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Could someone please look up this family on the census' mentioned:
James Pamphilon b) 1820, Hertford
Cecilia Pamphilon (maiden name unknown) Wife b) abt 1820
children are:
sarah Anne pamphilon b) 1845 Herftord
Thomas Pamphilon b) 1850 Hertford
Augusta Annie Pamphilon b) 1852 Hertford (my gt gt gt grandmother)
Lydia Elizabeth Pamphilon b) 1853 Hertford
I know that Sarah Anne married William Holloway in 1874, Lydia Elizabeth married Charles Crouch (a widow) in 1876 and Thomas married 3 times though i dont know who or when so he may or may not be with the family on the 1871 depending when he first married!
Any help with this would be most appreciated!
Regards
Emma.
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Starting with the easier to identify year by the index - 1851
Bull Plain, Hertford All Saints, Hertfordshire
Thos Pamphilon Head M 61 Plumber Essex White Rosthing?
Elizth Wife M 57 Yorks Rotherham
Martha daur U 21 Herts Hertford
Susan Ellen daur U 12 Scholar " "
James son M 31 Plumber " "
Celia Son's wife M 31 Norfolk
Sarah Ann grand-dau 6 Scholar Herts Hertford
Thos Nathan Grandson 4 " " "
Lydia grand-dau 1 " "
HO107; Piece: 1711; Folio: 410; Page: 8
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A possible in 1841
Hammond Street, Cheshunt, Hertfordshire
James Pamplin 20 Ag Lab Y
HO107; Piece 444; Book: 12; Folio: 31; Page: 17
The family aren't proving easy to find
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1861 Bull Plain, Hertford All Saints, Hertfordshire
James Pamphilon Head M 40 Plumber and Painter Herts Hertford
Celia Wife M 40 No birthplace given
Sarah A daur U 16 Dressmaker Herts Hertford
Thomas M son 14 Painter's Assistant " "
Lydia daur 11 " "
Augusta daur 8 " "
Ellen Hollingsworth Boarder 6 Scholar " "
// Next door
Thomas Pamphilon Head Widr 73 Plumber Essex White B[N]oothing?
Mary Ann daur Un 38 Dressmaker Herts Hertford
RG9; Piece: 824; Folio: 78; Page: 7
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BRILLIANT!!! Thankyou so much for this!!
The family you have found next door in 1861 are James's father and his sister!!!
Great, thankyou so much for this!
Emma.
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1871 Bull Plain, All Saints, Hertfordshire
James Pamphilon Head M 49 Plumber Hertfordshire Hertford
Cecelia Wife M 42 " "
Thomas son Un 23 " "
Augusta daur Un 17 " "
RG10; Piece: 1373; Folio: 54; Page: 19
This name has been transcribed as Pamphilson and somebody has posted a correction to Pamphilion.
The correction has been posted by a username sueleather from Surrey England on 4/7/2007, presumably this date is americanised and should be 7th April this year. I've sent a contact detail asking her to check this thread and make contact, fingers crossed.
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How exciting!! Fingers crossed indeed!!!! Thankyou so much for finding all of those!!
Would be brilliant to find someone else looking at the same Pamphilon line as myself!!
Regards
Emma
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I've looked at the enumeration districts in 1841, although I don't know the area it seems to me that not all of it is available, only districts 6 and 9 were noted - 6 was almost illegible and 9 said Great Amwell.
It might be a good idea if you were to post a separate look up request for an 1841 look up for the area of Bull Plain and see if anybody has a copy of the original pages, they may be able to find your family that way.
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I shall try that!! Thankyou!!
Emma.
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Hi Emma,
I have established from PRs that James Pamphilon married Celia Fowle at Bengeo on 17th June 1844. I also located the marriages of Thomas to Mary Ann Haines at Cheshunt on 20Oct1816 and James to Elizabeth Sammons at Hertford All Saints on 22Aug1852 and finally the baptism of John s/o Thomas and Elizabeth of Fore Street, Hertford a victualler on 05Apr1852.
Details of these events available if required.
Regards ... Peter
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Thankyou so much for all that information Peter! Especially great to see the maiden name of Celia!! I hadnt ever found that!!
Any further details you have of these events would be gratefully received!!
Thankyou for the time you have spent searching for them!
Regards
Emma
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Hi Emma,
Here we go with three weddings and a baptism .....
James Pamphilon bach painter of Hertford f.Thomas a plumber and Celia Fowle servant of Bengeo f.late James Fowle, married on 17Jun1844 at Bengeo. Witnesses E.Willmott and Mary Kanshall
Thomas Pamphilon bach otp and Mary Ann Haines sp otp married by banns on 20Oct1816 at Cheshunt St Marys. Witnesses James Haines and Elizabeth Corn.
James Pamphilon 24 bach labourer of Hertford Heath f. John a labourer and Elizabeth Sammons 24 sp of the parish of Ware f.John labourer married on 22Aug1852 Hertford All Saints, witnesses George Sammons and James Latter (Church Official)
John Pamphilon s/o Thomas and Elizabeth a victualler of Fore Street, Hertford baptised on 05Apr1818 at Hertford All Saints.
... and finally you will find Celia age 20 on the 1841 a servant in the home of George Skrimshire a farmer of Kettlestone, Norfolk. Ref.HO107/771/13 F7 P21.
Regards ... Peter
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Thankyou so much for this Peter!!
Brilliant informtion! Best get cracking with adding to the tree now then!!
Regards
Emma.
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Hi Emma - Mary contacted me to ask if I can help. I have a book called 'Pamphilon - an Essex family' by Michael Coyne which he published himself in 1992. He had done a lot of work on the various Pamphilon branches over the years and was sure they were all connected. Unfortunately, I have lost contact with him. Having had a quick look through the book, he shows a direct link from your branch via White Roothing (or Roding), Widdington and Thaxted, all in Essex, to a Geoffrey Pamphilon who was hanged in Thaxted in 1304! You and I are linked at Edward born c1572 at Widdington who had various children, including William born c1613 (my ancestor) and Richard born c1617 (your ancestor). I haven't had a chance to verify any of the information in Mike's book, but I can let you have the list of your direct line if you like for you to work on. Sue
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Hi Sue!!
I actually have the exact same book as yourself!! My line is mentioned in oart 10 of the book! There are 2 photos in there which are my gt gt gt grandparents, THOMAS MORTON LEWIN and AUGUSTA ANNIE PAMPHILON!! I have the tree going back to the hangings at Thaxted but im trying to get the details for my main line as though i have most names its nice to try and bring them alive i think!!
Which child do you descend from??
Regards
Emma
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I didnt read your message properly, you have already told me who you descend from!
I am interested in following up Augustas siblings and celias line, also the generation before my James Pamphilon. I would be very interested in your line also to add to the tree! Will kindly pass you my own.
Regards
Emma.
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Hi Emma - I've worked out that we are tenth cousins once removed! A bit remote, but still related! I'm part four and that's me at the bottom of page 51; we attach at 19 Edward - I'm via 39 William and you are 40 Richard, I think.
I agree that it's useful to have Mike's research as a starting point, but like you I want to flesh them out a bit. Let me know how you get on! Sue
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I will definitely let you know how i get on with it and i would hope you will do the same!!
Just been looking for the section 4 p51 you say you are on. The book i have does not go upto p51 for part 4, it ends at p27! I wonder whether we have different books!!
Regards
Emma
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How strange! Mine looks to be hand-typed with a blue cover and gives a publication date of 1992 - perhaps he had it properly published later? Anyway, I'm part four (which starts with 19 Edward) and I'm numbered as 58a. Does that help?
I'm new to all this chat stuff - how do I get your tree and how do I let you have mine?
Sue
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Great to see you two managed to get together!!
Wonderful tree, that's a pretty amazing connection you've made, good luck with the fleshing out the bones.
Mary
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and all thanks to you Mary!!!
Thankyou!
Kind Regards
Emma.
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Hello everyone,
This is my first time on the site. I joined because I am trying to learn about my Pamplin ancestors. My second great-grandmother was Fanetta (Alice) Pamplin who married Samuel Dickey. Her father was Joel Kimmons Pamplin, and he was the son of William Ligon Pamplin. William was born in 1795 in Lunenburg, VA and died in Lincoln County, TN. I see that some Pamplin family trees go all the way back to Geoffrey Paunfilian who was hanged in 1304 in Thaxted, Essex, England. I am amazed that people could get the family history back to far!
I'd be very appreciative if anyone would share information with me. I'm very curious why Geoffrey was hanged and why Robert immigrated to America in 1699.
Thank you very much,
Susan Marie (Surie63)