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Title: Anthony Conning kirkcudbright
Post by: clematised on Sunday 25 March 07 02:36 BST (UK)
I have the court document of Anthony Conning from Scotlands people wills and documents.

09/06/Conning,Anthony[ReferenceSC16/41/6 Kirkcudbright Sherriff Court}
Dont know how to upload it

He leaves a sloop and apparel to the value of £89.8s.9d. and his wife Jean (Jane) Conning interrogated in court swears she is his wife Jean Wilson alias Conning says that he died in the year 1826 11th December.

I need to find out how to get the marriage or death particulars of Anthony Conning who was a mariner in Kirkcudbright.

I have Jean Conning in all the censuses living in Liverpool under the name of Jane except the 1841 where I think she may have been still in Scotland.

Edna
Title: Re: Anthony Conning kirkcudbright
Post by: Erato on Sunday 25 March 07 04:56 BST (UK)
My gg grandmother was Janet Conning [born abt 1810 in Glenluce Parish, Wigtownshire].  I believe she was the daughter of John Conning and Agnes Gibson [information from my grandmother].  Janet Conning married Robert Logan [born 1804 in Portyerrock, Wigtownshire] in 1830.  They emigrated to the US in 1834 along with Janet’s unmarried brother, Anthony Conning.  The Logans and Anthony Conning settled in Medina County, Ohio, where Anthony married a widow named Mary Curtis.

Do you think there could be any family connection?
Title: Re: Anthony Conning kirkcudbright
Post by: clematised on Sunday 25 March 07 21:48 BST (UK)
I dont really know if there could be a connection as I have no information other than Jean(Jane)Wilson married Anthony Conning but no proof. and had a daughter Agnes Conning in 1816 in Kirkcudbright verified by parish records and she had a brother James Conning living with Agnes in the 1841 census and her husband Robert Couper and daughter Jane Couper and then James lived in Liverpool with Jean and Agnes and Jane Couper.
Title: Re: Anthony Conning kirkcudbright
Post by: moscan on Sunday 25 March 07 22:05 BST (UK)
hello there,

To view the pages from Scotlandspeople (wills and Testements)

You need to click on the buy logo for the particular will you wish to view.  When you have got the pages up to view you can download them to your computer from the viewing 'box'

each will costs £5 but you only have to pay for it once and can go back and check it again and again.


I also found Jean Conning on the 1841 Census with family

Details are as follows:

Milburn Street, Kirkcudbright


Jean Conning aged 40 wife of a Mar (sic) born in county

Jean Conning aged 15 F S Born in County

Robert Conning aged 11 Ag Lab Born in County

Alexander Conning aged 10 Mar S Ap  Born in County

James Conning aged 8 Born in County

David Conning aged 6 Born in County

Thomas Conning aged 4 bonr in County

Nathanial Conning aged 1 born in County



It was the only "Conning' Family in the 1841 that I could find with Jean as mother

Best wishes

Mo
Title: Re: Anthony Conning kirkcudbright
Post by: clematised on Monday 26 March 07 01:47 BST (UK)
Thank you Moscan
I already have the document from Scotlands people and the census above is not my Jean usually noted as Jane.

Her children were older than this and two of them Agnes and James were together on the 1841 scotland census living in Glasgow.
Title: Re: Anthony Conning kirkcudbright
Post by: MonicaL on Monday 26 March 07 13:58 BST (UK)
I don't know if you have seen this site: www.old-kirkcudbright.net/genealogy/oprDeaths/1826-28.asp

There is a death showing for an Arthur Conning with the precise date that Jane Wilson is stating as his death:

11-Dec  1826     Conning  Arthur Kirkcudbright     M     41     Water in chest

Regards.

Monica  :)

Title: Re: Anthony Conning kirkcudbright
Post by: MonicaL on Monday 26 March 07 14:14 BST (UK)
Apart from Agnes, there are a few more children showing for Anthony and Jean, including the James you already have. You cannot tell from the entries for James and John whether they are birth or christening entries on the OPRs:

1. 25/09/1819   CONNING   ANTHONY Parents:ANTHONY CONNING/JANE WILSON FR250   M   @ Kirkcudbright   /KIRKCUDBRIGHT   871/ 0010 0475   

2. 12/11/1821   CONNING   JAMES   Parents: ANTHONY CONNING/JANE WILSON FR375   U   @ Kirkcudbright   /KIRKCUDBRIGHT   871/ 0020 0008   

3. 12/11/1821   CONNING   JOHN   Parents: ANTHONY CONNING/JANE WILSON FR375   U   @ Kirkcudbright   /KIRKCUDBRIGHT   871/ 0020 0008

Monica  :)
Title: Re: Anthony Conning kirkcudbright
Post by: clematised on Monday 26 March 07 19:26 BST (UK)
Thank you for this information as I did hear last night on Scotish Family Tree Forum of the death of Arthur Conning being the same day.

I did not know of Anthony Connings birth only that of John and James so there were four children.

Thank you againMonicaLesl

Edna

Title: Re: Anthony Conning kirkcudbright
Post by: scott47 on Tuesday 08 May 07 22:09 BST (UK)
Hi

Do you know a Conning and a boat or ship called the Nithsdale of Dumfries by any chance?

Regards

Elizabeth
Title: Re: Anthony Conning kirkcudbright
Post by: clematised on Tuesday 08 May 07 23:47 BST (UK)
Sorry Elizabeth I can not help you with this question as I do not have the answer for you

Edna
Title: Re: Anthony Conning kirkcudbright
Post by: susanmjvr on Thursday 30 September 10 17:10 BST (UK)
Hi Anthony,
I'm looking for info on the Conning family from Scotland.
g/grandfather David Johnston Conning - Wife Susan (Byers) AND Jessie (Boyd)
gg/gf James Conning - Wife Margaret (Stephen)
ggg/gf Alexander Conning - Wife Margaret (?Thomson)
If you can link any of these to your search please let me know.  David Conning moved to South Africa and died there.  As far as I know Jessie never came to SA.
Thanks
Sue
Title: Re: Anthony Conning kirkcudbright
Post by: Erato on Thursday 30 September 10 21:36 BST (UK)
Hi Sue -

Sorry, I see no connection to my Conning ancestors, who were from Wigtownshire and some of whom went to the US in 1834.


Erato
Title: Re: Anthony Conning kirkcudbright
Post by: MonicaL on Thursday 30 September 10 22:05 BST (UK)
Hi Sue

Welcome to RootsChat  :)

What sort of info do you have already on the earlier lines?

James Conning and Margaret Stephen were married in 1861 in Montrose, Angus. Five children showing to them born between 1862-71, including your David in Montrose at the end of December 1867. One other child also shows on the 1881 census aged 4. Not sure of Margaret's marital status at that time as she shows as head of household.

This looks to be a messy transcription of the 1871 census:

James Arning 46, Ship Black Smith, b. Montrose
Margaret Cunning 29 b. Inver Keeler, Forfar
Alexander Cunning 7
Robert S Cunning 5
David I Cunning 3

Address: 92 Hill St, Dundee

James Conning's birth year of c. 1825 is confirmed on his 1861 census entry, where he shows at 7 River St, Montrose, occupation of blacksmith.

And in the earlier censuses, with some of his family:

1851:

James Conning (Twin) 26 b. Master Blacksmith (employing 3 Men)
Isabella Conning (Twin) 26, sister
Elizabeth Conning 21, sister
Grace Conning 19, sister

Address: 7 River St, Montrose

Monica  :)

Title: Re: Anthony Conning kirkcudbright
Post by: MonicaL on Thursday 30 September 10 22:20 BST (UK)
Not seeing anything on father Alexander and mother Margaret on IGI. Wondering though whether father Alexander may have remarried by 1841. From the sisters names in 1851, I wondered whether this was the family in 1841. James not showing at home. Points to note with the 1841 census, relationships within the household are not normally given and ages for everyone over 15 were supposed to be rounded down to the nearest 5 years:

Alexander Canning 45, blacksmith
Isobel Canning 45
David Canning 15
Jane Canning 14
Elizabeth Canning 12
Grace Canning 10
Isobel Middleton 15, servant

Address: Mill Lane, Montrose

Possible IGI entry for this marriage:

ALEXANDER CONNING and ISABELLA WYLLIE    
Marriage: 29 NOV 1835 in Montrose

Can't see Alexander in the 1851 census, may have died between censuses?

Monica
Title: Re: Anthony Conning kirkcudbright
Post by: susanmjvr on Friday 01 October 10 21:20 BST (UK)
Hi Monica,
Details don’t seem to add up.  You have Cunning not Conning.  First part is right about James and Margaret’s marriage in 1861.  Have not looked at any census records yet. Turning out there are many skeletons in the closet, one is David married to Jessie.  Records in SA, great grandmothers (Susan) death record shows surviving spouse as David Johnston Conning, but when he passed away later, it shows his surviving spouse as Jessie, and Jessie was never is SA and David never returned to Scotland.  Looking at Scotland records found he did marry Jessie in 1889. I have never come across any divorce records from that time, so maybe you can help, can a person even get such a thing from back then. Did he have two wives one in SA and one in Scotland :-o
From marriage record of
David Johnston Conning to Jessie (Boyd) 20/12/1889 St Andrew Dundee, father James Conning and mother Margaret (Stephen). 
I then found the marriage record of
James Conning and Margaret (Stephen) 30/08/1861 Montrose, father
Alexander Conning and mother Margaret (?) can not make it out, Thomson maybe, also think it may say Deceased
I am still looking into marriage between Alexander and Margaret
You have the address as 7 River Street my records show 8 River Street.
David Johnston Conning
28 Dec 1867 4:00 am
8 River Street
Montrose
Angus
Scotland

One very interesting fact you have come up with, my g/g/grandfather had a twin sister and this is the first I have heard about that – thanks

James Conning (Twin) 26 b. Master Blacksmith (employing 3 Men)
Isabella Conning (Twin) 26, sister
Elizabeth Conning 21, sister
Grace Conning 19, sister

Thanks
Sue

Title: Re: Anthony Conning kirkcudbright
Post by: clematised on Friday 01 October 10 21:32 BST (UK)
Hello all,

Just catching up with the thread, My Connings were sometimes spelled Canning but name transcriptions vary so dont worry too much about that.

Happy Hunting

Edna
Title: Re: Anthony Conning kirkcudbright
Post by: MonicaL on Friday 01 October 10 22:07 BST (UK)
Hi Sue

Just picking up on some of the points. Don't be concerned about the spelling of the surname. Unlike today where spellings are rigid, in those times there were many spelling variations to names and you can often find a number of different versions on varying documents.

Regarding addresses, 7 or 8 River Street. Again, you can find families at different addresses over the years, sometimes on the same street.

If you have a problem confirming the surname of Margaret, wife of Alexander, you can contact Scotlands People and ask for help. They often get these types of enquires as sometimes images make things hard to read. See this note www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/help/index.aspx?r=1210

When did David head off to SA? Can't easily see him on the Scottish 1891 census as yet. Have you found a marriage for David to Susan in SA?

What were Jessie's details from the 1899 marriage (age, parents' names)? Maybe we can find her on the later Scottish censuses.

Monica  :)

Added: Hi Edna. Sorry, our posts crossed over.
Title: Re: Anthony Conning kirkcudbright
Post by: matt muir on Sunday 03 October 10 00:41 BST (UK)
Hi Edna.

I think this is your Conning family as listed in the Pre 1855 MI's for Kirkcudbright.

No 608.
Anthony CONNING mariner d Kirkcudbright 11.12 1826 41 yrs.
son John 6.12.1841 20yrs. son Jas d Liverpool 30.7.1851 29yr.
son Anthony lost at sea 3.6.1858 (wife Mary MATHEWS d Gatehouse 10.10.1858 24yrs)
Gda Agness Isabella DICKSON d Liverpool aged 2yr 2mth.Jas Maben DICKSON master
of the ship Florence Graham lost in Dingle Bay Ireland Jan 1861 36yr.
Above Anthony CONNING senior, wife Jane CONNING d Liverpool 15.11. 1867 83yr, dau
Agnes d Liverpool (h J M DICKSON).

(west side)
Mary CONNING d Kirkcudbright 25.2. 1907 84 wid of Ephraim JESSEMIE,da Mary Caroline JESSEMIE 6.1.1936 82 yr (wid of Thos E COWPER)

Hope this is some help.
Rgds Matt
Title: Re: Anthony Conning kirkcudbright
Post by: clematised on Sunday 03 October 10 17:21 BST (UK)
WOW Matt you have been busy for me and I am awestruck with your findings, a lot to take in and try and figure just who is who here.

Death of Anthony Conning and three sons John  James and Anthony all died young and Anthonys wife Mary Mathews also died the same year as Anthony,how sad for her.
Grd Agnes Isabella Dickson I did not know about  and I am assuming she is the daughter of Agnes and James M Dickson, who married Liverpool 1856 with a bit of dubious name changes on the marriage cert, I presume Agnes covering up her previous marriage. do you have a date for her death??

The last bit (West Side) will take a bit of explaining as I do not have those names at all and can't follow the relationship.
Cowper was the name of my gt grandmother Jane Wilson Lloyd before marriage and her father was Robert but after 1841 he is elusive and married ? to Agnes Janes mother.
Jane Wilson Lloyd died India 1876 and her husband five years later.

Thanks Matt this all gives me a new look see for this family and I will follow these leads.

Edna
Title: Re: Anthony Conning kirkcudbright
Post by: clematised on Sunday 03 October 10 19:39 BST (UK)
http://www.irishshipwrecks.com/shipwrecks.php?wreck_ref=255

I have just found info on the shipwreck of James Maben Dickson so may go to the Liverpool Maritime Museum to see what I can find as soon as I can get the time.

Thanks Matt

Edna
Title: Re: Anthony Conning kirkcudbright
Post by: matt muir on Sunday 03 October 10 20:00 BST (UK)
Hi Edna.
Try this link & search for Conning on the Shipping Registers
http://www.dgcommunity.net/historicalindexes/default.aspx

 Just found this on it.It could be the vessel referred to in Anthony's will.

Date: 06 June 1826
Ship Name/No: SKELDON
Port: Kirkcudbright
Type: Smack
Registration No:
Burthen: 23 11/94
Length: 37
Breadth: 12 7/12
Hold: 6 7/12

Description: Running bowsprit. One deck, one mast. Square stern, carvel built. Has raised wark upon the quarter deck. No galleries, no figurehead.

Master: CONNING, Anthony
Owners: CONNING, Anthony of Kirkcudbright, Mariner 64 shares.

History: Built at Air (sic)(Ayr) in Co. of Air (Ayr) and registered there 20 July 1825. Certificate of Registry delivere up and cancelled and the vessel re-registered at kirkcudbright 02 Nov. 1828.
Surveyor: McLELLAN, David, Comptroller, Acting Tidesurveyor at Kirkcudbright.
Later Masters: CONNING, James at Wigtown 03 Aug. 1826. CONNING, William has become Master 29 Oct. 1827.
Rgds Matt
Title: Re: Anthony Conning kirkcudbright
Post by: clematised on Sunday 03 October 10 20:23 BST (UK)

Thanks Matt,
It looks like it stayed in the Conning Family, I just need to find out who they are who owned it after Anthony's death.

I have discovered that James M Dickson was delivering Palm Oil to the UK Liverpool from Africa
I have found the baptism on familysearch for his daughter Agnes Isabella Dickson giving her birth date as 10th Aug 1856.

Exciting times as this side of my research has remained dormant for some time.

Edna
Title: Re: Anthony Conning kirkcudbright
Post by: matt muir on Wednesday 17 November 10 23:25 GMT (UK)
Hi Edna.
After I found the MI for Anthony Conning in Kirkcudbright Cemetery I never checked any others.
Guess what, I have just found one that gives some more info on James M Dickson, his parents etc.
This is it.............
628
Jas DICKSON d Kirkcudbright 15.3.1860 59yrs, w Jane MABEN 13.3. 1842 47yr,
w Annie McGOWAN 29.4.1865,by s Thos d Glasgow 1.11. 1878 47, ss Jas &
John master mariners,the former drowned off the coast of Ireland in the
shipwreck of the barque Florence Graham homeward bound from the coast of
Africa 24.1.1861, 36. the latter d Glasgow 3.2.1873 49, da Jane d Glasgow
8.1. 1876 42  ( h Thos ANDERSON baker Glasgow 1.11.1878 47, chn Mary Rae-
burn 3.11.60 1y 9m, Mary Raeburn 18.7. 1864, Thos Walker 12.8.1868 3 w,
Wm Wallace 20.4.1870 3 w, Mary Walker 9.10. 1873 2y 5m )

Rgds   Matt.
PS Palm Oil is still being imported into Liverpool Docks now.
Title: Re: Anthony Conning kirkcudbright
Post by: clematised on Wednesday 17 November 10 23:54 GMT (UK)
Hello Matt,

It is hard trying to follow this message, but I do know about Palm Oil as I personally was employed for many years refining the oil myself in Liverpool after an equal opps struggle in an Edible Oil Refinery in the 80s now closed down

I will have to re read the thread tomorrow

Thank you

Edna
Title: Re: Anthony Conning kirkcudbright
Post by: clematised on Thursday 18 November 10 00:10 GMT (UK)
Matt Where are the MI's for Kircudbright, are the available on line

Edna