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Title: ??1861 census puzzle...............
Post by: Helina on Thursday 12 April 07 20:11 BST (UK)
I am researching the Tinney family from Plymouth.

 To start with can find no record of Jessie Tinney's birth.
She was my Great Grandmother, born 1862, Moricetown, Devon, parents Peter Tinney and Mary Ann Williams.  Found her marriage and am sending for a certificate but no birth.

Another puzzle her brother Alfred Peter married Alice Curtis and according to the 1861 census she had a sister called Sophia age 4 both daughters to Mary Curtis age 77???????????I've treble checked. Now there is also a niece Sophia age 40 gather she is the mother and the census has made abit of a mistake.  At least I hope so.

Can somebody check a birth for Jessie, I may of just missed the entry.

Any help or information on this family would be appreciated.

helina
Title: Re: ??1861 census puzzle...............
Post by: Helina on Thursday 12 April 07 20:21 BST (UK)
Another question. Looking into the 1871 census and see that Alice age 11 is a passenger, but what does "Passenger In Ganges " mean?

helina
Title: Re: ??1861 census puzzle...............
Post by: Sisterjane on Thursday 12 April 07 20:38 BST (UK)
Hi Helena

I wonder if this could be her birth mistranscribed as Tinkey

Jessie Tinkey
March Q
1862-Stoke Demeral
Vol 5b-Page 359


Joe
Title: Re: ??1861 census puzzle...............
Post by: Tati on Thursday 12 April 07 20:40 BST (UK)
Yes, Joe !

Looking at the index image it's Tinney  :)

Could you post the census references for Curtis family you are referring to, Helina?
Title: Re: ??1861 census puzzle...............
Post by: Sisterjane on Thursday 12 April 07 20:40 BST (UK)
Hi again

I think " Ganges " is the name of the vessell she was on board on cencus night

Joe
Title: Re: ??1861 census puzzle...............
Post by: lcsnor on Thursday 12 April 07 20:49 BST (UK)
She's on board the "Ganges" on census night.  It is a training ship for boys and an odd place for an 11 year old girl. (see enumerator's comments for that census district)

There are 2 other Curtis on board.

Edward 16 "boy 2nd class" b. Birkenhead, Lancs
Samuel 51, married, Boatswain 1 class, Barnstaple, Devon

Perhaps she is related to one of them.

Louise
Title: Re: ??1861 census puzzle...............
Post by: Richard Knott on Thursday 12 April 07 20:56 BST (UK)
There is also John Curtis, 22, AB, b Newton Bushel a few pages earlier

This will tell you about HMS Ganges:
http://www.hmsgangesassoc.org/frigate.html

Richard
Title: Re: ??1861 census puzzle...............
Post by: Mike Thw on Thursday 12 April 07 20:57 BST (UK)
In 1861 Sophia is described as "Wife of warrant officer".

Is a boatswain 1st class a Warrant officer?
Title: Re: ??1861 census puzzle...............
Post by: lcsnor on Thursday 12 April 07 21:00 BST (UK)
Several of the children on board do seem to be related to officers on board.

(just so you have the full info, John Curtis is apparently on another vessel, the "Liberty Tender", but is in the same listing)
Title: Re: ??1861 census puzzle...............
Post by: lcsnor on Thursday 12 April 07 21:04 BST (UK)
In 1881 Samuel is in Tamar, Stoke Damerel, 19 Herbert St.
Samuel 61, wid,  Retired Warrant officer,
Alice, 20, unm., Dressmaker.

RG11/2213
Title: Re: ??1861 census puzzle...............
Post by: Richard Knott on Thursday 12 April 07 21:07 BST (UK)
HMS Liberty was the tender ship to HMS Ganges in 1871.
R
Title: Re: ??1861 census puzzle...............
Post by: Helina on Thursday 12 April 07 21:09 BST (UK)
Tati,

Folio 203  p 11 peice 2124

Hope this helps

helina.
Title: Re: ??1861 census puzzle...............
Post by: Helina on Thursday 12 April 07 21:16 BST (UK)
You all have been very helpfull.  Will have to have a closer look who the others were on board.

What do you mean by tender ship? I'm not very navy minded.

Looks like the mother must of died between 1861-1871, need to do some more research, but can now order a birth certificate for Jessie, did wonder if Jessie was a real name.

Thanks again

helina
Title: Re: ??1861 census puzzle...............
Post by: Richard Knott on Thursday 12 April 07 21:38 BST (UK)

What do you mean by tender ship? I'm not very navy minded.

http://www.pdavis.nl/ShowShip.php?id=1691
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship's_tender

Looks like the mother must of died between 1861-1871

Which mother do you mean?
Are you interested in your great-grandmother's sister-in-law's parents (Curtis) ie not direct ancestors - or your great-grandmother's parents (Tinney)?
The latter are in Devomport in 1871 indexed under TENNEY.


helina

Richard
Title: Re: ??1861 census puzzle...............
Post by: Richard Knott on Thursday 12 April 07 21:39 BST (UK)
... and if you want Curtis:

1871  RG10/2290
Penryn

Sophie Curtis, 49, mariner's wife, b Devonport
Rosina Curtis, 14, dau, b Devomport

Birth    Dec  1856   Sophia Rosina Curtis     Stoke Damerel  5b 286

Richard
Title: Re: ??1861 census puzzle...............
Post by: Helina on Friday 13 April 07 12:41 BST (UK)
Thanks Richard for your time. It was really my Great Grandmother Jessie that I was interested in but got carried away with the Curtis family. That what genealogy does to you.
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Post by: Plymouth_Ian on Friday 13 April 07 15:46 BST (UK)
Hi All,

Ref reply # 9

"In 1881 Samuel is in Tamar, Stoke Damerel, 19 Herbert St.
Samuel 61, wid,  Retired Warrant officer,
Alice, 20, unm., Dressmaker
"

Herbert Street is slap bang in the middle of Morice Town in Plymouth.

Plymouth_Ian
Title: Re: ??1861 census puzzle...............
Post by: Helina on Friday 13 April 07 15:52 BST (UK)
I wondered where Morice Town was, gaining information all the time. Thanks, Ian.

helina
Title: Re: ??1861 census puzzle...............
Post by: Richard Knott on Friday 13 April 07 17:33 BST (UK)
Thanks Richard for your time. It was really my Great Grandmother Jessie that I was interested in but got carried away with the Curtis family. That what genealogy does to you.

So do you still need any information?
Presumably you have now seen the 1871 entry for Peter Tinney, or would you like me to post it?
Richard
Title: Re: ??1861 census puzzle...............
Post by: Helina on Saturday 14 April 07 14:46 BST (UK)
Hi Richard,

Not sure about the 1871 census, found a Peter Tinney b 1819, boarder. Bottem of page torn.

helina
Title: Re: ??1861 census puzzle...............
Post by: Helina on Saturday 14 April 07 14:52 BST (UK)
Hi Richard,

Not sure about the 1871 census, found a Peter Tinney b 1819, boarder. Bottem of page torn.

helina
Title: Re: ??1861 census puzzle...............
Post by: Richard Knott on Saturday 14 April 07 14:58 BST (UK)
RG10/2135
31 Keate St, Devonport  (indexed as TENNEY)

Peter Tinney, 47, factory lab, b Devonport
Mary Ann Tinney, 48, b Tavistock
Alfred P Tinney, 11, son, b Morice Town
Jessie Tinney, 9, dau, b MT
N/Melly Tinney, 7, dau, b MT
Annie Tinney, 13, dau, b MT

Richard
Title: Re: ??1861 census puzzle...............
Post by: Richard Knott on Saturday 14 April 07 15:08 BST (UK)
...and in case you don't have them:

1861   RG9/1456
7 Pym St
Peter Tinney, 36, pensioner RN, b Devonport
Mary A Tinney, 39, b Devonport
Annie Tinney, 3, b Morice Town
Alfred Tinney, 1, b MT

1881
20 Cambridge st, Stoke Damerel
Peter Tinney, 56, naval pensioner, b Devonport
Mary A T, 57, b Lamerton
Jessie T, 19, domestic servant
Nellie, 17, dressmaker

Alfred P Tinney has joined the RN and is on the Northumberland.

Richard
Title: Re: ??1861 census puzzle...............
Post by: Helina on Saturday 14 April 07 19:40 BST (UK)
Thanks again Richard,
 Had the children and aware Alfred joined joined the navy eventually marrying a lady called Alice.
 But I was wrong regarding the 1871 census entry.
Noticed Mary Ann was born in 2 different places according to the census.
helina