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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Meath => Topic started by: sueclog on Monday 28 May 07 20:20 BST (UK)
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Can anyone help with info about John Sheridan, born about 1865 at St Mary's Drogheda? All the info we have about him is from the will in his army paybook. He was a colour sergeant in the Royal Irish Rifles. It also gives as siblings: Matthew, Francis (male or female unknown) and Catherine. His parents were John and Ann.
Does anyone know if there are any records for this time for St Mary's?
Can anyone tell us about St Mary's? Is it a church, a village or an area? And why is it in Meath when the rest of Drogheda seems to be in Louth? ???
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Hiya sueclog,
You've got me baffled here. Where did you find St Mary's in Meath ??? I've found a church in the town and a picture of the remains of St Mary's Priory, Drogheda (http://cloghmore.bravepages.com/louth/droghedastmary.html) which seems to be in the town too. The only St Mary's in Meath (http://www.chooseireland.com/meath/st-marys-abbey.html) seems to be the ruins of an Abbey. I'm certain John Sheridan was born at St Mary's Hospital, Drogheda, Co. Louth.
Christopher
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Hi Christopher!
We have his army paybook from the Royal Irish Rifles which states his place of birth as St Mary's, Drogheda, County Meath. This is at present the only evidence we have about his life before he settled in England.
Sueclog
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It's all very confusing, sueclog.
The Glenside Hotel which is located on the Dublin Road, Drogheda advertise their business as being in Co. Meath but the Drogheda Borough Council, (http://www.louthcoco.ie/Index.aspx?deptid=15&dpageid=2_LA) Fair Street, Drogheda is happy showing the Council address as being in Co. Louth. The town may be on the border between the two counties. www.aaireland.ie say that Drogheda is in Co. Louth. You can check that by going to the Information Desk on their site and use Routeplanning. The distance I requested was that between Drogheda and Mosney.
Christopher
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The Glenside Hotel is actually in county Meath... but is minutes away from border of county Louth... in parts, houses on one side of the road are County Meath and on the other side County Louth!..These days Drogheda is definately in County Louth....
John Sheridan could have been born near St Marys Church http://ireland.archiseek.com/buildings_ireland/louth/drogheda/st_marys_rc.html...which today is in County Louth.. but I have seen it been said to be in County Meath before.. seems to have been a bit of a grey area years ago... Contact details for St Marys Church (will be able to advise where you can access records etc):
St. Mary's Presbytery
Dublin Road.
Tel: +353 41 9834958
Fax +353 41 9845144
St. Mary's Parish Centre/Office
24 James St.
Tel: +353 41 9834587
Tel: +353 41 9838347
I don't know the history of St Marys Hospital, nowadays its a hospital for the elderly. You may wish to contact them - maybe John Sheridan was born here..:
St Mary's Hospital
Dublin Road
Drogheda
Co Louth
Telephone: +353 41 9838680
Fax: +353 41 9844970
Another idea would be that he was born near a historical bridge named St Marys http://louth.goireland.com/scripts/low/xq/asp/areaid.186/areatype.C/cat.9/SubjectID.155/PremisesID.11896/qx/premises.htm .. these three places are all within walking distancy ... so perhaps the whole area at the time was known as St Marys....
Have no idea if this helps at all..Kind regards, Karen
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Best place to search first is www.Familysearch.org.
IGI lists John Sherridan born 15 Dec.1866 Drogheda St. Mary's, Meath, Ireland
son of John Sherridan & Anne (Winters)
Also, daughter Bridget born 28 Feb.1865.
Both records are under 'born' but note below say extracted birth or christening record so the dates might be birthdates taken from baptismal register.
Although civil registration of births in Ireland began in 1864 it was not compulsory until 1870 and many early births were not recorded. In this case it looks like St. Mary's church records might be the place to search.
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Thank you all of you for all of your efforts. I've been away so haven't replied before.
Bridget isn't a name which has surfaced before. In his will in the army paybook, John cites brothers and sisters as Matthew, Frances and Catherine and gives them all as being resident in St marys, Drogheds, County Meath. His parents however are definitely given as John and Ann, so this seems to be a good lead.
I haven't got paid access to IGI. I've looked at the familysearch website you sent, but am struggling to find my way around. and can't find Bridget at all. Any suggestions?
Thank you Karen for the phone numbers - that will be worth following up as well.
:)
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I haven't got paid access to IGI. I've looked at the familysearch website you sent, but am struggling to find my way around. and can't find Bridget at all.
IGI (International Genealogical Index) is available at www.familysearch.org (free).
If you click on search tab, then fill in only father- John Sheridan, mother- Anne (and no other boxes), then click search button Bridget will come up.
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My 3rd great grandfather was John Sheridan. He married Ann Winters in 1856. From what I can find they had six children: Catherine b1858, Mary b1859, Rose Ann b1861, Francis b1863, Bridget b1865 (my 2nd great grandmother), and John b1866 who is mentioned above and would be my 3rd great uncle.
I am currently stuck at my grandfather John and his wife Annie. I can not find ancestors of either! Any help would be greatly appreciated!!!
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Welcome to RootsChat, a lot more records have come online since sueclog posted back in 2007
Here is John's birth cert which gives the address where they were living at the time.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1866/03509/2290558.pdf
Can you tell us where you found the parents marriage please.
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My cousin helped me with family information. My 2nd great grandmother is Bridget Sheridan, and my cousin was the one who told me her mother and father were John Sheridan and Ann Winters. Further research and help from someone else pointed me here, where someone posted their marriage date.
Thank you for the birth certificate link!!! I'm new to researching and having trouble finding things and ancestors!
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First lesson is to always know where the evidence is and find it so you can check it yourself. That's what I did by finding John's birth, I also looked for his Baptisim which is in St.Mary's parish
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635273#page/173/mode/1up
3rd one from the top on the right hand page.
The next job is to find the rest of the children, working back to the parents marriage.
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Bridget Feb 1865
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1865/03586/2321867.pdf
The address Mary's St. is the same as on John's but this time the father John is down as a labourer on John's he's a Railway Porter.
It's also worth noting the surname is spelt with two r, this may be down to the registrar, as the priest only uses one on the baptisms.
Bridget's baptism on right hand page
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635273#page/165/mode/1up
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Sinann,
So I can use these sites(the links above) to possibly find the rest of the children's birth/baptisms. If they are all in the same parish, could I assume that's the parish they were married in and search for their marriage certificate as well? Thank you so much for your help!!! I appreciate it immensely!
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I had a busy day to day so wasn't here much. The rest of the children won't have birth certs as civil registration only started in 1864, but hopefully all their baptisms will be in St.Mary's Parish and it is just a matter of finding them there.
The marriage also won't have a civil cert, (assuming both parents are RC and the marriage took place in an RC church) the marriage is where you could come unstuck, marriages on that site for St.Mary's don't start until 1870, and they don't seem to be anywhere else
https://www.johngrenham.com/records/rc_church.php?churchid=0960&parish=St.%20Mary%27s,%20Drogheda
but a marriage usually took place in the brides parish so if Ann is from a different parish it may be possible to find it.
Can you ask your cousin if the marriage year is assumed because of the year of the first child or was a record of it found.
Also the first child is born 1858 and the last 1866 which is less than 10 years, women often but by no means always had children over a 20ish year period so unless a marriage record was found there is always the possibility there are more children also the family could have started out some where else, keep in mind we don't know John and Ann's age when they married.
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Francis Aug 2 1863
Right hand page
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635273#page/160/mode/1up
Rose Ann Oct 31 1861
Right hand page
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635273#page/151/mode/1up
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I did find Francis's and Rose Ann's, also Catherine's. I can't seem to find Mary's baptism record...wondering if the date of birth I have (Sept. 13, 1859) is incorrect. I just looked at the 1901 census and her age is 44 (listed with her father and niece...) that would put year of birth at 1857, making her the oldest child. Couldn't find her record for that year, so went back to 1856 and still no record. I wonder if she was baptized in a different parish? I will see if I can figure out what parish Anne was from. I will ask my cousin about the marriage!
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She's there
Mary 1859 Right hand page second child on the 13th Aug
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635273#page/141/mode/1up
and may as well add
Catherine 29 Jan 1858
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635273#page/134/mode/1up
once again on the right hand page.
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Sueclog here - 10 years after we started this thread. My husband's 2x great-grandparents are John Sheridan and Anne Winters. He's the great grandson of their son, John. We have more information now that we can give you. We're at work tomorrow but will post again on Thursday.
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Hi Sueclog!
I'm sure you've read, my great great grandmother is Bridget, John's sister! I've been stuck on their father and mother for months now! Just learning how to research my Irish ancestors with the help of Sinann 😁 The links have been very helpful! I actually just found Matthew Sheridan who was a surprise to me!!! Am now trying to find where Anne Winters was from to see if I have the correct marriage date for her and John. Then hopefully that will lead to their parents!
Thank you so much for replying and I look forward to hearing from you!!!
Dee
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Welcome to RootsChat, a lot more records have come online since sueclog posted back in 2007
Here is John's birth cert which gives the address where they were living at the time.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1866/03509/2290558.pdf
Can you tell us where you found the parents marriage please.
I knew I had it! LOL I found the original message that someone sent me so I could confirm what my cousin said, looked it up on the ILE link you provided and sure enough...
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632493#page/55/mode/1up
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Hi DeeSigelkow,
We have a possible baptism for John (husband of Anne Winters) St Mary's Drogheda 5 Dec 1837, son of Pat Sheridan and Mary Lynch?
Parents of Anne Winters - Peter Winters and Anne Mullen of Monasterboice
We had another thread which began to trace the family backwards before I ran out of time - will need to search and work out how to link!
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DeeSigelkow - have sent you a private message
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Is this the other thread?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=581164.msg4328485#msg4328485
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Thanks, Sinamm,
That's the one!
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Hi DeeSigelkow,
We have a possible baptism for John (husband of Anne Winters) St Mary's Drogheda 5 Dec 1837, son of Pat Sheridan and Mary Lynch?
Parents of Anne Winters - Peter Winters and Anne Mullen of Monasterboice
We had another thread which began to trace the family backwards before I ran out of time - will need to search and work out how to link!
John is where I am stuck! I have absolutely no dates for him, nothing. All I have is his name and that he married Anne! I was looking for him on the ILE site last night...
PS- I PM'd you back!
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I was looking for him on the ILE site last night...
Do you mean the NLI site?
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Concerned about the date of John's birth as 1837. 1901 census - gave his age as 75 and born in county Louth whereas Mary and Annie are specifically born in Meath. Was he a different John Sheridan born in 1826 in Monasterboice?
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I was looking for him on the ILE site last night...
Do you mean the NLI site?
YES!!! lol sorry about that!