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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Flintshire => Topic started by: Rosedale on Sunday 25 March 07 12:36 BST (UK)
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Searching for a Mary Catherine Messham born in 1897 who married a Richard Rosedale in 1915. Can anybody give me anymore information? I'd love to find out more about her childhood - siblings and so on but I couldn't find anything when I was out.
Also searching for family of a Mary Elizabeth Messham, born the same year (searching for somebody else), I think around Ewloe/Buckley area. Can anybody give me info on her parents and siblings?
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Hi There...
Haven't found Mary Ann Messham yet, but this is Mary Elizabeth (the only one)
1901
Lane End , Prince of Wales Row, Buckley
William Messham / 46 / coal miner
Mary / wife / 37
Bertha / daughter / age 9
Edith / daughter / age 6
MARY E / daughter / age 4
Lily / daughter / age 1
Do you have the marriage certificate of your Mary and Richard,
this will give fathers name and occupation.
The name Messham, goes back quite a long time in the area. I have Parish registers of Hawarden, and they are mentioned in the 1727-1741, if that is any good to you in the future....
Will have a look for Mary Ann...name could be mistranscribed..
Best wishes
JeannieR
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It's a Mary Catherine, not Anne. I don't have a marriage certificate, no. I've traced Richard's family and I know he didn't move out of the area at all and settled in Flintshire too. I also know she was definitely born in 1879 - but I don't know anything about her family.
Thanks for the info on Mary Elizabeth though :)
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Hi again...
Most have been a senior moment !!
I have found her birth registration
Mary Catherine Messham/ March 1897 / Holywell / vol 11b page 224
But nothing at all on the census yet. There are not may Mary Messhams at all in Flintshire of about that age....If it is there, something has gone dreadfully wrong !!
JeannieR
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Oh, I did mean 1897 sorry, not 1879 obviously. Anyway, that's definitely her - But no census of 1901 to back her up. She's definitely in the area though so I don't know what's going on - she married a Rosedale in 1915. She died young in 1936. But because of the lack of census, there's nothing to fill in any gaps - or to know anything of her background.
The only thing I can think of is that for some reason it's simply just not there, or because Messham's not spelt right? I don't know.
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Eureka !!!
Found her .........
Mistranscribed as McOcham , but written Measham on the image !
(There are 259 Marys' born 1897-1898 in Holywell...tried them all )
RG13 / 5214 / 170 / 31
Spor Green , Holywell .
Richard Jenkins / head / age 38 / man in brickworks
Mary A Jenkins / wife / age 28
Samuel McOcham/ Measham / age 8 / Stepson
Mary McOcham / Measham / age 4 / Step Daughter
All born Buckley
Mary Ann MESSHAM/ Richard Jenkins / Dec 1899 / Holywell / vol 11b page 413
I am glad I found that .
Best Wishes
JeannieR
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Thank you very much. I see they're down as stepchildren. Yet another twist.
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Rosedale....
I looked for "Messham" deaths 1897-1899 . Only one male.....
William Messham / age 28 / Holywell / Mar 1899 / 11b page 177
William MESSHAM / Mary Ann GRIFFITHS / Holywell / Dec 1890 / vol 11b page 470......
JeannieR
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Do you think that could be Mary C's brother? Or a longshot?
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No , I think WILLIAM MESSHAM, was her father......her brother was called Samuel (age 8 , living with stepfather 1901 )
WILLIAM was 28 when he died , the same age as Mary Cs, mother , Mary Ann , who married Richard Jenkins , later the same year........
Gets confusing doen't it ?
JeannieR
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Oh!! Extremely confusing
I didn't even mean to write Mary C either, I meant Mary. Heh. I see what you mean. I definitely think that's right. And I now feel like I'm actually getting somewhere with the Messham's- even if it is just 6 individuals. :)
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I've just quickly scoured Familysearch. There are 2 William Messham's, this one is more probable with the Link to Samuel although it says Mold, and spelt Mesham;
Samuel Mesham - Head - 46 - Mold - Coal Miner
Mary - Wife - 44 - Mold - Coal Miner's Wife
Ralph - Son - 21 - Mold - Coal Miner
Samuel - Son - 17
Sarah - Daur - 14
Jane - Daur - 13
WILLIAM - Son - 9
Catherine - Daur - 7
There's another though, But I think that's the most likely...
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I just found this thread, so I don't know if you are still looking for these Messhams. If you are we have quite a bit on them. Samuel (born 31 July 1836) was the son of Ralph Messham (1797) and Elizabeth Hughes. Both Samuel and Ralph were born in Hawarden (I know Samuel says Mold in the 1881, but he says Hawarden in the earlier Censuses). You may have trouble finding them in some of the censuses - on Ancestry.co.uk Samuel is transcribed in the 1871 as 'Sasabel Mepham', and his brother Ralph is also down as Mepham, while his father is 'Ralph Micham'!!!
We have a further 3 generations of Messhams going back before Ralph - Edward (1758), Ralph (1728) and William, along with their families. Our line descends from Edward's youngest son, Joseph.
If you are interested in the info we have, plese let me know.
Best wishes,
Richard
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Hi Rick......
And welcome to Rootschat.
Don't knw if it is any help to you, but Ralph Messham was baptised on January 12th 1728. His father was William , and their abode was Ewloe........
William Messham married Ellin Lowe, November 12th 1726.
I have the Parish Registers (not all ) 1697-1820 If I can help in the future, please ask...
Regards
JeannieR
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Thanks Jeannie,
We looked up the PRs a few years ago, so we have got those dates, but we have got William down as marrying Catherine Edwards, not Ellin Lowe... have we mistranscribed it?
Richard
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Thanks Richard & Jeannie, I've just sent you a personal message. I'm impressed by how far back you've got! I only got to about 1820. I'd love any extra information I can get.
Lisa.
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Hi,I have just found this thread! hope there is someone still logged in to it!
My Grandmother is/was the Bertha Messham mentioned in this thread.
She married George William Skelton about 1912, in Co.Durham.
My Father told me of William Henry Messham, he called him ,'Uncle', but not sure if he was a brother , or, was actually a cousin Of Bertha.
I do know he was sent to Canada from some sort of institute or home....
returning later with as my dad described " a roll of notes"so must have made a good living out there!