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I'm in quite a mess with the Hoggan tree. My grandfather Alexander Hoggan, I have three birth years for May 27, 1871 or 2 or 4. LDS records indicate 1872 and that his parents were Catherine Logan and John Hoggan. I was happy with that! Then I ran into a very distant cousin (maybe) who has researched a fair amount and has different children for Catherine and John, and definitely no Alexander. We do agree on the eldest son Robert Sneddon Hoggan 1856. Alexander Hoggan married Christina Hunter...that I'm sure of, and Alexander had a brother Andrew as they came to Canada together. If the LDS records are correct then family lived in Bothkennar and Denny. If anyone can offer any assistance I could stop chewing the ends off pencils!
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This looks like your Hoggan family in 1881 census
Dwelling: Haggs
Census Place: Denny, Stirling, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203537 GRO Ref Volume 476-2 EnumDist 2 Page 7
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
John HOGGAN M 50 M Denny, Stirling, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Coal Miner
Catherine HOGGAN M 50 F Denny, Stirling, Scotland
Rel: Wife
John HOGGAN U 24 M Denny, Stirling, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Coal Miner
Andrew HOGGAN 10 M Denny, Stirling, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Alexander HOGGAN 8 M Denny, Stirling, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
This could possibly be Robert in 1881
Dwelling: Haggs
Census Place: Denny, Stirling, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203537 GRO Ref Volume 476-2 EnumDist 2 Page 7
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Robert HOGGAN M 24 M Denny, Stirling, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Coal Miner
Margaret HOGGAN M 20 F Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland
Rel: Wife
John HOGGAN 1 M Denny, Stirling, Scotland
Rel: Son
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Thanks, Capricorn! It is likely that the Robert you found is the eldest son (well, according to LDS anyway) of John and Catherine. It's very strange that the John listed as a son in the census doesn't show up anywhere else.
Have you used the scottishpeople site? What should I go for first: birth, death, marriage?
Thank you for your kindness.
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Hope you don't mind me butting in on this thread...
I use Scotlandspeople quite a lot and find it a wonderful site... addictive because of the accessibility to the records...
If it was me i would check the births first... then marriages then deaths also you can look at the images of the census there too...
the Best of luck in your search
Mo
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Butt in all you want, Mo! And Scotlandspeople is where I was tonight. Had quite a bit of difficulty loading the pages, but in the end got my grandparents marriage certificate and birth certificates.
Next question: In parish records I can get dates for older marriages...that's great...but there was no image...if I "order" would I actually get a certificate with parents listed.
I'm out of credits for tonight, but will be at it again!
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Hi, OPR marriage certs. don't have parents names, most you can expect from these are date of marriage, or date it was contracted; names of parties; place or parishes of residence. does,nt even give ages, at least none of the ones I got did.
Good luck
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I have never got any of the certs from the older records.... but to know that they are there is wonderful to me...
do let me know how it works if you order any.. I would really be intersted...
Mo
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Mo and Capricorn...
Yes, it is wonderful to know that they are there..unfortunatethat they don't give more info though :-[
I guess I am stuck now unless there's someone who has a more detailed history than I. I'll fill in the silbings etc. from William Hoggan and Margaret Taylor Hoggan on down that I can, so if anyone needs that, I have it.
I really hope to make a trip to Denny and Bothkennar.....would really love to see the area that all my coal mining and millworking kin came from.
Good luck to you in your searches!
Rosemary
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Hello My name is Roy Hoggan and I live in South Africa. My grandfather John Raymond Hoggan came to S A during the Anglo Boer war and served with the British forces in a mounted regiment. His grandfather was Major George Henry Welland Hoggan who was born in 1835 and died in England in 1892. My grandfather was born in approximately 1876. He had a grand aunt Eleanor who lived in Midlothian Scotland. My grandfather may have been born in India or South America. His people were apparently Scots who served in India. GHW was in the 17th Bengal cavalry. I would like to know who JR's father was. His mother remarried and was Eva F Rowe. She lived in Brixton London at the beginning of the 20 th century. Any help will be appreciated.
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Rosemary,
Have you searched on SP for the death certificates of John HOGGAN and Catherine (LOGAN) HOGGAN? The certificates should list their parents' names - father's name and occupation, and mother's maiden name (if the informant knew these details). Also, do you know that deaths of married women are indexed on SP under both their married and (if known i.e. if listed on the death certificate) maiden surnames.
If you find the names of John's and Catherine's parents, you then might be able to find the deaths of those parents (IF they survived until the time of statutory registration) and this could take you back yet another generation.
Are you aware that there are different types of records in the IGI? There are entries transcribed (under the LDS controlled extraction program) from church registers and statutory registers - these are usually reliable (although it is always wise to check the primary source). There are also entries submitted by members of the LDS church - much more care needs to be taken with these. Sometimes they are reliable but sometimes they are little more than quesswork.
In Scotland, from 1855 (when statutory registration began) until 1875, birth and marriage entries were transcribed into the IGI from the statutory registers - so it's certainly cheaper to search in the IGI first before going to ScotlandsPeople!
Extracted entries for your family seem to be:
John HOGGAN married Catherine LOGAN, 30 Aug 1853, Denny.
This is not a 'marriage certificate' but just an entry extracted from the register of the Parish Church of Denny.
You could order a copy of the full entry from SP (expensive), or you could order in the relevant film to your local LDS Family History Centre and look at the full entry yourself. Usually the entries in the parish register provide very little information (often just the calling of Banns and perhaps not even whether the marriage actually took place!) but sometimes you can get lucky and find further information.
Extracted entries (all from the statutory register) for children of the couple are:
In Denny
*Catherine Snadden 1858 (surname transcribed as HOGGANS)
*Jane 1865
In Bothkennar
*Janet 1868
*Andrew 1870
*Alexander 1872
There are also three entries submitted by members of the LDS:
Robert Sneddor (sic) 1856 and Margaret Taylor 1862, both Denny. Also John 1860 Denny - though the mother's name is rendered as HOGAN.
IF the submitted entries are correct then, looking at the dates of children vis-a-vis the date of marriage, one might suspect that John and Catherine were likely to have had at least one child (possibly not recorded) before statutory registration began.
Why are the extracted entries incomplete in the IGI? I don't know - unless John and Catherine failed to register some children; or perhaps they are hiding under a mistranscription of the surname; or perhaps the transcribers simply missed them. Which of the children did you find on SP? And did you look at the family in the 1871 census there?
Cheers,
JAP
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Had a couple of credits so checked the deaths like Jap advised... found the death of John Hoggan who was married to Catherine Logan Hoggan.... details as follows:-
John Hoggan (Coalminer) Married to Catherine Hoggan nee Logan died November 15th 1891 at 9.50 am at Old Pit Bothkennar aged 61 years of age. His parents names as listed as William Hoggan ( coalminer ) and Margaret Hoggan nee Taylor
Cause of death is listed as:- Bronchitis 10 days; Asthma 6 months; Disease of the heart 2 years as certified by W. Walker MD
Death Registered by John Mannon ( I am not sure of this ) Son in law not present.
Best wishes
Mo
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Mo,
You are always generously spending your credits on others!
The marriage of William and Margaret is in the IGI - but they don't seem to have baptized their children unfortunately (or at least not in the Established Church of Scotland).
William HOGGAN m Margaret TAYLOR, 4 Dec 1827, Denny.
JAP
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Hello My name is Roy Hoggan and I live in South Africa. My grandfather John Raymond Hoggan came to S A during the Anglo Boer war and served with the British forces in a mounted regiment. His grandfather was Major George Henry Welland Hoggan who was born in 1835 and died in England in 1892. My grandfather was born in approximately 1876. He had a grand aunt Eleanor who lived in Midlothian Scotland. My grandfather may have been born in India or South America. His people were apparently Scots who served in India. GHW was in the 17th Bengal cavalry. I would like to know who JR's father was. His mother remarried and was Eva F Rowe. She lived in Brixton London at the beginning of the 20 th century. Any help will be appreciated.
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Greydog.
We are researching the same HOGGAN family. George Welland HOGGAN was the son of John HOGGAN and Frances Willard. John was born in Keir Scotland in 1789 and died in India in 1861. He was the 2nd son of Major George HOGGAn. John died at Davlah, East India. On his Memoerial stone in the Family Cemetery is inscribed"He served honourably through the Nepall in Afghan, the Sikk Campaign. John's son was quite a famous soldier Maj. General J.W.Hoggan. Type this name into Google and you will get his history. He died in Edinburgh on November 23, 1900 aged 67.
We visited the HOGGAN graveyard in Keir Scotland 2 weeks ago.
My huband is also a direcr descendant of this line.
Regards
PBN
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Hi Roy,
Second time I'm starting this note.........hopefully, it won't disappear again. In an effort to connect Hoggans, I've 2600 of them in this groaning computer program of mine. I put in your two names, but didn't come up with anything. I do have the LDS Hoggans from India, so perhaps we could do some matching. Is this a relative of yours: http://www.members.dca.net/fbl/phoggan.html#5
Would love to talk with you more. (*)
Rosemary
Hello My name is Roy Hoggan and I live in South Africa. My grandfather John Raymond Hoggan came to S A during the Anglo Boer war and served with the British forces in a mounted regiment. His grandfather was Major George Henry Welland Hoggan who was born in 1835 and died in England in 1892. My grandfather was born in approximately 1876. He had a grand aunt Eleanor who lived in Midlothian Scotland. My grandfather may have been born in India or South America. His people were apparently Scots who served in India. GHW was in the 17th Bengal cavalry. I would like to know who JR's father was. His mother remarried and was Eva F Rowe. She lived in Brixton London at the beginning of the 20 th century. Any help will be appreciated.
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Hi Moscan......
This is my family, but I think you are responding to the delightful reply from JAP?? I am computer literate, but I really don't understand this site......so I guess I'm not. :)
If you tie into John Hoggan and Catherine Logan, I'd love to talk with you. (*)
Had a couple of credits so checked the deaths like Jap advised... found the death of John Hoggan who was married to Catherine Logan Hoggan.... details as follows:-
John Hoggan (Coalminer) Married to Catherine Hoggan nee Logan died November 15th 1891 at 9.50 am at Old Pit Bothkennar aged 61 years of age. His parents names as listed as William Hoggan ( coalminer ) and Margaret Hoggan nee Taylor
Cause of death is listed as:- Bronchitis 10 days; Asthma 6 months; Disease of the heart 2 years as certified by W. Walker MD
Death Registered by John Mannon ( I am not sure of this ) Son in law not present.
Best wishes
Mo
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Hi JAP,
Thanks for so much for the lengthy reply. I wish you had been around at the beginning of all my Hogganing!
I have the death certificates for both John HOGGAN and Catherine LOGAN HOGGAN. Catherine's parents are listed as Alexander LOGAN and Catherine SNEDDON, but I can find no marriage or death certificates for them.
It's terrific that SP lists a married woman's death under the maiden name too. My paternal grandmother's marriage is actually listed under three names.......what a surprise that was.
LDS has been very useful, but you are quite right, there are errors.
I do have the SP extract for John HOGGAN and Catherine LOGAN and as well John's parents William HOGGAN and Margaret TAYLOR
There was no useful information on either.
I have managed to find all the 10 children of John and Catherine and have birth certificates for all but Agnes HOGGAN who seems to have been the first child -- about 1851 (pre-marriage). I do have her marriage and death certificate.
The children were:
1) Agnes b. abt.1851 d. Dec. 27, 1887 Married to William Cook
Children: Robert, Mary Allan, and Catherine
2) William b. Apr. 6, 1853 d. Apr. 12, 1940 in Esquimalt, BC Canada He was married twice: Maggie Fleming, and Clementina Muirhead. He died living with his sister Margaret, and Clementina died in Scotland. Wonder the why of that one? His children with Maggie Fleming were Jane and John.
3) Robert Sneddon b. Jan. 25, 1856 d. Dec. 21, 1919 in Alberta, Canada. Married to Margaret Easton. Children: John, Janet Cowan, Catherine Logan, George Easton, Robert Sneddon, William Wellington, Margaret Easton, Agnes Easton
4) Catherine Sneddon b. Apr. 2, 1858 married to Archibald Downs. One child found...so far.....John. The rest of their life is still to be found.
5) John b. June 4, 1860 married to Margaret Campbell Easton. I believe they came to Canada as well, but more research to be done.
6) Margaret Taylor b. Dec. 8, 1862 d. Dec. 11, 1941 Esquimalt, BC, Canada. She married John Manson and had these children in Scotland before emigrating: Catherine, Jessie, George, John, and Margaret.
7) Jane b. Mar. 11, 1865 d. May 16, 1950 in Ladysmith, BC Canada. She married James Steel Dick. Children: Catherine, Walter, Elizabeth Steel, John, Jessie, Robert Hoggan Sneddon, Isabella, Ann, Christina Hunter Dick (my cousin, but also my aunt) and James.
8. Janet b. May 10, 1868 d. Nov. 11, 1876 died of typhoid
9. Andrew b. June 13, 1870. This is one that is driving me crazy......I know he emigrated to Canada. He and my grandfather built two hotels in Merritt, BC, and then he seems to have disappeared.
10. Alexander b. May 27, 1872 d. Sept. 19, 1930 (my grandfather). Married Christina Snaddon--Hunter--Stansbury...take your pick. Children: John, Henry Stansbury, James Alexander, (my father) Christina, Mary Jane, and William Daniel Stansbury.
I've checked into the 1871 census, but can't wait until earlier ones come online. Stuck until then, I think.
Your reply is greatly appreciated!
Rosemary
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Hello to PBN and Rosemary from sunny South Africa. Thank you for your replies. I was most grateful to hear from the two of you. It seems we may be referring to the same family line. As my father, Kenneth, was born when his father was in his forties and had intermittent contact with his father, he did'nt get down much of his father's family history. John Raymond Hoggan, also known as "Jack" to his family was my father's father. His "Grand Aunt" Eleanor Hoggan as she signs herself in a letter lived in Midlothian Scotland at the end of World War 1 as she refers to life after the War. She mentions that a daughter had emigrated with her family to Yukon territory, Canada. Her son in Scotland was evidently a doctor, as she makes mention of the fact. My father has visited Waterside House in Keir in Scotland. It seems that some of the Hoggans came from Dumfrieshire. I am still trying to identify John Raymond's father. There was mention that he had been killed in Buenos Aires doing work for the British government. Whether this is true or not, I do not Know.
It seems as if John Raymond Hoggan was a regular soldier as he definitely rose to the rank of sergeant in the mounted forces during the Anglo Boer War. I have photo of him in uniform. Apparently, his sister also emigrated to South Africa after the Anglo Boer War. First name not known.
Further information will be appreciated. Any documented information can be sent to: (*)
Kind regards
Roy Hoggan
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Rosemary (and any other Hoggan enthusiasts)
I've found more Hoggans, this time in Muiravonside Cemetery and have photos. Haven't a clue how to attach to this site and have lost your personal e-mail address. Please get in touch and I'll send them direct.
Anne
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Hi all,
Incase it's of any use to anyone, I have seen at least 1 Hoggan headstone within Slamannan Cemetery, Slamannan near Falkirk.
If anyone needs a digital photo of the stone(s), let me know, I'm only 15 mins drive from Slamannan and am currently researching my family, of whom, some were born in Slamannan.
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I'm the great granddaughter of the Yukon Hoggan, John Hoggan. He was born in India to Maj. Gen Hoggan (don't know the date) and his second wife. I think her name may have been Katherine or Catherine. She was only 18 or 19 years old when he was born. He emigrated to Canada in 1898 or 1899 during the Yukon gold rush and spent many years as a riverboat captain. I'm not really into geneology, so I probably don't have much useful information as to dates and such, but here goes: (I'm just sticking to his children as I don't know if my cousins want the info on here about them.)
John and his wife, Kate had eight children. My great aunt Lillian was 24 years older than my grandmother, so they were quite spread out.
Six were born in the Yukon.
-Lillian (born in England around 1890)
-Helena (born in England around 1890)
-Florence
-Dorothy
-John (called Johnny)
-Robert
-George
-Marjorie (my Grandmother, born in 1914 or 1915)
We had two or three female cousins in England and a male cousin, Tom Hoggan, in Vancouver, who's letters I have from WW1. They're the only relatives I know of. I thought the line had died out, actually, as two cousins married and decided not to have children, and the others were women who didn't marry. Elaine and Molly are the names I know of.
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Greetings,
Researching HOGGAN, SNEDDON, and (probably) FLEMING surname histories from Stirlingshire, Sauchie, and Clackmannan, Scotland. I am relying on information located on birth, marriage, death, and census sources for the following individuals:
1) Russell SNEDDON and wife Ellen married in mid
1800's
2) Their son, William, born 1870/1871 in Sauchie,
Scotland, married 06 Aug 1894 to Jane HOGGAN,
born 19 Mar 1878 in Stirlingshire, Scotland, the
daughter of William and Margaret HOGGAN. William
died 15 Feb 1901 in the Cumberland mine explosion
in Union, British Columbia, Canada, leaving Jane
(Jeanie, Jennie) with four children and pregnant.
3) William and Jane's children:
Margaret (Maggie) Fleming b. 25 Mar 1895 in B.C.
Canada
Nellie b. 02 Apr 1896 in B.C. Canada
Russell b. 18 Jul 1897 in Clackmannan, Scotland
William Hoggan b. 26 Mar 1899 in Stirling, Scotland
John Hoggan b. 10 Jul 1901 in Nanaimo, B.C.
Canada
3) Margaret (Maggie) Fleming married Edward Thomas
SMITH 01 Oct 1913 in Victoria, B.C. Canada.
Children are:
4) Margaret Genevieve b. 02 Aug 1914 in Seattle, WA
USA
Edward William b. 24 Nov 1915 in Seattle, WA USA
Russell Ernest b. 27 Mar 1917 in Seattle, WA USA
Viola b. 26 Jun 1918 in Seattle, WA USA
I would appreciate any help. Thank you.
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Hi, Tweetie,
I probably have a great deal of common ground with you as I'm also deeply into Hoggans and Snaddon/Sneddons. I started family treeing about a year ago.....knowing nothing, and now have over 7000 people in my computer program.
I'd be very happy to exchange information with you.
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My Hoggans are from Stirling; the Snaddons from Clackmannan. I, too, have many Flemings, Muirheads, Kirkwoods, Strangs, Patersons, and oh, the Hunters! :)
Rosemary
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Hi,
Managed to get back to Slamannan Cemetery. I've photographed the headstones I could find containing the name Hoggan.
It's on my own website at:
http://www.alanex.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/slamannan.htm
Ther may be more which I've missed, or on the stones which are badly worn by the weather. There is even unmarked graves that you would have to contact the local council about to get names for.
Hopefully the photos I have will be of use to someone.
Regards,
Alan.
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Hi, Alan,
I tried to access your website, but was forbidden???
I'm interested in your comment about contacting council about unmarked graves. Could you tell me more?
Rosemary
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Sorry, try my website again, my ISP messed up.
I'll try and get contact details for you on nmarked graves.
Alan
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Successful this time, Alan! Many thanks. I see I have some more money to spend in SP as I locate some of these marriages. :) And there I thought I was going to retire early! Have you done the same thing for cemeteries in Denny?
How very kind you are to post these genealogical clues on the net. Thank you!
Rosemary
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Hi Rosemary,
Firstly, I must apologise - did I never get round to sending you all the photos of Hoggan graves in Denny & surrounding districts?
I thought I had - knuckles rapped for me!
I'll rake them out and send them to your hotmail address.
Anne
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Many thanks, Anne; you are wonderful. I'm hoping to make a trip to Scotland in the summer of 2007 and see them in person, too! I thought of you as I was crawling and photographing headstones on Vancouver Island a few weeks ago. Also thinking how silly I was not to have been doing that in summer than a November's day. :)
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I have a copy of my family tree from Captain James Hoggan, 5th Dragoon guards (no date, unfortunately, but sometime before 1740 when his son, Major George Hoggan was born.) There isn't a tree for his brother James - I don't know if there isn't one, or if it wasn't our side of the family, so the person doing the tree didn't care.
Waterside was purchased in 1782.
There were 12 children of George Hogan. The ones who had had children, were:
James 1783-1834, Sophia (Smith)1785, Major General John (my however many greats) 1789, Lt. Col Willian Hoggan, 1798 - 1860 and Helen (Vetch)1800-1857
The family tree doesn't show all of the generations of any one but my direct ancestors, up to my grandmothers generation, but some of the names that the girls married into are:
Ewarts. Streets. Bradshaws, Morrisons, Saxbys, and Davies.
If anyone would like more details, please let me know.
Susan
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Hi, Susan,
I have your family in my program as I seem to be following all the Hoggans in an attempt to hook some up. I've been in contact with Ron Hoggan in Canada, perhaps you know him, and a wonderful woman in Australia who shared a huge tree with me, and I've misplaced her name. :( I didn't know George, 1741, had a brother James! I have the 12 children for George Hoggan and Margaret Jardine.
There offspring were: (Please correct any errors.)
1) Sophia HOGGAN married Alexander SMITH and they had these children: Janet, George, Jane Marie Sophia, James, Alexander, John, Sophia
2) George HOGGAN -- died in infancy
3) James HOGGAN married Mary Veitch McMURDO. Children: Barbara Douglas, George McMurdo, John McMurdo, Margaret, James, Amedlia Arentina Stewart, Jane Crawford? Mary?
4) Charles HOGGAN -- died in infancy
5) John HOGGAN married Francis WELLAND. Children: William, George Welland Henry. I have nothing more here.
6) Margaret HOGGAN married William GILLESPIE
7) Charlotte HOGGAN married Willaim GILLESPIE (is this correct?)
8) Edward HOGGAN married Elizabeth CRAIGIE. Child: Mary
9) Mary HOGGAN -- unmarried
10) Hellin HOGGAN married George VEITCH. Child: Francis H.
11) Hendry HOGGAN (Hendry is how it appear OPR..maybe Henry?)
Looking forward to hearing from you!
Rosemary
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Hi Rosemary,
I was going through what you had, and I got confused by some of the slight differences, so I'll tell you what I have.
Maj. Gen George Hoggan (1740-1809) m. Margaret Jardine (d.1825) Their children:
George (1782-1784)
James (1783-1834) m. Mary McMurdo
---- their children: (4 sons, no names),
----George m. Phyllis McMurdo (a cousin)
----George
----Katharine
----Charles James m. Helen Robertson (a cousin)
-----Charles Edward 1884?-1962 m. Eleanor Marie Thorburn Davies (a cousin)
----Jane m. Thomas Mackie
----Barbara m. Col. McMurdo
----Amy m. J. Heywood
----Annie
----Margaret
----Melville
----Amy
----Robert
----Henry
----Margaret
That's it for James' children and grandchilren, the details stop there. Back to Maj. Geprge Hoggan's children:
Sophia (1785) m. Alexander Smith
---Margaret
---Jessie (no spouse listed - m. 1888)
---- Charles James
---- Sophia Jessie
---- Susan Sophie
---- Alexander m. Emily Wainwright
---- Thomas Alexander Noel
---- Archibald
---- Matilda Jessie Violetta
Charles 1787
Maj. Gen John Hoggan (1789-1861) m. Ferances Welland Kennaway (1st wife)
--- Susan Margaret m. Col Ewart
---Charles Henry m. Rebecca Barber
---- John, Robert, Annette
--- Elizabeth Lucy m. Alfred Wallace Street
--- Alfred, Arthur J. Lucy Elizabeth, Emily (m. John
Waddon Martin,) Alfred Cowland
--- Rev Charles Adam Hoggan
2nd wife Jane Long
---Maj Gen John William Hoggan m (1st wife) Katharine Long (cousin)
---- Samuel m. Margaret Ormiston
---(2nd wife) Eleanor Pigson
--- John Edward (my great grandfather) m. Katharine Possetti. emigrated to Canada) (too many kids here, so I'll leave them out, unless you want them)
--- Maj. George Peter m. Mary Freer
---Dr. Robert Hoggan m. Jane Hoggan (cousin)
----Ethel Mary Eleanor m. Dr. Lewis Inglis Johnston, Robert William M. Eleanor Hoggan (he was her second husband, the first was also a Hoggan)
---- William McGregor m. Caroline Moore
---- Elizabeth Ann m. Alistair Goodall, Ann m. Graham Dunsford
--- Elenanor Catherine Augusta m. Edward Davies
---- Eleanor Marie Thorburn. (m. Robert William Hoggan (cousin)) Edward, Kathleen Ward, Isabella Hope, Constance Evelyn
Now back up again to George's children:
Margaret, b. 1740,
Charlotte, b. 1792 m. Rev. William Gillespie
Edward b. 1794 d, 1867
Mary b. 1796 d. 1875
Lt. Col. William Hoggan 1798-1860
--- William 1831-1895 m. Harriet Johnson
----Alfred J. m. Blanche Faville
----Denis J. m. Alma Buckley Smith
----Claire m. Terry Bannister
----James, Timothy
Helen (1800-1857 m. Hamilton Vetch
---Robert
---George m. Sarah Lightbody
---Sarah
----Francis
Henry
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Oops, I missed a whole section:
Maj Gen John Hoggan (1784- 1861) m. Jane Long (2nd wife)
I put down Maj Gen William Hoggan, but missed his brothers and sisters so:
Fanny (Frances) m. Dr. Morrison
--Edith m. Clement Poole
--Ethel
--James
--Fanny m. Claude Johnstone
--Iris Betty
--Hugh
Lieut. George Hoggan m. Isabella Carlyle
--John
--Fanny
--Ellie
--Walter
--George
Dr. Edward Hoggan m. Thomasina Robertson (cousin)
--Edward William Frances m. Ella Crawford
--Elaine Frances Armadale
--George Edward Armadale Hoggan OBE m. Ethel "Elizabeth" May Little
---Margaret Ann Frances (1956) m. Lt Cdr RObert Stephen Saxby R.N.
--- Benjamin Stephen Edward(1976)
---Alexander Colin Robert (1986)
Jane Maria Sophia 1868
Thomas Robert Robertson M.R.C.V.S m. Belle Smith
--Douglas Charles Ivor
* If you find this person or his descendants, I have his father's letters from WW1, so please let him know!)
Jane m. Dr. Robert Hoggan (cousin)
--Ethel Mary Eleanor (1899) m. Dr. Lewis Inglas Johnstone
--Robert William(1901) m. Eleanor Marie Thorburn Hoggan (Davies) (cousin)
Mary Louise m. Dr. Edmund Antrobus
-- Phyllis Mary m. Gordon Topham
Kenneth Charles Gordon
m. Marion Gladys Worthington.
I might have made some typos along the way.
Susan
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Dear Susan,
My husband is also a direct descendant of Major George Hoggan of Waterside, Keir DFS. Barry's GGGrandfather, James, was the eldest surviving son of Major George and thereby inherited Waterside and the bulk of the Estate. James married Mary Veitch McMurdo. After inheriting Waterside in 1809, their daughter Margaret died and this branch of the family moved to Canada. Their son George McMurdo Hoggan than took on the running of Waterside. He seemed to disappear after leaving his wife Phillis nee McMurdo and family at home. I cannot find any record of where he died, though it was in the 1860's. I have found where he was in Utah, but can't trace anymore info re that. Barry's GGrandmother was Amelia Arentina McMurdo Hoggan, daughter of James and Amelia. She married Thomas Spearman Heywood after meeting him when he was stationed in Canda near Port Maitland. They lived in England and one of their sons(the youngest) was Arthur Douglas . He came to Australia in the 1880's and Barry is his Grandson.
I have a lot of information re this family and would be very interested in your tree. You mentioned Major George's brother James. He didn't marry. I have a copy of his will where he left the bulk of his Estate to his "beloved brother George". I would like to get in touch with you as I thinl we could possibly help each other.
Barry and I visited Dumfries in April and went to see Waterside and Bellevue, two of the Hoggam properties. Major George also bought a property for your ancestor John (the next son the our James). This property was Stranfasket. I hope we can help each other
Regards
PBN (Margaret)
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Susan,
I noticed in your posting of November 4, that you said that you thought Major Gen.John's 2nd wife was Catherine or Katherine. John William married first a Catherine Long, born in India. They had one son Samuel long Hoggan born in 1861. Catherine unfortunately died at the time. John then married Eleanor Pogson on August 26 in 1863. John William was born in 1833 in India and died in Edinburgh on Nov.21 1900. Eleanor who was born in India in 1846 died at Waterside in on January 26, 1945, in her hundreth year. Her children included George Peter, 1866, William McGregor, Eleanor Catherine Augusta, John Edward Francis (your ancestor I think) and Robert, a Doctor in Scotland. I have been doing a lot of research on the younger members of the family and when they died. The Hoggan descendants are thriving in Australia. Barry's Grandfather also had a brothe Henry Stewart Johns Heywood who came out to Australia. He also has a large group of descendants out here. I think I am possibly the Australian that Rose referred to as sending her a large tree.
Hoping to hear from any Hoggan descendants.
Regards
PBN (Margaret)
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Susan,
Me again. As you didn't have James and Amelia's childrens names here they are.
Jane Crawford Hoggan, married Thomas Mackay
Barbara Douglas b. 1807 d. 1873 in Scotland marr. Alured Charles McMurdo. (they liked marrying cousins)
Gerorge McMurdo b. March 20, 1808. Marr. Phillis McMurdo.
John McMurdo Hoggan b. Oct. 10, 1809 m. Mary Hewan. D. in Canada.
Margaret b. 1817 d. 1832 in Scotland
James b. 1818, marr. Harriett Cooper in 1847 d. 1854 in Canada. and Amelia Arentina Stewart McMurdo Hoogan b. 1822 in Belfast, Ireland, died June 5, 1899 in Sidcup, Kent Eng. She married Thomas Spearman Heywood. Paymaster in Chief R.N.
Cheers again PBN.
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PBN (Margaret Heywood)
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MARGARET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is so good to find you again!!!!!!!!!
Happy New Year, and yes, I'll save your address properly this time!
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I've just registered after reading your message. I'm a direct descendant of Robert Hoggan, who was John Hoggan's (born about 1831/32) third child, second son. The children were up 1871 when they moved to Bothkennar Agnes (1852ish), William (1855ish), Robert (1856), Catherine (1888ish) and John (1860ish). Robert was my great-great-grandfather. His great grandaughter (also Agnes) lived till she was 94 nad I know most of the places you speak abput. I lived in the area myself until my early 20s.
Get back to me if you have any other queries.
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Hi, Aggie,
Is it Robert Sneddon Hoggan b. Jan. 25, 1856, son of John Hoggan abt. 1830 and Catherine Logan that you are descended from? The names and dates fit so well here, fingers crossed! John and Catherine's children were: Agnes abt. 1851? William 1853, Robert 1856, Catherine, 1858, John 1860, Margaret 1862, Janet 1865, Jane 1868, Andrew 1870 and my grandfather Alexander, 1872. Have birth cert. for all except Agnes.
Robert Sneddon Hogggan married Margaret Easton, and ended up living in Alberta, Canada.
Rosemary
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Hi,
Not sure if any of you have seen this page, or if it's even of any use...
http://www.tompaterson.ukfamily.com/census/Slamannan/Slam1881Page993.html
Hope it can be of use to someone,
Alan.
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Dear Rosemary,
As you have probably found on my family tree, Margaret Hoggan (daughter of Major George Hoggan and Margaret Jardine) did not marry William Gillespie. Her sister Charlotte married William. He was a Minister of Religion and sadly died a few months after their wedding.
I have recently found where Margaret died on August 18, 1832, aged 42 years in Bengal, India. She may have visiting her brothers in India. I have no record of Margaret marrying.
One more detail for our tree.
Cheers Margaret (PBN)
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Alanex,
Hi there..........Tom Paterson's website is excellent, and it was so wonderful to find when I first was starting with this tree. You are quite right to recommend it!
PBN ,
Hi Margaret.......that fits with what I have. Do you also have the writeups on my his theological career? I do; probably got it from the net. Keep in touch!
Rosemary
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OK Now I'm getting confused! I've traced my Granny's family back, but got stuck. She was born a Hoggan, to a Matthew Hoggan; he was born around 1878 to Robert Hoggan and Elizabeth Hoggan (nee McNeil). He had a sister, Margaret born in 1879. Robert and Elizabeth were both born in Stirling. I can find no record of their marriage, but that's not too uncommon. Elizabeth died on 16th March 1894 in North Lanarkshire. I can find no record of Matthew or Margaret's birth, nor anything that makes sense ??? I think that the Robert that is my ancestor may be Robert Sneddon Hoggan, and perhaps he emigrated after the death of Elizabeth? There is little or no reference about Matthew - only the marriage to my great-grandmother. On the plus side though - I know the area you all talk about extremely well. My family settled in Muiravonside Parish, and my Granny ended up in Bothkennar Parish. I also remember well visits to family in Denny, Longcroft and the Haggs. My mother and father were the first of the family not to actually work in the pits. I still visit Central Scotland regularly to see my mother - she's a fund of knowledge!
AggieH
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Hi, Aggie,
I can help you out some. This is the information I have on your Robert Hoggan, married to Elizabeth McNeil.
1856 Births in the Parish of Slamanan in the County of Stirling
ROBERT HUGGINS
1856, January 13th 7 h. 30 m AM
Newfieldyke
Father: MATTHEW HUGGINS, coal miner
Mother: ELIZABETH HOGGAN, MS PATON
Informant: Matthew Huggins his x mark, father, not present
Robert Main, registrar, witness
1856 January 15th at Slamanan, Robert Main, registrar
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1877 in the Burgh of Airdrie in the County of Lanarkon the ninth day of May, at Flowerhill Parish Manse of Airdrie
After Banns according to the Forms of the Established Church of Scotland
Signed: Robert Hoggans, coal miner, bachelor, age 20
Roughrigg, New Monkland
Father: MATTHEW HOGGANS, coal miner
Mother: MARION HOGGANS MS PATON, deceased
Signed: Elizabeth McNEIL, outdoor worker, spinster, age 20
Father: JOHN McNEIL, coal miner
Mother: ELIZABETH McNEIL MS BLACK
Signed: James Paton, minister
Witnesses: John Fleming , his x mark, Marion Hoggan her x mark
1877, May 10, at Airdrie, M. Whyte, registrar
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I haven't been able to find Maggie/Margaret's birth, but did find her marriage:
1904, Marriages in the District of Haggs in the County of Stirling
1904, on the 24th day of June at Russell Memorial Hall, District of Haggs
After Banns according to the Forms of the Church of Scotland
Signed: David Anthony, saw miller, bachelor, 24, Wester Seamores,Haggs
Father: William Anythony, general labourer
Mother: Jane Anthony MS MacKenzie
Signed: Maggie Hoggan saleswoman in ? shop, spinster, 24, Banknock,Kilsyth
Father: Robert Hoggan, coal miner, deceased
Mother: Elizabeth McNeil, deceased
Signed: Alexander Robertson, minister of Haggs
Witnesses: George Anthony, Agnes Marshall
1904, June 24th at Haggs, James Robertson, reg.
Matthew Hoggan b. 1878 in Slamannan:
1878 Births in the Parish of Slamanan in the County of Stirling
Matthew Hoggans
1878, January 28th 8 h. AM, Toddsbright, Parish of Slamanan
Father: Robert Hoggans, coal miner
Mother: Elizabeth Hoggans, MS McNeil
1877 May 10, Airdrie
Robert Hoggans, father
1878, Feb. 15th at Slamanan, John Horne, Assist. reg.
1899, Marriages in the District of Haggs in the County of Stirling
1899, on the 29th day of September at Haggs, District of Haggs
After Publication according to the Forms of the Church of Scotland
Signed: Matthew Hoggan, coal miner, age 21 of Distillery Row,Haggs
Father: Robert Hoggan, coal miner, deceased
Mother: Elizabeth Hoggan, MS MacNeil, deceased
and
Christina Donaldson, domestic servant, spinster, 18, of Distillery Row, Haggs
Father: William Donaldson, coal miner
Mother: Agnes Donaldson, MS Miller
Signed: Alexander Robertson, Minister of Haggs
Witnesses: John Ovens, Mary Donaldson
1899 on Sept. 30th at Haggs, James Robertson, reg.
I have the children of Matthew and Christina Donaldson as
Elizabeth McNeil Hoggan b. 1905 (m. William George Williamson)
Matthew
Robert
Is that correct?
Alas, my Robert Sneddon Hoggan doesn't fit into yours except perhaps the fact that Robert (married to McNeil) was a child of Matthew Hay Hoggan and Elizabeth Paton. Matthew Hay Hoggan's parents were Robert Hoggan and Jean Horn, and my great great grandfather may also have been a child of that marriage, which DOES make us related. Have to prove that one, and probably never will.:)
Rosemary
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Hi folks. Good to see there are so many Hoggans around. I always thought we were part of a small family, but Rose has shared so much information with me that I now see I am part of an enormous family.
My father is Robert, son of Matthew and Christina Hoggan's (Donaldson) son Robert. So I go all the way back to Robert Hoggan and Jean Horn, and there I have hit a barrier.
I recently found out that Robert Hoggan, who was married to Elizabeth McNeil, died in 1892 near Bellshill, Lanarkshire. He was found dead in a railway siding, aged 36.
I'm trying to find out if we are related to all the other Hoggans mentioned in this thread, e.g. the ones from Fife, all the Army Hoggans, etc. I also want to try to get further back via Robert Hoggan and Jean Horn. Her father was David Horn and I believe she married an Agnes Wilson, but information further back on the Hoggan side seems sketchy.
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After seeing the note from AggieH, I remebered I had tracked down where Matthew is buried and took a couple of photos. I've attached one with the detail. I've another showing where it lies in the cemetery.
As mentioned earlier, he is my great grandfather. I'm his son Robert's grandson.
Hope they are of interest, and hopefully you can see them okay
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... I'm trying to find out if we are related to all the other Hoggans mentioned in this
thread, e.g. the ones from Fife, ...
Here's a snippet about a Fife HOGGAN in case anyone is interested.
A Catherine HOGGAN (HAGG or HAGGAN), age 77, was in the household of farmer John
PHILP (John is my children's GgggUncle) at Grievesland, Kelty, Beath, Fife in the 1841
census. Catherine was the mother of John's second wife Ann COOPER. Also in the
household were John's daughter Catherine PHILP from his first marriage, and his
daughters Ann and Elizabeth PHILP from the marriage to Ann COOPER. Catherine
HOGGAN died the following year; the Fife Deaths CD lists HOGGIN (sic) Catherine,
age not known, abode Kelty Beath, buried at Beath on 10 May 1842.
From the IGI, it seems that Catherine's parents were:
Thomas HOGGAN and Anna KEELER who married 21 Aug 1761, Beath (LDS submission)
Thomas and Anna had (all extracted entries, all at Beath):
*Catharine HOGGAN bap 16 Aug 1762
*Isoble HOGGAN bap 23 Jan 1769 (mother's name given as Ann KELLER)
*Hellon HUGGAN (sic) b 9 Jul, bap 14 Jul 1771
*John HUGGAN (sic) bap 1 Mar 1778 (mother's name given as Ann KEILLER)
Cathrine (sic) HOGGAN married James COUPER (sic), 12 Nov 1788, Beath
(extracted).
Their daughter Ann, b 1791, married John PHILP in 1828, Dunfermline.
JAP
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Hello from Australia!
My father was Alexander Anthony, son of Donald Anthony and Jeanie McMillan. Donald's parents were William Anthony and Jane Mackenzie. It was Donald's brother David who married Maggie Hoggan in 1904.
Best wishes, BA :)
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Hi there everybody,
I have just entered Hoggan into my tree and hope someone can help with my Hoggan.
Got Matthew Hoggan born abt 1818 Denny, he married my 1st cousin 4 times removed Margaret Alexander on the 1 Oct 1869 Slamannan. Margaret Alexander was before married to a James Gray.
I believe that Matthew also was married before.
I found Matthew and margaret in the 1881 cenus with 2 children:
William Hoggan born 11 May 1870 Slamannan
Agnes Hoggan born about 1872 Shotts
Has anybody have anymore info on this family?
Best regards
karen
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Hi voodoo,
Welcome to Rootchat!
There's been a wee flurry of Hoggan activity over the last few days.
Can I suggest that you have a wee read through everything that's been posted (use the Rootschat Search) - you might find the answer to your query has already been posted. If not, then I'm sure all the Hoggan descendants will jump in and help you out.
Anne
P.S. If you don't get any joy, send me a personal message as although I'm not related or am researching this family, I've got tons of info.
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Hi, Voodoo,
....and Anne!
I have about $3000 worth, thank you SP, of information for you, if you are talking about Matthew Hay Hoggan b. May 24, 1819 Haggs, Stirling married to Margaret Noble Alexander. Her parents were: William Alexander and Elizabeth Turner. Margaret was firstly married to James Gray. I've found two children for them: Robert and Margaret.
With Matthew Hoggan she had William Hoggan who married Morrison Brown, and Agnes Hoggan who married David Johnstone. Feel free to contact me at (*)
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Hi Anne and Rose,
thanks ever so much for your help.
I already had the parents for Margaret Alexander as William and Isabella Turner. I knew that Margaret was married before to James Gray and that they had at least 11 children.
I have now downloaded Matthew's and Margaret's marriage cert. His parents were Robert Hoggan and Jean Horn. I believe that Matthew died in 1889 and Margaret in 1912.
Rose you said that WIlliam married a Morrison Brown and Agnes a David Johnstone, would you have any dates for there marriage, or any other info.
Once more thanks for your help.
Best regards
karen
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Margaret Alexander's death certificate:
1912 DEATHS in the Parish of Slamanan in the County of Stirlling
MARGARET HOGGAN
Widow of 1st James Gray, 2nd Matthew Hoggan
1912, January 15th 11h 0 m. PM, Burn Row female, age 84 years
Father: WILLIAM ALEXANDER, farm labourer, deceased
Mother: ELIZABETH ALEXANDER, MS TURNER, deceased,
COD: chronic bronchitis, hepatic conjestion, as certified by William Young, MBC?B
Informant: Robert Gray, son, present Registered: 1912, January 15th at Slamannan Peter Gentleman, Asst. registrar
William Hoggan b. 1870
1891, MARRIAGES in the Parish of Slamanan in the County of Stirling 1891 on the 30th day of December at Slamanan After Banns according to the Forms of the Free Church of Scotland
Signed: WILLIAM HOGGAN, coal miner, bachelor age 21 of Drumclair
Father; MATTHEW HOGGAN, coal miner, deceased
and
Signed: MORRISON BROWN, spinster, age 18 of Limerigg,
Father: THOMAS BROWN, coal miner
Mother: AGNES BROWN, MS SIMPSON Signed: Arch`d Reid, minister Witnesses: David Johnston, Agnes Brown
1891, December 31st at Slamanan, John Horne, registrar
***** 1913, DEATHS in the Parish of Slamanan in the County of Stirling WILLIAM HOGGAN, coal miner,
married to MORRISON BROWN
1913, August 12th 8 h. 30 m AM, Burn Row
male, age 43
Father: MATTHEW HOGGAN, coal miner, deceased Mother: MARGARET NOBLE HOGGAN, previously GRAY, MS ALEXANDER, deceased
COD: Cardiac disease, cariac dropsy, as certified by J. Campbell MB ChB Informant: William Morgan, brother-in-law, present
1913, August 12th at Slamannan, Peter Gentleman, asst. registrar
Agnes Hoggan b. 1874
1892, MARRIAGES in the Parish of Slamanan in the County of Stirling
1892, on the 6th day of April at Drumclair
After Banns According to the Forms of the ? Methodist Church
Signed: DAVID JOHNSTONE, coal miner, bachelor, 21, Limerigg
Father: MITCHELL JOHNSTONE, coal miner
Mother: JANET JOHNSTONE, MS McCARTNEY
Signed: Agnes Hoggon, spinster 18 of Drumclair
Father: MATTHEW HOGGAN, coal miner, deceased
Mother: MARGARET HOGGAN, MS ALEXANDER
Signed: Fred Inwood Witnesses: James Johnstone, Maggie Gray
1892, Apr. 9th at Slamanan, John Horne, reg.
1932, DEATHS in the District of Slamannan in the County of Stirling
AGNES JOHNSTONE married to DAVID JOHNSTONE, coal miner
1932, January 7th 4 h. 0 m. PM, Rosebank Cottage, Burn Row
58 years
Father: MATTHEW HOGGAN, coal miner, deceased
Mother: MARGARET NOBLE HOGGAN, previously GRAY MS ALEXANDER,deceased
COD: Chronic myocarditis 18 months as certified by J. W. Arthur, MB Ch. B Informant: David Johnstone, widower, present
1932, January 8th at Slamannan, Elizabeth Gentles asst. registrar
I'd like to include Margaret and James Gray's children in my tree if you would be kind enough to share. I'm not following the Alexander line, but am learning that family married family, and who knows where else down the line there would be connections.
Regards,
Rosemary
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Hi
I think I am researching the same line as you.
My ggg grandfather was Robert Hoggan who was married to Jean Horn. I am trying to find Robert's father (who I think was called Matthew - but am not having much luck). Are you able to provide me with any names for Roberts mother or father?
Do you know if anyone has any photos of Robert Hoggan and Jean Horn?
I will let you know if i come across any info.
Regards
Christine
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Hi, Christine,
I'm curious why you think Robert Hoggan's father's name was Matthew? If naming convention was followed, it would be Robert, assuming there are no unrecorded births prior to son Robert. Have you come across information about Matthew?
Rosemary
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Hi Rosemary,
wow thanks for all the info. This is of great help.
I will send the Gray info to you by tomorrow, as I have it on a different com.
Speak to you soon.
Karen
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Hi Rose
sorry it has taken me so long to get back to you.
Here is the info on James Gray and Margaret Alexander.
James and margaret married 19 Feb 1868, Carnwath, Lanark
James died 11 Sep 1868 Slamannan, Sterling
There children were:
1. James Gray born 1848 Carnwath
2. William Gray born 1850 Carnwath married a Elizabeth Straiton on the 26. Sep 1873 Denny, Sterling
Elizabeth B. Gray born 1871 Slamannan
James Gray born 1873 Shotts
George Gray born 1876 Shotts
Christina B Gray born 1877 Slamannan
3. Isabella Gray born 1852 Carnwath married Findlay Kerr
Margaret Kerr born 1872 Port, Perth
Daniel Kerr born 1876 Port, Perth
James Kerr born 1877 Port, Perth
Duncan Kerr born 1880 Port, Perth
4. Robert Gray born 1854 Bothwell, Lanark married a Helen ???
James Gray born 1877 Muiravon, Sterling
Janet J. Gray born 1880 Slamannan
5. Helen Watson Gray born 13/03/1856 Bothwell married James Grant 11/04/1873 Calderhead, they
moved to Australia
Margaret Alexander Grant born 08/01/1874 Cambusnethan married James Moses
6. Mary Gray born 01/06/1860 Falkirk married James Waugh 06/04/1877 Slamannan
Charles Waugh born 14/07/1877 Slamannan married Agnes Clarke
James Gray Waugh born 23/05/1879 Slamannan married Marion Craig
Margaret Alexander Waugh born 20/02/1881 Slamannan married Andrew Beattie
Elizabeth Kidd Waugh born 10/04/1883 Slamannan married Andrew Gilchrist
Mary Gray Waugh born 05/04/1885 Slamannan married Daniel Miller
Isabella Gray Waugh born 05/03/1887 Slamannan
Ann Ross Waugh born 28/05/1889 Slamannan married George Aitcheson
Helen Gray Waugh born 18/07/1891 Slamannan married William McKenzie
Alexander Gray Waugh born 04/12/1893 Slamannan married Margaret Banks McGregor
jessie Gray Waugh born 13/05/1897 Slamannan married John Vivian McFie
Agnes Hoggan Waugh born 08/08/1903 Slamannan
7. Thomas Gray born 08/09/1861 Slamannan
8. Jessie Gray born 1863 Falkirk married Alexander Blyth
9. Margaret Gray born 1864 Slamannan married Robert Waugh 09/06/1882 Slamannan
margaret Alexander Waugh born 27/09/1884 Slamannan
Elizabeth Kidd Waugh born 06/06/1886 Slamannan
Charles Waugh born 1888 Slamannan
Isabella Gray Waugh born 25/02/1890 Slamannan
James Gray Waugh born 1892 Falkirk, died 1907 Falkirk
10. Janet Gray born 30/04/1866 Slamannan
Hope this info is of interest to you!!!
Regards
Karen
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Hi to all Hoggan researchers
Any one with interest in Matthew Hay Hoggan. I just received a pic of Matthew today, if any one is interested, let me know.
Regards
karen
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Hi, Karen,
Many thank for the Gray information. I've added it into tree.
I have an Alexander GRAY married to Margaret MORRISON in the tree. Their son James GRAY married my cousin Margaret MANSON (parents: John Manson and and Margaret Taylor HOGGAN.)
This is their marriage certificate:
1902 Marriages in the Parish of Campsie in the County of Stirling 1902, on the 20th day of June at Muckcroft Buildings, Lennoxtown, After Banns according to the Forms of the United Free Church of Scotland
Signed: James GRAY, mason (journeyman), bachelor, 19 of Muckcroft Building, Lennoxtown
Father: Alexander GRAY, road surfaceman
Mother: Margaret GRAY, MS MORRISON and
MAGGIE MURRAY MANSON, printfield worker, spinister, 18, of Muckcroft Building, Lennoxtown
Father: John MANSON, chemical work mechanic
Mother: Margaret MANSON, MS HOGGAN
Signed: George Lamb, officiating minister Witnesses: William Young, Katie Manson 1902, June 23, at Lennoxtown, M Baird, registrar
Is there a connection here?
Regards,
Rosemary
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Hi Rose,
will keep an eye on your Gray, if I come across him, I will surely let you know.
Found children for William Hoggan who married Morrison Brown and for Agnes Hoggan who married David Hoggan. Not sure if you are intersted in them.
Regards
Karen
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Hi all Hoggan searchers,
I came across an entry in the 1881 Cencus quite by accident and thought I'd post it just in case somebody can't find wee Mary Hoggan from Haggs.
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Hi, Karen,
For children of William Hoggan and Morrison Brown, I have:
Agnes Simpson Hoggan b. 1892
Margaret Alexander Hoggan b. 1895
Morrison Hoggan b. 1897
Matthew Hoggan b. 1898
Thomas Brown Hoggan b. 1901
William Hoggan b. 1904
Does that match with what you have?
R.
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Karen
I have Jean Horn's parents as David Horn and Agnes Wilson. I have no information on Robert Hoggan's parents. I did get an extract from GROS on Robert Hoggan and Jean Horn's marriage. in the Parish of Denny, County of Stirling, which reads
"1802 Nov 14
Which day Robert Hoggan Collier Hollandbush and Jean Horn lawful daughter of David Horn, Drysalter, Bankier mill, who acknowledged they were irregularly married in the month of March last; but produced no lines to that effect."
I also have an extract from David Horn and Agnes Wilson's marriage in Denny, Stirling, from 10 April 1760, which reads
"David Horn in this parish and Agnes Wilson in Kilsyth parish listed upon the 21st Marchj proclaimed out the 5th of April and married 10th of moneth"
Would be faxcinated to see a photo of MAtthew Hay Hoggan
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Hi to all the Hoggan watchers, I am pretty new to geneology and have recently started to follow my mothers side back. HUGE mistake she is a Hoggan, decended from Mathew Hay Hoggan and Margaret Alexander's daughter Agnes (my mums gran). Do you know how many Hoggans there were in Slamannan/Muiravonside at the turn of the century, hudreds and Slamannan's such a wee place. There are still quite a few left in the village although I'm not quite sure how were all conected, but i'll get there. there is one family story however that my gran told me years ago, that one of Mathews family to his first wife LIVED WITH one of Margarets family by her first husband as man and wife. IS that confusing or what, i've never been able to trace that one though. I do know that a large proportion of the Hoggans were buried at Muiravonside cemetry. Still twidling my pencil at this, if I come accross anything new i'll let you all know
dee
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Hi Dee,
Welcome to Rootschat!
I'm sure it'll be no time at all 'till you feel right at home here.
Good luck with all your searches.
Anne
(Not searching for Hoggans but a Hoggan watcher-outer as I trawl through graveyards)
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Hi, Dee,
Matthew Hay Hoggan and Elizabeth Paton, Matthew's first wife, had a daughter Elizabeth Hoggan b. 1851 who married William Gray b. 1849, a child of James Gray and and Margaret Noble Alexander (Matthew's second wife.) Is that the connection you are looking for?
William Gray was also married to Elizabeth Straiton, and married Elizabeth Hoggan in 1880 in Denny. Elizabeth Hoggan was firstly married to John Brown, Dec. 31, 1868, and then to William. I don't have any children for William and Elizabeth Hoggan, but do have four children's names for his marriage to Elizabeth Straiton.
Rosemary Hoggan
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You can now search for passengers from ships leaving from British ports from 1890 to 1900, which should expand to 1960 on Wednesday. There are a bunch of Hoggans to look at.
I don't want to post a url, since it looks like it's against the rules, but if you do a search at yahoo..com for historic passenger lists ships online, you'll find it.
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Hi all,
I am researching from Australia. Although my ancestors are Edgars from Dumfriesshire I would like to know if any Hoggans are related to Edgars, Muirs or Austins. A presumed ancestor named one of his sons Edward Hoggan Edgar. I believe after Edward Hoggan from Keir. Any help appreciated.
Robeena
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To grey dog:
Roy Hoggan, if you have not tracked down your missing ancestors, I have information that may help. I have had no luck with the South African data base but I know that George Henry Welland Hoggan only had 3 sons and I have their names: Frances Christian Hoggan, b. 1862 in Kiddapore, West Bengal; Walther Henry Long Hoggan, b. 1879, Murree West Bengal; and Sydney Daniel Scurry Hoggan, b. 1881, Teshawar. Assuming the surname could only pass through the sons, that should narrow your field somewhat. I have not been able to find John Raymond Hoggan, let alone link him to GHWH or to you. Also, GHWH was son of John Hoggan's second wife, Jane Long, not Frances Welland Kennaway. Your Canadian cousin, Maribeth
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I have stumbled across the Hoggan family while researching Lynch. To be more accurate the “Hoggan and Walker” family tree which mentions Philip Lynch marrying Rebecca Love. I have Philip marrying Rebecca Love from Muchrom Wigtonshire (est birth 1834) in 1863 in Penninghame. They stayed in this area all their life with Philip Lynch passing away in 1906 at Clarity Hill, Penninghame
The Hoggan family seems to around Stirlingshire in Scotland from information I have at the moment. My question is “have any of the posters to this thread on Hoggan come across a Lynch family branch in their research”?
I am tracing my family history back to Scotland from Australia. The original Lynch that came to Australia on his own was Edward who was born in Balmaghie, Kirkcudbright/Kelton, Dumfries, Scotland around 1833 (from his death certificate in Australia in 1906). Edward arrived in Sydney, New South Wales around the 4.9.1856 on the "Lloyd" I am now trying to trace the rest of his family back through Scotland. The information I have located to date is in the 1841, 1851, 1861, 1871, 1881, 1891, and 1901 census (1851 below) with his parents Owen Lynch Born in Cavan Ireland and Margaret born in Meath Ireland.
1851 Census (Village of Rhonehouse(869) Parish: Kelton
Owen Lynch 40
Margaret Lynch 42
Philip 19
Edward 17
John 15
Mary 13
James 10
Agnes 8
Margaret 6
Michael 4
Dolly 1
I have started to trace the family up through the1851, 1861, 1871, 1881, 1891, 1901 census in Scotland. In particular Philip – Penninghame, Wigtownshire (Baltersan farm, Clarity hill gamekeeper).
Regards
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My Hoggans have their origins in Fife (as far as research goes at this stage)
Descendant Register, Generation No. 1
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1. Andrew HOGGAN was born EST 1698 in Fife,Scotland. He married Kaitherine ADAMSON 29 MAY 1719 in St Edmonds,Auchterderran,Fife,Scotland. She was born EST 1698 in Fife,Scotland.
Child of Andrew HOGGAN and Kaitherine ADAMSON is:+ 2 i. Christian HOGGAN was born FEB 1730 in Auchertool,Fife,Scotland, was christened 1 MAR 1730 in Auchertool,Fife,Scotland.
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Descendant Register, Generation No. 2
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2. Christian HOGGAN (Andrew HOGGAN1) was born FEB 1730 in Auchertool,Fife,Scotland, was christened 1 MAR 1730 in Auchertool,Fife,Scotland. She married John BETT 26 DEC 1754 in Auchtertool,Fife,Scotland, son of John BETT and Isobell NORRIE. He was born FEB 1722 in Crail,Fife,Scotland, was christened 17 FEB 1722 in Crail,Fife,Scotland.
Children of Christian HOGGAN and John BETT are: 3 i. Katherine (Catharine) BETT was born NOV 1755 in Aberdour,Fife,Scotland, was christened 23 NOV 1755 in Aberdour,Fife,Scotland. She married John MORRICE 12 JAN 1782 in Dunfermline,Fife,Scotland. He was born EST 1755.
4 ii. James BETT was christened 16 FEB 1758 in Auchtertool,Fife,Scotland.
5 iii. Isobel BETT was christened 2 MAR 1760 in Auchtertool,Fife,Scotland.
6 iv. Margaret BETT was christened 5 MAY 1763 in Kinghorn,Fife,Scotland.
+ 7 v. Andrew Hoggan BETT was born 5 SEP 1767 in Aberdour,Fife,Scotland, was christened 13 SEP 1767 in Aberdour,Fife,Scotland.
8 vi. Christian BETT was born 30 JUN 1773, was christened 12 JUL 1773 in Aberdour,Fife,Scotland.
Other major lines are
Kerr and Robb
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Matthew Hay Hoggan and Elizabeth Paton, Matthew's first wife, had a daughter Elizabeth Hoggan b. 1851 who married William Gray b. 1849, a child of James Gray and and Margaret Noble Alexander (Matthew's second wife.) Is that the connection you are looking for?
William Gray was also married to Elizabeth Straiton, and married Elizabeth Hoggan in 1880 in Denny. Elizabeth Hoggan was firstly married to John Brown, Dec. 31, 1868, and then to William. I don't have any children for William and Elizabeth Hoggan, but do have four children's names for his marriage to Elizabeth Straiton.
Hi the above are all part of my family, my Grandfather was Matthew Hoggan Gray who married my grandmother Jeanie Raeburn in 1921 his Mother & father were Elizabeth Hoggan & Wiliam Gray. I had tried very hard to find out who William Gray was married to before he Married Elizabeth Hoggan i knew she had been married to John Brown so now i have another link its good news for me. William Gray & Elizabeth Hoggan in the 1901 census for Denny had 5 children Willie, Jeanie, bella Scott & Matthew
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Here is a follow on to the Hoggan Line
Descendant Register, Generation No. 3
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7. Andrew Hoggan BETT (Christian HOGGAN2, Andrew HOGGAN1) was born 5 Sep 1767 in Aberdour, Fife, Scotland, was christened 13 Sep 1767 in Aberdour, Fife, Scotland. He was buried 2 Nov 1851 in Polmont Stirling, Scotland. He married Jean FOOT 13 Jan 1795 in Borrowstounness, West Lothian, Scotland, daughter of Robert FOOT and Marjory JACK. She was born 8 Dec 1771 in Polmont, Stirling, Scotland, was christened 15 Dec 1771 in Polmont, Stirling, Scotland, and died 15 Aug 1846 in Polmont Stirling, Scotland.
Children of Andrew Hoggan BETT and Jean FOOT are: 9 i. John BETT was born 25 Oct 1795 in Scotland, was christened 1 Nov 1795 in Dunfermline, Fife, Sct.
10 ii. Marjory BETTS was born 8 May 1797 in Polmont, Stirling, Scotland, was christened 21 May 1797 in Polmont, Stirling, Scotland.
11 iii. Andrew BETTS was born 1 Apr 1799 in Polmont, Stirling, Scotland, was christened 8 Apr 1799 in Polmont, Stirling, Scotland.
+ 12 iv. Elizabeth BETTS was born 22 Nov 1808 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland, was christened 21 Dec 1808 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland, and died 30 Aug 1892 in Falkirk, Stirling.
13 v. Catharine BETT was born 2 Oct 1810 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland, was christened 7 Oct 1810 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland.
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Descendant Register, Generation No. 4
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12. Elizabeth BETTS (Andrew Hoggan BETT3, Christian HOGGAN2, Andrew HOGGAN1) was born 22 Nov 1808 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland, was christened 21 Dec 1808 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland, and died 30 Aug 1892 in Falkirk, Stirling. She married George ROBB 24 Jun 1838 in Linlithgow, West Lothian, Scotland, son of Peter ROBB and Agnes HILL. He was born 26 Oct 1815 in Dalmeny, Linlithgowshire Scotland, was christened 12 Dec 1815 in Dalmeny, West Lothian, Scotland.
Children of Elizabeth BETTS and George ROBB are:+ 14 i. Jean (Jane) ROBB was born 28 Nov 1838 in Polmont, Stirling, Scotland, was christened 17 Dec 1838 in Polmont, Stirling, Scotland, and died 8 Oct 1900 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland.
15 ii. Elizabeth ROBB was born 28 Nov 1838 in Polmont, Stirling, Scotland, was christened 17 Dec 1838 in Polmont, Stirling, Scotland.
+ 16 iii. Peter ROBB was born 31 Jul 1840 in Polmont, Stirling, Scotland, was christened 18 Aug 1840 in Polmont Stirling, Scotland, and died 19 Jul 1909 in Grangmouth, Falkirk, Scotland.
17 iv. Andrew ROBB was born 19 Oct 1842 in Polmont, Stirling, Scotland, was christened 24 Oct 1842 in Polmont Stirling, Scotland, and died 2 Jan 1883 in Falkirk, Stirling. He married Mary HILL EST 1860. She was born 1837, and died 1907.
18 v. George ROBB was born 7 Apr 1844 in Polmont, Stirling, Scotland, was christened 19 May 1844 in Polmont Stirling, Scotland. He married Jean CARMICHAEL EST 1865. She was born EST 1845.
19 vi. Agnes ROBB was born 4 Nov 1845 in Polmont, Stirling, Scotland, was christened 16 Nov 1845 in Polmont Stirling, Scotland.
20 vii. David ROBB was born 3 Dec 1847 in Polmont, Stirling, Scotland, was christened 12 Dec 1847 in Polmont Stirling, Scotland.
21 viii. Mary ROBB was born EST 1849. She married James TAYLOR 28 May 1869 in Falkirk Stirling Sct. He was born EST 1843.
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Hi folks. Good to see there are so many Hoggans around. I always thought we were part of a small family, but Rose has shared so much information with me that I now see I am part of an enormous family.
My father is Robert, son of Matthew and Christina Hoggan's (Donaldson) son Robert. So I go all the way back to Robert Hoggan and Jean Horn, and there I have hit a barrier.
I recently found out that Robert Hoggan, who was married to Elizabeth McNeil, died in 1892 near Bellshill, Lanarkshire. He was found dead in a railway siding, aged 36.
I'm trying to find out if we are related to all the other Hoggans mentioned in this thread, e.g. the ones from Fife, all the Army Hoggans, etc. I also want to try to get further back via Robert Hoggan and Jean Horn. Her father was David Horn and I believe she married an Agnes Wilson, but information further back on the Hoggan side seems sketchy.
Hi,
I have DC for Jane Hoggan 31/Dec/1896 where she died by drowning in canal at Old Foundry, Kikintilloch, on this her father is noted as John Horn, Weaver. no mother is noted?
Regards,
Duncan.
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Hi there everybody,
I have just entered Hoggan into my tree and hope someone can help with my Hoggan.
Got Matthew Hoggan born abt 1818 Denny, he married my 1st cousin 4 times removed Margaret Alexander on the 1 Oct 1869 Slamannan. Margaret Alexander was before married to a James Gray.
I believe that Matthew also was married before.
I found Matthew and margaret in the 1881 cenus with 2 children:
William Hoggan born 11 May 1870 Slamannan
Agnes Hoggan born about 1872 Shotts
Has anybody have anymore info on this family?
Best regards
karen
Was son of Robert Hoggan & Janet Horn, had brothers, Robert, Alexander, David, William, Preston, Walter & sister Jean Horn Hoggan. Matthew died at Slamannan on 18/Dec/1889. I have his birth in Denny as 25/May/1819. Married Elizabeth Paton 07/Sep/1844 at Denny, married Margaret Alexander 1869? at Slamannan. Children found , (Elizabeth Paton mother.) Marion 1841, Alexander 1846-1915, Matthew 1850, Elizabeth 1851-1934, Jean 1853-1942, Robert 1856-1892, John 1858-1859, Helen 1860-1938, John 1861-1864, David Oswald 1863-1945, James 1865-1943. (Margaret Alexander mother.) William 1870, Agnes 1872-1943.
I hope this is of use. On Matthew's DC (Bronchitis.)18/Dec/1889 Drumclair, Slamannan, 489/00 0151: he is noted as married to Margaret Gray and informant was Step-Son, William Gray.
Regards,
Duncan.
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My tree regarding the Hoggans start with David Horn B 1753 His daughter Janet Horn B 1779 M Robert Hoggan B 1778, They had a son Matthew Hoggan b 25/05/1819 Denny, married Elizabeth paton 07/09/1844 at Drumclair Slamannan. Matthew Hoggan died 18/12/1889. He also married Margaret Alexander in 1869 and this is where it gets confusing for me as Margaret Alexander was also married to James Gray. Put it this way my brother is called Matthew Hoggan Gray.
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Hi Moscan......
This is my family, but I think you are responding to the delightful reply from JAP?? I am computer literate, but I really don't understand this site......so I guess I'm not. :)
If you tie into John Hoggan and Catherine Logan, I'd love to talk with you.
Had a couple of credits so checked the deaths like Jap advised... found the death of John Hoggan who was married to Catherine Logan Hoggan.... details as follows:-
John Hoggan (Coalminer) Married to Catherine Hoggan nee Logan died November 15th 1891 at 9.50 am at Old Pit Bothkennar aged 61 years of age. His parents names as listed as William Hoggan ( coalminer ) and Margaret Hoggan nee Taylor
Cause of death is listed as:- Bronchitis 10 days; Asthma 6 months; Disease of the heart 2 years as certified by W. Walker MD
Death Registered by John Mannon ( I am not sure of this ) Son in law not present.
Best wishes
Mo
hello i recently stumbled across this page my name is robert john hoggan i was born on the 10th of june 1992 i was wondering if anyone had any information as to more details about my family tree if anyone does can they contact me on this email adress and send me an email.....it is (*)
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Hi Robert,
Welcome to Rootschat!!
I'd advise you to go back and edit your post and remove your e-mail address - for your own sake to avoid any spamming etc., (and it'll save one of the mod's doing it for you!!) ;D
There are a number of threads regarding Hoggan families - best idea would be to have a read through them and see if any there's matches with the line you are tracing.
Go to the 'Search' page, uncheck all the ticks, scroll back up and enter 'Hoggan' and tick 'Stirlingshire' (if that's the correct area) and that should allow you to find all the appropriate threads. Obviously if there's other areas, tick those also.
Anne
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Hi,
Dont accept that all LDS records are 100% correct. Some of the entries are way of the mark owing to the fact that they are entered by individuals, and not taken from the old parish records. Also, on many occasions there are family members who seem to have slipped through the net. I have met this problem on may occasions.
Probably your best bet would be the Scotlands People site, where you can trace births,marriages and deaths back from 1855 until the 1920's
Good Luck with your search.
Regards,
Tom Buchanan
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Hi....i'm a Hoggan from Falkirk My name is Rose and i have a sister Rachel and brothers James and Neil Hoggan.Can anyone help me with researching my family tree.Best wishes and thanks ROSIE....... ;D
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Hi Rosie,
Welcome to Rootschat!! ;D
If you have a look at the post I made further up on this thread ('search instructions'), I'm sure you'll find loads of messages.
Best way to start is with the info you have - your parents, their parents etc., document everything, then start concentrating on which individual's line you want to follow.
You can be guaranteed plenty of help here - so just ask!!
Anne
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I just read Millstream's post. The link with Lynch's only seems to exist through our daughter Sarah Hoggan thourgh her mother Morag Walker's ancestors back to the Lynch's you refer to, i.e. Owen Lynch. Morag is Owen Lynch's great great great grand-daughter and obviously Patrick Lynch's great great great great grand-daughter..
Owen Lynch
Philip Lynch
Jane Lynch (married John Morton) born 1872
Alexander Morton (married Grace Reith, who traces back to Stonehaven and the same line as Lord Reith, Director General of the BBC) born 1902
Enid Morton (married John Walker) born 1938
Morag Walker (my partner) born 1964
Sarah Jessica Hoggan, born 2002.
I haven't found much back to IReland but did find a census record for County Cavan in 1821, townland of Rassan parish of Crosserlough barony of Castlerahan House Number 6 for Lynchs.
Patrick Lynch age 38 born 1783
Mary Lynch age 34 born 1787 and children John, James Patrick Anne Mary Bridget and Catherine.
No idea if it has any relevance to our Lynch search but it showed there are some records available.
Cheers
Les
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Tasmania,
I'm a descendant of Peter Robb (31 Jul 1840 - 19 Jul 1909) through his daughter Elizabeth and her son George Robb Cumming.
Please reply if you would like to chat about what I have on the Robbs.
Gary
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Tasmania,
I'm a descendant of Peter Robb (31 Jul 1840 - 19 Jul 1909) through his daughter Elizabeth and her son George Robb Cumming.
Please reply if you would like to chat about what I have on the Robbs.
Gary
Children of George ROBB and Elizabeth BETTS are:
+ 5 i. Jean (Jane) ROBB was born 28 Nov 1838 in Polmont, Stirling, Scotland, was christened 17 Dec 1838 in Polmont, Stirling, Scotland, and died 8 Oct 1900 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland.
6 ii. Elizabeth ROBB was born 28 Nov 1838 in Polmont, Stirling, Scotland, was christened 17 Dec 1838 in Polmont, Stirling, Scotland.
+ 7 iii. Peter ROBB was born 31 Jul 1840 in Polmont, Stirling, Scotland, was christened 18 Aug 1840 in Polmont Stirling, Scotland, and died 19 Jul 1909 in Grangmouth, Falkirk, Scotland.
8 iv. Andrew ROBB was born 19 Oct 1842 in Polmont, Stirling, Scotland, was christened 24 Oct 1842 in Polmont Stirling, Scotland, and died 2 Jan 1883 in Falkirk, Stirling. He married Mary HILL EST 1860. She was born 1837, and died 1907.
9 v. George ROBB was born 7 Apr 1844 in Polmont, Stirling, Scotland, was christened 19 May 1844 in Polmont Stirling, Scotland. He married Jean CARMICHAEL EST 1865. She was born EST 1845.
10 vi. Agnes ROBB was born 4 Nov 1845 in Polmont, Stirling, Scotland, was christened 16 Nov 1845 in Polmont Stirling, Scotland.
11 vii. David ROBB was born 3 Dec 1847 in Polmont, Stirling, Scotland, was christened 12 Dec 1847 in Polmont Stirling, Scotland.
12 viii. Mary ROBB was born EST 1849. She married James TAYLOR 28 May 1869 in Falkirk Stirling Sct. He was born EST 1843.
Father: George ROBB b: 26 Oct 1815 in Dalmeny, Linlithgowshire Scotland c: 12 Dec 1815 in Dalmeny, West Lothian, Scotland
Mother: Elizabeth BETTS b: 22 Nov 1808 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland c: 21 Dec 1808 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland
Marriage 1 Helen PATERSON b: EST 1840
•Married: EST 1864
Children
1. Francis Paterson ROBB b: 1865 in Clackmannann, Sct
2. Peter ROBB b: 1867 in Falkirk, Stirling Sct.
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Sneddon family you are mentioning eventually became Snadan I believe. Don't know why. Anyway they linked in the Gillespie family of Denny and Wilson family of Denny Falkirk.
I belong to the Gillespie family and my cousin is a Lynn-Wilson. Believe one fo the William Gillespie's had a brother Robert born in 1821 in Alloa. He is my direct line and have family tree done by specialist researcher which can send to you the bit which is relevant if you PM me your email address it's in pdf form. The Snadan/Sneddon and Hoggan families are a little to the right hand side of my family tree as only did direct route but know there is a link but don't know exactly how. Would love to find out.
T.
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Karen,
My Great-Great Grandmother was a Agnes Hoggan (farm servant) who had an illegitemate daughter Agnes McFarlane Hoggan (born 25th Decenber 1896 (registered in 1897 births) - Underwood, Parish of Falkirk). The father was not given on the birth certificate.
Agnes Hoggan McFarlane (her father noted as James McFarlane, ploughman, deceased on the Marriage cert), married John Hagen on 10th November 1916.
I can't go back any further than Agnes and James as they did not get married.
Is this Agnes a relation of you and if so do you know any more?
John Laird
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I am coming back to post No 82 re a connection between Hoggan and Lynch (my surname). I want to explore this one a bit more now that I have more time (just retired) to trace through Owen Lynch through Philip Lynch. I do not have a Jane Lynch - I have a Jeanie Lynch. are these two first names interchangeable in Scotland?
I am tracing my family history back to Scotland from Australia. The original (and only) Lynch that came to Australia on his own from this family was Edward Robert who was born in Balmaghie, Kirkabright, Dumfries, Scotland (1951 genus below). Arr in Sydney 4.9.1856 on the "Lloyd" I am now trying to trace the rest of the family in Scotland. to see what happened to them.
I have the extended Edward Robert Lynch Australian family complete from when he arrived in Sydney NSW and am happy to swap details.
The information I have located to date is that Edward Lynch is in the 1841 and 1851 census with his parents Owen Lynch. Born in Cavin Ireland and Margaret Stewart born in Meath Ireland.
1851 Census:
Owen Lynch 40
Margaret Lynch 42
Philip 19
Edward 17
John 15
Mary 13
James 10
Agnes 8
Margaret 6
Michael 4
Dolly 1
I there anyone interested in looking further into the Hoggan/Lynch family connections?
Regards
Paul
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I am coming back to my earlier - much earlier - post on Lynch as I have obtained additional info that may be of interest or assist any of you researching this thread. http://www.dumgal.gov.uk/historicalindexes/census.aspx
Additional info on Philip and Rebecca Lynch (Love): Philip was born in 1832 at Kelton, KBT. Married on 14/4/1863 at Penninghame Wigtown. Death 14/4/1906
Aged 71 years
Family Members
Spouse
Photo
Rebecca Love Lynch
unknown–1919
Philip Lynch
BIRTH unknown
DEATH 14 Apr
BURIAL
Clachan at Penninghame Cemetery
Newton Stewart, Dumfries and Galloway, Scotland
MEMORIAL ID 172558380 · View Source
Inscription
In memory of Philip LYNCH, who died at Clary Hill on 14th April aged 71 years. Also, his son John died in infancy. Also, his son John died in Colorado City, Colorado, USA, 4th Nov 1887, aged 22 years. Also, his son James died in Ladysmith, South Africa, on 21st March 1900, aged 29 years. Rebecca LOVE, the wife of the above Philip LYNCH, died at Clary Hill 3rd, Feby 1919, aged 85 years. Jane, daughter of the above, died at Glasgow 15th. May 1926, aged 54 years.
Gravesite Details A mention in this inscription does not necessarily mean a burial at this location.