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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Westmorland => Topic started by: Jeffrey on Monday 14 May 07 19:23 BST (UK)
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Hello Everyone,
I am looking for a death record of Anthony NICHOLSON born 1738 Crosby Ravensworth.
Farmed at Google Hill and Winderwath ASBY.
Also his wife DOROTHY NICHOLSON ( nee HODGSON) born c1740 Orton.
Their last child was born 1793 at Winderwath Asby. So their deaths must be after that. (yes, I realise she is quite old to have a child in 1793 but it is in the Asby parish Records. Could be it is transcribed wrongly or maybe her date of Bpt is wrong will check that later)
I wonder if they were living with a son or daughter in another parish then died or if they died in Asby but I can't find them
One of their daughters was living at Soulby would that be a different parish than Asby?
Help needed please
Judy
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Soulby would be its own parish by this date.
Sue :)
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Hi Judy,
Have you tried looking for any Anthony Nicholson wills at Carlisle Rec Office?
Gillian
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Hi Gillian,
Yes. I have a list of Nicholson Wills and I think just about every one made a will or there is something except - you've guessed it the Anthony or Dorothy I want.
However I may be able to find their deaths in the Soulby PR's rather than Asby.
Appeal for Help. If anyone is going into the Kendal records office please could you look for the deaths of Anthony and Dorothy Nicholson in the Asby and Soulby PR's. It will be after 1793. They were born 1738 ish.
Any more suggestions gratefully received.
Judy
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Hi Judy,
I found this in the MIs. Could be useful??!!
Kendal (Bellingham chapel). Memorial.- This is to certify that the Brass Plates to the East of this Inscription were collected from the Floor and Pew doors of this church, during its Restoration in 1851 and 1852, and were carefully preserved and are precisely the same as they were found at the time. In testimony whereof we have caused this Brass plate to be engraved. Joseph Watkins Barnes, vicar of Kendal. William Chaplin, curate; churchwardens, John Mann, churchhusband, Edward Branthwaite, Isaac Edmondson, Joseph Barrow, Robert B. Hunter, Rainforth Hodgson, Samuel Compston, Thomas Busher, Henry Cragg, Thomas Brockelbank, Anthony Nicholson, Joseph Morton, Christopher Birkett, John Washington, Parish clerk.
Gillian
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Judy
I just had a look at my copy of the Orton parish registers and I cannot find the christening of a Dorothy Hodgson in the period Feb 1739/40 to Aug 1746.
There are the following Orton christenings between Feb 1739/40 and Mar 1742/3:
4 May 1740 Rachel da of Thomas Hodgson of Cocklake
17 Feb 1740/1 Christopher the son of Thomas Hodgson of Edge
25 Nov 1741 Thomas the son of ThomasJohn Hodgson of Tebay
9 Mar 1741/2 Isabel the daughter of Thomas Hodgson of Scarside
10 Dec 1742 Jennet the daughter of Thomas Hodgson of Tebay Gill Edge
regards
Deborah
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Hi Deborah,
Thanks again for this.
I got this date for Dorothy and the name of her father from some one else so I will have to verify that when I next go up to Kendal. The person who gave me that was not too sure about who her father was.
However Dorothy Hodgson married Anthony Nicholson 16 Oct 1771 in the Parish of Asby. Dorothy Hodgson was of Scarside Orton. This was from OPR Asby.
Judy
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Judy
The Orton parish register also has:
the marriage of Thomas Hodgson and Isabel Potter on 31 Aug 1740
the marriage of William Hodgson of Kirkby Lonsdale and Elizabeth _arrer of Orton on 28 Nov 1742
the marriage of William Hodgson of Scarside and Anne Noble of Borrowbridge both of Orton on 29 Mar 1744
the burial of Thomas Hodgson of Scarside, aged 21, small pox on 18 Mar 1742/3 (*)
(*) there is also the christening of Thomas the son of Thomas Hodgson of Bousfell on 11 Jan 1721/2 which I assume is a match.
Do you think there is a possibility that Dorothy is 10 years younger than you think? - that would remove any problems with the christening of that last child and she would still be old enough to marry in 1771. My extract of the Orton parish register doesn't get as far as 1750 so I can't refute or confirm.
regards
Deborah
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Hi Deborah
Just found more info.
Wilyam Hodgson b1703 Orton married Dorothy Bird in 1725 Orton.
Son William bpt 1728
M1 1742 Elizabeth Farrer
M2 1744 Ann Noble - these two you gave too.
Then apparently Dorothy born c1745.
So I think you are right that she was maybe born later than 1745 and that would tie in much better with her last child.
If only I could find the deaths it may just say how old - or am I being optimistic!
Thanks for your input.
Judy
Just as a post script are there any Hansons in Orton in the 1700 or 1600's or before if you have the records. I have some wills from there and can not quite tie them in to my other Hanson's.
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Judy
From the restricted periods I have covering Orton:
18th of a month between Sep and Dec 1717 [__] Hodgson and Mary Hanson marry (*)
(*) I'm sorry but I cannot read the month or the man's name on my copy. It may be clearer on the original.
There is also a Hodgson/Nicholson marriage in CR - a John Hodgson is christened in 1797 to John H and Dorothy N.
regards
Deborah
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Hi Gillian,
Thanks for your bit about Anthony Nicholson & the Church Pews at Kendal.
As yet I can not connect them but will keep it in mind. You just never know with any of these small bits of info where they might lead.
Judy
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Hi Again,
I have a marriage:
Lancelot Langhorn of Kirkby Thore marr Hannah Dover 5/12/1811 St Michael's Bongate witnesses: Thomas Nicholson & Ann Nicholson.
Any idea who these Nicholsons were?
Gillian
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Sorry Gillian. Can't tie these two in with any that I have.
Judy
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Came across your posting today. My wife's family name (paternal) is Nicholson or Nickolson. I have traced them back into Beetham and also into Morecambe. There are many Nick's in these areas!! Maybe helpful, I hope so!!
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According to the IGI there was an Anthony Nicholson baptised at Crosby Ravensworth on 8th June 1738, son of Henry Nicholson.
HTH,
Caspar
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Thanks have got him in the PRs'.
Anthony son of Henry Nicholson and Mary Kitching bap 1738.
Henry Nicholson was bap 1710 Crosby Ravensworth. His parents were Anthony Nicholson and Agnes Wilkinson.
I have proved with PR's Wills etc that the tree is right to there.
However the only Anthony Nicholson born around 1680/90 that I can find to be his father is one born in Barton Westmorland in 1685 to Henry Nicholson and Annas Sisson.
I would very much like more proof that this is the right one. I am hoping maybe a will of an Uncle or spinster Aunt may turn up and prove this for me or something!
Judy
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Hi Judy,
Impressive!
Can you trace any of the spouses' families?
Is it a leap of faith to think that Mary Kitching was baptised at Crosby Ravensworth in 1715 and was the daughter of James?
And how about Dorothy Hodgson's parents?
Many thanks,
Caspar
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Yes, have got Mary's father as James Kitching.
James married Agnes Bland in 1705 in Crosby Ravensworth.
These are through the Crosby Ravensworth PR's. But have no other evidence to back it up as yet. Haven't researched Kitching or Bland wills as yet.
Still have Dorothy Hodgson born around 1745ish at Scarside, Orton. Potentially parents are: Father William Hodgson Mother Margaret Burton. Now I was given this information by some one else and have not followed it up in any PR's or anything so can not verify it as right. Hoping something may turn up to prove it one way or the other.
Are you researching this family?
Judy
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Hi
I know its pulling away a little but there is an Anthony Nicholson is in Coupland just out side Appleby1810 & 1812 baptising sons William & Bernard mother is a Jane Stephenson
hope it fits somewhere
Regards
Westmoreland
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hi
i believe that this is my nicholson family who started off in hornby lancashire then moved north to appleby area then to Durham then back to lancashire i have got a tree on another site
do you come from the nicholson line
thanks adrian
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Hi Adrian
I m a local historian so no to The Nicholson being mine
Good luck
Westmorland
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thank you
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the marriage of William Hodgson of Kirkby Lonsdale and Elizabeth _arrer of Orton on 28 Nov 1742
Hi Deborah
It's a while since we corresponded but are you still able to access the Orton Parish Records?
I am unable to find this entry in the Transcripts of the Orton Parish Registers. Have you access to the actual PR's if so can you check it for me please.
Also I think William has a son born in 1728 to Dorothy Bird. Are you able to check that for me too please.
Thank you
Judy