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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Caernarvonshire => Topic started by: choco2 on Saturday 17 March 07 14:35 GMT (UK)
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Hi I would like someone to kindly help to find info for me.
The Family are John and Margaret Butler. (nee Pritchard)
Address in 1912 was 17 Fairview Road Bangor.
They had a son called Thomas Ivor born on 1/9/1912.This birth was registered on 5/10/1912
CF394692 is the number on Thomas Ivor's birth certificate.
All I know is that Thomas was the youngest son of a large family. I know he had an older brother called Harry and sisters called Katie and Dyllis.
I would be extremely gratefull if anyone could find any ancestors to this family.
Sorry to be so vague with starting info but this is all I have.
Thanking you in anticipation
Choco
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Marriage
John Butler to Margaret Pritchard Qtr Dec 1889 Vol 11b Page 781 in Bangor
Sending for the cert will give you their Fathers names.
This looks like them in 1891
3 New Terrace,Bangor,Caer
RG12 Piece 4666 Folio 10 Page 14
John Butler,Head,27,Cab Proprietor
Margaret Butler,Wife,23
Ellen B Butler,Dau,4months
All born Bangor
Will look for them in 1901
Welsh Lady
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I cant find them in 1901 possibly theyve been mistranscribed .Will look again tomorrow if noone has found them for you.
Welsh Lady
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Found entries in the 1901 - cant look at the household - my usual source not available to me.
However,
John Butler 36 Carnarvon bangor in Bangor as Cab Proprietor and Oil dealer
Margaret Butler 33
......and in on the rails........a daughter perchance (?)
Catherine Pritchard Butler aged 1 born again Bangor
Found BMD entry for the above Bangor 11b p 459 June 1900 quarter.
Can't pin down other children - too many! to be certain but there are a couple with the middle name Dilys on the BMD for Bangor. One 1898 and one in 1904.
Hope this helps to pin them down in 1901 for certain!
J
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I can find only one John Butler in the 1881 census at High Street, Bangor
Michael BUTLER, 58, b. St Pancras, Middlesex, Stone Mason
John BUTLER, 18, b. Bangor, Apprentice Stonemason
Richard BUTLER, 13 b. Bangor, Scholar
Ellen BUTLER, 56, Bangor, Wife
Catherine Ellen BUTLER, 24, Daur, Milliner
Elizabeth BUTLER, 16, Bangor, Daur, Scholar
Ellen JONES, 22, Llanllechid, Daur, Domestic Servant
The order above is as is in the census which is odd. Is Ellen 56, second wife to Michael.
I've emailed you another list.
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Here theybare in 1901 - transcribed as Butter
RG13/5280/50/12
Living at 20 Club Street Bangor
John Butler H M 36 Cab Proprietor & Oil Dealer
Margaret W 33
Nellie Blodwen Dau 10
John Emrys Son 6
Margaret Ada Dau 3
Catherine Pritchard Dau 1
All born in Bangor
Fisherman
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In 1871
RG10/6727/55/20
Living at 48 Glanavon, Bangor
Michael Butler H M 48 Stone Cutter Middlesex, St. Pancras
Ellin " W M 45 Caernarvon, Bangor
Henry S 16 Stone Cutter Apprentice "
Catherine 14 Dressmaker Apprentice "
Owen 12 Scholar "
John 8 " "
Elizabeth 5 " "
Richard 2 "
Owen Owens Lodger 46 Tailor Caernarvon, Caernarvon
Fisherman
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Nice one Fisherman :D If this is the correct line of Butlers I can look in the 1861 and then 1841 census of Bangor.
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WelshGen,
I think we're on the right track.
Choco metioned Harry and he's with them in 71
Fisherman
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In 1861
RG9/4350/56/35
Living at 26 Glanavon
Michael Butler H M 37 Stone Mason Middlesex ST. Pancras
Ellin W M 35 Caernarvonshire, Bottwnog
Jane A D 10 Scholar "
Henry S 6 " "
Catherine D 4 " "
Owen S 2 "
Fisherman
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Census 1851 Michel living with his in laws (how convenient!) HO107/2518
Pendre
Owen Hughes 56 Carter llaniestyn
Jane Hughes 56 Llangian (mispelt)
Thomas 27 Bottwrog "
Jane 16 Emp at Home "" ""
Catherine 15 Emp at Home "" ""
Mary 11 Scholar Bangor
Michael Butler SIL 27 Journeyman Stone mason St Pancreas Middlesex
ellen daug 25 Bottowrog
Jane g daug 4 mths Bangor
BMD 1849 Bangor Vol 27 p 474 Michael Butler m Ellen Hughes
Census 1841 Butler- a puzzle HO 107 686 15
Shown in marylebone St pancreas Middlesex - transcribed as born in Ireland
Census 1841 Owen Hughes (all born in county) HO 107 1398/1
Owen Hughes 45 Carter
Jane 45
Thomas 15
Ellenor 15
Lora 10
Ann 10
Jane 5
Catherine 5
Mary 2
I think thats it for now !
:D
J
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Hi Jude
Well done - beat ne to it.
All done ;D ;D
Fisherman
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Hi to you all,
A big thank you I am so excited at your results.
Especially about the stone mason connection as I know one of the Butler boys was a stone mason who worked on the first bridge built over to Anglesey.
I have been told his name is carved either on the bridge or a memorial in Bangor. Hoping to go for a week end in the summer to see if I can find it.
The other Butler brother was said to of had a cab business so it looks like you are all on the right track.
Sorry I didn't think to put the occupation in my first message, but I was thinking of names and it didn't enter my head to mention occupations.
Once again thankyou to every one who is helping me.
Choco
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I will check the 1841 census later today for ANY Butlers in Bangor.
Can't remember when (70s or 80s) but there was a Butler who was on the City council. As there aren't that many Butlers in Bangor just wondering if he was some distant relative.
There is a memorial in the cemetary right alongside the Britannia bridge for people who died working on that Bridge but I don't know where the memorial is for the Menai Bridge.
I do have a largish collection of photos for the Menai Bridge churchyard (the one on the island) but the only memorial I can remember is the one at the highest point for people who died in the two wars.
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Hi again WelshGen,
Yes the Butler who was on the council was Evelyn, she was the Mayor of Bangor. Evelyn was married to my husbands cousin Frank Butler. Sadly Frank died and with him my most likely source of info.
Frank was one of Harry Butlers sons.
My father in law was Thomas Ivor and his brother was Harry. The info I am trying to find is on their father, my husbands grandfather and any other ancestors.
I have now found out that The name of John Butler (the grandfather) who worked as a stone mason on the bridge is on a Clock in Bangor, maybe that is where I was mixed up with the memorial.
Thanks again for your help.
Choco
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The Town clock of Bangor is the one showing in my logo. I remember Evelyn Butler, she was a nice lady, always stopped to chat to anyone who wanted to. Small World.
Mervyn