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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Midlothian => Topic started by: sharonf73 on Monday 19 March 07 23:14 GMT (UK)
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Hi
I took a trip to NRH today and discovered an interesting entry for my G G Grandmother. There was a record of correction for her and it appeared that she died of shock as a result of injury to her head, chest and abdomen. I noticed that her brother registered her death.
Back home I kept thinking about it, wondering why her husband didn't register her death, so logged onto the Scotsmans archive. Up pops an entry, so I pay out to download. I now have 3 articles relating to the murder of my G G Grandmother - committed by her husband. The articles give loads of details including the sentence of 7 years and I've now got a clear picture of what happened that afternoon.
Anyway, I'm now wondering if there is any other sources I can look up. I've just done a search on the NAS catalogue but it's come back with no matches.
Does anyone know if the prisons hold records or advise me of anything else I can look up? I'm also wondering what happened to their 6 year old son whilst his father was in prison. This all happened in Leith, Edinburgh.
Thanks
Sharon
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Hi
My G G Grandmother as mentioned above was buried in Grange Cemetry. As the Grange is quite a distance from Leith I wondered if there may have been another one in 1891. Maybe not but it seems a fair bit away to be buried. As far as I'm aware all her family come from Leith.
I've emailed City of Edinburgh Council about 5 weeks ago but have never had a response.
Does anyone else have an idea why she would be buried at Grange and not one nearer home?
Thanks in advance
Sharon
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HI Sharon
If you post some names, maybe people might be able to help with the searches.
Regards.
Monica
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Of course, not thinking!
Margaret Hendry, died 20 December 1890.
Her husband (who murdered her) was William Hendry.
They lived (and she died) at 9 Burns Street, Leith.
Sharon
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Hi sharon,
Sorry to hear about the news, but I searched on the National Archives of Scotland, done a search ubder "William Hendry" and both the precognition and trial are listed there, JC26/1891/10.
William Hendry plead guilty to culpable homicide and was sent to penal servitude for 7 years.
William was 34 and a labourer at time of precognition.
Tom
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Hi Sharon
I found these on the NAS relating to Wm Hendry
Precognition against William Hendry for the crime of murder at 9 Burns Street, Leith
http://www.dswebhosting.info/NAS/dserve.exe?&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Site20&dsqCmd=show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=58&dsqSearch=((text)='hendry')
Trial papers relating to William Hendry for the crime of murder at 9 Burns Street, Leith. Tried at High Court, Edinburgh
http://www.dswebhosting.info/NAS/dserve.exe?&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Site20&dsqCmd=show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=78&dsqSearch=((text)='william%20hendry')
William Hendry, widower, Verdict: Guilty, Verdict Comments: Guilty plea - culpable homicide, Sentence: Penal servitude - 7 years
Hope this helps. Doesn't seem long for murder does it? Maybe the fact he pled guilty helped.
Good luck
Lesley
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Hi Sharon,
What was the brother's name that registered her, trying to prove her own family in Grange area.
Tom
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Thanks! I did a search on the NAS website and got zilch! I'll wait till I go home tonight (better not do it at work!) and search again.
I knew what the sentence was as there is a very large article reported in the Scotsman.
I emailed NAS but never got a response. I'll pop in the next time I'm on leave.
I also work near the Grange so may go one lunchtime or after work and see if I can find her - if there is a grave of course. They were both drinkers so I doubt there would have been money for a stone unless Margaret's family got one.
Basically, according to the Scotsman, William wanted some dinner, Margaret didn't respond (presumably stone drunk) so he started kicking her. Obviously went too far and she died of the injuries. I don't think he even realised she was dead and even got a neighbour to help him take her to bed - she (the neighbour) also didn't realise Margaret was dead. It was a visitor to the house that reported to the police. The sad thing is their son, also William, who was only 6 seemed to have witnessed it all.
I was excited when I first found this thinking at last something juicy in the family, then I remembered these people were family and it made be sad.
Sharon
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Hi Sharon,
What was the brother's name that registered her, trying to prove her own family in Grange area.
Tom
Tom - I'll check when I get home (boss now about so better do some work!).
Sharon
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Hi Sharon,
I think it is very sad, especially for the young William, whatever happened to him. I suppose the family would adopt him as one of their own, probably not done formally as happened then. I have done a search for William Hendr* in 1901 census but cannot pin him down yet.
Tom
PS I hate it when work interferes with play!
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PS I hate it when work interferes with play!
I know! He's just popped out again so I've popped back in here!
We don't think my gran or her siblings knew that their father had witnessed this but I have been told there was "a dark secret" which none of them knew what it was. Looks like I may have stumbled across the "dark secret".
I really feel for young William. Going by memory Margaret's maiden name was Thallon or Thallan (I've seen the two spellings used within the family). Just can't remember her brother's first name.
Better get back to my boring finance work!
Sharon
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Meant to say, young William's full name is William Taylor Hendry.
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Hi Sharon,
Ok, I have found the certificate, the maiden name is Thallon, brother was Alexander.
Tom
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Hi Sharon,
In 1851 at Hume's Entry, Edinburgh
Thomas Thallon 24 b 1827 Edinburgh Carter
Margaret Thallon (nee Wood) 20 b 1831 Edinburgh
In 1861 at Canongate Hapes Land, Edinburgh Old Church
Thomas Thallon 35 b 1826 Edinburgh Carter
Margaret Thallon (m.s. Wood) 30 b 1831 Edinburgh
Ann Thallon 10 b 1851 Edinburgh Scholar
Isabella Thallon 8 b 1853 Edinburgh Scholar
Margaret Thallon 6 b 1855 Edinburgh Scholar
Janet Clunie Thallon 4 b 1857 Edinburgh (Castle and Portsburgh)
Alexander Thallon 1 b 1860 Edinburgh (St Giles, Edinburgh)
Thomas Thallon, b 1826 died in 1863 in the Canongate Edinburgh
Margaret Wood or Thallon b 1831, died in St George parish in Edinburgh in 1890
Ann Thallon b 1847 on SP, died 1925 in St Andrews parish Edinburgh 1925
Isabella Thallon b 1853 died 1874 in St Giles Parish Edinburgh
Margaret Thallon b 1855 died 1890 in Burns St Leith
Janet C Thallon b 1847 cannot find death
Alexander Thallon in 1901 he is 41 and living in lodgings in Gorgie Edinburgh. I cannot find DC.
So not sure where young William Taylor Hendry stayed with, yet.
I have found a 16 years old William Hendry staying at 20 Young Street Edinburgh, as a Plumbers Apprentice in the 1901 census. His parents are given as Francis & Catherine Murphy. It seems to be some sort of home etc. This could be the young man.
Tom
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Hi Sharon,
I have downloaded the death certificate of William Taylor Hendry, aged 66 died 26 Jan 1951 in Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh, 40 days after fractured femur and 6 days after cardiac failure, and I am sad to say there is a note in left hand column, Register of Corrected Entries, page 5 , 5th march 1951.
he had been married to Ann Anderson and was a Motor Boat Driver (Boat could be Beer, but doesnt make sense) His father William as a deceased Hotel Boots, and mother we know about. His son registered his death but signed it R A Hendry I think.
I then downloaded his marriage certificate, he was 33, she was 34, in Bridge Cottage, Coldstream on the 11th August 1917. Here is the good news, he was Company Sergeant Major in the Royal Scots Fusiliers. His father William is listed as a Gardener, not deceased. His father in law was a gardener also, Robert Anderson married to Ann Dunlop.
Tom
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Hi Sharon,
I have just looked at your website, and all the info I found you knew already, only thing was staying with the Murphy's
Tom
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Hi Tom
You have been busy - thank you so much. As you said I knew some of the info but I didn't have all the Thallon info or the possibility of where young William stayed.
R A Anderson is likely to be Uncle Bob (or great uncle in my case) - Robert Anderson Hendry.
If I remember correctly I had his occupation as Motor Bus Driver but I could have picked up it wrong and it could be as you have mentioned Boat. I don't think I ever picked up that he a Register of Correction. Next time I'm at NRH I'll look at that.
I have a couple of old pictures that I think could be William's wedding at Coldstream. I had thought of scanning them one day and posting on here to see if anyone can date them and let me know the uniform. I'll get round to that. In one of the photos there is a family group one, I'm wondering if William senior is one of them.
Thanks again, for all this info, your a gem!
Sharon
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Just done a google search on 20 Young Street - it is now a bar and my mum and I had lunch in there a couple of months ago (very nice lunch too!).
Wonder if it was a pub back then. Hope he didn't live in a pub with his parents background.
Sharon
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Hi again Tom
I've now had a reply from City of Edinburgh Council where they have given me plot and map of where Margaret is buried. She's in the same plot as her mother, sister, brother and 3 half sisters. I didn't know about the sister or half sisters so more to add to the tree!
The late Margaret Wood or Angus died 20th April 1890 aged 59yrs, interred in Section S Grave Space 89.
The late Margaret Thallon or Hendry died 20th December 1890 aged 35yrs, also interred in Section S Grave Space 89 (my G G Grandmother who was killed).
The late Catherine White died 12th June 1891 aged 20yrs, also interred in Section S Grave Space 89.
The late Annie Smith died 12th March 1897 aged 4days, also interred in Section S Grave Space 89.
The late Mary Angus Smith died 14th May 1902 aged 11 months, also interred in Section S Grave Space 89.
The late Wilhelmina Thallon died 18th April 1915 aged 51yrs, also interred in Section S Grave Space 89.
The late Alexander Thallon died 2nd April 1925 aged 66yrs, also interred in Section S Grave Space 89.
Because of these names I purchased some credits from Scotland's People and had a few to spare so thought I'd try the 1901 census (Tom, I know you had already looked at this but wanted to print off the page). Looking at young William's date of birth I realised he would have turned 17 by the time of the census and there is one match. A William Hendry, age 17, boarding with the family named Swanson. He was a grocers apprentice. I think this could be him. They lived at 32 Easter Road, Edinburgh - just across the road from where I lived 70 years later!
I also discovered Margaret's mother (Margaret Wood) was married three times (Thallon, White and Angus).
Planning to pay them a visit very soon.
Sharon
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Hi again
Further to my previous queries I now have another relating to the murder!
A distant relative has recently got in touch with me from the Hendry side. She gave me information on William's mother's death (William who committed the murder). Interstingly she died in 1895 and William was the informant. Since William was sententenced to 7 years in 1891 he obviously did not serve the full time and has moved from Edinburgh to Ayrshire.
Typically when I tried to view the prison records those are the years that are missing so I am unable to find out when he was released from Edinburgh Prison.
Does anyone have any other ideas where I can look or am I at a dead end here?
Sharon
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Hi Sharon
I'm a Thallon and have recently been trying to find the link between Thomas Thallon (Margaret's Father) and the rest of the Thallon Family from Fife. Unsuccessfuly I might add.
Anyway, One nugget of information I found was that Margaret Thallon had an illegitemate son (John Thallon) in 1879, she is noted on the birth certificate as being a domestic servant. John is listed living with Margaret's brother (Alexander) and sister (Wilhelmina) in West Port, Edinburgh St Cutherbert's in 1881 and in 1891.
This may be another dark secret :o
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oohh very interesting! I didn't know about the illigitimate son. I've not got any further back than Thomas and Margaret (Wood), Margaret's parents, but hoping to go back to Register House later this month. I'll take a note to look more into them.
Sharon
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Hi Sharon
this is hopefully going to help answer a few questions in an aroundabout fashion. The Book is called
Crime & Punishment Trails in Aberdeen & Stonehaven. It is one of a series of themed trails being developed around the city. The have a website. www.aberdeencity.gov.uk/trails.
I know it is not edinburgh but they may be able to help. Perhaps they have a counterpart in Edinburgh who can actually help. Contact name is Chris Coley Assistand Keeper (Research) 01224 523653 Let me know how you get on and if this was really any help.
marcie
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Hi Sharon
Having read your posting after posting my answer I can see that things have moved on quite a bit since the last time I posted
Hopefully you will find the answers you are looking for.
marcie and goodluck! ;)
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Thanks Marcie and thanks for this info. Maybe one day I'll get all the answers, when I'm looking for something else!
Sharon
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It will probably just fall in your lap! :)When least expected.
marcie
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Hi Sharon,
I have been researching my son in law's Angus family tree and his parents have quite a bit of information too. i have stumbled across your Roots Chat post about Margaret Hendry ( nee Thallan) and her murder.
Did you know she had an illigitimate son in 1879 called John Thallon Angus. He was brought up by his grandmother Margaret Wood, I'm presuming when when she married William Hendry. He is in the 1881 census with her and Neil Angus as a 2 year old.
He took the name Angus from her third husband, Neil Angus, who must have carried on bringing him up when his grandmother died, also in 1890, the same year as his Mum was murdered.
he went on to have a son called William Brown Angus 1917 - 1986, who married a Marion Anderson, 1924 -2008.
Anne
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Hi Sharon
I stumbled upon your post whilst researching Thomas Fowler m Sarah Richardson from Byland, Yorkshire.
I'm looking for a Robert Robertson Fowler, born about 1917, from Scotland but living in Kent in the early 1950's.
If you have any ideas I would be so grateful
Lesley