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Title: Help to trace Butler Family from Bangor
Post by: choco2 on Saturday 17 March 07 14:35 GMT (UK)
Hi I would like someone to kindly help to find info for me.

The Family are John and  Margaret  Butler. (nee Pritchard)
Address in 1912 was 17 Fairview Road Bangor.
They had a son called Thomas Ivor born on 1/9/1912.This birth was registered on 5/10/1912
CF394692 is the number on Thomas Ivor's birth certificate.

All I know is that Thomas was the youngest son of a large family. I know he had an older brother called Harry and sisters called Katie and Dyllis.

I would be extremely gratefull if anyone could find any ancestors to this family.

Sorry to be so vague with starting info but this is all I have.

Thanking you in anticipation

Choco
Title: Re: Help to trace Butler Family from Bangor
Post by: welsh lady on Saturday 17 March 07 17:20 GMT (UK)
Marriage
John Butler to Margaret Pritchard Qtr Dec 1889 Vol 11b Page 781 in Bangor

Sending for the cert will give you their Fathers names.

This looks like them in 1891

3 New Terrace,Bangor,Caer
RG12 Piece 4666 Folio 10 Page 14
John Butler,Head,27,Cab Proprietor
Margaret Butler,Wife,23
Ellen B Butler,Dau,4months
All born Bangor

Will look for them in 1901
Welsh Lady
Title: Re: Help to trace Butler Family from Bangor
Post by: welsh lady on Saturday 17 March 07 17:28 GMT (UK)
I cant find them in 1901 possibly theyve been mistranscribed .Will look again tomorrow if noone has found them for you.

Welsh Lady
Title: Re: Help to trace Butler Family from Bangor
Post by: Mair on Sunday 18 March 07 00:23 GMT (UK)
Found entries in the 1901 - cant look at the household - my usual source not available to me.

However,

John Butler 36 Carnarvon bangor in Bangor as Cab Proprietor and Oil dealer
Margaret Butler 33

......and in on the rails........a daughter perchance (?)

Catherine Pritchard Butler aged 1 born again Bangor

Found BMD entry for the above Bangor 11b p 459 June 1900 quarter.

Can't pin down other children - too many! to be certain but there are a couple with the middle name Dilys on the BMD for Bangor.  One 1898 and one in 1904.

Hope this helps to pin them down in 1901 for certain!

J
Title: Re: Help to trace Butler Family from Bangor
Post by: WelshGen on Sunday 18 March 07 00:44 GMT (UK)
I can find only one John Butler in the 1881 census at High Street, Bangor

Michael BUTLER, 58, b. St Pancras, Middlesex, Stone Mason
John BUTLER, 18, b. Bangor, Apprentice Stonemason
Richard BUTLER, 13 b. Bangor, Scholar
Ellen BUTLER, 56, Bangor, Wife
Catherine Ellen BUTLER, 24, Daur, Milliner
Elizabeth BUTLER, 16, Bangor, Daur, Scholar
Ellen JONES, 22, Llanllechid, Daur, Domestic Servant

The order above is as is in the census which is odd. Is Ellen 56, second wife to Michael.
I've emailed you another list.
Title: Re: Help to trace Butler Family from Bangor
Post by: Fisherman on Sunday 18 March 07 01:28 GMT (UK)
Here theybare in 1901 - transcribed as Butter
RG13/5280/50/12

Living at 20 Club Street Bangor
John Butler            H  M       36 Cab Proprietor & Oil Dealer
Margaret                    W      33
Nellie Blodwen          Dau      10
John Emrys               Son      6
Margaret Ada            Dau      3
Catherine Pritchard   Dau       1

All born in Bangor

Fisherman
Title: Re: Help to trace Butler Family from Bangor
Post by: Fisherman on Sunday 18 March 07 01:53 GMT (UK)
In 1871
RG10/6727/55/20
Living at 48 Glanavon, Bangor

Michael Butler    H  M  48    Stone Cutter                   Middlesex, St. Pancras
Ellin        "         W M  45                                            Caernarvon, Bangor
Henry                   S  16    Stone Cutter Apprentice                 "
Catherine                  14  Dressmaker   Apprentice                  "
Owen                       12      Scholar                                       "
John                         8           "                                            "
Elizabeth                   5          "                                             "
Richard                     2                                                         "
Owen Owens  Lodger  46      Tailor                               Caernarvon, Caernarvon

Fisherman
Title: Re: Help to trace Butler Family from Bangor
Post by: WelshGen on Sunday 18 March 07 02:49 GMT (UK)
Nice one Fisherman  :D If this is the correct line of Butlers I can look in the 1861 and then 1841 census of Bangor.
Title: Re: Help to trace Butler Family from Bangor
Post by: Fisherman on Sunday 18 March 07 10:59 GMT (UK)
WelshGen,

I think we're on the right track.
Choco metioned Harry and he's with them in 71

Fisherman
Title: Re: Help to trace Butler Family from Bangor
Post by: Fisherman on Sunday 18 March 07 11:19 GMT (UK)
In 1861

RG9/4350/56/35

Living at 26 Glanavon
Michael Butler          H   M    37   Stone Mason       Middlesex ST. Pancras
Ellin                        W  M    35                               Caernarvonshire, Bottwnog
Jane A                    D         10   Scholar                                "
Henry                     S           6         "                                   "
Catherine                D           4         "                                   "
Owen                     S           2                                             " 

Fisherman
Title: Re: Help to trace Butler Family from Bangor
Post by: Mair on Sunday 18 March 07 11:44 GMT (UK)
Census 1851  Michel living with his in laws (how convenient!)   HO107/2518
Pendre
Owen Hughes 56 Carter             llaniestyn
Jane Hughes   56                         Llangian (mispelt)
Thomas           27                         Bottwrog      "
Jane                16 Emp at Home   ""        ""
Catherine        15 Emp at Home   ""        ""
Mary                 11 Scholar           Bangor

Michael Butler SIL    27 Journeyman Stone mason   St Pancreas  Middlesex
ellen               daug  25                   Bottowrog
Jane               g daug  4 mths          Bangor

BMD 1849 Bangor Vol 27 p 474 Michael Butler m Ellen Hughes

Census 1841  Butler- a puzzle  HO 107 686 15

Shown in marylebone   St pancreas Middlesex - transcribed as born in Ireland

Census 1841 Owen Hughes  (all born in county)  HO 107 1398/1
Owen Hughes  45   Carter  
Jane                  45        
Thomas            15
Ellenor              15
Lora                  10
Ann                 10
Jane                  5
Catherine          5
Mary                  2

I think thats it for now !

 :D

J
Title: Re: Help to trace Butler Family from Bangor
Post by: Fisherman on Sunday 18 March 07 11:54 GMT (UK)
Hi Jude

Well done - beat ne to it.

All done  ;D ;D

Fisherman
Title: Re: Help to trace Butler Family from Bangor
Post by: choco2 on Sunday 18 March 07 12:23 GMT (UK)
Hi to you all,

A big thank you I am so excited at your results.

Especially about the stone mason connection as I know one of the Butler boys was a stone mason who worked on the first bridge built over to Anglesey.
I have been told his name is carved either on the bridge or a memorial in Bangor.  Hoping to go for a week end in the summer to see if I can find it.

The other Butler brother was said to of had a cab business so it looks like you are all on the right track.

Sorry I didn't think to put the occupation in my first message, but I was thinking of names and it didn't enter my head to mention occupations.

Once again thankyou to every one who is helping me.

Choco
Title: Re: Help to trace Butler Family from Bangor
Post by: WelshGen on Sunday 18 March 07 14:55 GMT (UK)
I will check the 1841 census later today for ANY Butlers in Bangor.
Can't remember when (70s or 80s)  but there was a Butler who was on the City council. As there aren't that many Butlers in Bangor just wondering if he was some distant relative.
There is a memorial in the cemetary right alongside the Britannia bridge for people who died working on that Bridge but I don't know where the memorial is for the Menai Bridge.
I do have a largish collection of photos for the Menai Bridge churchyard (the one on the island) but the only memorial I can remember is the one at the highest point for people who died in the two wars.
Title: Re: Help to trace Butler Family from Bangor
Post by: choco2 on Sunday 18 March 07 17:25 GMT (UK)
Hi again WelshGen,

Yes the Butler who was on the council was Evelyn, she was the Mayor of Bangor. Evelyn was married to my husbands cousin Frank Butler.  Sadly Frank died and with him my most likely source of info.
Frank was one of Harry Butlers sons.

My father in law was Thomas Ivor and his brother was Harry. The info I am trying to find is on their father, my husbands grandfather and any other ancestors.

I have now found out that The name of John Butler (the grandfather) who worked as a stone mason on the bridge is on a Clock in Bangor, maybe that is where I was mixed up with the memorial.

Thanks again for your help.

Choco
Title: Re: Help to trace Butler Family from Bangor
Post by: WelshGen on Tuesday 20 March 07 04:27 GMT (UK)
The Town clock of Bangor is the one showing in my logo. I remember Evelyn Butler, she was a nice lady, always stopped to chat to anyone who wanted to. Small World.
Mervyn