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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Ayrshire => Topic started by: A Whiteford on Friday 30 March 07 09:40 BST (UK)
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I posted seeking information about 2 years ago about the family of Thomas Wyllie. The only information I had at that time was an IGI listing with the following children:
Margaret Wylie Birth: 12 FEB 1813
Christening: 14 FEB 1813 Dunlop, Ayr, Scotland
John Wylie Birth: 18 APR 1815 Dunlop, Ayr, Scotland
Thomas Wylie Birth: 14 MAY 1817 Dunlop, Ayr, Scotland
David Wylie Birth: 22 JUN 1819 Stewarton, Ayr, Scotland
Jean Wylie Birth: 16 SEP 1821 Stewarton, Ayr, Scotland.
Jean was my g grandmother. She married James Whiteford in Campbeltown in 1849 and in 1852 they migrated to Australia. I have details of the family in Australia.
Margaret married Robert KERR. The information below on that families connections were kindly provided to me by other listers. Robert KERR (i) b.1808 m. Margaret WYLLIE 25 May 1837(?) d. 12 Nov 1880.
Margaret WYLLIE (possibly second wife). Children -
Jane b. 1838
Margaret x. 31 May 1840
Mary x. 24 Jul 1842
Robert (ii) b. 16 Nov 1844 m. Elizabeth HAMILTON.
Elizabeth HAMILTON b. 1845 d. 16 Jun 1888
Janet x. 18 Apr 1847 m. Archibald GRAY 23 Dec 1875
d. 21 Sep 1935 *
Archibald GRAY b. 01 Jan 1841 d. 22 Apr 1918 (second
wife).
John b. 02 Sep 1849
James x. 01 Mar 1852 m. Janet ????? before 1881
Elizabeth x. 25 Jun 1854
I have since found that Thomas was born around 1787 in Dunlop. He farmed at Caddel Farm in Ardrossan (there at the 1841 Census), East Muirshiel and Skellyhill which his daughter Jean referred to as Skylahill in a newspaper article in Australia on her golden wedding anniversary.
The 1841 Census at Caddel Farm lists a Jean and a Janet Wylie separately, born around the same year. There was a family history story about a twin who migrated to the US. I will need to do further research on ScotslandsPeople to see if they were twins or perhaps cousins.
I was lucky enough to find details of Thomas's marriage in April 1806 at Kilmaurs to Jane/Jean Morton daughter of George Morton and Jane/Jean Wotherspoon. I believe George and Jane married in 1754 at the Associate Sessions in Lanark. Their granddaughter Jean mentions in some family documentation that George had a place called Skylahill in Ayrshire. This may have been Skellyhill Farm.
I have found Thomas's inventory following his death on 1 October 1845. He was still at Caddel farm at that time. Because of information in the inventory I found out about George, his oldest son. George was born at Bowhouse on 1 December 1808 and christened on 4 December.
There is still a gap between George in 1808 and the next child shown on IGI, Margaret in 1813 however, I am working on that.
I am interested in information about Ayrshire farming families and especially in making contact with people who may be descended from other Wyllie relations.
I would be happy to share my information, including documentation, with any people with an interest in the family. I am especially interested in finding photos of the family, mentions in local history archives/books or photos of the farms if they exist now. I have a copy of postcard sent to Australia to Jane Wyllie's grandughters and a couple of other items of family interest.
Thaks all
Anne Whiteford
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Just as a matter of interest, my 2xgreat grandfather was farming Caddel farm in the 1851 census. The family were there until my great grandfather left in 1890 to go to England and farm there. As far as I know there is no connection with Wyllie but maybe there is. Regards Jean
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Thomas died in 1845 at Caddel. His daughter Jean who was at Caddel as a 15 year old in 1841 married James Whiteford in 1849 in Campbeltown. George Wylie was also there in 1841 and I assume he worked the farm, so I'm not sure what happened to him and where he went after his father's death.
What were the families there in 1851? It would be interesting to see if they had any connections.
Anne
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Hello Ann
My Ancestors who farmed at Caddell were the McLauchlan family. They were there until they left to come to England. At that time, in the 1880'/1890s the agriculture in the east of England was in trouble and workers were leaving to go to the north where there were more jobs available in the mines etc.
Last year I went to Scotland to see where they came from. I have photo's of Caddell Farm and also of Girthill farm which is where my Grandmother came from. It is only about 10 minutes away.
As far as I know there is no connection with the Whyllie family but anything is possible. The owner of Caddell Farm now found quite a lot of items connected with the McLauchlan family but alas he burnt it all as he thought it was of no value! I could have cried!!. He was a very nice man and we had a long chat.
Do contact me if you think we might be able to connect somewhere. Meanwhile ghood hunting and I will look at the information I have so far.
Jean
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I wonder if we may have a connection. A friend have the following Wyllies in our families.
Margaret Wyllie 1823-1909 married George NAIRN 1820-1871 They came to New Zealand on the Lord Buleigh in 1856.
George NAIRN was one of nine children. It appears the Nairns were from the Parish of Dunlop, County of Ayrshire.
Also interested to learn who were the parents of Helen Wyllie born 09 Aug 1846 in Mauchline Ayrshire who married a Cuthbert Nairn on 29 Apr 1824 in Mauchline Ayrshire. Cutherbert was born 02 Feb 1824 Fenwick Ayrshire.
Their children were:
1. Jean Whyllie NAIRN b: 14 May 1847 Mauchline
2. Cuthbert NAIRN born 22 Mar 1849 Mauchline
3. Elizabeth Kerr NAIRN born 03 Feb 1851 Mauchline
4. William Wyllie NAIRN born 07 Dec 1853 Mauchline
5. Janet NAIRN b: 24 Apr 1858 Sorn Ayrshire
6. Hugh Whyllie NAIRN born 03 May 1861 Ochitree Ayrshire.
Another query: were Helen Wyllie born 09 Aug 1824 and Margaret Whyllie born
1823 sisters please.
Thank you,
Tiffaney
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Hi Tiffaney
Apols - have just come back to the board after a long absence. I don't know about a connection unfortunately. It's great to make them though.
Do you know anything about Margaret's parents? Do you have Margaret's death cert to show who they were? I know my Margaret's were Thomas and Jean. I have some information on them if they're the right couple for your Margaret, but the surname Wyllie was very common in Ayrshire.
I am interested in the Elizabeth Kerr Nairn because of the Kerr/Wyllie connection I noted in my email below. Hope to hear back from you.
Cheers
Anne
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[Also interested to learn who were the parents of Helen Wyllie born 09 Aug 1846 in Mauchline Ayrshire who married a Cuthbert Nairn on 29 Apr 1824 in Mauchline Ayrshire. Cutherbert was born 02 Feb 1824 Fenwick Ayrshire.
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Tiffany
Helen Wyllie's parents were William Wyllie and Jean Richmond.William and Jean are my 4x gt Grandparents.I don't have a Margaret born to William and Jean but there is a gap of 5 years between John b. 1819 and Helen b. 1824 so it's just possible Margaret could have been born in there sometime.
My tree is on GR if you're a member look me up.
Janet
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I am interested in the parents of Elisabeth Wylie/Wyllie who married William Shields, Nov. 27, 1824 Stewarton. They had a son William Shields who was born Apr. 16. 1826. I have not been able to find out when either parent died but it was before 1850 when the young Wm. came to the US. I am trying to make a connection of Elisabeth Wylie/Wyllie to the family a John Wyllie. Thank you.
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I have a Wylie family member who farmed Mossend farm Kilbirnie.
Alexander Wylie married to Margaret Crighton / Creichton their daughter
Margaret Wylie born1828 is my GGGrandmother she was married to Robert Archibald my GGGrandFather 1850 he died in 1861 and she remarried James Donald 1866 they went to NZ to live around 1868.
thankyou
Annie Fletcher nee Archibald
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Hi
I am researching a John [Dunlop] Wylie (Wyllie) who arrived in NSW in late 1823 on the Greenock. I can't work out his familial relationship with the astronomer James Dunlop. But there seems to have been one - as letters were sent to James Dunlop care of John Wylie and John Dunlop Wylie named his farm at Kembla Grange (near Dapto bordering Lake Illawarra "Dunlop Vale". I would love any help in sorting out the connection between the two - and also John Wylie's connexion with the famous [John Dunmore Lang} family who came out on the same boat in 1823.
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Hi,
I am new to this site. I am interested in knowing anything further about the William Shields b. 1826. I am related to the Shields of Ayrshire (Irvine, Newmilns, Galston, Stewarton) and those from Glasgow. In our tree we have the Frews and Wyllies so would appreciate any information. Many thanks.
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The OPRs of Galston -which are missing from the LDS micro film - in 1819 has two Wyllies mentioned.
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Hi and many thanks for the records. I wonder how many other Galston records are not on LDS?
Regards,
Debbie Rea
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Hi Deborah, there are a total of 150 births missing in the microfilm records of Galston OPRs,from January 1818 to the 9th of April 1820. If you need any more names checked let me know.
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Hello Ann
My Ancestors who farmed at Caddell were the McLauchlan family. They were there until they left to come to England. At that time, in the 1880'/1890s the agriculture in the east of England was in trouble and workers were leaving to go to the north where there were more jobs available in the mines etc.
Last year I went to Scotland to see where they came from. I have photo's of Caddell Farm and also of Girthill farm which is where my Grandmother came from. It is only about 10 minutes away.
As far as I know there is no connection with the Whyllie family but anything is possible. The owner of Caddell Farm now found quite a lot of items connected with the McLauchlan family but alas he burnt it all as he thought it was of no value! I could have cried!!. He was a very nice man and we had a long chat.
Do contact me if you think we might be able to connect somewhere. Meanwhile ghood hunting and I will look at the information I have so far.
Jean
Hello Jean,
I am extremely interested to learn from you about the McLauchlans at Caddel Farm .
Thankyou,
Tiffaney
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I am interested in the parents of Elisabeth Wylie/Wyllie who married William Shields, Nov. 27, 1824 Stewarton. They had a son William Shields who was born Apr. 16. 1826. I have not been able to find out when either parent died but it was before 1850 when the young Wm. came to the US. I am trying to make a connection of Elisabeth Wylie/Wyllie to the family a John Wyllie. Thank you.
Hi I'm tracing a John from Dunlop Aryshire Scotland. He had married a Margaret ? I'm looking for any information on ALEXANDER WYLIE ............ on 6-7-1791 in Dunlop, Ayreshire, Scotland. His father was JOHN ............ name was Wylie but I doubt it. Alexander's siblings were: JEAN, DAVID, JANET, MARY, ELIZABETH, JOHN, ............ graves but no one recalls a Wylie family living in Dunlop save for one gentleman who told me ............ they had a farm on the Dunlop Estate next to Dunlop House. Any help would be ......
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Hi Clementina, Tiffaney and any others researching Shields, Dunlops, Wylies of Ayrshire.
I am related to all of them however I have only just got home after a 24 hour trip from the U.S. to the UK. Please feel free to email me at *
Regards,
Debbie
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Hi Debbie I would love to compare notes when you get rested up. I tried to get to your email my yahoo is expired and didn't let me make a new one.I'm searching John and Margaret Wylie that had kids in Dunlop ,ALEXANDER WYLIE ............ on 6-7-1791 in Dunlop, Ayreshire, Scotland.
Alexander's siblings were: JEAN, DAVID, JANET, MARY, ELIZABETH, JOHN,
Alexander married abt 1801 Janet/Jean Clark/e born in Outwith?. They had kids in Dunlop, Andrew a farmer on his marriage to (Agnes Pollock daughter of James and Agnes Gilmour.) Alexander and Janet's other kids were Jean, Andrew, Hugh, Elizabeth, John, John not a repeat, and maybe a Robert .
Andrew married Janet in Church of Scotland in Stewarton.They had kids,
Hugh married Margaret Brown. Other family names who married this families were, Jacks of Barrhead, Cunningham's, Mair, Brown and more.any info from anyone appreciated as I have not proof or verifed info.thanks, Barb
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At the moment my internal clock is upside down! I am now awake at 01:15!!! So, I will stay awake a little longer and then hit the bed!
Not sure what you mean that your yahoo has expired. To my knowledge yahoo emails don't expire.
Where are you living - I am in the UK and go up to Scotland at least once a year to do research.
Regards
Debbie
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My Yahoo! account has been de-activated not expired same thing it won't let me in. I tried new info but when It says my email it says already in use :( That's ok I'll keep digging thanks, Barbara
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Researching my Paterson/Kerr lines of Ayrshire and have just discovered whilst looking at my Paterson Line in the 1891 Census, Marion Paterson, daughter of Andrew and Marion Paterson married a Wiley and had a son Samuel born about 1889.
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Don't know whether you will get this as it appears to be some years since you last posted. I was at Caddell farm in September 2015 and have photos of the farm as it is now if you would like them. I spoke to the farmer Robert Reid and his wife. His grandfather took over the farm either in 1911 or 1915, I can't quite remember which just now. He mentioned Spiers MacLauchlin as holding the farm prior to his grandfather taking it over. He also knew that there were Wyllies there at some point prior to that. My g g grandfather Thomas Wylie was there from at least 1837 when his daughter Margaret's banns note he was the daughter of Thomas Wyllie of Caddell farm. Thomas died there in 1845 and I have his inventory from ScotlandsPeople. The family then moved to Campbeltown and farmed there. Anyhow if you would like photos of the farm, including what the farmer said was the original part of the farm building let me know.
Regards Anne
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My search for Alexander Wylie who married Janet Clark. The search took me to their marriage and kids. Their son Andrew at time of marriage lived a farmer in Dunlop. His wife Agnes Gilmour. They had a family in Stewarton, Ayshire, Dunlop, Paisley, Renfrewshire, Neilson Parish. These places all seem close to each other right? I still only have a newspaper article that says Andrew and Agnes immigrated with thought to be maybe 5 kids. Another son born in Albion now Stel;larton Nova Scotia Canada. Andrew and Agnes headstone said they were born in Neilson Parish. A daughtr Grace age 20 and single buried with them. I would love to see the farm and photos you mentioned. Any help is appreciated. Alenander was a miner and in Albion Mines is where Andrew and a son worked in. I can only assume the year of immigration. Andrew doesn't show up on any lists of passengers yet that gives miners going to work in the mines in Stellarton now. thank you
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Hello Ann
My Ancestors who farmed at Caddell were the McLauchlan family. They were there until they left to come to England. At that time, in the 1880'/1890s the agriculture in the east of England was in trouble and workers were leaving to go to the north where there were more jobs available in the mines etc.
Last year I went to Scotland to see where they came from. I have photo's of Caddell Farm and also of Girthill farm which is where my Grandmother came from. It is only about 10 minutes away.
As far as I know there is no connection with the Whyllie family but anything is possible. The owner of Caddell Farm now found quite a lot of items connected with the McLauchlan family but alas he burnt it all as he thought it was of no value! I could have cried!!. He was a very nice man and we had a long chat.
Do contact me if you think we might be able to connect somewhere. Meanwhile ghood hunting and I will look at the information I have so far.
Jean
Hello Jean,
I am extremely interested to learn from you about the McLauchlans at Caddel Farm .
Thankyou,
Tiffaney
Hi Jean and Tiffaney,
new to roots chat I hope I can still chat with you. I have a McLauchlan family connection and my research has taken me to Caddell Farm from 1861 and 1871 census. I believe Robert McLauchlan took over the farm from his father John. I did trace a Robert to England and wondered if he was the same. your comments Jean seem to indicate he is. My connection is to Robert's youngest brother Charles. He emigrated to Canada in about 1877, first to New Brunswick then to British Columbia. I have just begun my family search and I am just finding this branch of my family. Any information you have about Robert and Charles parents..I think John McLauchlan and Janet Speir... I would appreciate.
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Some very early Wylies appearing in my family history
John Bankhead (labourer?) born circa 1760, married Janet Wylie 20/12/1791 and had a son Hugh baptised in Irvine on 2nd Dec 1792.
A Grissell Bankhead “in Hill of Kilmaurs” raised an action against two members of the Wylie family on 18/7/1672 (National Records of Scotland RH11/19/3/177)
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Very interesting thread. I went to school with one of the Reids of Cadel Farm. We also had a teacher called Mr Wylye. Wonder if there was a connection.
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Hi anyone researching James WYLLIE who married Christian MACDOUGAL in 1785 Fenwick
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Link to another thread to save duplication
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=722757.new#new
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I do not know if this is any help, but it was on a census that my family the Yuile was on.
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Crofthead Street , Saltcoats , Ardrossan , Ayrshire.
James Wyllie 37 Seaman b. Saltcoats Ayrshire
James Wyllie 37 Seaman b. Saltcoats Ayrshire
Catherine Wyllie 37 wife born Saltcoats Ayrshire
James Wyllie 4 Son b. Ardrossan Ayrshire
Jessie Wyllie 8 Daughter b. Saltcoats Ayrshire
Peter Wyllie 1 Son b. Ardrossan Ayrshire
Copy & Paste edited , please transcribe the Census information.