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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: bell2 on Tuesday 22 May 07 15:19 BST (UK)
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This is a bit of along shot,but here goes. ???
Baptism Cert
Gutlip Shubart, ( Lance Corporal HM 84th Regt
Ann Shubart, mother to SON: David, born, 24 Augt 1848,Secunderbad,India.
Baptism Cert
DAUGHTER:Mary Ann, born,2 November 1850,Tichinopoly,India.
In the presence of: A Shubart proxy for Mary Ann Pepper, G Bloomer (sponsor), x mark of Georgiana Bonynge (sponsor).
I have no futher info on this family before or after these dates,
as their father was in the British Army I think he may have come from UK,so I'm looking to Emigration.
Also posted on US site. Hoping for some info, Belle
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Belle,
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/INDIA/2007-01/1169474279
a google brought up this thread that mentions Gutlip - have you been in contact with this person who appears to be researching the same family?
ChristineR :)
edit : the same post has Gutlip in England, aged 60 in 1841, born 'foreign parts'
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The 84th Regiment was the 84th Punjabis. Between 1824-1885 it was called the 24th Regiment Madras Native Infantry. Gutlip Shubart was most probably a Punjabi. Do you think he might have returned to his native land (now Pakistan)?
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Hi
Noticed a David SHUBART on
http://www.naa.gov.au/
born in INDIA. Also a SHUBART history.
Photo of him on http://www.pictureaustralia.org/index.html
May be a relly.
cando
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Check out www.online.justice.vic.gov.au
You will find deaths in Victoria for David Stanley Shubart and Thomas Edgar Shubart, both children of David Henry Shubart and Elizabeth Ann Lee.
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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,213924.0.html
dejavu
this ties in with this thread
regards jenn
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I did notice on Family search
http://www.familysearch.org/
birth details for
Mary Ann Shubart
Female
Birth: 02 NOV 1850
Christening: 11 DEC 1850 Trickinopoly, , Tamil Nadu, India
Parents:
Father: Gutlep Shubart
Mother: Ann
regards jenn
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Hi Jan yes its me again still hunting them SHUBARTS. ;D
The Shubarts ( Gutlip) you found on familysearch are the ones I'm trying to tie up with my lot,
David Stanleys (b/1898) father (my g-grandfather) was a David (b/1872 India) and also his g-grandfather was a David (b/1826 Ireland) its this one I'm trying to connect to Gutlip,
Its to much of a coincidence for David and Gutlip not to be related,as they were in the same Regt at the same time in the same place in India,
also Gutlip called his son David and Shubart spelled this way is not a name I'm comming across much,in fact the ones I do find are mine.
Thanks Cando, for the picture of David Stanley I did not come across it in my hunt, nice surprise,
Thanks Diana, but my research into the 84th Regt is York & Lancaster's which is a British Regt. Yes the deaths of David Stanley and Tomas Edga are mine,
Hi Christiner, SORRY thats me, I'm on the India List .That Gutlip is to old and the spelling is Schubert,
I hope all this makes sense, this is a complicated lot,I have trouble getting my head round them to many DAVIDS
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Belle,
Its to much of a coincidence for David and Gutlip not to be related,as they were in the same Regt at the same time in the same place in India
Have you seen them both listed at the same time in the same documentation? Is it at all possible that they are the same person? just thought I would ask.
That Gutlip is to old and the spelling is Schubert
Do you know how old Gutlip is supposed to be? as you say you know nothing about this family apart from your opening information. And I certainly would ignore the spelling - those days these things were just not that exact - it may have been written 'correctly' on the householder schedule but copied wrongly on to the enumeration sheet. All sorts of reasons, it may not have been Gutlip who supplied the information.
ChristineR
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Hi ChirstineR
The reason I think Gutlip on Rootweb is not the one is that he is 60 on the 1841 census in Gloucestershire which would make him 67 in1848 that would make him to old to be in the Army in India in 1848 although he could still be producing children at 68,it does not add up.
No they are not the same person my David b/1823 settled in Devon (after leaving the Army) from 1871 till his death in 1897. hope this makes sense.Belle.
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hello there
don't quite know how to spell it most likely back then some fold would have had the same problem ;D but could it be Gottleib not Gutlip ?
regards Jenn
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Hello Jenn,
The spelling of Shubart is all ways spelled this way on B/M/D cert's, that I have on this family, there are many variants SCHUBERT, SHUBERT, SHOOBERT,I have come across these on the census,But the family members tie up, also dates place's,so I know its them.If a name is spelled the same way on official documents I would say thats the way to spell it.
But with Gutlip there are no census in Uk for them, hence me looking futher afield,
By the way on a marriage cert 1849 India for David Shubart b/1823,his father is Gottleib.
Don't know if this is any clearer. Belle ???
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The reason I think Gutlip on Rootweb is not the one is that he is 60 on the 1841 census in Gloucestershire which would make him 67 in1848 that would make him to old to be in the Army in India in 1848
I didn't realise that yours was still in the army in 1848 in India. The 1841 one in Gloucestershire is a gardener (I checked the image) he has living with him a 18 year old Frederic and a 30 year old (I think a Marion - going from memory) who were both born Gloucestershire.
By the way on a marriage cert 1849 India for David Shubart b/1823,his father is Gottleib.
What was the occupation given for him?
Christine :)
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and a 30 year old (I think a Marion - going from memory)
She's actually down as Mariam, which I thought was interesting (since it's a Persian name - might also have been used by Parsees in India).
Anna
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Hi Christine,
May be I should Have explained better in my first posting,
While researching David Shubart b/1826 Ireland,On findmypast (over seas) There was a marriage and birth cert for,
MARRAGE
Sergeant David Shubart, HM 84th Regt age 26 to Janet Copeland age 15 3/4 at Secunderbad,India,on the 13 Feb 1849,
Janet's father John Copeland,
David's Father Gottliel Shubart,
BIRTH
There daughter was born Mary Sophia 22 March 1850
at Trichinopoly,India
Father: David Shubart Private 84th regt
Mother: Janet Copeland
These are my Shubart's
If you compare this information with my first posting you may be able to see why I think there is a connection between the two family's (or not). Belle :)
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Belle
I have just come across your messages re the Shubarts/Shooberts.
I believe I have some DNA proof linking David Shubart and Gottlieb Shoobert, though I am not sure how to contact you off list.
My husband is descended from Gottlieb and his father has done an ancestry dna test recently. He matches a descendant of David Shubart. This person also matches a number of other Shoobert descendants.
Kind regards
Fiona
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Hello Fiona,
This is great news, i have been trying to find more information on Gottlieb (father) and Gotlip ( brother) of David Shubart (my 4 x Grandfather). I did eventually come across army records for both brothers which gave me the connection i was looking for, it seems that David (the younger brother) followed his brother Gotlip into the army from Ireland.
I also did my DNA recently on Ancestry. but didn't come up with much unfortunately.
If you want to PM me you just click on my name above the picture and you can do it from there.
Look forward to hearing from you Bell2
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Gottlieb Shubart and a British Soldier. Sounds like he may have been a Hanoverian. The origin surname is German?
He might have been born in Lower Saxony and had opportunities in the British Army because the Royal House of Hannover ruled England?
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Hi Belle
When I click on your name it only takes me to your profile summary and nowhere to send a message. Could you please send me a message
Thanks
Fiona
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Hi,
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JM
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Hi Fiona,
I have emailed you from your PM, hope you got it if not let me know and i will try again.
Bell2