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Title: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: johnP-bedford on Friday 16 March 07 08:10 GMT (UK)
Morning,   On 4th Feb 1746 Mark Partridge married Elizabeth Headland at Sharnbrook.  I assume she died (don't know when) as when Mark later married Elizabeth Smith in 7th May 1756 he is down as a widower. From this latter pair was born my 3xGT grandfather Thomas P in 1757.

I'd like to know Elizabeth Headland's parents & if she had any siblings, as in the mid 1800's the Headland name reappears in my family tree. They may be from Souldrop rather than/as well as Sharnbrook.   

Thanks John

Title: Re: Elizabeth Headland's family - Sharnbrook
Post by: bedfordshire boy on Friday 16 March 07 08:17 GMT (UK)
Bon jour John

An Elizabeth Partridge was buried at Sharnbrook on 25 Feb 1751

All the best

David
Title: Re: Elizabeth Headland's family - Sharnbrook
Post by: bedfordshire boy on Friday 16 March 07 08:34 GMT (UK)
John

As I'm sure you've seen, there are only two baptisms on the IGI in Beds that would fit with a 1746 marriage - 1715 in Sharnbrook and 1726 in Souldrop. There's a burial on 4 Oct 1715 at Sharnbrook of an Elizabeth Headland which may well be the 30 Sept 1715 baptism, so I'd plump for your's being 6 Nov 1726 dau of Thomas and Dorothy. It fits with Mark's age too.

Regards

David
Title: Re: Elizabeth Headland's family - Sharnbrook
Post by: johnP-bedford on Friday 16 March 07 08:45 GMT (UK)
Thanks David, I will pursue that line - I meant to say, I found baptism of Mark on 5th Sept 1725 at Sharnbrook, so I'm expecting Elizabeth to done about that same year (+/- a few).

Regards

John  (better get off to work !)
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook
Post by: johnP-bedford on Saturday 17 March 07 12:11 GMT (UK)
David,

Just checking Sharnbrook PR. the Elizabeth Partridge who was buried 25/Feb/1751 was the wife of Francis Partridge who I believe are Mark's parents. Francis then gets buried 28/Jun/1764.

The Elizabeth Headland buried 4/Oct/1715 is indeed daughter of John & Ann - as named as her parents on the baptism.

Other children of Thomas & Dorothy Headland baptised at Souldrop
Mary      28/Jan/1722
Thomas 21/June/1724   died ? ? ?     
Thomas  9/Feb/1729
Martha   1/Mar/1730
Sarah   17/June/1733

Thomas married Dorothy Johnson at Souldrop 30/Sept/1717

All my other links to Headland names seem to start from William Headland born 1730 who married Elizabeth Allen.

Regards

John
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook
Post by: lisasteve34 on Wednesday 09 May 07 19:35 BST (UK)
Hi there,
Elizabeth Headland Daughter of Thomas Headland and Dorothy Johnson was the sister to my Great Grandfather x 6 William Headland (1740)
I have details of their siblings, Ancestors and descendants. My maiden name was Headland
I'll be glad to help
regards
Lisa
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook
Post by: johnP-bedford on Wednesday 09 May 07 20:34 BST (UK)
Hello Lisa & welcome to RootsChat

I think we have 'met' on Genes Reunited, & we have access to each others trees. Anyway do you have info on Elizabeth marrying to Partridge family, or any of your Headlands linking to the Whitall family of Sharnbrook ?

Regards John
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook
Post by: lisasteve34 on Wednesday 09 May 07 21:30 BST (UK)
I Have William Headland  1829 Odell marrying a Mary Partridge (possibly, or could have been Felts, or Robinson. But i think it was Partridge)
thats all i have. i don't have Elizabeths husband
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook
Post by: johnP-bedford on Wednesday 09 May 07 22:08 BST (UK)
Lisa,   Tracked a marriage of William Headland to a Mary Felts at Odell on 31 OCT 1850 .  Mary Partridge married William Westley on 29 NOV 1850 at Odell.  Also on 29 NOV 1850 at Odell marriage of Mary Robinson to William Wells.
All 3 marriages confirmed on IGI & all names appear on same marriage index Bedford RD Dec 1850 vol 6 page 79

Regards John
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook
Post by: lisasteve34 on Wednesday 09 May 07 22:13 BST (UK)
Thanks John thats great
one mystery solved
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook
Post by: lisasteve34 on Wednesday 09 May 07 22:16 BST (UK)
Just realised that i have been talking to you twice, once on my request and once on yours for Elizabeth. So when we met at the show, we actually are related and didn't know it? or am i completly off tract here?
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook
Post by: johnP-bedford on Wednesday 09 May 07 22:32 BST (UK)
Lisa, Yep You've replied on my topic, this one; & I've replied to yours, plus the one about Peartree cottage;  & I don't know yet if we are related.   I'm usually the one off tract, or off tangent anyway. Cheers John
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook
Post by: lisasteve34 on Wednesday 09 May 07 22:34 BST (UK)
Well i do have an Elizabeth Headland  *no husband details* with the dates that you have. Wouldn't that be funny if we were!
keep me updated
regards
Lisa
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: johnP-bedford on Wednesday 16 May 07 21:20 BST (UK)
This is all at Souldrop, unless otherwise stated.

William Headland son of Thomas (& assumed Dorothy) Headland baptised on 13 Dec 1719, I have being buried on 30 Dec 1720.

Later there is a marriage of William Headland (widower) to Eliz Evans on 6 Jan 1772.  This is after burial of Eliz wife of William Headland on 20 Aug 1771.

There are baptisms of John 1755, William 1758, Simon 1768, & Thomas 1773, all sons of William & Eliz Headland.

Burial of William Headland on Oct 16 1812 (in PR states 'father of Simon & Thomas')

Question 1.  Is there another William Headland born in Souldrop to Thomas & Dorothy that could be the one who married the two Elizabeths ?

Question 2. Who & where is the Elizabeth he married first ?

Question 3. Is there an age on the burial of William in 1812 ?

Cheers John 
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: lisasteve34 on Wednesday 16 May 07 22:41 BST (UK)
Hi John
I have the details of the other William he is my relative.
Born Abt. 1740
Souldrop
Died 16 Oct 1812

Married Elizabeth and Elizabeth Evans

Don't know where the first Elizabeth is and I guess form the birth and buriel he was 72.

hope that helps
Lisa
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: johnP-bedford on Wednesday 16 May 07 22:59 BST (UK)
Hello Lisa,  I was hoping to draw you into this. Is there a recorded baptism at Souldrop for William 1740 ?  What confused me, was that on your GR tree you have William b 1719.  I have Souldrop PRs if you want anything checking.

Got to go, there's a plane to catch in the morning.  Keep watching this space.

Regards John   
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: lisasteve34 on Sunday 29 July 07 19:45 BST (UK)
Hi John,
I have been going back over the details of Elizabeth and William with another relative and we too are also confused.
 what i know for sure from the bedford records is that Thomas Hadland baptised 1773 had parents William Headland  and Elizabeth Evans and a sister  Dorothy 1776. William was a widower when he married Elizabeth Evans (his first wife was also Elizabeth and they had children John, William and Simon.....is this your Elizabeth Allen, who was his first wife?,She died about 1771). 

What We can't find is a record of the the marriage to the first Elizabeth or Williams Baptism.

Via One World Tree i found the information that said that this William's parent were Thomas Hadland and Dorothy Johnson However!

My relative bought the parish records books and she has the information of Thomas Hadland and Dorothy Johnson as having

William 1719  died 1720
Mary 1722
Thomas 1724
Elizabeth 1726
Thomas 1729
Martha 1730
Sarah 1733

But there is no 2nd william born around 1730.  However i have found a William born 13 oct 1729 Carlton, Bedfordshire to a Joseph Hadland and Elizabeth. Is this him?

Although The details I have for William have him with a daughter Dorothy (sister to Thomas : Above) is this a family name carried on?

have you got any closer to finding William's parents yet?

Hope this all makes sense?
regards
Lisa

Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: cathymcc on Thursday 02 August 07 23:10 BST (UK)
Thomas HEADLAND, labourer, was Souldrop parish clerk in 1803...Simon HEADLAND is also listed on Defence Muster at Souldrop...so they were under 55 at least.

There is an interesting William HEADLAND entry on the Bedford Gaol page too  ;D

cathy

Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: johnP-bedford on Friday 03 August 07 23:38 BST (UK)
Hello Lisa,   I have seen your posting/query. I am in Canada at the moment so I will check your information when I get back on the 13th.     Regards John
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: johnP-bedford on Wednesday 15 August 07 18:42 BST (UK)
Hello Lisa,  Been reviewing your information. I also have the Souldrop parish records. Note there was a period (1796-1800) when Souldrop church was in 'so ruinous a condition' that people had baptisms/marriages in Knotting church.

I believe the Elizabeth Headland, b 1726 daughter of Thomas Headland & Dorothy Johnson, so be first wife of my gt-gt-gt-gt-granfather Mark Partridge, married in Sharnbrook 4/2/1746 & buried 1751 possibly. My line comes from his 2nd wife Elizabeth White he married in 1756.

William Headland (whose 2nd wife was Elizabeth Evans) married first Elizabeth Allen. There is an Odell marriage on 29/3/1752 of William HADLEN to Eliz Allen, & that ties in with their children John 1755, William 1759 & Simon 1768. She died in 1771. 

The Simon first married Alice Abbott, & then Sarah Bromley, they had a set of children including Thomas b 1814 who married into the Whittall family, where other members marry into my Partridge family.

Regards John
 
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: johnP-bedford on Friday 17 August 07 14:00 BST (UK)
Lisa,    Just reviewing info from Headland family trees I have access to on Genes Reunited. Someone has recorded that William Headland b 1768 Souldrop who married Elizabeth Allen at Odell on 29/03/1752.  William's parents are down as John Headland b 1694 Sharnbrook & Douglass Little 1692 Stevington, who married 30/11/1725 Sharnbrook.  John died 1730.

I am not sure if it is right. I have been caught out before assuming these people's trees were correct. 

Regards John
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: lisasteve34 on Tuesday 16 October 07 21:23 BST (UK)
Hi there, sorry it's been a while. I have just caught up on your last posts. So are we saying that William who married the two Elizabeths. His parents were Thomas and Dorothy? Also don't suppose you can find Either John Thomas Headland born 1844 or Mary Ann Bailey/ Headland 1847 in the 1861 census.Both of bedfordshire. I can't find them anywhere. They married around that time
regards
Lisa
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: marylou on Tuesday 16 October 07 22:20 BST (UK)
Hello lisa.............been a while since we spoke.
Have you any more info on the Elizabeth Smith you mentioned at the start of this thread ? Just wondering if there was a possible link to any of my Smiths in the Knotting area.
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: johnP-bedford on Tuesday 16 October 07 22:45 BST (UK)
1861 census, High St Harrold Beds

RG9/987 Folio: 21 Page: 9

Mary Ann Bailey, Niece, age 13, born Harroild ; lace maker
George Thew, head, age 32, unmarried, born Harrold ; Shoemaker
Charles Thew, brother, age 21, unmarried, born Harrold ; Shoemaker

Thomas Headland married Mary Ann Bailey, Bedford RD vol 3b page 705 in Dec 1870
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: lisasteve34 on Tuesday 16 October 07 23:20 BST (UK)
Thanks that's great. I don't know what i do to miss things. I check on my family tree maker and by Ancestry.com! I always seem to miss one census. Must be my eyes.
I think i have some names connected to Whittal. I will check my files an let you know. Have we agreed on the Headland link?
Regards
Lisa
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: johnP-bedford on Wednesday 17 October 07 07:33 BST (UK)
Lisa,

There is a John Headland b 1841 Souldrop who is son of Thomas Headland & Leannah Whittall, who married in Sharnbrook on 6/11/1835.  They are in my tree. This John married Eliza Holt, & in 1871 were living in Heywood, Lancashire. Lehannah's sister Sarah married John Partridge of Oakley. 

& I also have the John Thomas Headland 1845 Odell who married Mary Bailey. I have it that he is son on Ann Headland chr 1800  Souldrop, I do not have the father's name. Ann is another sister of Sarah & Lehannah. These are all children of Simon Headland & Sarah Bromley who married 26/09/1792 ar Riseley.

Thomas & Mary had children, Charles 1872 , Minnie 1875, Charlotte 1877 & Thomas 1879

Regards John
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: lisasteve34 on Wednesday 17 October 07 14:22 BST (UK)
Thnaks for that, John Thomas was actually the son of Mary Headland, Sister to William and John Headland. His father is not named but she was to marry A John PArish Perkins that same year he was born.
regards
Lisa
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: johnP-bedford on Wednesday 17 October 07 18:58 BST (UK)
Lisa,   Yes I need to review this, I was quickly looking through my tree this morning & saw I have recorded a Mare Ann Bailey married to John Thomas Headland, with his mother being Ann. Then I was reading though some notes, probably taken from your tree, that his mother was Mary & banns had been read in March 1844 for her marriage to John Parish Perkins.

I am going to see where the information of his mother being Ann, came from.

Cheers John   
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: lisasteve34 on Sunday 23 March 08 18:05 GMT (UK)
William Headland b 1768 Souldrop who married Elizabeth Allen at Odell on 29/03/1752.  William's parents are down as John Headland b 1694 Sharnbrook & Douglass Little 1692 Stevington, who married 30/11/1725 Sharnbrook.  John died 1730.

I am not sure if it is right. I have been caught out before assuming these people's trees were correct. 


Hi John in regards to this quite posted a while ago, this is wrong, William's age is wrong the lastest he was born was around 1729. Take a look they have him born 1768 and married 16 years earlier in 1752
still looking for the William Headland baptism. The one who died in 1720 isn't on igi so may be false information and This is the William all along.
regards
Lisa
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: johnP-bedford on Sunday 23 March 08 19:15 GMT (UK)
Lisa, I agree the year of William's birth is incorrect, & I now have him born circa 1730, but I do not know who his parents are.  The Odell marriage is true, however he is recorded with the name Hadlen, & the PR states both William & Elizabeth came from Souldrop.
 
.....  Regards John 

by the way I had a letter recently from a Jean Williams of Loughborough via a member interests entry in the Beds FHS journal, her maiden name was Headland & her line is from the Thomas H & Dorothy Johnson family. Do you know of her ?
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: lisasteve34 on Sunday 23 March 08 21:55 GMT (UK)
No i don't know her. Did she have much to help you? Which child did she come from. So were no closer to making William, thomas and Dorothy's son?
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: johnP-bedford on Monday 24 March 08 10:32 GMT (UK)
No, I don't know her details, we are corresponding by old fasioned pen & paper & I only responded last week.   I'll let you know if anything is relevant.
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: johnP-bedford on Wednesday 02 April 08 23:10 BST (UK)
Lisa,     This lady's line is from William Headland who married Elizabeth Allen & then Elizabeth Evans; through their son Simon Headland 1768 who married Alice Abbott & then & Sarah Bromley; through their son John 1802  who married Ann Knight; through their son Thomas 1827 who married Elizabeth Woods; through their son John William 1856 who married Jane Smith; through their son Albert Henry 1892 who married Miriam Payne.

They have the William Headland chr 1726 Sharnbrook being son of John Headland & Dugliss Little who married 1725; previously John married Ann Dennis in 1714.

regards John
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: johnP-bedford on Thursday 03 April 08 07:51 BST (UK)
Have you any more info on the Elizabeth Smith you mentioned at the start of this thread ? Just wondering if there was a possible link to any of my Smiths in the Knotting area.

Hello Mary Lou; Just picked up on this.....

Elizabeth Smith's baptism on 2/Feb/1726 Sharnbrook has parents William & <blank> Smith. The IGI has member submitted entries that suggest these were William Smith & Elizabeth Harper who married 26/Jan/1721 at Elstow; with first child Mary chr Elstow 25/12/1722. I would want to check Elstow PR first before I will accept this. However the same member entry has children William 6/2/1729, John 24/4/1737 & Matthias 3/1/1742 all christened Sharnbrook, which are in the PR so there is some element of truth.  As to if these link to your Knotting family I do not know.

.... regards John 
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: lisasteve34 on Thursday 03 April 08 07:52 BST (UK)
Son the William that we thought may be Dorothy and Thomas is actually the son of John and Doudlis. however when someone else mentioned it the birth date was wrong

William Headland b 1768 Souldrop who married Elizabeth Allen at Odell on 29/03/1752. William's parents are down as John Headland b 1694 Sharnbrook & Douglass Little 1692 Stevington, who married 30/11/1725 Sharnbrook. John died 1730.

I am not sure if it is right. I have been caught out before assuming these people's trees were correct.


Hi John in regards to this quite posted a while ago, this is wrong, William's age is wrong the lastest he was born was around 1729. Take a look they have him born 1768 and married 16 years earlier in 1752

I'll check IGI and see if i can find it
Regards Lisa

p.s Are you at the show this year?
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: lisasteve34 on Thursday 03 April 08 08:04 BST (UK)
I Have just fround on IGI  William Hedland B: 13 Dec 1719, Souldrop Beds. Son onf Thomas and Dorothy. Death 16th October 1812. Is this him? Also same dates and his marriage to Elizabeth Evans.

The William Hedland born to John and Duglass is born 1726 and Sharnbrook. This is not him as i have records that he was from Souldrop. Non of ours came from Sharnbrook. Think she may have it wrong.
How reliable is IGI?. It has all the other facts correct so would be odd to have that one date wrong
regards
Lisa
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: lisasteve34 on Thursday 03 April 08 08:05 BST (UK)


p.s maybe Dorothy had twins, one died when born (william) so she named the other WIlliam? Wild guess maybe!!!!
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: deeiluka on Thursday 03 April 08 08:21 BST (UK)
Have just read through this thread with interest.
A Hepzibah Headland born  c 1806 in Sharnbrook married my ggg-grandfather Daniel Edwards 25th Dec 1849 in Sharnbrook I believe.

Does anyone have any idea of her parents?

......dee
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: johnP-bedford on Thursday 03 April 08 08:47 BST (UK)
Morning Dee, 

This could be Ephzibah Headland, chr 24 May 1807 at Souldrop, daughter of Simon & Sarah Headland.  I also have Edwards of Sharnbrook married into my Partridge family tree, I'll see if your Daniel links to them.

But really I must get off to do the day job, catch up later.

regards John
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: deeiluka on Thursday 03 April 08 09:21 BST (UK)
Thanks for that, John!  :D

Hepzibah was Daniel's second wife....they had one daughter Susannah. Daniel's first wife was an Elizabeth Rate, about whom I know very little.

Daniel was the son of Thomas Edwards and Rose Holliday/Holiday. Thomas had a brother William whose grandson William married a Lahannah Partridge 11th Oct 1858.

I don't want to hijack this thread though.......  :-\

.....dee
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: johnP-bedford on Thursday 03 April 08 21:41 BST (UK)
Lisa;  The IGI member submitted records should not be relied on unless verified by the parish records. The William Headland who was chr 13/12/1719 Souldrop is just recorded as the son of Thomas Headland. The burial on 16 Oct 1812 states in the Souldrop PR he is father of Simon & Thomas. His marriage to Elizabeth Evans at Souldrop is on 6 Jan 1772, not 6/1/1732 as the member sumbission suggests. So in answer to your question - the IGI is not reliable if they are member submissions.

Regards John.

& yes I will be at the WDYTYA show at Olympia on Sat May 3rd, most likely on the Beds FHS stand most of the day.
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: lisasteve34 on Thursday 03 April 08 22:19 BST (UK)
Thanks John,
I actually have printed off a sheet and the details are down as Christned 13 dec 1719, Souldrop, Death 16 OCt 1812. SOn of Thomas Hedlandand Dorothy Johnson
Married Elizabeth Evams/Evins 6th jan 1772, Souldrop Bedford. There are Disc and pin numbers. How can you tell the infor is back by parish records. Where does it indicate this?
Many thanks
Lisa
xxxx
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: johnP-bedford on Thursday 03 April 08 23:23 BST (UK)
Hello Dee,   I have Lehannah Partridge, 1834 daughter of Charles Partridge & Catherine Whitall in my tree. Charles P 1805 was brother to Richard P 1792 both born Bletsoe. Richard is my gt-gt-granddfather.  I have her husband William Edwards 1830 being son of William E & Mary Betts who married in Souldrop in 1814.

regards John
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: deeiluka on Thursday 03 April 08 23:36 BST (UK)
Thanks John.
Yes, all the details of the Edwards you have match what I have.

It's good to know a little more about Lehannah Partridge though.

I also have a Sophia Partridge, father James, born Irchester about 1822. Is she known to you?

.....dee
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: johnP-bedford on Friday 04 April 08 06:39 BST (UK)
hello Dee, 

I have researched a few Partridge families from Bozeat, Wollaston, etc... but not yet found a link to my lot. However James & daughter Sophia are mentioned on this thread. They were in Newton Blossomville on 1841 census.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,224309.0.html

regards John
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 04 April 08 06:53 BST (UK)
Many thanks, John. That's very helpful.  :D

.....dee
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: bedfordshire boy on Friday 04 April 08 09:29 BST (UK)
Lisa

What you have printed appears to be a page from the Pedigree Resource File on the LDS site, not from the IGI. Pedigree Resource File and Ancestral File entries are submitted by researchers (exactly the same as looking at a tree on GenesReunited) and vary in quality from well researched to pure fiction. Member submissions on the IGI are the same. Not to be trusted. To be used as a guide only, with everything checked against the parish register.

On the IGI you can tell if it's an extracted entry, ie taken from the parish register/Bishop's transcript by looking at the Messages section on the IGI Individual Record page. It should say "Extracted birth or christening record for locality listed in the record". They're reliable.  If it says "Form submitted by a member of the LDS Church" be warned!

David
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: johnP-bedford on Friday 04 April 08 14:18 BST (UK)
Dee,    Daniel Edwards in fact married Hephzibah Bailey in 1849 at Knotting, so Hephzibah Headland married someone Bailey prior to that.

also see this thread

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,271198.msg1552662.html#msg1552662

     
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 05 April 08 10:41 BST (UK)
Thanks for that, John. I originally had Daniel as possibly marrying Hepzibah Bailey, but hadn't seen the record to verify it. Someone else searching the family went to the Records Office and then sent me the Headland information......  ???

She's well hidden in the 1841 census......looks like my task for tomorrow to hunt her down.  ;D

The Temperance Edwards who married John Bailey as mentioned on the linked thread is also part of my tree.

.....dee

Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: lisasteve34 on Saturday 05 April 08 11:21 BST (UK)

On the IGI you can tell if it's an extracted entry, ie taken from the parish register/Bishop's transcript by looking at the Messages section on the IGI Individual Record page. It should say "Extracted birth or christening record for locality listed in the record". They're reliable.  If it says "Form submitted by a member of the LDS Church" be warned!

David

Thanks for that one! looks like i have more hunting to do

regards
Lisa
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: johnP-bedford on Saturday 05 April 08 12:17 BST (UK)
...... continuing on the Elizabeth Smith tangent of this dialogue; her parents did in fact marry in Elstow on 26 Jan 1722, William Smith of Sharnbrook to Elizabeth Harper of Elstow.  Elizabeth Harper daughter of Matthew & Elizabeth Harper, baptised Elstow 7 June 1702   
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: Mvann on Saturday 25 February 17 16:08 GMT (UK)
Hi all

I know this is an old thread, but I was interested as I have traced my line back to Thomas headland and Dorothy Johnson. With regards to William headland baptised 1719, there is a burial in 1720 in englands death and burial records on family search. I have just started looking at the Elizabeth headland that married mark partridge as there is a Elizabeth hadland marriage a few years later at souldrop. This was to a jos goodman.

My line comes from the Thomas headland and Hannah curry marriage and have followed the line into Northants then to Huntingdonshire and back to Northants again.

Regards

Jon
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: johnP-bedford on Monday 27 February 17 10:44 GMT (UK)
Hello Jon

William son of Thomas Headland was baptised 13 Dec 1719 at Souldrop, this does not name mother as Dorothy although all subsequent childrens' baptisms do. This William, son of Thomas & Dorothy Headland was buried at Souldrop on 30 Dec 1720.

Mark Partridge married Elizabeth HEDLAND on 5 Feb 1746-47 at Sharnbrook. Subsequently as a widower, Mark Partridge married Elizabeth Smith at Sharnbrook on 7 May 1756. Brother assumed? Richard Partridge was a witness. I've not found a death/burial of Elizabeth Partridge prior to that second marriage. All children baptised to Mark & Elizabeth Partridge are dated after 1756.

I've taken it that Mark's first wife was Elizabeth, daughter of Thomas & Dorothy Headland baptised Souldrop on 6 Nov 1726 - on the basis that there are no other likely candidates. The Elizabeth Headland daughter of John & Ann, baptised at Sharnbrook on 30 Sept 1715 was promptly buried there on 4 Oct 1715. Now that there's a marriage of Elizabeth HADLAND to Joseph Goodman at Souldrop on 16 Sept 1750 leads me to question the Mark Partridge marriage. However I have no proof either way as to who she was?

You say you descend from Thomas & Dorothy, via Thomas Hedland & Hannah Curry who married at Melchbourne on 6 Oct 1755 where the PR says he was from Newton Bromswold. Have you any evidence that he is the Thomas baptised on 9 Feb 1729 at Souldrop.

Cheers John
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: Mvann on Monday 27 February 17 12:21 GMT (UK)
Hi John

I'm not near my records so will have to get back to you on that. From memory the children from that marriage were all baptised in newton. Thomas and Hannah's marriage appear in both melchborne and newtons parish register but from memory the mention in newton are the bahns.

I have come across marriages before that say of this parish when they weren't actually born there. Not sure of how long you had to be of a parish before that came your parish rather than the parish you were born.

I will go and have a look at what I have and get back to you.

Regards

Jon
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: everlea on Monday 27 February 17 15:02 GMT (UK)
I hope you don't mind if I join in here, but I've reason to believe the Headlands from the Souldrop

area might be linked to my Headland ancestors but I've been unable to make the connection so far.

I'm looking for the origins of 4xg/grandfather Isaac Headland, b abt 1750.

Thanks - and apologies for the intrusion(!)
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: Mvann on Monday 27 February 17 17:37 GMT (UK)
Hi

I have seen records for Isaac, but I'll have to go back and have a look at what I was looking at
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: everlea on Monday 27 February 17 20:43 GMT (UK)
Thanks so much - that would be great. Isaac is my most stubborn brick wall.
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: Mvann on Tuesday 28 February 17 12:20 GMT (UK)
Hi Everlea

What information have you got for Isaac so far? On a General search for Isaac, the only births around that time are in Lincolnshire at either Welbourn in 1745 or Welton Le Wold in 1736.

Regards Jon
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: Mvann on Tuesday 28 February 17 12:59 GMT (UK)
Hello Jon

William son of Thomas Headland was baptised 13 Dec 1719 at Souldrop, this does not name mother as Dorothy although all subsequent childrens' baptisms do. This William, son of Thomas & Dorothy Headland was buried at Souldrop on 30 Dec 1720.

Mark Partridge married Elizabeth HEDLAND on 5 Feb 1746-47 at Sharnbrook. Subsequently as a widower, Mark Partridge married Elizabeth Smith at Sharnbrook on 7 May 1756. Brother assumed? Richard Partridge was a witness. I've not found a death/burial of Elizabeth Partridge prior to that second marriage. All children baptised to Mark & Elizabeth Partridge are dated after 1756.

I've taken it that Mark's first wife was Elizabeth, daughter of Thomas & Dorothy Headland baptised Souldrop on 6 Nov 1726 - on the basis that there are no other likely candidates. The Elizabeth Headland daughter of John & Ann, baptised at Sharnbrook on 30 Sept 1715 was promptly buried there on 4 Oct 1715. Now that there's a marriage of Elizabeth HADLAND to Joseph Goodman at Souldrop on 16 Sept 1750 leads me to question the Mark Partridge marriage. However I have no proof either way as to who she was?

You say you descend from Thomas & Dorothy, via Thomas Hedland & Hannah Curry who married at Melchbourne on 6 Oct 1755 where the PR says he was from Newton Bromswold. Have you any evidence that he is the Thomas baptised on 9 Feb 1729 at Souldrop.

Cheers John

Hi John

I haven't gone back through what I have as my mum has been visiting so been working on her side.

I have looked at the library today and searched for newton bromswold PRs. Both the transcript and the records on rushden heritage site have no records of headlands there before the bahns of Thomas and Hannah were read. I have also searched the bishops transcripts for Headland between 1715 and 1735. There are no Headlands, Hedlands or Hadlands in that part of Northamptonshire, only at floore or towcester. So Thomas wasn't born in Newton Bromswald. Searching the online records, over the same period only throws up the Thomas Headland at souldrop and, I think there may have been one in Lincolnshire and one in London. I will go back and look at the rest of the info I have though.

Regards

Jon
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: everlea on Tuesday 28 February 17 15:44 GMT (UK)
Hi Everlea

What information have you got for Isaac so far? On a General search for Isaac, the only births around that time are in Lincolnshire at either Welbourn in 1745 or Welton Le Wold in 1736.

Regards Jon

Hi Jon,

         Thanks for taking the trouble to look. I've no information at all about my Isaac before his

marriage in 1776 to Sarah Trenley at St George, Hanover Square, London. Sarah was from

Denham, Bucks & in 1792 he was working as a carpenter in nearby Uxbridge when he was

declared bankrupt & sent to Newgate Prison. In 1800 Sarah made a claim as a pauper, saying

Isaac had left their house off Tottenham Court Road, London, twelve months before but gives no

more details of his departure. That's the last trace of him as far as I can see.

I've been unable to rule out the two you mention, but neither have I been able to rule them in.

I've no proof he was born around 1750 - I just presumed he might have been as Sarah was b

1753.
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: johnP-bedford on Tuesday 28 February 17 16:34 GMT (UK)
Hello Jon,

Have you checked the Melchbourne marriage entry of 6 Oct 1755 for Thomas Headland & Hannah Curry, at the Beds Archives to see who the witnesses were; they may be family members.

It does state that Thomas was from Newton Bromswold which is just across the fields/county boundary from Melchbourne, where it assumes Hannah was from, although there's no evidence of her coming from there. However it is a bit of a way away from Souldrop. That being said Thomas & Hannah remain in Newton Bromswold & baptise 9 children there between 1756 & 1774, interestingly one is named Dorothy and another Thomas, so it is looking likely that there is a family connection. Thomas was buried there in Feb 1776 & Hannah in Nov 1809.

I have no idea where his father Thomas Headland came from. His marriage in 1717 is the earliest Headland name in Souldrop. Dorothy Johnson was baptised 27 Dec 1688 at Souldrop, daughter of William Johnson. William Johnson married Susan Coe at Souldrop on 19 Oct 1685 & Susan, wife of Wm Johnson was buried 15 Jun 1710.       

Cheers John
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: Mvann on Tuesday 28 February 17 23:14 GMT (UK)
Hi John

Thanks for that. It confirms what I already have to hand. I have read somewhere that Hannah curry was born in Huntingdonshire (can't remember wether it was st Ives or st Neots).

I know that the family has moved about a fair bit as Thomas and Hannah's son Joseph moved to bythorn then brington, then brigstock before ending up in islip.


Regards

Jon
Title: Re: Elizabeth HEADLAND's family - Sharnbrook/Souldrop
Post by: johnP-bedford on Thursday 09 March 17 11:57 GMT (UK)
After some thought I'm suggesting Hannah was daughter of Joseph & Sarah CORRIN, baptised at Melchbourne on 19 Oct 1735. Joseph & Sarah CURRIN also baptised Jane on 2/4/1738, Mary on 8/6/1740 & Sarah on 1/6/1745. As per Melchbourne registers Sarah CURRY married Thomas Robinson of Wymington on 12/4/1768 and Jane CURRY baptised her illegitimate daughter Barbara on 12/2/1764.

Sarah Currin was buried 9 Feb 1791 & Joseph Currin buried on 14 Feb 1797 with a note to say in Bishops Transcript it was CORRY.

Cheers John