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Title: an offer of Help with Catholic families of the Fylde
Post by: Phil Tomlinson on Wednesday 11 April 07 15:04 BST (UK)
So many of you have helped me but I feel I offer very little in return.  I live in the USA so my access to original source records is limited but if anyone ever needs information regarding Catholic families of the Fylde (especially the families of Tomlinson, Gillow, Bamber, Richardson, Bradley) please do not hesitate to contact me.  I also have copies of the Catholic Record Society volumes pertaining to Fylde registers and most of the 1767 "Register of Papists". 

Phil
Title: Re: an offer
Post by: jinks on Friday 13 April 07 22:13 BST (UK)
Hi Tom

On the papist returns are there any Singletons?

namely Simon Singleton wife Ann
OR Jacobus (James or Jacob) Singleton wife Anne
they could be possibly living in Salwick, Lea or
Clifton

Jinks
Title: Re: an offer
Post by: Phil Tomlinson on Saturday 14 April 07 20:18 BST (UK)
Jinks,
Here is what I was able to find:

CLIFTON
Simon Singleton 52 Husbandman 15 years (time of residence)
Ann Singleton his Wife 57 15 years
John Singleton Son of Do 29 Husbandman 15 years
Elizth Singleton Daughter of Do 17 15 years
James Singleton Son of Do 26 Tanner 6 months
Mary Singleton Daughter of Do 13 13 years

William Singleton 80 Husbandman 58 years
James Singleton 30 Husbandman 30 years
Margt Chadwick Daughter of Do 28 28 years
William Chadwick Son of Do 5 5 years

SALWICK
George Singleton 39 Husbandman 16 years
Mary Singleton his Wife 47 16 years
Mary Singleton Daughtr of Do 16 16 years
John Singleton Son of Do 13 13 years

I did not find any Singletons listed in Lea but I'll keep looking.

Phil
Title: Re: an offer
Post by: jinks on Sunday 15 April 07 14:52 BST (UK)
The First Family Simon Singleton is the one
I am looking for  ;D

Simon was the father to James, and Elizabeth

I will have to look in to the other Families,

William is certainly a possibility for the father of
Simon (glad they lived long and prospered) 8)

Jinks

I think George is possibily another Singleton
family I am looking into.


Title: Re: an offer
Post by: Tees on Sunday 15 April 07 15:10 BST (UK)
Hi Tomfurn,

Does this "Papist Returns" only apply to Lancashire?

This is possibly a great source to look up in.

I have two families of this faith but I am not sure if your Returns covered only Lancashire or the whole England. My two families are based in Northern England.

Kind regards,

Tees
Title: Re: an offer
Post by: Phil Tomlinson on Sunday 15 April 07 17:11 BST (UK)
Jinks,
I found a George in Salwick:

George Singleton 39 Husbandman 16 years
Mary Singleton his Wife 47 16 years
Mary Singleton Daughtr of Do 16 16 years
John Singleton Son of Do 13 13 years

Tees,
I have copies only of Lancashire and only of the parts of Lancashire my ancestors resided in (Fylde and Wyresdale area) but I believe the Return covered other parts of England and Wales. Check the Catholic Record Society list of publications http://www.catholic-history.org.uk/crs/#MONOG.

Good luck all,
Phil
Title: Re: an offer
Post by: grannygreen on Saturday 25 February 17 18:04 GMT (UK)
Good evening

I am hoping I can take you up on your offer regarding a look up on the Returns of The Papists 1767

I am looking for

Catherine Kilshaw (could be Culshaw or variant)
and John Baines (could be Baynes)

in the Sandholme/Barnacre/Nether Wyresdale/Forest of Wyresdale/ Garstang area and any of her & his family

Thank you so much in advance

Marilyn
Title: Re: an offer
Post by: Phil Tomlinson on Sunday 26 February 17 13:41 GMT (UK)
Marilyn,
I find the following entries in Garstang parish and Wyresdale:

Barnacre with Bonds, Garstang parish
John Baynes     (occupation Miller)  Age 38    Resident 14 years
Mary his wife                                      30                   8
Jane                                                   8                    8
Barnaby                                             5                    5
Richard                                               2                    2
Henry                                                 1                    1
Bartholomew     (Husbandman)             26                  7
John                                                   15                  3
Note:  the above appeared to be in the same household

Winmerley, Garstang
Catherine Kilshaw    (Spinster)              40                 20

Thomas Baynes    (Husbandman)          30                  9
Margaret (wife)                                    24                 24
Thomas                                               6                   6
Ann                                                    4                   4
John                                                   3                   3
Mary                                                   1                  1
Jane (Singlewoman)                             30                 20

Claughton, Garstang
Margt Baynes (widow)                          60                 3

Barnaby Baynes   (husbandman)          60                  15
Alice (his Wife)                                   54                  15
Mary (Spinster)                                  20                  15
Elizabeth                                           18                  15
Thomas                                             15                  15

Claughton, Garstang
John Baynes       (Labourer)                 50                  1
Mary (his Wife)                                   43                  1
Margaret                                            14                  1
Mary                                                  9                   1
Elizabeth                                            6                    1
Ellen                                                  4                    1
James                                                2                    1
Alice                                                  1                    1

Wyresdale, Lancaster parish
Jno Baines     (Farmer)                     40 y 6 m        25 y 7 m
Mary (Wife)                                     35   4            11   2
Ellen                                               8    10            8   10
Ann                                                7     1             7    1
Jane                                                4    4             4    4



Ann                                                     4                  4


Title: Re: an offer
Post by: grannygreen on Sunday 26 February 17 13:53 GMT (UK)
Thank you so so much this is wonderful and answers a few questions - very grateful

Marilyn
Title: Re: an offer
Post by: Phil Tomlinson on Sunday 26 February 17 14:17 GMT (UK)
Are you connected to the family listed in Wyresdale?  I have strong Wyresdale connections.

Phil
Title: Re: an offer
Post by: grannygreen on Sunday 26 February 17 14:29 GMT (UK)
Our family name in this area is Blackow/Blacoe/Blakoe + others!

We have got as far back as Richard Blakoe of Cabus born around 1707 this is my husband's 6th Great Grandfather

In Richards will of 1776 I have received this week , he leaves the sum of 201 to his niece Catherine Kilshaw (who you have just found!) plus John Baines in the Forest of Bowland

Further problems here as his son in law (also mentioned in the will who owed him 150) is another John Baines (the miller who you have also found)

I was hoping Catherine being his niece would really help me go back another generation but I cannot find any Kilshaw & Blacoe marriages but of course the would be catholic marriages so it is  very difficult as I am sure you know

Please could I ask was Catherine Kilshaw in the same household as Thomas Baynes and family in Winmerley?

I think the John Baines & Mary in Wyresdale is the John I am looking for - I also think his wife was Mary Kilshaw so this could be another link - possibly

Thank you for your interest
Title: Re: an offer
Post by: Phil Tomlinson on Sunday 26 February 17 14:56 GMT (UK)
Catherine Kilshaw was in her own household which also included her 12 year old servant John Wignal. 

I have in my files John Baines and Mary Kilshaw married 29 Jun 1756 at St. Helen's, Garstang.  Their daughter Ann married George Ibison 28 May 1781 at St. Helen's, Garstang.  George Ibison was part of my Bamber family of Wyresdale.

Were Mary and Catherine Kilshaw sisters?

Phil
Title: Re: an offer
Post by: grannygreen on Sunday 26 February 17 15:03 GMT (UK)
Yes I believe they were as on the banns (6th, 13th & 20th June) from St Helen Garstang it states that John Baines was from Wyresdale and Mary Kilshaw was from Winmarleigh  (same as Catherine)

They  are also down as being married at St Mary the Priory Lancaster on 22 Jun 1756 John Baynes Husbandman of this parish and spinster Mary Culshaw of Garstang

Both above are on Lancs OPC

Title: Re: an offer
Post by: Phil Tomlinson on Sunday 26 February 17 17:16 GMT (UK)
I see on another will, that of Thomas Threlfall of Fowler Hill, Cabus, yeoman, 1774, that Catherine Kilshaw (described as daughter of Richard), niece, is named as a beneficiary.  The only other beneficiaries are William Smith of Claughton, and Thomas Swarbrick of Nateby (described as nephew).  The 1767 Returns of Papists show Thomas Threlfall, Husbandman, aged 69 resident 40 years of Winmerley.  By the way they also list Rich Blacoe, Husbandman, age 61 20 year resident.
Title: Re: an offer
Post by: grannygreen on Sunday 26 February 17 17:35 GMT (UK)
That is a great turn up so her father was Richard tiny step by step we are getting there

I think her father must have married one of Richard's sisters or maybe Richards wife was a Kilshaw and it is one of her brothers children?

It is so frustrating not being able to see any marriages or baptisms for this period.

I did find a death on Lancashire OPC in 1730 and also in 1734 of a Mary Kilshay daughter of Richard of Garstang so this could be him.

When you have time (no rush at all!) Is there any sign of Richard Kilshaw or any other Kilshaw's on the Papist returns?

Regarding Richard Blakoe yes I knew he was there along with his son Joseph (our blood line) in Cabus

Thank you so much for this
Title: Re: an offer
Post by: Maiden Stone on Sunday 26 February 17 22:03 GMT (UK)
Hi Phil. I've been following grannygreen's other query about these families. This is the 2nd time I've seen the name Smith mentioned in connection with them. My 6xGGM Alice Smith, a widow, married Richard Lamb in Garstang in 1760. The first 30+ years of her  life are a blank. I'm starting to wonder if she was R.C. Would you please look for her as Alice Lamb on the Return of Papists ? Places of abode: Barnacre; Ellel; and Forton which was in Cockerham parish. She was in Forton in May 1767 & 1769 when her daughters were born. Could you also tell me if any of the Smith families in Garstang were on the Papists' Returns ?
Thank-you.
Title: Re: an offer
Post by: Phil Tomlinson on Wednesday 01 March 17 00:24 GMT (UK)
I'm a little slower to reply during the week  :)  I have been looking through the 1767 returns and so far have only found this Richard Kilshaw:

Chapelry of Caton in Lancaster parish:

Males:  Richard Kilshaw  Years of Age:  72  Occupation:  Husbandman  Years of Residence:  40 Years
Females:  Ellen Kilshaw wife of R.C.  Years of Age:  60  [no additional information]

These are the only Kilshaws listed in Caton.

If I read correctly your husband is descended from John Bains and Mary Kilshaw of Over Wyresdale.  I have John Bains as the son of James Bains and Elizabeth Parkinson.  I have additional information on John Bains' siblings and also some information on the Parkinson line.   Not a lot, but some.  Perhaps you have all of this already, but let me know if it is of interest to you.

I  will see if I can find anymore Richard Kilshaw listings in thr 1767 returns.

Phil
Title: Re: an offer
Post by: grannygreen on Wednesday 01 March 17 12:43 GMT (UK)
Good afternoon Phil

Once again thank you for the information - I shall certainly take a look at Richard & Ellen Kilshaw, on a quick look on Lancs OPC I found a burial of Ellin Kilshaw widow abode Salwick buried St Anne Woodplumpton 17 Jan 1805 age 98 years - this would put her at the correct age of Ellen 60 in 1767!
but i can find nothing on Richard at the moment

John Baines & his wife Mary Kilshaw of Over Wyresdale could be relations (through Mary) but I cannot prove anything as yet

John Baines of Over Wyresdale and Catherine Kilshaw (sister to Mary) were left 201 in our Richard Blacoe's will and he called Catherine Kilshaw his niece (which of course would put Mary as a niece too!) but I just cannot find a link or a Kilshaw/Blacoe marriage

What makes it more complicated is our Richard Blacoe's daughter Mary Blacoe married John  Baines the miller of Sandholme (son of Barnaby Baines of Claughton/Wyresdale) in the will Richard called in a debt that his son in law John Baines of Sandholme owed him of 150 - so he wasn't left anything in Richard's will

Please only do any more look ups when you have time, there really is no rush Richard has waited over 300 years for me to find him - he can wait a bit longer

Take care and thanks again
Marilyn
Title: Re: an offer
Post by: Phil Tomlinson on Sunday 05 March 17 23:57 GMT (UK)
Maiden Stone,
I did not find any households with the surname Lamb in the 1767 returns, but here are the Smith households in Garstang.  The first numeric column is the person's age and the second numeric column is years of residence:

Catteral
James Smith  Husbandman  33  8
Margt            his Wife  33  8
Ann     10  10
James  8  8
Thomas  6  6
William  2  2

Claughton
James Smith     Husbandman  84  8
Thos Smith       "               "   60  20
Jane Wife of Thos Smith         56  56
Adam               Husbandman  24  24
Charles              "              "   22  22
George              "              "   20  20
[Jennet Derham  Servant        21  1]


Title: Re: an offer
Post by: Maiden Stone on Monday 06 March 17 01:50 GMT (UK)
Thank-you for the information, Phil. I'll take a closer look at the Smith families with that detail you've given me. I'd noticed a James Smith named as godparent a couple of times.
Best wishes.
Title: Re: an offer
Post by: cristeen on Friday 13 October 17 19:50 BST (UK)
Hi Phil
Would you be kind enough to look on the Papist return list for Gardners in the Garstang area. I am especially interested in a Richard Gardner born abt 1750. He married a Mary Parker in 1779 and they lived at Banks Farm Barnacre. Thanks in anticipation, Christine
Title: Re: an offer of Help withCatholic families of the Fylde
Post by: Phil Tomlinson on Wednesday 18 October 17 00:31 BST (UK)
Hi Christine, sorry for the delay.  Following are the households in Garstang parish, from the 1767 Returns of Papists:

Claughton
#527 Oliver Gardner; Servant [in the household of Thomas Leach]; age 14; 1 year resident

#531 Nichs Gardner; Labourer; age 40; 40 year resident
#532 Alice; Wife of Nichs Gardner; age 39; 39 year resident
#533 Elizabeth; age 16; 16 year resident
#534 Mary; age 14; 14 year resident
#535 Michael; age 8; 8 year resident
#536 John; age 4; 4 year resident
#537 Ann; age 2; 2 year resident

#689 William Gardner; Husbandman; age 20; 1 year resident
#690 Alice; his Wife; age 27; 1 year resident
#691 Mary; age 1; 1 year resident

Bilsborrow

#812 John Gardner; Husbandman; age 42; 4 year resident
#813 Margt; his wife; age 45; 2 year resident
#814 Eliz Kitching; age 15; 2 year resident
#815 Margaret Kitching; age 13; 2 year resident
#816 Robt Gardner; age 12; 4 year resident
#817 Hen Kitching; age 8; 2 year resident
#818 Alice Gardner; age 9; 4 year resident
#819 John Gardner; age 7; 4 year resident
#820 Mary Kitching; age 6; 2 year resident
#821 Thos Gardner; age 1; 1 year resident

Let me know if you need anything else.  I included the Kitchings in the last household listed as they appear to be under the same roof and are no doubt Margaret's children from a previous marriage.

Regards,
Phil
Title: Re: an offer of Help withCatholic families of the Fylde
Post by: cristeen on Wednesday 18 October 17 11:43 BST (UK)
No wories, thank you for the reply Phil. I don't think they are mine judging by family names etc  :(
Do the returns cover the Lancaster area? If so any Gardners in Lancaster, Poulton Bare & Torrisholme or Heysham would also be of interest. Many thanks Christine