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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Warwickshire => Topic started by: Al in Vane on Wednesday 21 March 07 09:59 GMT (UK)
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1861 and especially 1871 lookup needed for William Kemp born Ryton On Dunsmore, Warwickshire.
In 1851 he was aged 39, a Brickmaker, with wife Elizabeth 41, born Rowington, and had children George 7, Joseph 5, Edward 4 and Peter 2.
I believe the family would be in the Stretton On Dunsmore/Ryton On Dunsmore area.
Any information would be much appreciated.
Al
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Hi Al,
1861
RG9/2214 97 8
Princethorpe, Warwickshire
William Kemp, head, 49, Ag lab, b. Ryton upon Dunsmore
Elizabeth, wife, 50, b. Rowington?
Edward, son, 14, *** boy, b. Princethorpe
Peter, son, 12, ditto, b. do.
Thomas, son, 9, scollar, b. do.
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I believe young Thomas dies before 1871. Peter and Edward can be seen on later census. Peter is in Yorkshire by 1871 - can't spot Edward.
I see a possible death for Elizabeth in March 1867 Rugby.
Leaves William... The only one I can see is
RG10/1296 79 19
Sandhurst, Berkshire
Broadmoor Criminal Lunatic Asylum
William Kemp, Inmate, wid, 58? (could be 68), Ribbon Weaver, b. Ryton Warwickshire - Lunatic
Not 100% convinced ::)
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Superb stuff Tati. You are right about Broadmoor entry as I have him there in 1881 when he was discribed as brickmaker which he was in earlier life. I wanted the '71 mostly to see if he was in Broadmoor at that point. I shall next have to find the reason why if at all possible. He was aged 58 in '71.
Many thanks again for your time and effort, very much appreciated.
Al
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Forgot to say that Edward was married in 1868 and looking at birthplaces of children he would be in Stretton On Dunsmore area in 1871.
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Indeed I can see Matilda and little John but Edward is not at home
RG10/3187 123 10
(sorry, can't read address)
Stretton on Dunsmore
Matilda Kemp, head, mar, 23, Ag labs wife, b. Oxford Kingham
John E, son, 2, b; Stretton on Dunsmore
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Perhaps he was visiting dad in Broadmoor!
Thanks for all your help Tati, appreciated, now I have to go and tell my mate about his great great grandfather..........!
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Very welcome, Al ! :D
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Hi,
I found this entry whch may be Edward,
1871 RG10/3201 f.80 p.9 St Mary, Warwickshire
District County Prison
E K Prisoner Mar male 22 Brickmaker Princethorpe Warwick
I had a quick look for a male with the initials E K born abt.1848 in Princethorpe, in the 1851 and 1861 census and I can only find Edward KEMP :)
Regards
Daisy
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I think you are on the button Daisy, sounds like a 'nice' family but they all turned out right in the end!
Thank you so much for your perseverance and effort, much appreciated.
'If we don't like what's under the stone we shouldn't turn it over in the first place'
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I am directly descended from this KEMP family and have a considerable amount of information on them, including:
extracted from the publication "Police News" dated 5th December 1868.
"William Kemp, 56, a brickmaker, was charged at Warwick Assizes with the wilful murder of his son, Thomas Kemp.
The facts of the case were of a very painful character. The evidence went to show that in July of the present year the prisoner was residing in a cottage at Princethorpe, near Warwick, with the deceased, a married son, and his wife. Deceased and prisoner occupied one bedroom, and slept in the same bed, and the other bedroom was occupied by the married son and his daughter-in-law. Between three and four o'clock on the morning of the 14th July the prisoner left his bed, came downstairs, procured a razor, and cut his youngest son's throat so severely that he died in about a quarter of an hour after. After committing the deed, he went to the adjoining bedroom, roused his married son, and said, "I have cut little Tom's throat." The son rushed into his father's bedroom, and was horrified to see his brother standing in the room in a pool of blood, with a frightful gash in his throat, from which blood was flowing. He at once got an apron to staunch the wound, but deceased told him not to do so, for he was dying and should go to heaven. When asked what had led him to cut the poor lad's throat, the father answered that he was afraid if he lived he would come to poverty, and so he cut his throat to save him from such suffering. He was shortly afterwards apprehended by the parish constable, to whom he stated that he had got up with the intention of leaving the place, and then just when he was about to do so, the thought occurred to him that if he cut Tom's throat, he would never live to come to poverty, and he then took the razor and went back and did it.
The case for the defence was that he was of unsound mind at the time of the occurrence. It appeared that about eight years back prisoner had a lightning stroke, since which time he had been very low and desponding. The loss of his wife, which took place three years since, aggravated his disease, and increased the depression of his spirit to such an extent as to cause alarm among his neighbours and friends. Recently he had sustained a heavy loss in his trade, and that also preyed upon his mind to a serious degree. His great trouble appeared to be that some day he would come to poverty, and he seemed to be deeply affected with the idea that the deceased would suffer a good deal on that account.
Several witnesses were called, who described fully the fits of melancholy to which he was almost continually liable. To one he said he would take a shirt and wander about until he perished. To another he said that the devil had such a strong hold on him that he could not pray to Almighty God for assistance. His mind was continually brooding upon future poverty, and on one occasion he took two knives upstairs for the purpose of cutting his own throat.
The jury returned a verdict of not guilty, on the grounds of insanity, and he was ordered to be confined during her Majesty's pleasure."
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Blimey, what a story !! :o :o
Welcome to RootsChat, Sue :)
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Thank you for the welcome!
In a letter to Sue020 dated 21 November 2006, the archivist of Broadmoor Hospital confirmed that they still hold records relating to William Kemp. She advised that these records are not open for public viewing, but she was able to provide the following information:
"William Kemp was tried at Warwick Assizes and found not guilty on the grounds of insanity, the sentence being that he be detained during Her Majesty's pleasure. He was admitted to Broadmoor Hospital on 1st February 1869 from Warwick County Prison.
He was 56 years of age when he was admitted here. It is stated that on admission he was fair of health, could read and write a little, and had been a brick maker for 35 years. He had five living children - the youngest was 20. I have letters of thanks from them, received after his death, their names were Peter, William, Joseph, Edward and a daughter called Sarah Scott.
Whilst at Broadmoor Hospital he worked in the gardens and helped with the painting of the hospital.
He died here on 20th January 1888 aged 94. He was buried here on 25th January 1888. Graves here are unmarked, but should you ever wish to view the site our Chaplain would be happy to show you."
William's son Edward John Kemp is my great grandfather. I have not so far been able to discover why he was in Warwick County Prison at the time of the 1871 Census. Edward John's son George Henry Kemp (my grandfather) married Rosannah Copson in 1903, in Ross on Wye, Herefordshire. George Henry's marriage certificate indicates that his father Edward John was deceased. This was not in fact the case - Edward John died in 1910. From the time of his marriage onwards George Henry referred to himself as Henry Kemp. George Henry's daughter Linda Mary (my mother, born 1912) was not aware that she had any living relatives on her father's side of the family right up to the time of her death in 1982. I didn't take up family history until the late 1990s, so was unable to advise her otherwise!
Does anyone have any ideas about how to find out more about Edward John's spell in Warwick County Prison? He is not included in the on-line Calender of Prisoners database belonging to Warwick County Record Office.
The photo attached is of George Henry and Rosannah Copson on their wedding day.
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Superb stuff Sue, thank you for all that info, very much appreciated.
I am researching the family for a friend, Peter Kemp who lives in Nuneaton, Warwickshire and you have unblocked a very big brick wall.
I have passed on your info and he is currently taking it all in. he may like to get in touch sometime but will await his reply on that.
Al
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Al in Vane:
I have lots of information on these Kemps, if your friend Peter Kemp would like a copy of my notes. Can I ask which Kemp branch Peter is descended from?
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This is the 1901 for Bedworth, Peter comes down from George, his father was also named George. There are lots of Kemps in the Bedworth/Nuneaton area coming down from this family. When Peter has studied your entries I am sure he would love to know what else you have so I will probably send you a personal message after the weekend. Where are you from?
1901
Marston Lane, Bedworth
Edward Kemp 52 Brick Maker Princethorpe +
Matilda 51 Kingham, Oxfordshire
George 24 Coal Miner Filler Stretton
James 20 Coal Miner Filler Stretton
William 18 Coal Miiner Filler Stretton
Annie 12 Stretton
Samuel 10 Stretton
Peter 6 Stretton
Lily 3 Stretton
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Al:
We certainly have the same family here. I live in Birmingham now, but was born in Hereford. I have two living sisters and one Kemp cousin, all still in Hereford.
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Hi my name is Murray Kemp, and I descend from a family of Kemps in Marston Lane Bedworth, My dads name is Alan, and my grandads name is Ronald, his dads name was William, and he ran the Old Goose pub in Orchard Street in the 1930s-40s. If any one knows any more please help
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Hi Murray, I played football with an Alan Kemp at Nicholas Chamberlaine, nickame 'Baggy', would that be your father? In any case send me a personal message and I will have a chat and send you what I have discovered.
Al
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Don't some people have all the luck! :P I'd give an arm and a leg for someone telling me they used to play football with my dad! :P
Welcome to RootsChat, Murray 8)
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Hi
Just located this after restarting my family history search after many years. My father was Jeffrey Kemp, Walter Charles Kemp's son from Jubilee Terrace in Collycroft, Bedworth. It seems strange that my father never spoke of this. Good detective work though.
Any info on the family would be gratefully received.
Jeanette
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Hi rangemore,
Welcome to RootsChat :) Hopefully Al in vane will reply to your post soon, they were online yesterday. Please note that new members can not access the pm function and full rootschat options until they have made a couple of posts.
Regards
Sarah
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I did send a PM yesterday but probably did not receive it. :(
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All new members are only able to reply to topics on the board.
sarah
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I know, but it allowed me to send it so wasn't sure if the rule had changed. :)
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Hi
Just located this after restarting my family history search after many years. My father was Jeffrey Kemp, Walter Charles Kemp's son from Jubilee Terrace in Collycroft, Bedworth. It seems strange that my father never spoke of this. Good detective work though.
Any info on the family would be gratefully received.
Jeanette
Hi Jeanette, I did ask my friend Peter Kemp if he recognised any of the names but he didn't. He was born and lived in that Jubilee Terrace however so I am sure he would be of the same family.
Walter does feature in the family in fact Walter Charles Kemp married Sarah Ann Lee at Bedworth in 1899. Another of the line, Edward and his family, lived in Marston Lane in 1901.
When able PM me and I will send what I have.