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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Anglesey => Topic started by: hiraeth on Wednesday 14 March 07 05:58 GMT (UK)
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Am trying to find more information about my Williams family from Penrhosllugwy. This is what I have so far:
from 1841/51/61 censuses BrynyFelin Penrhosllugwy:
Rowland Williams, labourer, born Penrhosllugwy about 1798 - died bet. 1841 & 1851
wife Elizabeth Williams, born Coedana about 1798. Married secondly ?? EVANS and re-widowed between 1851 & 1861, where she lists occupation as seamstress.
children Jane (born c 1826) , Rowland (c1830), Margaret (c1833), Elizabeth (c1835), Ellin (c1837), Mary (c1841) all born Penrhosllugwy There could also have been older children who left home by 1841??
from 1861/1871 census Penrhosllugwy:
Son Rowland Williams born 1830, occ. quarryman, married Margaret ?? (born c1828)
children John (c1850) Rowland (c1852) William (c1855), Owen (c1858) Hugh (c1860) Elizabeth (c1863) Catherine (c1866) Henry (c1869) all born Penrhosllugwy.
from 1881/91/01 census Ty cefn Llanallgo
Grandson Owen Williams born 1858, occ. labourer/quarryman/miner, married to Anne ??(c1859)
son John R. (c1880) Owen (c1882) Edward (c1886) Hugh (c1888) Henry (c1890) Evan (c1894) William (c1896) Annie (c1898) Thomas (c1901) all born Llanallgo
Still researching 1881/91/1901 censuses for the rest, other than daughter Margaret, my g/g- grandmother, born 1833, married William OWEN, Bangor 1858. They lived out their lives in Llanddeiniolen but that is another story for another board! ;D
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I too am tracing Rowland Williams family of Penrhoslligwy. I have same census info as you up to 1881 and then I follow Hugh Williams b 1861 son of Rowland and Margaret Williams. It would appear that Rowland Williams b 1831 (my g.g-grandfather) was a brother to Margaret b 1833 (your g.g-grandmother). You mention Owen Williams b 1858 - he was a brother to Hugh. After marriage Hugh and family lived in Llanallgo. I am having difficulty tracing burials.
Can you enlighten me?
janeanne
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Hi Janeanne :)
Thank you for responding to my post. It's nice to "meet" you and welcome to rootschat ;D
It's been a while since I look at this family so I'll look up my information ASAP. Am pretty sure I don't have much though :( What I do have somewhere on my computer is the birth registration of Margaret Williams' daughter Ellin in 1858. Ellin was my great grandmother and her birth was registered by her grandmother Elizabeth Evans and if I remember correctly I think she signed the register :) According to the 1911 census Ellin had fourteen children. She died in Tregarth in 1943. Quite a lady ;D
I'll send you a personal message with my email, but I think you need to make a couple of additional posts before you can respond by PM.
Heather
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her birth was registered by her grandmother Elizabeth Evans and if I remember correctly I think she signed the register :)
Hi Janeanne
Have found the image. Unfortunately I was wrong - Elizabeth just made her mark as Elizabeth Williams, Occupier, Bryn Felin, Penrhoslligwy. All a bit of a mystery. Ellin was born April 12, 1858. Elizabeth registered her birth on May 19, 1858 and Margaret Williams, spinster, married William Owen (after BANNS) at the Bangor Cathedral Church on May 22, 1858. William brought up Ellin as his daughter. If she was his biological daughter there was more than enough time to at least be registered as her father but apparently not - another puzzle to add to the pile LOL!
Heather
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Hi Heather
Sorry for delay in replying (internet problems). This family history is quite a tangled web!! As mentioned before your g/g/grandmother Margaret b.1833 was a sister to my g/g/grandfather Rowland b. 1831. Margaret's daughter Ellin (your g/grandmother) was a cousin to Hugh (my g/grandfather). Hugh married Elizabeth Jones b. Bethesda 1861. Their children were Hugh b. 1885 Bethesda, Margaret b.1892 Llanallgo, Thomas b.1895 Llanallgo (he died 22.1.1907 aged 11) and Ann or Annie who was my grandmother. It looks as though she was a cousin to Henry b.1890 son of Owen Williams (brother of Hugh). Annie had one daughter Margaret Beryl who was my mother. I do not know who your parents and grandparents were but it looks as though we are cousins 4 times removed!!
After marriage Hugh and Elizabeth lived at various addresses in Llanallgo - I believe at least until the early 1920's. I cannot find any trace of either deaths. I did not know that my grandmother had any brothers or sisters so don't know anything about them.
You mention Owen b.1858 brother of Hugh (my g/grandfather) living at Ty Cefn, Llanallgo. Do you know whether this still exists or where it would have been? Do you know anything about Henry b.1890 son of Owen Williams. I feel there could be a connection with Moelfre.
I have further bits of info but its all a bit confusing as we come down different branches of the tree. Hope you can make some sense of this.
Janeanne
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Hi janeanne
I spent some time yesterday on a reply to your last post then pressed the wrong key and the whole thing disappeared >:( >:( AAARGH!! Sorry - will try again in a day or two ;)
Heather
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Hi Heather,
Look forward to that.
Janeanne
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Hi janeanne
I've been studying the old maps website, trying to get my bearings and check names on the map with the pages on the 1881 census for Llanallgo which included Moelfre according to the enumerator of District 8. Llanallgo is 1.4 miles SE of Penrhos and about the same distance SW of Moelfre.
Ty Cefn appears next to a Brynmor House on the census but cant see it :(.
Sadly I have no Welsh and have never even visited Anglesey so I'm afraid am not much help with geography.
Your mention of Elizabeth Jones c1861 caught my eye as I thought there might be a connection through Ellin Owen. She married my great grandfather John David Jones in 1878 but at that time the family were in Rhiwlas Llanddeiniolen and did not move to Tregarth until several decades later so it is doubtful there was a connection there.
Your Hugh is listed as a stonemason. Perhaps they met when he visited the Penrhyn Quarry!
Do you have your Rowland (1831) baptism? Someone checked the Penrhos baptisms for Margaret Williams for me but she wasn't there c1835.
I would like to learn more about Rowland Williams senior but it was such a common name around that time. Do you have his marriage to Elizabeth at Coedana from the IGI?
Margaret Williams Owen is buried at Pentir St. Cedol with her husband William Owen and one of their sons - also a William. Margaret died July 1, 1900.
all for now
Heather
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Hi Heather
Just to let you know I prepared a reply but internet connection lost as I was sending it. Will try again when signal better.
Janeanne
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Hi Heather
After losing everything last week I hope I can piece things together again. I am working on both sides of the family which takes in Anglesey, Caerns. and Denbs. so can be a bit mind boggling at times!
Here are some marriages for you:-
Parish of Coedana 31st March 1823 Rowland Williams of Penrhoslligwy, singleman and Elizabeth Evans of Coedana, singlewoman married by banns both marked X in the presence of John Evans and William Evans.
At the church in the Parish of Llanallgo 2nd February 1849 Rowland Williams, (my g.g.grandfather, brother of your g.g.grandmother Margaret) bachelor (father Rowland W. labourer) of Caeeithin, Llanallgo in the presence of Thomas Parr and William Jones.
Hugh W married Elizabeth Jones 6th September 1886 both single at Church of Glanogwen,Llanllechid (residence of both given as 11 Twr, Bethesda.
Your g.grandmother Ellin would have been a cousin to Hugh (husband of Elizabeth Jones).
Now some baptisms:-
John b.1850 son of Rowland and Margaret W. Ty Newydd 2nd June 1852; Rowland b.1852 7th October 1852; William 12th August 1855; Elizabeth 2nd December 1863 (Brynfelin); Catherine 28th November 1865 (Ty Newydd).
All this was found with much searching at the Anglesey Record Office. We stayed in Anglesey for a couple of days and hope to return perhaps next year.
Unfortunately I have hit a brick wall trying to find death and burial details of g.grandparents Hugh and Elizabeth Williams. I would love to have some help.
Who were your grandparents and where did they live? I would be interested to hear. Mine lived on the Wirral. They had both moved to the area for work, met and married and stayed.
Hope you can unravel this lot and it helps your search.
Janeanne.
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Hello janeanne :)
Thank you VERY much for posting all the information.
This is what I have on Margaret Williams & her descendants
Marriage to William Owen May 22, 1858 at Bangor Cathedral Church after banns
Ellen (Williams) Owen Apr 12, 1858 Penrhos died of a stroke age 85, Dec 8, 1943 8 Tan Rhiw Road, Tregarth
John Owen c1860
Griffith Owen c1864
William Owen c1867-1889
Hugh Owen c1869
Elizabeth Owen c1874
Margaret Owen died of Pertussis July 1, 1900 at Penbonc, Rhiwlas, Llanddeiniolen
William Owen died August 20, 1913 at Tregarth
The family appear on these censuses
1861 Upper Bethesda, Llanllechid ref RG9/4354/56/6
1871 Rhiwlas, Llanddeiniolen ref RG10/5717/45/14
1881 Rhiwlas, Llanddeiniolen ref RG11/5566/143/18
1891 4 Pen y bonc, Rhiwlas, Llanddeiniolen ref RG12/4658/ 95/10
1901 Bryn Teg Terrace, Llanddeiniolen ref RG13/5271/60/9 (William & dau Elizabeth)
1911 William is with Ellen and her family at 8 Tan Rhiw, Tregarth. He is still working as a Quarryman, age 81.
Ellen Owen married John David Jones Jan 4, 1878 at the Caernarfon Registry Office
According to the 1911 census she had 14 children, 9 were still living in 1911 – following are the ones I know of – not sure which one had died by 1911.
Margaret Ann Jones c1879 – apparently married in south Wales c 1901 – can’t find her. My father remembered regular contact with the family in South Wales in the 20s and 30s.
David J Jones c1881
William J Jones c1883
John “Cefni” Jones my grandfather born March 30, 1885 at Garreg Gaeth, Rhiwlas died Dec 23, 1950 at Tregarth
Arthur Jones c1886
Anne Jones c1890
Ellen (Nell) Jones c1893
Eliza (Lizzie) Jones c1899
Annie Jones c1900
Idwen Jones c1902 –1989?
My Dad John Owen Jones was born in Tregarth 1910. He died age 95 in 2005 here in Vancouver
This is the only pic I have of my grandfather John Cefni
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Hi Heather
I'm afraid I haven't done any more research lately but found your info interesting although doesn't really help my search. It is strange that I am looking at my mother's side and they strayed from Anglesey to various parts and yours to the Tregarth area which is close to my father's birthplace of St. Anns, Bethesda. They may have known each other. I do wonder how much inter marriage went on!!
I hope we will be able to go to Anglesey next spring for some more searching. If I find anything new
I will let you know.
Bye for now
Janeanne
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How interesting! Rowland Williams, born circa 1797, is my maternal 3rd great grandfather. Rowland and Elizabeth's son, Rowland, born 1830, married Margaret Williams, at Llanallgo in 1849. Their son Hugh, married Elizabeth Jones, in 1885. Hugh and Margaret's daughter Margaret, is my grandmother. Hugh and Elizabeth were living, at the time of the 1911 census, at the chapel house, Llanallgo. Please see the attachment.
With kind regards
Iorwerth
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Thought you might be interested in the following:
Memorial Inscriptions Penrhoslligwy
Children of Hugh and Elizabeth Williams, Llanallgo
Thomas, annwly blentyn Hugh and Elizabeth Williams, Ty Capel, Llanallgo, yr hwn a hunodd yn yr Iesu, Ionawr 22, 1907, yn 12 mlwydd oed. “Gwywodd y glas welltyn a’I flodeun a syrthiodd.”
Er Serchog Gof Am Margaret Williams, annwly briod Rowland Williams, Eugrad Terrace, Marian Glas, yr hon a hunodd yn yr Iesu Gorphenaf 2, 1926, yn 33 mlwydd oed. “Gwyliwch gan hynny am na wyddoch na’r dydd na’r awr y daw Mab y Dyn.” y glas welltyn a’I flodeun a syrthiodd.”
Still searching MI inscription transcripts for Hugh and Elizabeth Williams.
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My goodness, it is a small world. Margaret and Selwyn are my mum and dad. Sadly, they passed away a number of years ago. I am Edward, and Jennifer is my sister. My mother’s sister Elsie, married Norman Woollett, who served in the Metropolitan Police Force. My mother’s other sister Gwyneth, lived with her husband Cecil, and family at Hastings. Thank you very much for the info on my grandmother Margaret, in the 1911 census. Do you by any chance have an account with Ancestry.co.uk? If not, I might have a problem sending you a link to my mother’s ancestral chart. If you would like to e-mail me, the address is: abergele1754@hotmail.co.uk.
With kind regards and best wishes
Edward
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I've been in touch with my sister Jennifer, and she has promised to look through the old family photographs. If she finds anything of interest, she'll let me know, and I in turn will let you know. I seem to remember seeing a photo of Elizabeth Williams nee Jones, our great grandmother, with her daughter Margaret, your grandaunt, my grandmother. Also, I have found in the national archives Hugh Williams' first world war service record. That is Hugh, our granduncle. I don't know if you are aware of this, but Elsie's daughter Elizabeth, is a renowned opera singer. I attach the web link.
http://www.roh.org.uk/people/elizabeth-woollett
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Margaret Williams my maternal grandmother, your grandaunt.