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Title: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: patannk on Saturday 31 March 07 07:24 BST (UK)
I once read that most people rarely moved more than 20 miles from where they were born, before the 1841 census; the exception being a move to London or across the seas, for the most adventurous?

I have been looking at the 1841 Stokenchurch families, to see whether they moved away and where they went to..... and what was their occupation?
Most of the men were Ag. Labs or in the chair making industry, while the women were doing lacemaking. When they moved away, did they continue in these occupations or did they try something new?

I would love to hear from anyone who has "Stokenchurch Siblings", especially those who moved away and across the seas in the 19th century.
 ::)

Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: Maddie on Saturday 31 March 07 22:00 BST (UK)
Hi

I have a 3rd greatgrandmother Elizabeth North born Stokenchurch 1783. She married in Stokenchurch to George Hester in 1809 but all their children were born either Aston Rowant or Nuffield.

Not much movement there I'm afraid & they all seem to have stayed working on the land. :) Pretty much the norm for my lot. ;)

Regards
Maddie
Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: patannk on Sunday 01 April 07 09:04 BST (UK)
I came across a number of Hesters and Norths in the parish records!
Your Elizabeth North and George Hester m. 27 Nov 1809, didn't they?

Sadly, the 1841 census only says if people are born "in county" or not, so I have had to look at the 1851 to find out where they came from or to where they moved...
So far a large number of families only moved a few miles away; Radnage, Aston Rowant, Lewknor, Ibstone, Bledlow, Chinnor, Princes Risborough etc being frquently mentioned.
Then some went as far as Marlow, Reading, Henley on Thames, Wheatley, Marcham,  Thame, High Wycombe.... and of course a number ended up in London.

I hope some of our ancestors made their way to Australia, New Zealand, America and South Africa? I would like to think they are spread across the globe..... 8)

Regards,
patannk.
Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: willow276 on Sunday 01 April 07 17:04 BST (UK)
I have just come across this discussion and note the mentions of both Dobbins and George Bartholomew, both of which I am interested in. I have a Sarah Dobbins in the Stokenchurch area - cannot find her in the 1841 census and my first sighting of her is 1842. She died in Surrey in 1854, widow of John Dobbins farmer, and was buried in Stokenchurch. Ring any bells?

My records of George William Bartholomew (the name of both father and son) span from 1841 and they seemed to move all over the place but with strong connections to Stokenchurch and Watlington.

Would be happy to share information.

Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: patannk on Sunday 01 April 07 21:10 BST (UK)
I saw the burial record for Sarah Dobbins in 1854, but do not know of a John Dobbins from the area.
What was Sarah's maiden name?
What other info do you have about the family?..... I am curious about them....

 I have not come across many Dobbins families from the Oxford/Berks/Bucks area.
Plenty from further west, in Gloucester/Hereford.... and many made it to London.

My g.g.g.grandfather, Henry Dobbins m. Sarah Pitkin in London and I think they both died there.
Sarah Pitkin had a sister, Isabella, who married George Bartholomew in 1831 at Stokenchurch, c. their children while living in Watlington, then moved to Hemel Hempstead etc.
I have tracked various members of the family all over the country, through the censuses.
 :)
Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: willow276 on Sunday 01 April 07 22:57 BST (UK)
This is getting VERY interesting - particularly the fact that there is a relationship between Dobbins and Bartholomew. I should mention that I have digressed at this point from family history to house history....

In 1842 George Bartholomew owned a cottage, garden and buildings in Beacon's Bottom, Stokenchurch which was occupied by Sarah Dobbins. In 1858 he was still the owner (when he was described as Gentleman) and also in 1864 - when it was occupied by Richard Way.

A George Bartholomew died in 1878 in Fulham, following which the lease was transferred in 1881 from George William Bartholomew to Thomas/Alfred Leadbetter for 21 years (by this time it was the village beerhouse). George William Bartholomew (presumably junior) died in 1892 in Kingston.

I assume that you have followed the Bartholomews round in the censuses from Watlington to Hemel Hemstead to Harrow to Kingston. I have not been able to find them in the 1861 census, but some of the children were born around then in Fulham.

As for the Dobbins, I have not been able to find out much. Sarah Dobbins was occupying the property in 1842 (Tithe notes) although I can't find her in the 1841 census. In the 1851 census she was a Visitor (born Stokenchurch c1807, but don't know her maiden name as haven't been able to find her marriage) in Southwark where she was described as "Landed Proprietor". She died on 1.8.1854 at 45 Gravel Lane, Southwark aged 48, widow of John Dobbins Farmer. I see that the informant was a Mary Kingwell - am I dreaming, or was this one of your surnames of interest as well?

I haven't been able to find any more details about John Dobbins at all. Where in London did Henry Dobbins marry Sarah Pitkin? - it would be neat if it were Southwark!

I am thinking along the lines now that the house perhaps originally belonged to the Pitkin family as the Bartholomews did not appear to be local. Having said that, Bartholomew Tipping was a local benefactor around then and I wonder whether there was a connection. There are certainly Pitkins still around now, I think.

I look forward to your further thoughts.

Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: patannk on Monday 02 April 07 07:30 BST (UK)
How very interesting to know that George Bartholomew owned property in the area!
In Pigot's 1830 Oxfordshire Directory, George is listed as a Grocer of High Street, Watlington. They were still in Watlington by 1841.
George Bartholomew was c. 16 Jul 1797 at Streatley, Berks, by the way.
He was living at 46 Waltham Grove, Fulham in 1871 and died there in 1878, leaving his personal effects of less than £6000 to his son George Wiliam Bartholomew, of Gravesend.
George Snr (a retired grocer) was down in Frome, Somerset in 1861..... his dau, Isabella Mary m. Francis J Knight frome Frome.

I am very interested in the fact that a Sarah Dobbins was living in his property. I shall have to think this through and see what info I have that  could shed light on this.... but my Sarah Dobbins was George's sister-in-law.........
Her husband and children were at Stokenchurch for 1841 census, but Sarah wasn't.

The Dobbins marriages took place at St Bartholomew the Great; Henry married Sarh Pitkin on 12 Jul 1824 (see IGI). [There was a John m. there in 1787 to a Mary, but I haven't found out who he is related to yet].
But do not despair, my Dobbins and Kingwell connections were living in Southwark at that time.... ;D
Let me check out that address you gave and see if Gravel Lane was near them.
I will also see which Mary Kingwell could have been involved in this saga.
To be continued........
Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: Mo C on Friday 10 August 07 14:08 BST (UK)
I have just come across your message (I've been chasing my Irish relatives) My gt.gt.grandfather was born in Birmingham but married in Stokenchurch, he was John Clough Dudley and his bride was Mary Ann Jones, they married in St.Peter and St.Pauls on 25.12.1820.  Seven of their eight children were born there and then they moved to West Wycombe as it was known then were their last daughter was born.  My gt.grandfather, William, was their youngest son, he married Ann Bennell who lived 2 doors away in Stokenchurch, although they married in High Wycombe.  When Mary Ann died, John married Sarah Bennell, mother of Ann.  In later years he was paralized and returned to Stokenchurch where he died on 1.1.1879.  He was a turner and chair maker. his four sons followed him into that trade, although one dropped out to become a clock and watch repairer.

I was also interested to read of the Dobbins family as I have visited the chair museum in High Wycombe and there are photo's of a Mr. Dobbins who was a fireman in the area and a very formidable looking Mrs. Dobbins who taught lace making to young girls in Stokenchurch.

Hope this is of interest, incidently I have a CD of the 1851 census if it is of any use to you I could do look-up's.

Cheers, Maureen.

Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: patannk on Friday 10 August 07 18:47 BST (UK)
Good to hear from you...

I have the OFHS Parish Records CD for Stokenchurch, so have come across the Dudleys and the Bennells.
I have made my own index of the parish records, for easy access... so all the family names found there, are like old friends? (I haven't got round to the burial records yet.... was more interested in the marriages and births, so I started with them.
I have just finished indexing all the residents of Stokenchurch in the 1841 and 1851 censuses and am now working on the 1851 ones listed as born at Stokenchurch, but living elsewhere.
So many strange transcriptions of names and places, if you know who the people actually are?

I seem to be related to most of the village, so I am working on a "Village Family History" and daily adding more threads to the tapestry of village relationships, linked in some way to me!
I don't have any Bennells or Dudleys in my tree, YET.... I am working on it!

I was very interested to hear about the Dobbinses at the High Wycombe chair museum! My g.g.g.grandfather Thomas Dobbins was a lace dealer, so I wonder who was a fireman?
I had heard there was a Mrs Dobbins who ran a lace school.... maybe the formidable looking woman belongs to my tribe? Did they say when she ran it?

All the Dobbinses who lived at Stokenchurch were related, to the best of my knowledge, so I would love to see the photos.

Have you by any chance come across any other Dobbinses in your journeys through West Wycombe/High Wycombe records?
There were a few deaths listed in the NBI, I think, but one family definitely was in the censuses at High Wycombe, but I don't know where they came from....
Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: Mo C on Saturday 11 August 07 09:23 BST (UK)
Thank you for your quick reply.  From my notes my family were members of the Independent Church in Stokenchurch as were the Bennells. That church has been knocked down now and Lloyds Bank occupies the site.  It was founded in 1823 with help from members of the congregation.  John Clough Dudley and Mary Ann Jones were married in St. Peter and St. Pauls because I believe everyone , with the exception of the Quakers and Jews had to be, their witnesses were James Jones (brother of Mary Ann?) Cicilie Strange and Phillip Strange. I got a print out at a Family History Fair  organized by Bucks FHS. I must go over to Aylesbury Records Office soon, they have so much in there. I've been somewhat disorganized since my husband died some two years ago when I let things lapse.  I must pull my socks up and get back to business.
Hope to hear from you soon.
Cheers, Maureen.
Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: patannk on Saturday 11 August 07 16:22 BST (UK)
I too have plans to go up to Aylesbury, to check out other nearby parishes in Bucks, for my missing relatives.
I spent a day in Oxford, a year or two ago (at the Oxfordshire Studies Centre) and found their online indexes very helpful.  There was just too much to take in, in such a short time?

Have you read the book "Stokenchurch in Pespective" editors: CJH Starey and PG Viccars. It gives one a very interesting insight into village life over the years.
I remember seeing a John Bennell, listed as one of the members of the first Parish Council in 1894.... the book also mentioned  Bennells in the early minute books of the Ancient Order of Foresters.
There are some lovely photos of the lace making and chair making etc in the book too.

It is perfectly natural that your life would get turned upside down, after losing your husband; it takes quite a while to find out who you are and where you want to be going, after such a loss.
I am sure you will soon be hot on the trail, of some fascinating, elusive ancestors?

I was interested to hear that your Stokenchurchers didn't wander too far from home... only as far as High Wycombe.
Many of the Dobbins clan went to London, as did many other families, according to the 1851 census.
I recently heard from someone, who is descended from one of them that made it to Brisbane, Australia!

I see that your John Dudley married on Christmas Day?
I used to think the idea was quite romantic, until someone enlightened me, that the vicar's services were free on Christmas Day!
 So now I smile when I see how many baptisms etc are recorded for that day..... :)
Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: Jaqy on Friday 11 September 09 10:57 BST (UK)
My 2nd Great Grandmother moved from Stokenchurch to Leeds, West Yorkshire.  She moved there with her husband who was born in Radnage.
Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: patannk on Saturday 12 September 09 18:32 BST (UK)
What were their names?
I can then list where she went to, when she left Stokenchurch....
Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: matt94 on Sunday 20 September 09 09:25 BST (UK)
My Bennell's were from Radnage and some moved to Stokenchurch in the 1800's. I have the Parish Registers on Disc from the OFHS.

My gt x 3 grandfather, Edmund, moved from Stokenchurch to Manchester in 1877ish with his newly married second wife. As far as I have researched alot of his cousins (20 or so) moved too, along with tons of other rellies. They were mainly Chair Makers and set up their own business. I can recall one was named 'Jonah Bennell & Son Ltd'.

Matt
Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: matt94 on Sunday 20 September 09 09:28 BST (UK)
Have you read the book "Stokenchurch in Pespective" editors: CJH Starey and PG Viccars. It gives one a very interesting insight into village life over the years.
I remember seeing a John Bennell, listed as one of the members of the first Parish Council in 1894.... the book also mentioned  Bennells in the early minute books of the Ancient Order of Foresters.
There are some lovely photos of the lace making and chair making etc in the book too.

Where can I buy this ?!?!    My rellies are in this book !

Added - Everyone has Bennell's! I am the gt grandson of a Bennell! We are all related somehow........
Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: nessahath on Friday 01 January 10 10:47 GMT (UK)
I once read that most people rarely moved more than 20 miles from where they were born, before the 1841 census; the exception being a move to London or across the seas, for the most adventurous?

I have been looking at the 1841 Stokenchurch families, to see whether they moved away and where they went to..... and what was their occupation?
Most of the men were Ag. Labs or in the chair making industry, while the women were doing lacemaking. When they moved away, did they continue in these occupations or did they try something new?

I would love to hear from anyone who has "Stokenchurch Siblings", especially those who moved away and across the seas in the 19th century.
 ::)


Hi my Dads family were Stokenchurch born and bred, my Dad is not very good at remembering names etc I am looking for the Ashby family that is my Dads, Dad and the Holloway family my Dads Mums family, I believe my Grampy George William Ashby was born in 1907 he dies in 1966 in a carr accident on Dashwood Hill with his son Ronald who was also killed, any information on the Ashby's or Holloway's would be great. Thanks
Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: matt94 on Friday 01 January 10 11:42 GMT (UK)
Hi nessahath,

I have your grandfather's Monumental Inscription here. I have added it below.

Hope it helps.

Matt

~~~

No. 72 - Churchyard Extension, Stokenchurch. Open Book, kerbstone and stone plaque laid flat.
In Memory of a loving Husband and Father George William Asby, Died Tragically 28th Oct 1966, Aged 59 years.
On Plaque:
Also Philip, a darling son and brother died 17 Apr 1972 Aged 17 years. 'Safe in the arms of Jesus'. R. I. P.

And - No. 73 - Churchyard Extension. Open Book with kerbstone.
In loving Memory of a dearest husband and father, Ronald George Ashby, Died tragically 28th Oct 1966 aged 36 Years. 'God Bless'.
Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: nessahath on Friday 01 January 10 14:09 GMT (UK)
Hi Matt

Thank you for that

Regards

Vanessa
Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: edencars on Monday 11 January 10 08:22 GMT (UK)
From about 1830 my family members from Ewelme moved further and further away but not in big leaps, Chips Farm in Stokenchurch Name of HEATH was one place but then got nearer to London, Another farm in Middlesex had a row of cottages for the staff called Heath Row, always wondered if Heathrow derived from that?
Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: opossum167 on Saturday 16 January 10 14:58 GMT (UK)
My ancestors were from Stokenchurch.
Surnames are usually Bird (huge numbers of them!) White Holland Stratford.

Just wondering if anyone could help with information on Arthur Thomas Bird b. 1880 Stokenchurch who married Isabella Larner 29 Dec 1902 at the Primitive Methodist Chapel in Stokenchurch? Apart from this marriage I cannot find any documents about them or their descendants from that date onwards.

Thanks
Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: opossum167 on Saturday 16 January 10 15:02 GMT (UK)
By the way I can go one further.
From roots in Stokenchurch my family ended up in Tasmania where I was born. But full circles happen and I now live in Herts- not too far from my roots.
Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: ashers61 on Monday 22 March 10 13:52 GMT (UK)
I think I may have some information that may help you, I found it whilst searching my 'Ashby' family tree. I live in stokenchurch and have traced my part of the Ashby family back to the mid 1700 so far all come from stokenchurch & radnage.
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Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: gilesstacey on Wednesday 19 May 10 13:21 BST (UK)
a great-great-great-great- uncle Elisha Giles, born Icomb, Gloucestereshire married a Sarah Bird from Stokenchurch in 1827. In the 1841and following Lewknor censuses, they are at Lewknor, farming at "Vicar`s Bottom Farm". I got Lewknor Parish Registers but found Elisha and Sarah plus kids only from 1838 following. So I am assuming that they were in Stokenchurch between 1827 and 1838 with children Ann (circa 1828), William, circa 1830, Elizabeth(circa 1833), Louisa circa 1834, and George, circa 1836 all being baptised in Stokenchurch?
I am also looking for Elisha`s parents - William and Hannah Giles....whether they are in the burial records, perhaps...
can anyone help? thanks
giles stacey
Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: allisont on Wednesday 19 May 10 18:28 BST (UK)
From Ox FHS PRs CD
Baptisms
30.8.1829 William  s Elijah & Sarah, farmer Lewknor
23.8.1832 Elizabeth Martha d Elijah & Sarah, farmer
27.4.1834 Loisa d Elijah & Sarah, farmer Lewknor
11.10.1835 George s Elisha & Elizabeth, farmer Lewknor

Last one doesn't quite match the rest.

Can't see any Giles in the Stokenchurch burials index. Do you know approx when they died, can have a proper look later.
Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: gilesstacey on Wednesday 19 May 10 18:58 BST (UK)
 :) many many thanks for this...this is a huge help!! George having Elizabeth as a mother is a bit strange...either Elisha had been a naughty boy or was an error?
would you happen to know anything about this "Vicar`s Bottom Farm"? - was Elisha farmer at the same place all the time and the parish boundries changed or something?
I would be also extremely interested to find out how Mr Elisha became a farmer (according to 1861 census with 269 acres and employing 6 labourers)...he is a big exception to my usual long line of illiterate ag labs....I couldn`t find any records on Oxfordshire archives directly about that farm...apart from the fact that the farmhouse and a barn are apparently listed buildings...

I was hoping to find Elisha's and my direct ancestor John's parents in the Lewknor area...there is a William Giles death in 1821 in Lewknor but would make him born 1745 and thus 50 yrs old when had first (proven) child in Icomb, which seems a little unlikely. Interesting though is that the burial entry for this William Giles says "Vicar's Bottom" (which made me laugh...)....but there is a gap in the records in Lewknor proper between his death 1821 and then Elisha and Sarah having twins in 1838 which is also given with Vicar`s Bottom...

so my main mystery of William and Hannah Giles remains a bit of a mystery, but my gut feeling tells me there is a good reason, ie. relatives lived in Lewknor area, that at least the two brothers moved to Lewknor and perhaps the whole family.......

if you do find anything else, I would be extremely grateful....perhaps a William and Hannah Giles marriage...that would be the brick-wall destroyer!!
thanks again, all the best
giles   
Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: coombs on Tuesday 25 May 10 20:45 BST (UK)
I have a Matthias Butler in my tree born in Chesterton in about 1788 and I do know a few Matthias Butler's were born in Stokenchurch but have not found a connection yet.

I have an Oxfordshire born ancestor who ended up in London, married there then lived in her husbands home county of Essex. He was a waterman.
Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: coombs on Wednesday 26 May 10 20:27 BST (UK)
Also it is a huge mistake to assume that most people stayed within close proximity to their birthplaces other than to emigrate or to go to London. I have an ancestor who moved from mid Suffolk to south Essex and one from Oxfordshire to Sussex. I also had one who moved from Westmoreland to Durham and this was about 1780.
Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: SusieHK on Saturday 10 July 10 07:18 BST (UK)
My husband's relatives include a raft of people from Stokenchurch. So far we have found some 27 from Sokenchurch itself  with births between1680 and1867. The male line is Bird but the female line incorporates Biggs, Styles, Baker,,Steptoe and House.
In addition to this there are a lot of connections to other villages in the area including Chinnor (mainly Bird and Hopkins and a marriage between Styles and Baker) a couple of the marriages took place in Aston Rowant and there was a good sprinkling of Birds in Ibstone mainly in the 1700's.
Other places that come up include Crowell, Chenies, Oakley, Radnage, Bledlow, Flackwell Heath, Beacons Bottom, Great Milton, Tetsworth, Bicester and Wycombe.
Eventually John Bird (1874) moved out to Camberwell with a Jane Picton from Chalfont St. Giles. Her forebears were Chapman. We are quite short on source data for marriages and for burials though we have some in Stokenchurch. The earliest was a Francis Biggs in 1736 and the latest an Alfred Bird in 1926.
The Birds seemed to have been involved in woodwork in one way or another throughout and my husbands grandfather was no exception. He worked almost all his working life for Lilleywhite Stroud and in later years made high quality sports equipment including Tennis Raquets and Cricket bats.

Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: tekaybe on Tuesday 26 October 10 20:33 BST (UK)
Hi All

I have Messengers and Stratfords mainly from Stokenchurch... Vast majority of them didn't go very far from home!
Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: gcb on Tuesday 28 February 12 11:23 GMT (UK)
Patannk - just seen this thread.  I have information that is not entirely convincing, that my grandfather Edward (b. 1898) was the son of George Rogers, b. Stokenchurch 1860-61, possibly married Elizabeth Bradbury 1880.  Have you come across these names?  Thanks 
Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: Perro on Friday 13 April 12 22:56 BST (UK)
I Have a photo of a Butchers van which has on it A.J. Saw Butchers of Stokenchurch....any interest
Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: Perro on Saturday 14 April 12 12:02 BST (UK)
Hope this photo helps track this family down....the lady who has it amongst her photo's is a Jones by birth....she also has a Saw's Grocer shop in Chiswick too any help would be aprecaited.....

Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: bethrogers on Sunday 22 April 12 09:36 BST (UK)
hello GCB
George Rogers and Elizabeth Bradbury had eleven surviving children and there was an Edward born in 1898 in High Wycombe, as they moved to HW to work in the furniture factories. He married Hilda Parker.
I am another of the great grandchildren!
Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: bethrogers on Sunday 22 April 12 14:43 BST (UK)
I'm descended from a family (Rogers) who were in Stokenchurch from at least the 1790s and were certainly in the 1841 census.  From 1841, Joseph (Ag Lab) and Ann Rogers' eleven children started to disperse. My branch (son George, who also had 11 children) didn't get very far - High Wycombe!  Among my great uncles and aunts, many stayed in HW. One emigrated to Australia, a few got a bit further along the Thames Valley, some are unknown.
Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: gcb on Monday 07 May 12 14:17 BST (UK)
Hello Beth, thanks for your reply.
Obviously I knew Edward well, and you're right, he worked in the furniture factories, and lived in HW until he died.  But strangely I don't recall meeting any of his brothers or sisters, although I knew many of his wife Hilda's siblings.

Do you know much about Elizabeth Bradley?
Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: bethrogers on Monday 07 May 12 17:56 BST (UK)
George Rogers was married to Elizabeth Bradbury who was a lacemaker from Ibstone. I think that it is mis-spelt Bradley on one of the census returns. There are two generations beforehand who lived in Stokenchurch - George's father was Joseph Rogers (wife Ann Edgeworth from Bibury, Gloucestershire) and his father was Samuel Rogers (wife Ann Taylor).
Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: Lrog on Thursday 12 July 12 15:00 BST (UK)
Hello my ancestors came from stokenchurch

I am trying to work out who the parents of my grand parents are,  My grand parents are Leonard Rogers and Rose Cripps,  It is possible but not confirmed that leonard Rogers may be son of George Rogers.  I found this discussion when searching for George.  Anybody here have any information that could help.  Thanks. 
Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: bethrogers on Friday 13 July 12 16:51 BST (UK)
Hello Lrog
George and Elizabeth certainly did have a son called Leonard - I couldn't trace him in the 1911 census so perhaps he moved out of High Wycombe?  The name Rose Cripps sounds familiar - did they marry in about 1910?  I wondered whether Leonard had been involved in WW1.  My grandfather (Albert William) served in the Ox and Bucks in Salonika.
regards
Beth
Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: Lrog on Saturday 14 July 12 00:13 BST (UK)
My grand dad died at the age of 29 from influernza and lived in high wycombe i have the death cert i am also a leonard named alfter him he died in 1918.   Takeing 29 from 1918 gave me the year he was born 1889 so down to the registration  office for a birth cert where i found George and Elizabeth but i am not sure this cert is right. 1910 sounds right for them to get married as he would be about 21.     WW1 i have no information.  All the best len.                                 
Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: gcb on Saturday 14 July 12 09:44 BST (UK)
Beth, thanks for your earlier reply about our great-grandparents George & Elizabeth.  The name of Ann Edgeworth opened up a whole new line of investigation for me, wondering how a girl from Bibury met and married a man in Stokenchurch.  But then I found that her father John Edgeworth married a Maria Rogers...

Lrog, welcome to another g-g-child of George & Elizabeth! So now I learn that one of my grandfather Ted's brothers was Leonard.  Does either of you know if Lance Corporal George Edward Rogers (1887-1915) of 28 Brook St HW was also a brother?  He is remembered on the War Memorial at HW Hospital.  Thanks,

 
Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: Lrog on Saturday 14 July 12 10:29 BST (UK)
There is also 2 rogers on a memorial plaque at little marlow chuch for ww1 which i will try to find out who they are
Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: gcb on Saturday 14 July 12 12:53 BST (UK)
Lrog, re Rogers at Little Marlow - not directly related I think....

http://buckinghamshireremembers.org.uk/memorials.htm

But a fascinating website.
Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: bethrogers on Saturday 14 July 12 17:18 BST (UK)
Dear Second Cousins!
If this George Rogers lived at 28, Brook Street, then he is undoubtedly one of our great-uncles - George and Elizabeth lived there from sometime in the 1900s until WW2. Another second cousin, Nellie Harvey, wrote about her childhood before she died and described a great number of the family living under that roof in the 1920s.  The census returns show George (Snr) and Elizabeth living in Ibstone 1881, living on Copstone Hill, Ibstone (1891), Moved to Downley 1893 (ish) Living in Plomer Green Lane, Downley according to 1901 census, although the cottages known to Nellie Harvey as her mother’s birthplace are now classified as Littleworth Road and are, amazingly, still there. Moved to 28, Brook Street , HW between 1901 and 1911. George (according to my aunt who was a Rogers) worked at nightwatchman during WW2 and played the accordion.
In total there were 11 siblings - Mary Ann (Annie), Thomas, Elizabeth (Lizzie) (emigrated to Australia in 1905), George Edward, Robert (I can't find anything about Robert, although a Robert Rogers had a furniture workshop in Green Street in 1924), Leonard, Daisy, Ellen, Albert William, Edward (Ted), Alfred Ernest (Ernie) and Dorothy (Doll).

re: Ann Edgeworth and Maria Rogers - Maria was born in Burford in Oxfordshire, but because there are no census returns before 1841, I can't trace whether Ann and Joseph were cousins. It seems probably that they were at least second cousins. Maria's father was James Rogers. Joseph Rogers was in service in Gloucestershire - I read that the gentry liked their servants to come from a different county to minimise the effect of their gossip!
Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: bethrogers on Saturday 14 July 12 17:31 BST (UK)
Len,
Sorry I missed your earlier posting. What a tragedy that your grandfather died so young. I've read that the influenza epidemic of 1918-1919 killed more people that WW1. Have you tried freebmd for the marriage date?
Regards
Beth
Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: gcb on Sunday 15 July 12 17:38 BST (UK)
Dear Beth,
Thanks for all this fascinating information.  I'm becoming aware that I'm talking to someone who must have spent a lot of time, and a lot of effort (and probably a bit of money) researching and gathering so much info about the Rogers family, and so I feel a little uneasy trying to pick your brains with the 101 questions I might like to ask!

But I hope you'll let me ask two more questions specifically about my grandpa Ted: firstly, you mention Nellie Harvey's reminiscences about Brook Street in the 1920's, I wonder whether there are any interesting references to Ted and Hilda's marriage in August 1924?  Secondly, as I've said before I knew many of Hilda's siblings well, but I don't recall any mention, ever, of any of Ted's - as far as I was concerned he might as well have been an only child.  And yet I knew him quite well - even stayed with him for a month in 1970 shortly before he died.  So I wonder whether you're aware of him distancing himself from the family for some reason, or perhaps the family distanced itself from him, or perhaps by the 1960's he was the sole surviving sibling?
Best wishes, Graham
Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: Lrog on Monday 16 July 12 12:41 BST (UK)
Dear Beth           i checked the names on little marlow chuch Roll of Honour Plaque for the 1WW  and they are  BERT ROGERS.    FREDERICK  ROGERS.     OWEN  ROGERS.   WILLIAM  ROGERS.     I rung the parish office and asked if they had records of any sort about these people they all been sent to aylesbury. Who in aylesbury do i ring i am new to this family history has you have probably guessed  SO i apologize now for anythink i am doing wrong all the best len.                 
Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: bethrogers on Tuesday 17 July 12 18:05 BST (UK)
hello Len
You should contact the Centre for Buckinghamshire Studies
http://www.buckscc.gov.uk/bcc/archives/centre_for_buckinghamshire_studies.page
which is the archive and family history centre at Aylesbury Museum.
I agree with GCB - I think the Little Marlow family are at least fourth cousins, as they originally
came from Princes Risborough rather than Stokenchurch.
It doesn't help that Rogers was a common name in South Bucks
in the 19th century - the commonest in some parishes. The case of the Little Marlow family
in WW1 is particularly sad - they lost four sons in four different battles. It is difficult for us now to
imagine what it must have been like.
I haven' t been to the Centre for Buckinghamshire Studies myself, but I've heard that they have a lot of
interesting stuff. I would like to see the school and chapel records for Stokenchurch to spot any ancestors'
activities.
One thing you should check - until 1896, Stokenchurch was officially in Oxfordshire - so make sure that
the records you want to examine really are in Aylesbury rather than Oxford.
Good luck!
Beth
Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: starbug501 on Monday 24 February 14 01:34 GMT (UK)
My family in Stokenchurch were Holmes, Adkins, Bennels,Messenger
My Grandfather farmed Chalk Farm which has since been pulled down and is now  housing estate and the Adkins were teachers at the school(originally from Warwickshire)
Some of my family still live in Stokenchurch.Anyone else searching these names.Thank you

Also Britnells
Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: starbug501 on Monday 24 February 14 02:56 GMT (UK)
My family in Stokenchurch were Holmes, Adkins, Bennels,Messenger
My Grandfather farmed Chalk Farm which has since been pulled down and is now  housing estate and the Adkins were teachers at the school(originally from Warwickshire)
Some of my family still live in Stokenchurch.Anyone else searching these names.Thank you

Also Britnells
Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: kimlorna on Friday 30 January 15 16:17 GMT (UK)
Hi nessahath,

I have your grandfather's Monumental Inscription here. I have added it below.

Hope it helps.

Matt

Hi i know this is an old post but i have just found this site.
George Ashby was my Dads uncle, and i remember him showing us where the accident happen.
My Grandparents from both side of my family are from the village, we are Ashby, Lacey. Greens and Lindseys.
Kim
~~~

No. 72 - Churchyard Extension, Stokenchurch. Open Book, kerbstone and stone plaque laid flat.
In Memory of a loving Husband and Father George William Asby, Died Tragically 28th Oct 1966, Aged 59 years.
On Plaque:
Also Philip, a darling son and brother died 17 Apr 1972 Aged 17 years. 'Safe in the arms of Jesus'. R. I. P.

And - No. 73 - Churchyard Extension. Open Book with kerbstone.
In loving Memory of a dearest husband and father, Ronald George Ashby, Died tragically 28th Oct 1966 aged 36 Years. 'God Bless'.
Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: Sharmane Watt on Wednesday 23 September 15 04:23 BST (UK)
I have just found some hand written papers showing George Biggs of Strokenchurch, Bucks, England was a cousin to Edwin William Cripps.  George was a poet, partly to fill in time as a POW during World War I.  He had a small volume published.  He was a proprietor of a chair making establishment at High Wycombe, the area Windsor and other famed furniture was made.  During WW II the government took it over, and among other things manufactured ski's for the Russians.  George had no sons to carry on the business.
George Biggs was a cousin to my husband's great grandfather Edwin William Cripps who was born April 3, 1867 at Harefield, Middlesex, England.
Any information on how George Biggs and Edwin William Cripps are related would be appreciated.
Thanks.
Sharmane Watt - Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: Wayne1951 on Saturday 21 January 17 21:03 GMT (UK)
Hi nessahath,

I have your grandfather's Monumental Inscription here. I have added it below.

Hope it helps.

Matt

Hi i know this is an old post but i have just found this site.
George Ashby was my Dads uncle, and i remember him showing us where the accident happen.
My Grandparents from both side of my family are from the village, we are Ashby, Lacey. Greens and Lindseys.
Kim
~~~

No. 72 - Churchyard Extension, Stokenchurch. Open Book, kerbstone and stone plaque laid flat.
In Memory of a loving Husband and Father George William Asby, Died Tragically 28th Oct 1966, Aged 59 years.
On Plaque:
Also Philip, a darling son and brother died 17 Apr 1972 Aged 17 years. 'Safe in the arms of Jesus'. R. I. P.

And - No. 73 - Churchyard Extension. Open Book with kerbstone.
In loving Memory of a dearest husband and father, Ronald George Ashby, Died tragically 28th Oct 1966 aged 36 Years. 'God Bless'.


I am the son of Ronald George Ashby and spent my early life in Stokenchurch
Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: JoVickery on Wednesday 03 May 17 12:46 BST (UK)
Hi
My Great Grandfather was Frederick William Bird HUNT, he was born in Stokenchurch in 1885. I think his mother was called Fanny – and it is possible her maiden name was BIRD...

In 1911 he had moved to High Wycombe, and his trade was a Bandswayer.

I believe he had a few siblings – and came from a farming family. I wonder if he is related to the Hunt farm in Stonor for instance?
I would love to find any more information on HUNT/BIRD families in Stokenchurch etc and see if I can piece together some more family history.
Many thanks in advance for any help!
Title: Re: Did your ancestor come from Stokenchurch?
Post by: PaulMeulen on Saturday 09 February 19 15:12 GMT (UK)
Hi.

My grandparents had a farm (maybe two) in Stokenchurch but i have struggled to find out which one it was. I think they got the farm from my great grandfather on the Bennell side of the family.

My granparents were
William Joseph James Clarke (Born in Turville) 1910-2007
Mary Susan Bennell 1914-1977

I believe they got the farm from
Edwin Bennell 1873-1943

I know Edwin was married to Rose Hannah Hunt but apart from this i have yet to find more details of their lives. This is just the start of my journey so if anyone has any info or advice for this newbie it would be greatfully received.