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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: greenvalley on Monday 28 May 07 09:42 BST (UK)
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On my search for the Anderson family of Oakbank, Bishopmill I came across the following puzzle.
I visited Elgin and found the house where the Andersons used to live Oakbank, which nowadays looks like a tiny castle. Inside was a window with the Sutherland crest, which I thought was surprising. The house owners told me that the window had been put in by Eric Sutherland ANDERSON when he rebuilt the old house about 1906.
I then wondered if there was a connection to the Sutherland family and started to look them up.
Eric Sutherland ANDERSON (born 1847) is the oldest son of Eric ANDERSON and Agnes WILSON
Eric ANDERSON is born December 1818 as the son of Lewis ANDERSON and Jean SUTHERLAND.
Jean SUTHERLAND in turn was the daughter of Errick SUTHERLAND and Jean LAWSON, who married in 1790 in Elgin.
Errick SUTHERLAND lived at Rosevalley and Keam Duffus and was the grandson of WILLIAM SUTHERLAND IN ROSEVALLEY & HELEN DUFF
This William SUTHERLAND in turn was the son of My Lord Sutherland and Helen Duff was the daughter of the Laird of Dipple. I found this information in Moray on their official website.
Problem is that I can't find a father for Errick or a son (or any other child) for William and Helen. The only thing I did find was the information that "William of Roscommon married (contract of 1702) Helen daughter of William Duff of Dipple. As a Jacobite he left Scotland after the rebellion of 1716."
Helen DUFF seems to have died in 1709, so any offspring was born between 1702 and 1709, so why can't I find any? To become a grand parent you first need to be a parent, or am I missing something ???
Any help would be much appreciated.
Greenvalley
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correction
Helen DUFF seems to have died in 1709, so any offspring was born between 1702 and 1709, so why can't I find any?
She died in 1746, but there are still no kiddies anywhere.
Greenvalley
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I don't know in which parish any children might have been baptised - probably Elgin. But there is a gap in the Elgin baptism register 1679-1705. And there is no guarantee that all baptisms were faithfully recorded even then. There are only four years of marriages (1705-09) before a long gap to 1770.
Not all old registers are in good condition and it may have been impossible to transcribe and index things properly. Have you looked for any possible wills?
Since the Moray website has the information, it would be interesting to ask them their source!
Nell
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Thanks Nell
I guess that what baffles me is that all these websites that show all the grand Sutherlands and laird of Dipple do not mention any offspring whatsoever.
If William had to make a run for it after 1716 there's no way of telling where they were. What is certain is that his "grandson" seems well connected.
Some of his children went to India and one son Erick was a military secretaryand colonel and his brother John was also a Colonel in India and a governer general. So they seem to be still well connected.
It's just that I can't find any evidence of the family link.
Greenvalley
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There is a testament dative and inventory of William Sutherland of Rossecomon (query Roscommon, Ireland) on the SoctlandsPeople site - 5 pages long. He is recorded as sometime merchant of Edinburgh, lately a residenter of the Abbey of Holyrood House. It was proved 17 June 1747. It would cost £5 to download a copy. But it may give some family details.
From everything I can find, the missing link may be either a James or Kenneth. But there does seem to be confusion about the number of Erics about - they could be cousins or nephews and I wonder if something might have been linked incorrectly.
Real puzzle!
Nell
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Hi Nell,
where did you see James or Kenneth? I haven't come accross anyone.
The Moray heritage people told me that the information about Erick being the grandson of William Sutherland of Roscommon came from some title deeds. But because they had a fire, they won't be able to locate anything until the end of the summer.
Now that i was looking up the Andersons, I came accross another anomaly. Most "Anderson" of Kinnedar website mention Eric Anderson (1818 - 1866) and trace his line via Lewis ANDERSON (1773) to James ANDERSON and Margaret BAIRD and James ANDERSON to James and Isobel ANDERSON.
But the heritage centre has an inscription of a head stone, erected by Lewis in 1829, which states
Leonard ANDERSON, farmer in Kinnedar and Marjorie SUTHERLAND his wife. Stone erected by their grandson Lewis ANDERSON (in 1829), fourth son of James ANDERSON, some time farmer in Kinnedar.
Also Lewis ANDERSON, 45 years a merchant in Elgin, died 4.12.1849 aged 67 years.
Also Jean SUTHERLAND ANDERSON died Oakbank, Elgin 7.6.1881, aged 88 years.
So it seems that these people were wrong and you won't be surprised if I tell you that, of course, I can't find the people mentioned on the stone. Well, I've got Lewis, but no birth details for him. :-[
Lesson learned is:don't believe anything you see in a family tree.
Greenvalley
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I went searching for Sutherlands, Lord Duffus came up in connection with them, and both a James and a Kenneth appeared around the time I think you are interested in - unfortunately I can't remember the exact route now.
Hmm, puzzling. Don't discard the information - there could well be some truth in it all. I know there are some papers in a record office written by an apparent great grandchild (maybe 2 x great) of a certain person on my family tree - gives the descent and a few dates. Except it's not true - said person had two daughters only, both of whom died in infancy. Someone perhaps had been brought up hearing the wrong stories!
Nell
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Hi Nell,
I thought about that too, but we know when Lewis died, he left a will, and since the date for his wife is correct I assume that his is too.
Which means that this Lewis Anderson was 67 when he died in 1849, which in turn means that he was born about 1782, not in 1773 as the Lewis Anderson mentioned in those family trees. It's quite a difference in age.
You wouldn't think his widow could get it so wrong, would you. And that he and his wife are confused as to names and dates of birth? And that they still would have the info chissled onto a head stone ??? ???
I think people got it wrong because they assumed that all the dates would be on the parish records, but these Andersons may have belonged to another church.
Ah well, it's the storey of this family tree. Any time I think I found something, there are more problems to solve and none solved.
Thanks anyway
Greenvalley
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Hello there distant cousin...
With ref to the topic, have you found the info you required?
You may be interested to note...Jean Sutherland (Anderson), Brother of John and Eric sutherland was not the grand daughter of William sutherland...
Should you require further info let me know...
I am from Eric sutherland's line...
Gwen.
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Hello Gwen,
How nice to hear from you. It's a distant link indeed. My husband's great grandfather's sister was married to Jean Sutherland's son ;D. I loved to put it that way.....
The information I have is that Jean Sutherland had 3 brothers,
Alexander b 1791 Lived at Shempston worked as estate factor for Sir William Gordon Cumming of Altyre.
Erick b 1798 was Military Secretary & Colonel, Hydrabad, India
John b 1793 was Colonel & Governor General, India
I am intrigued to hear what the real connection to William Sutherland is, if there is any.
Greenvalley
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Hello,
yes, I am descended from Lt. col. (governor in India), John, who was the son of Errick Sutherland and Jean Lawson. There was also another brother Robert and sisters Eliza, Mary and Amelia from that generation, As far as i can tell... there is no connection to William Sutherland....
As I am still trying to figure out how to use this site, I don't want to make any mistakes, I would rather contact you offline, if I can figure out how...
G
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Sticking my nose in to help Gwen - post one more message (your 3rd) and you will be enabled to send Personal Messages in which you can exchange email addresses.
To send a PM, click on the green scroll icon on a post by greenvalley and select "Send this member a personal message". All very straightforward.
Nick
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I, too, would like to solve this frustrating mystery. As far as I can see the "grandfather" link between Errick and William of Roscommon is a pure red herring. I have approached the Libindx people in Morayshire several times, but the unavailability of the records seems to be an ongoing problem. In addition, several Sutherland family documents and trees state that William of Roscommon died without issue (dsp or decessit sine prole). Obviously many families have had a good reason to link Errick with the preceding generations; or was it wishful thinking? My interest in this is through my daughter-in-law and the Sutherlands in India.
One other thing - Gwend mentioned siblings Robert, Eliza , Mary and Amelia, but I can't find anything about them.
Best regards, Frank, Melbourne
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Hi Frank,
I have to admit that I haven't come accross any other children than the ones I mentioned, but that is because their baptisms were all on the same page on Scotlandspeople.
My knowledge of the Sutherlands in India is very sketchy. I know that John Sutherland left a will, and that his sister Jean Anderson was mentioned in it. But it seems that he had no money :(
I also have a document Gwen sent me, in which William Sutherland from Calcutta claims the title of Earl, but I cannot find a connection between Eric Sutherland, portioner of Rosevalley and Keam, Duffus to the Sutherlands of Dunrobin.
The girls Gwen mentioned were the daughters of John Sutherland, not his sisters.
Just let me know if you want some more info.
Greenvalley
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Hello Frank and greenvalley.
I seem to be the confusing everyone here... sorry, please allow me to clarify what I know.
Lt. Col. John Sutherland was the brother of Jean Sutherland-Anderson. His children by his wife Ushrut Hussaini, were John, Eric, Robert, Alexander, Eliza, Mary and Amelia. Half of the children (Alexander and the girls) went back to India while Eric and John remained in South Africa.
Having looked a bit deeper into the mystery of William, I am just as confused?
I will keep watching to see if any of you solve this mystery.
Gwen
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Could Errick Sutherland's father be a well looked after, but illegitimate, only son?
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Just an update from Morayshire - the possibility of a link between Errick and his grandparents is said to have originated from a document referred to as, "an instrument of resignation ad remanentium" and which is recorded in the particular register of sasines for Elgin and Nairn, and dated 19 August 1813. In turn, a sasine is an act of taking possession of feudal property. All this is related to some legal decision made in favour of Errick, who was the procurator for George Kay over a third part of the lands of Roseisle in Duffus. I am in process of trying to obtain a copy of this document, but who knows whether or not the family information we are seeking will be revealed within. Keep your fingers crossed. Regards, Frank
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Does anyone have records of the descendants of Eric and/or John Sutherland, sons of Lt Colonel John Sutherland and his wife Ushrut who remained in South Africa after their father's death?
My grandmother was Karolina Rika Charlotte Sutherland, born in "Hout Bay" South Africa in 1886 - she married Ernest Albert Mulvey born in Hartlepool Durham in 1879 but listed as living in Glanford Brigg in the 1911 census. They returned to S. Africa in 1919 where they both died in the 1950's-60's.
I believe that she was descended from one of Col. Sutherland's sons but have yet to find the actual lineage.
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Hi Charlotte,
I don't know this side of the Sutjer;and family very well, but perhaps you can find some more information if you follow this link:
http://www.myheritage.com/FP/newsItem.php?s=51857541&newsID=2
or this one
http://www.myheritage.com/site-51857541/sutherl-family
They seem to link the Sutherlands to Mulvey.
Good luck and happy hunting.
Greenvalley
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Hi don't know if this will help and it's a long time since the question was posted but...
William Sutherland of Roscommon and his wife Lady Helen Duff were alive and well in 1728, where they witnessed the baptisim of William Sutherland (14/11/1728), son to Laurence Sutherland of Greenhall, merchant in Elgin. [O.P.R. Births 135/00 0020 0445 Elgin]
Errik/Eric name comes through Kenneth Sutherland 3rd Lord Duffus' son, which he had after having to leave British shores disgraced after 1717, while in service with the Russian navy as an admiral. Errik returned to Scotland later in 1734. The house of lords refused a request by him to regain his fathers title.
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thanks Peter.
It still doesn't quite explain the link between these Sutherlands or indeed the link between them and "my" Erick Sutherland who was married to Jean Lawson in 1790.
Many websites have wonderful "relatives" for them, but without clear and proven ancestry I can't use them. But this may give me a further clue, so thanks a lot.
Greenvalley
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I have been reading your old posts. My information is the Eric Sutherland was the son of William Sutherland and the grandson of James Sutherland (2nd Earl of Duffus).
Steve
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Attached are pictures that our family records say are Eric Sutherland and Jane Lawson
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My great-great grandmother was Emma Hughes (nee Sutherland) who was originally from Cala, Transkei in South Africa. Emma was the daughter of Alexander & Catherine Sutherland. Alexanders' grandfather was Lt. Col. John Sutherland.
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Hi JoHughes
Welcome to Rootschat and nice to hear from you. I haven't really pursued the family tree of the Sutherlands in India and South Africa, as they are distant relations of my main Wilson tree. Col John Sutherland was the uncle of Eric Anderson, husband of Agnes Wilson who was the sister of my great grandfather.
However, I did try and are still trying to find a link between these Sutherlands and the ones of Dunrobin Castle, but haven't found any objective source so far. I know that family stories mention the link, but there are no birth/marriage/death certificates or any other official documents to back up those claims. The members of the Anderson family believed there to be a link, Eric Anderson junior even adorned a huge window in his home at Oakbank with the Sutherland crest, but as I mentioned before: I have found no evidence for a family tie.
Some of the other people in this thread are related to you though so I hope they will reply as well and help you to piece your tree together.
If you need any help or further info let me know.
Greenvalley
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Hi JoHughes,
I have just recently learned of the connection to the Knysna Sutherlands, and have gathered a bit of information re the RSA Sutherlands, but certainly by no means comprehensive. On MyHeritage there is an Ian Sutherland who has extensive info particularly in the South African connection.
My personal connection is through my paternal grandmother who's birth name was Sutherland. Only ever know her father as John Sutherland - whom I now believe to be the youngest son of Eric Sutherland and Caroline Rice (wishing to find more information on Caroline but she seems to be a brick wall). Eric was the son of Lt Col. John Sutherland, one of two sons who remained in SA. The other was another John.
In Ian Suthland's myHeritage tree, Your Alexander Sutherland is listed as Eric and Caroline's second oldest son, born in 1854
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I have a lot of Sutherland family information from a Sutherland family site that might help you, but I am more interested in the connection between Lt. Col. John Alexander Sutherland and his brother-in-law Charles Theophilus Metcalfe. Metcalfe married in 1809; how did Sutherland come to marry Ushrut, the younger sister of Metcalfe's wife? Can you message me?
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Can you message me?
Welcome to RootsChat, Wilfred.
There is a personal messaging system on RootsChat, which you can use once you have made at least 3 posts to the forum.
You might consider telling us the names of Charles Theophilus Metcalfe's wife and her sister, and where the marriages took place.
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Metcalfe carried out his mission to the Court of Ranjit Singh from Sept. 10, 1808 to May 2, 1809 which resulted in the signing of the Treaty of Amritsar on April 25, 1809. That was when he met his wife Merriam (Mirriam, Maryam) and they must have married in the Punjab. Their first son was born 12 Nov. 1810 in Delhi, but Studholme was not baptised until 18 Dec 1813 at Fort William, Calcutta.
Merriam's sister Ushrut came to the court of Ranjit Singh around 1817, with her father on a trade mission. The date of her wedding to John Sutherland is not documented well; I am inclined to date it in 1821, but perhaps it was earlier. Their first child was born in 1823 (or perhaps 1822).
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I forgot to mention the place of the wedding between Ushrut and John Sutherland: several sources place it in the principal Mosque at Bharatpur. I am currently assuming that Ushrut and her sister were Ismaili Muslims.
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There you are - you have now made three posts, and you can use the Personal Message system.
I have seen somewhere online a suggestion that John Sutherland, son of John Alexander Sutherland, was born in Elgin in 1821, but I have not found any reliable information to corroborate that, so I would treat it with extreme caution.
John Alexander Sutherland was baptised in the Episcopal Church, according to LIBINDX, which references his baptism as MF A EL5 - this is the Elgin Episcopal register.
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Forfarian, if we are talking about John Alexander Sutherland (1 Jan 1793 to 24 Jun 1848), I am not aware of him having made a trip back to Scotland around 1821, which seems unlikely. My family tree for him shows his first of seven children as John Sutherland (Abt. 1823 to 17 Jun 1902), born in Hyderabad where his father was, according to the Bombay 1821 East India Register and Directory, serving with the Nizam's Horse as a Lieutenant in the Third Regiment Light Cavalry.
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It does indeed. It is a warning about believing anything you find in online family trees! Hyderabad sounds much more likely than Elgin.
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Hi Guys
Sorry for the late reply.
If you look at the census of 1841 for Duffus you can see that John Sutherland jr was indeed staying with the family there, his uncle Alexander, who also worked for Sir William Gordon Cumming of Altyre.
Address: Shempston
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SUTHERLAND Alexander M 45 Farmer Morayshire
SUTHERLAND Ann F 45 Morayshire
SUTHERLAND Eric M 16 Morayshire
SUTHERLAND John M 9 Morayshire
SUTHERLAND John M 19 Overseas - British India
Greenvalley
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Hello,
While investigating an oft-repeated claim of my ancestor Alexander Sutherland's origins, I came across some records from https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ that might be of interest. I've abstracted a few of them there.
13/07/1676 - Duffus (this record is partly worn)
Groom: THOMAS SUTHERLAND
Bride: ELSPETH SUTHERLAND
I have seen it claimed in some trees that Thomas Sutherland of Keam, son of William Sutherland (by Agnes Allan), younger son of William, 10th of Duffus, married his cousin Elizabeth Sutherland, daughter of the 1st Lord Duffus.
06/08/1686 - Duffus
Child: THOMAS SUTHERLAND
Father: THOMAS SUTHERLAND in Keame
Mother: ELSPETH SUTHERLAND in Keame
Witnesss: JOHN SUTHERLAND, [I can't quite make out the other name]
I have seen it claimed in some trees that this younger Thomas Sutherland of Keame married Margaret Rhind with children William, Alexander and Robert, but I've found no record to confirm this as of yet.
29/12/1723 - Edinburgh
Groom: WILLIAM SUTHERLAND, son of THOMAS SUTHERLAND of Keam, dec'd in the parish of Duffus; now in SE parish
Bride: EUPHAM EASON, daughter of DAVID EASON, merchant in SSE parish
06/03/1725 - Edinburgh
Child: DAVID SUTHERLAND
Father: WILLIAM SUTHERLAND, merchant
Mother: EUPHAN EASON
Witnesses: MR DAVID WALKER, advocat, ALEXANDER PETRIE, writer, DAVID EASON, merchant
Born 4 March 1725.
03/10/1726 - Edinburgh
Child: ALEXANDER SUTHERLAND
Father: WILLIAM SUTHERLAND, merchant
Mother: EUPHAM EASON
Witnesses: ALEXANDER PETRIE, writer, DAVID EASON and JAMES SPITTALL, merchants
Born 30 September 1725.
This Alexander is claimed in many trees to be my ancestor, though without direct proof.
07/05/1728 - Edinburgh
Child: JOHN SUTHERLAND
Father: WILLIAM SUTHERLAND, merchant
Mother: EUPHAM EASON
Witnesses: MR. JOHN HEPBURN, one of the ___ of the city, MR JOHN SUTHERLAND, student in Divinity, DAVID EASON and JAMES SPITLE merchants
Born 4 May 1728.
From this we establish that Thomas Sutherland of Keam, who was probably from a cadet branch of the Duffus line, had a son, William Sutherland, merchant in Edinburgh. This William married Eupham Eason and had David, Alexander (often claimed to be my ancestor, but without substantial evidence to my knowledge), and John.
17/06/1747 - Edinburgh
Testament Dative and Inventory of WILLIAM SUTHERLAND of Rosecommon, sometime merchant in Edinburgh and late residenter in the Abbey of Holyroodhouse at the time of his decease (in March 1747).
Executor dative: ALEXANDER MCKENZIE of Fraserdale, Esq.
Debts owed to GEORGE DUGUID, merchant in Edinburgh.
Had goods in the house of BENJAMIN MILLER, gardener and brewer on the precincts of the Palace of Holyroodhouse, sold at public auction. The balance of the sale was in the hands of GEORGE ROBERTSON, Clerk of the said Palace.
Confirmed by MASTER JAMES LESHE.
Cautioner: ANDREW CHALMER, writer in Edinburgh
Dated 17 Jun 1747.
If William Sutherland of Roscommon, son of Lord Duffus, really did die shortly after 1715 as is widely claimed, then it appears there was a second William Sutherland designated "of Roscommon", who was a younger cousin of the earlier Hon. William Sutherland of Roscommon who married Helen Duff. And since this William Sutherland of Roscommon was described as a merchant in Edinburgh, one might suppose he is the same person as William Sutherland, son of Thomas Sutherland of Keam, who married Euphemia Eason. And as this William Sutherland definitely had at least three children, he could have been the "Roscommon" progenitor of the Sutherlands mentioned in this thread.
That is one possibility. But to make things a little more confusing, there was a William Sutherland, brewer of Edinburgh, who had a servant named Euphan Eason and a son Alexander of Woodend who married Helen Muirhead. This William Sutherland, brewer, died 16 May 1759. I of course have to wonder if William Sutherland the merchant later became William Sutherland the brewer (which would mean he was not the same William Sutherland, merchant of Edinburgh, who died in 1747). Or if they were two distinct but possibly related individuals.
For what it's worth, the amusing family lore is that my ancestor Alexander Sutherland (who, for reasons that will soon become apparent, was clearly not the Alexander Sutherland who married Helen Muirhead) was a university student in Edinburgh. One night, he and a few of his classmates went rough-housing on a docked ship. I would assume there was plenty of alcohol involved, because they didn't come to their senses until long after the ship had set sail with them on board. And that was how Alexander and his friends accidentally emigrated to what is now Hunterdon County, New Jersey.
Alexander married a widow, Elizabeth Williams. His brother John later joined him in the colonies. Both eventually migrated to upstate South Carolina with their families. Alexander's daughter Jane, born around 1752, married Peter Acker, the progenitor of the Acker family of the American South from which I descend in a female line.
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I really loved the storey of the unintended migration of Alexander! He must have loved the new land seeing that he didn't try to get back to Scotland.
Sadly it seems that you have as many confusing Sutherlands as I managed to find. The one I was looking at was called Erick and he was a farmer and portioner in Duffus where he was born, married and died. Some of his descendants claimed the family link to William Sutherland of Roscommon, but I have been unable to find a birth for Erick in 1748.
Good luck with your research.
Greenvalley
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Having looked at the testament dative of Alexander Sutherland of Woodend (d. 03 Aug 1793 near Stirling), son of William Sutherland, brewer, I am now convinced that William Sutherland, brewer, was identical with William Sutherland, merchant who married Euphemia Eason. This William was apparently the son of Thomas Sutherland of Keam and Margaret Rhind.
Alexander Sutherland of Woodend's executors were his next of kin, descendants of his grandfather, another Thomas Sutherland of Keam, by his second wife Marjory Watson.
William Sutherland of Roscommon who died in 1747 was not the same person as William Sutherland, brewer in Edinbugh, who died in 1759.
From this we have:
Thomas Sutherland of Keam, d. 14 May 1727 in Duffus
= (1) 13 Jul 1676 in Duffus, Elizabeth Sutherland (daughter of the 1st Lord Duffus?)
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+-->William Sutherland b. c. 4 Oct 1677 in Duffus
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+-->David Sutherland, glover in Elgin, b. c. 22 Mar 1681 in Duffus
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+-->Alexander Sutherland, b. c. 8 Jul 1682 in Duffus
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+-->Robert Sutherland, b. c. 30 Nov 1684 in Duffus
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+-->Thomas Sutherland of Keam, b. c. 6 Aug 1686 in Duffus, d. by 1723
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= (2) 31 Jul 1690 in Alves, Marjory Watson, d. 9 Jan 1710 in Duffus
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+-->James Sutherland, portioner of Keam, b. c. 11 Oct 1692 in Duffus
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+-->Kenneth Sutherland, b. c. 23 Apr 1700 in Duffus
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+-->Katherine Sutherland, b. c. 1 Jun 1701 in Duffus
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+-->Marjory Sutherland, b. c. 14 Oct 1703 in Duffus
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+-->Elizabeth Sutherland, b. c. 2 Oct 1709
Thomas Sutherland of Keam, b. c. 6 Aug 1686 in Duffus, d. by 1723
= Margaret Rhind, d. 19 Aug 1742
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+-->William Sutherland, merchant and brewer in Edinburgh, d. 16 May 1759 in Edinburgh
William Sutherland, merchant and brewer in Edinburgh, d. 16 May 1759 in Edinburgh
= 29 Dec 1723 in Edinburgh, Euphemia Eason, b. 24 Jul 1702 in Edinburgh
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+-->David Sutherland, b. 4 Mar 1725 in Edinburgh (dvp, sp)
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+-->Alexander Sutherland, Esq., of Woodend, b. 30 Sep 1726 in Edinburgh, d. 3 Aug 1793 near Stirling
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+-->John Sutherland, b. 4 May 1728 in Edinburgh
Alexander Sutherland, Esq., of Woodend, b. 30 Sep 1726 in Edinburgh, d. 3 Aug 1793 near Stirling
= 8 Dec 1751 in Edinburgh, Helen Muirhead
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+-->Euphemia Sutherland, b. 1 Ap 1756 in Edinburgh, d. young
James Sutherland, portioner of Keam, b. c. 11 Oct 1692 in Duffus
= ?
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+-->Margaret Sutherland (m. Thomas Rhind 19 Apr 1743)
Katherine Sutherland, b. c. 1 Jun 1701 in Duffus
= _____ Anderson
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+-->Marjory Anderson
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+-->Isobel Anderson
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+-->James Anderson
Marjory Sutherland, b. 14 Oct 1703 in Duffus
= (1?) _____ Steven
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+-->Alexander Steven, brewer in the Water of Leith
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= (2?) _____ Hay
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+-->Alexander Hay, farmer at Burnside of Duffus
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= (3?) _____ Grant
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+-->John Grant, hairdresser in Elgin
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Hi,
Thanks for all this information. It doesn't help in finding the ancestors of Erick Sutherland (father of Jean Sutherland who married Lewis Anderson) but it opened my eyes to the fact that the elusive link to the famous (and infamous) Sutherland family may have come through the Anderson line.
I do have the marriage of Leonard Anderson to Katherine or Marjory Sutherland, but it never occurred to me that this is where the link was. Just goes to show how you can be blind to clues in information you already have.
So I'll go hunting and see if this time I can connect the dots.
Greenvalley
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Hi everyone!
I just started tracing my family history and came across this post. My great grand mother's grandfather was the grandson of Col John Sutherland.
I have some Sutherland family history documents that might be of interest to you and answer a lot of questions on this forum.
Do let me know if anyone is interested. My mother obtained these documents from her grandmother in 1975.
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Good day everyone,
I'm a descendant of Lt. Col. Sutherland from South Africa and have something that might be relevant here.
My great-grandfather's mother was Emma Sutherland. She was married to David Hughes from Wales. My grandfather was an accordion player and he always told me about his grandparents David and Emma who owned a hotel in Port Alfred.
Emma was the daughter of Alexander Sutherland, granddaughter of Eric Sutherland and great-granddaughter of Lt. Col Sutherland and Ushrut Begum (Bibi), Dunbar Sutherland (Hussaini).
From what I gather, Ltd. Col Sutherland's grandparents were Erick Sutherland and Ann Cumming from Alves. His parents being Eric Sutherland and Jean Lawson from Elgin.
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Good day ciandlp
has anyone been able to solve the mystery around Ushrut's parents and family?
Can you please send me the documents that you refer to?
Kind regards
Dewald