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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Kirkcudbrightshire => Topic started by: eliza13 on Thursday 24 May 07 14:20 BST (UK)
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Hello, Can any one help. I am doing my family history, my ancestor's came from Haugh of Urr, Dumfrieshire, from 1745 to about 1810 the Lowden family owned Miekle Culmain Farm & Burnside Farm, my 3 times great grandfather William Lowden was a student of Divinity circa 1750, William married Janet mc Roberts circa 1804 . son John Lowden born circa 1818, came down to Manchester area do not know when . John married at Manchester Cathedral 1845, he was a Police man then, Any help will be most greatful for. Thank you
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Hello Eliza and Welcome to Rootschat :)
Could you perhaps tell us if you've checked the IGI on www.familysearch.org or the Scotland's People site www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk or have looked through any other records sources.
The two that I've mentoned are the main online sources of Baptismal and marriage information for Scotland.
This would help any duplication of effort when we are trying to help :)
Thanks and regards
Gadget
PS - I think you'll find that Haugh of Urr is in the Parish of Urr in Kirkcudbrighshire:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haugh_of_Urr
http://www.scotlandsfamily.com/parish-map-wigtown.htm
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Is this them on the 1851 Census for Hulme, Manchester:
HO107/2221 Folio 133 Page 49
13 Fletcher's Square
John, 34, Tea Dealer, b. Dumfries, Scotland
Martha, 26, b. Sale, Cheshire
Agnes, 4, b. Bolton
William Henry, 3, b. Manchester
Elizabeth, 1, b. Manchester
Gadget
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I haven't found anyone whio looks like him in Scotland on the 1841 census. There's a possible in Bury, Lancs but he's a draper, living with a few others b. Scotland. I'll put it up here but am not convinced it is him:
Garden St, Bury HO107 Piece 538 Book 13 Folio 25 Page 1
I think it's a multi- occupied house. The first listed is a William Johnson, silk dyer, b. Foreign Parts but it looks as if this might be a separate household:
John Johnson, 35-39, Draper, b. Scotland
Robert Johnson, 25-29, draper, b. Scotland
John Lowden, 25-29, draper, b. Scotland
Elizabeth Murry (?), 35 -39, Female servant, b. Scotland
Margaret Hume, 40-44, Independent, b. Scotland
Gadget
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There is a John Lowden 25 -29, independent means, at Meikle Clock, Colvend, Kirkcudbrightshire on the 1841 census Parish 861 ED 4
and also one aged 20-24, no occupation in St Andrews Street, Kelton (probably the Castle Douglas part of Kelton) Parish - 869 ED 1A
However, I'm not convince by either entry. I'll await your response.
Gadget
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From my copy of the Monumental Inscriptions - Parish of Urr, Kirkcudbrightshire
William Lowden, late of Meikle Culmain, d.17 Nov 1830, aged 75. Daughter Agnes, d.6 Dec 1807 Meikle Culmain, 2 yrs, son David, d. Meikle Culmain, 21 March 1812, 1 yr. son James, d Haugh of Urr 16 March 1836, aged 27, wife Janet McRoberts d Haugh of Urr 4 December 1852 aged 65, granddaughter Mary Heron d. 11 Feb 1856, aged 13, s David, d. Ayr 31 July 1870 aged 50. William M H Lowden at Haugh of Urr, 24 Feb 1878, aged 71,daughter Agnes d. Haugh of Urr 18 March 1892, aged 76
There are quite a few more entries that seem to be the same family, including reference to the will of a James Lowden of Culmain 1793* and that William and James Lowden owned equal shares of Meikle Culmain in 1799.
* this Testament Testamentar (TT)can be purchased, viewed and downloaded from the Scotlands People site - url previously give. Info on what a TT is is given here:
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/faqs/questions/index.aspx?106
Gadget
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I am a descendant of William Lowden and Janet McRobert (s)
I descend from their son David Lowden (later referred to as Loudon) who was born in Urr. 8th Sep 1825
He married Jane Hunter
Their Daughter Jane married married James Green.
David (son of William Lowden and Jane McRobert) died 30 July 1876 in Ayr
would love to get int touch and swap info
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Welcome to rootschat boo77.
Looks like Eliza hasn't been online for over a year. You can send her a personal message if you wish-:
click on her name, then at the bottom of the page you can select "send this rootschatter a personal message", and away you go.
(You might also want to let her know that Gadget has found some very useful information about her family) ;)
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thanks for that Ruskie. what information have you found Gadget? Does it refer to the Lowden's?
Thanks for the warm welcome
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boo,
I'm referring to the Monumental Inscriptions and TT Gadget talks about in her previous post .... ;D
Hope you manage to contact Eliza.
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Ah yes how silly of me ;D I sent eliza a short message. Are you connected to this Lowden family at all?
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No I'm not related - just being nosey and reading through some of the posts on rootschat. ;)
Good luck with your search.
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I tried to follow the above instructions to send Eliza a personal message, but this seems to have changed since then and that option wasn't available.
My husband and children are descended from a Robert Lowden, son of James and Sarah nee Bostock, born in Spotland, Nearerside, County of Lancaster, 1843, and who emigrated with his parents and sister, Emma, on the "Donald Mackay" to Melbourne, Australia in 1863. His two older brothers John and William had previously emigrated, in 1850 and 1857.
I have no information to suggest that this family originated in Scotland, other than my husband's father always asserting that he was a Scotsman, despite being second generation Australian.
Can anyone help me track this family back any further than James and Sarah. If Eliza and Boo07 are still checking, is there any chance our families are connected?
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Hi Lyn
Welcome to Rootschat :)
Do you have a record of a marriage for James and Sarah?
I've done a quick search and can't find one in Scotland or Lancashire so far :-\
Gadget
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Thanks Ruskie for your help.
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Hi Gadget.
James Lowden and Sarah Bostock were married 15April 1828 at Saddleworth, York, which was Sarah's place of residence. We have no info on James' origins.
Thanks for your interest, Lyn
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Hi :)
Just to update you all:
Eliza and I still can't find a marriage for William Lowden and Janet McRobert (variations). From the MI which I've quoted above, Janet seems considerably younger than Willam and I was wondering if there was an earlier marriage and this was a second one. I've not found anything so far :(
Ive found a baptism for a Jannet McRobert in Wigtownshire in 1783 but nothing to suggest that this is the same person but it could be.
I've also found a will of William Lowden of Culmain/Haugh of Urr in 1833 which is probably Williams's.
Eliza is having problems accessing this from SP so if any of those who are descendants of this couple might like to download it .........................
Gadget
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I'm beginning to think that I am related to everyone from the Stewartry :o My Janet Paton McMurray (1874 -1899) married James Murray McRobert (Abt 1871 -?) in 1893 in Creetown, Kirkmabreck parish. His father was Andrew McRobert (b. abt 1840-?) and mother was Jane Murray (abt. 1840). Andrew's father was Alexander McRobert (1789-1873) and mother Mary Rain (1803-1883). I haven't included all the children as this would take up too much space, but some of them were born in Urr.
To add to the intrigue, Janet Paton McMurray's aunt, Isabella McMurray (1828-1892) married John Tweedie (1825 -1892). The latter's daughter, Janet Hannah Tweedie (1859 - abt. 1943) married John Cumming (s) (1840-1905). John Cumming's first wife is believed to be Jane Lowden/Louden/Lauden. Family lore has it this Jane was somehow related to the Tweedies and/or McMurrays.
Sorry if this is confusing, but there may be a link somewhere ??? If there are any specific names I can check in my tree, I'd be happy to do that.
Scatza
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Hi all, (i am boo77 in previous posts)
Been a long time. Gadget I have Williams will. Its not a will actually but an inventory and mentions children
William Herries Lowden, James Lowden, John Lowden, Agnes Lowden and David Lowden.