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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Topic started by: ali607 on Thursday 22 March 07 18:58 GMT (UK)
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Hi, I am trying to find any info on my Salter line. My grandad was desmond salter b.1918 Fulham, London, m1942 to Margaret May Maxfield, did a runner and nobody ever saw him again!
Was in navy as a dental mechanic. I have his navy number.
I need to know whren he died - or if indeed he is dead - it is possible that he's still alive.
Now it gets complicated:
On his marriage cetr itr states that his dad was Jervis Salter (deceased) in 1942. HOWEVER, on desmonds birth cert it states that his father was unknown - line through column - and his mother was Ethel Salter as if desmond took his mothers name (ie he was illegitimate). So i dont know whether to believe the marriage or the biorth cert???
If indeed jervis is related to me then i know he died between 1918-1942. Any ideas what the best way to search for his death is??
As for desmond - well i searched the complete 1984-2004 ancestry deaths and he isnt there...
Any help qwould be greatly appreciated
thanks
Alison
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I personally would choose the birth cert,considering she was unmarried the child would have had her surname.Then if she did marry the child would have taken a second surname i presume :-\ As for giving his unknown father a name then killing him off ;) He wouldn't have had much choice he had to put something,So made one up.He wasn't going to put don't know. ;DThats just my opinion though ;D
Celia
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Marriage
Sep q 1908
Fulham vol 1a p487
Charles Jarvis C SALTER and either
Grace Florence STANDLEY or
May Violet LEWSEY
Do any of these names ring a bell?
Maybe the father had been married before or was married at the time of your grandfather's birth?
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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hi thanks for your replies. No none of those names ring a bell - were u thinking one of those womean could have been jervis's first wife?
So Celia, your saying the birth cert is most likely correct?
Alison
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hi thanks for your replies. No none of those names ring a bell - were u thinking one of those womean could have been jervis's first wife?
Hi Alison
That was what I was wondering, yes. It is an unusual name and the fact that it is in Fulham is quite a coincidence.
On the other hand, if as you say SALTER was his mother's name, it could be that Jervis was an uncle.
"ifs and ans..."
;D
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So Celia, your saying the birth cert is most likely correct?
Don't take my word for it,but i would say yes.The birth is the one i would choose.
Celia
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Re: death of Desmond.
On the info you give we know he died between 1942 (marriage) and 1983 (you've looked '84 onwards)
Can we narrow this down any further? Like what date were children of the marriage born? the youngest?
Then it will be a case of going through the death indexes quarter by quarter to find his death. Not as daunting as it sounds, I promise!
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thanks - the only chil;d from the marriage was my dad b.1945 - not much help! then he did a bunk and was never seen again...i spose i will get round to going through the quarters one day
Alison
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From the birth certificate, what was the address given?
From the marriage certificate, who were the witnesses?
Charles Jarvis Salter (aged 20) is living in Fulham in 1901 with his mother Fanny (aged 48).
In 1881, this family are (25 Hill Street):
Jarvis Salter, 29
Fanny, 31
Ethel Lillian Salter, 3
Edith Mary, 1
Charles Jarvis Clerson Salter, 1M
Emma Salter, 59 (mother of Jarvis)
Possibly he put his grandfather's name on the marriage certificate?
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Phew!
Been through full death indexes 1945 - 1983
NO Desmond Salter of any age/area/anything at all.
Therefore when he 'disappeared' he must have either gone abroad, or changed his name, or he was still alive after 2004.
But i did find a death for a Jarvis Salter, which may fit in somewhere:
Oct/Nov/Dec 1971
Jarvis Salter, born 28 Dec 1887, died Wolverhampton area ref 9b 2271
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Alison
i have just found a piece of paper in the jumble on my desk ;D from when i went through hundreds of records home & abroad.(I forgot to post it ::)
It might not be of any relavence but because of the lack of that particular name anywhere. They might be worth taking note of. like others i found not a single Desmond apart from his birth.There were lots of D.Salters on various U.S Records but D could be lots of names.However i did eventuay find three Desmon Salters,(pity he didnt have a middle name)
1930 U.S. Federal censusDesmond Salter
Birth. abt 1922
RES 1930 City Columbia Florida
U.S Public RecordsDesmond E Salter
Birth (you have to be a full member of ancestry to see)
Residence Lake Florida.
social security Death index.
Desmond L Salter
Birth ??
Death dd mm 1991
Jefferson Louisiana U.S.A.
Cival Pensylvania
Celia
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Hi, thanks for all your suggestions and hard work. Desmond's DOB was 4th dec 1918. He was born at 369 Fulham Rd - which i believe was Fulham Rd infirmary as i remember. However his mothers address was 5 Marville Rd, Fulham. Ethel (his mum ) was a munitions worker in 1918.
Witnesses at his marriage were his wife to be's mother Jane Maxfield (my great grandma) and George Brown? His dad it says was Jervis Salter (deceased in 1942) and occupation unknown. Desmond was a dental technician in royal navy. his number was A.B.Ch SSX/18764. Does anyone know how that number can be of any use?
thanks
Alison
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Does anyone know how that number can be of any use?
With that number and all the information you have on him.You can get his naval records & anything else you want.I got my granddads a few years ago.From London i think they were about £30 They gave three descriptions of him according to which ship he commanding.One said he was pale skinned with blue eyes and a tattoo on left arm.Then he was dark skin, blondish hair.That would be because he had just come back from a few months on the islands :D.Fascinating stuff ;D You can also try Chatham Dockyard.Historical society if they are still functioning :-\
Celia
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is there a site i can go to to apply for his naval records?
Alison
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Hi Alison
I don't know, but you could post his name and number on the Armed Forces board and I am sure someone there will have the answer.
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Try the National Archives site for info on how/where etc
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/
I think Naval records are at Kew
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thanks for your help everyone - iv posted on armed forces and am awaiting replies
Alison
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Hi everyone,
I am returning to research after a ten year break. This was my original post and I am reopening it in the hope that someone can shed some light on this one remaining piece of the kigsaw in my tree!
I am mainly trying to find Desmond's dad's name...named as Jervis Salter (deceased) on Desmond's marriage certificate but unknown on Desmond's birth certificate. Desmond 'appears' to have taken his mother's surname - Salter. Given that no one would make up a name like Jervis, I am going on this as my only possible lead at this stage - but in the knowledge that Jervis may well be his uncle or some other relative on his mother's side. I am also quite happy to advance the Ethel Salter line backwards too.
From the above - very old - posts, I have pieced together the following:
1881: - 25 Hill Street (was this in Fulham?)
Jarvis Salter 29
Fanny 31
Ethel Lillian Salter 3
Edith Mary 1
Charles Jarvis Clerson Salter 1m
Emma Salter 59 (Mother of Jarvis)
1901:
Charles Jarvis Salter aged 20 living with mother Fanny aged 48
1908:
CHarles Jervis C Salter Marriage Sep quarter 1908 to either GRace Florence Standley or May Violet Lewsey
1971 OCt quarter Wolverhampton
Jarvis Salter (born 28 Dec 1887) - possibly Charles Jervis Clerson Salter
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So...am not sure where to start and am well out of practice!
I need to really find Ethel on 1901 and 1911 - is anyone able to do a lookup please? As I remember, I couldn't narrow down which one was her, but its ten years ago and I can't really remember!
When the 1921 comes out...that will perhaps give some answers as to who Ethel was with 3 years after Desmond's birth?
I think possibly if I also get the marriage certificate for CJC Salter in 1908?
From another source, I have some very slight possibilities of names for Desmond's dad...I will post serparately below
Many thanks for any help anyone can provide!
Alison
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(Ethel Salter was living at 5 Marville Road at the time of having Desmond in 1918)
Here is a post from a separate thread - info provided by IgorStrav:
"You probably know that Ethel wasn't at 5 Marville Road, Fulham in the 1911.
The family in the house was the Walkers, and they had three boarders at the time.
Many of the houses on the road seem to have been in multiple occupancy, but number 5 just has one family, William West (a house painter) and his wife Mary, who've been married for 8 years with no children.
They have three lodgers, Frank Andrews, Sam Schopfer (who's French) and Frederic William Palmer.
I only mention them because of course it's possible that one of them was still there when your Ethel was living there, and could possibly be a candidate for your great grandfather.
William West
Frank Andrews
Sam Schopfer
Frederic William Palmer"
Thanks
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1971 OCt quarter Wolverhampton
Jarvis Salter (born 28 Dec 1887) - possibly Charles Jervis Clerson Salter
CJCS was born in 1881. He died in 1916.
SALTER, CHARLES JARVIS CLEETON
Age 35
GRO Reference: 1916 J Quarter in RUNCORN Volume 08A Page 304
Debra :)