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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Ayrshire => Topic started by: q98 on Wednesday 16 May 07 10:25 BST (UK)
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At 9PM on 2nd August 1879, John McCreadie of 8 Allison Street, Newton (on-Ayr) was killed less than one month after the birth of his son. The location and cause of death were recorded as “On board No. 1 tug boat Ayr Harbour” and “Crushed to death under the lever of an engine” respectively. As the Certifying Physician was “John Riddall, Surgeon”, it is improbable he was buried at sea. The 4th August 1879 edition of “The Scotsman” reported the death but identified him as “John Mackenzie”. However, in the following days edition, it was corrected to “Macreadie”.
To date, I have been unable to determine John's final resting place; if he was buried in Ayr or Ballantrae (as his father was living in Ballantrae and “Informant” on his Death Extract, I thought the remains may have been taken to Ballantrae for burial). After checking with North and South Ayrshire plus "revmother2" of this website, John's final resting place remains a mystery.
Is anyone able to assist locating this man's grave?
Q98
Fremantle
Western Australia
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Still looking, just refreshing my enquiry.
Q98
Fremantle
Western Australia.
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Refreshing my enquiry and hoping SKS can assist.
This is the story behind my search for the location of John's grave which would complete his son's private life story. I am compiling son John's private life to complement his Army Service record held at the Australian War Memorial, Canberra.
The 1881 Census records widow Margaret and children Jane, Isabella and John still resident at 8 Allison Street, Newton-on-Ayr. Late the following year, they emigrated to Australia where, Jane married Alexander Adie WILLS in Queensland in 1895 and Isabella married Albert Ernest WYATT also in Queensland in 1899. At Townsville, Queensland on 14th February 1916, John enlisted in 15th Battalion, Australian Imperial Force (AIF). On 10 July 1917, he died of wounds. His final resting place is Plot 4, Row F, Grave 1, Strand Military Cemetery, Ploegsteert Wood, 2 miles south of Messines.
Q98
Fremantle
Western Australia
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Hi Q98 !
If you haven't already done it ....... I wonder if an email to either ( or both ) of these sites may bring some results !!
http://www.ayrshirehistory.org.uk/
http://www.ayrshirearchives.org.uk/about.htm
Was there a coroners report ?
Annie :)
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Do the newspapers in Scotland contain funeral notices similar to those in Australia - is it possible to find the local paper for the area & time and see if archives for same exist?
This would be one of the few times that I would think a paid researcher, preferable a local with a good knowledge of the area, could be of assistance.
Trish
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Hi Q98
The local Council Offices usually have a Lair List (I've used this way to find graves for some of mine before - not in Ayrshire though). The Council covering Ayr and Ballantrae would be South Ayrshire Council:
http://www.south-ayrshire.gov.uk/
I'm not sure what department but it might be worth getting in touch with the Dept of Development, Safety and REgulation.
I presume that this accident would have been reported to the Procurator Fiscal (no coroners reports in Scotland) as well but it's not likely to give info on the place of burial.
Regards
Gadget
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Apologies folks for not replying and thanking you for your advice - I've been away a while. I am no further forward with this individual's final resting place.
Q98
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I am determined to locate this ancestor's final resting place. Is any resident of Ayr or its environs able to help?
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Hi
It's a long time ago but did you contact any of the links that we gave?
Gadget
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Yes, every single one! All to no avail; either no response or does not hold the relevant records but cannot say who does, etc.
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I'm surprised as the council should have the lair books.
https://www.south-ayrshire.gov.uk/births-marriages-deaths/cemeteries/cemeterylocations.aspx
this does say
Searches may be made in Burial Records for the appropriate fee.
Nothing in FindaGrave but he possibly didn't have a stone.
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I looked up death Cert on WWW.Scotlandspeople.Org.Uk and have following-
John McCreadie died 2 Aug 1879 Occupation- Stoker on Tug Boat. home 8 Alison St. Newton Ayr. Spouse Isabella Wilson. Father John McCreadie -Fisherman. Mother Isabella Welsh.
"Crushed to death under lever of an engine".
There is a further certificate attached which goes into more detail-The inquiry.
Scotland's site is fee paying but if you know what you are looking for you can save much by using info known instead of wild carding.I have McCreadie's in my tree but at this time do not thing your ancestor is amongst them.
Sheena
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Hi Sheena :)
I maybe wrong, but I think that Q98 has the death info. It was the burial info that was required:
At 9PM on 2nd August 1879, John McCreadie of 8 Allison Street, Newton (on-Ayr) was killed less than one month after the birth of his son. The location and cause of death were recorded as “On board No. 1 tug boat Ayr Harbour” and “Crushed to death under the lever of an engine” respectively. As the Certifying Physician was “John Riddall, Surgeon”, it is improbable he was buried at sea. The 4th August 1879 edition of “The Scotsman” reported the death but identified him as “John Mackenzie”. However, in the following days edition, it was corrected to “Macreadie”.
To date, I have been unable to determine John's final resting place; if he was buried in Ayr or Ballantrae (as his father was living in Ballantrae and “Informant” on his Death Extract, I thought the remains may have been taken to Ballantrae for burial). After checking with North and South Ayrshire plus "revmother2" of this website, John's final resting place remains a mystery.
Is anyone able to assist locating this man's grave?
Q98
Fremantle
Western Australia
Gadget
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Thank you for your interest. However, it is the final resting place of John Snr that I seek.
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Have you been in touch with Troon Family History Society?
htttps://www.troonayrshirefhs.org.uk
Publications list includes graveyards.
Ayr Auld Kirk, Newton-on-Ayr, Newton Green, Wallacetown and Ayr Cemetery are 5 possible sites if he was buried in Ayr. What was his religious denomination? There was a Secessionist graveyard and a Catholic one.
Was there no mention in newspaper of his funeral? Ayr Advertiser, Ayrshire Post? Carrick Herald and Carrick Gazette cover events in south of the county. Ballantrae is at southern end. A Stranraer newspaper might have had Ballantrae news.
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Thanks Maiden Stone. The 4th August 1879 edition of “The Scotsman” reported the death but identified him as “John Mackenzie”. However, in the following days edition, it was corrected to “Macreadie”.
As Ballantrae burial records are held at Girvan "Registry Office"(?), I contacted there but John was not buried in Ballantrae following a search up to 4 weeks following his demise.
Of the cemeteries you suggest, the sole one I have not contacted is Ayr Cemetery. However, I will do so in the near future. I have been told that old burial records could be retained at the "Crematorium" (?) near a garden centre and adjacent "Cotton Traders" store. ???
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Possible for the Cotton Traders store, the address is showing as Dobbies Garden Centre, A70, Old Toll, Ayr KA6 5JJ
Re Crematorium, could possibly refer to Masonhill Crematorium, Ayr KA6 6EN ? See www.south-ayrshire.gov.uk/births-marriages-deaths/crematorium/
Monica
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Thanks MonicaL. The name "Dobbie" rings a bell.
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Hi,
The following was a part answer to a query on Rootschat way back on 19th Nov 2010 regarding newspapers and archives in Ayr. The original poster was "grendlsmother"
" The Ayrshire Post archives in Ayr Library [/b]go from 1880 to date, The Ayr Advertiser goes from 1803 to date and the Ayr Observer goes from 1832 to 1930."[/color]
A follow up response suggested that someone on the Library staff was obliging enough to find the information requested.
This would be worth a try, but as the post was 8+ years ago, when staffing levels in Local Authorities were greater, things may have altered, or the archives may have been moved. Someone should however be able to help or advise you.
Another approach might be to identify where his parents lived and died and whether there was a family lair in a nearby cemetery. This could reduce the search area considerably
Good Luck
Istrice
My apologies, I have just revisited paragraph 2 of your original post.
Istrice
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Thank you Istrice for your interest, input and suggestion. I will endeavour to establish contact; here's hoping!
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Possible for the Cotton Traders store, the address is showing as Dobbies Garden Centre, A70, Old Toll, Ayr KA6 5JJ
Re Crematorium, could possibly refer to Masonhill Crematorium, Ayr KA6 6EN ? See www.south-ayrshire.gov.uk/births-marriages-deaths/crematorium/
Monica
This is correct. It's owned by the local authority, South Ayrshire Council. Entrance to the road leading to the crematorium is opposite Dobbies' garden centre. The café at Dobbies does good business from mourners. Some who travel from a distance make a pre-funeral visit to the café. "Cotton Traders" is a franchise inside Dobbies' store.
Edit. I suggest you contact Troon Family History Society. Publications on the website include Ayr Cemetery. You can ask about burial records and newspaper archives and contacts. Kill several birds with one stone rather than making enquiries in different LA departments. As someone else said, LA staff have been much reduced in the past decade. Crematorium staff in particular will be very short of time. Their priority is those recently deceased.
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E-mail sent to Carnegie Library. Awaiting developments.