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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: sunseeker on Sunday 10 June 07 13:23 BST (UK)
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I have heard that the 1659 Irish census details or part of are available. Do you know if that is correct and where the could be found?
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Hi Sunseeker,
try putting 1659 Irish Census in a search engine.
apart from this (often)
... not a true census, giving only the names of the titualodoes (those with title to land) and the total number of persons (English & Irish) resident in each townland. ...
you can also find various county data,.....
one link I found was
Census of 1659 - Donegal
http://members.aol.com/lochlan2/donegal9.htm
another: Longford
http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllog/longcen.htm Broken Link
and there are others :)
Bob
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Hiya sunseeker,
1659 'Pender's Census':
This was compiled by Sir William Petty who also was responsible for the Civil Survey. There are a number of problems in using the 1659 Census as a source of data. It was based on a poll tax so it is not a full ‘census’ of the population at the time. It only lists the number of adults paying tax ... ie it records the names of persons with title to land (tituladoes), the total numbers of English and Irish living in each townland and the principal Irish names in each barony. Five counties, Cavan, Galway, Mayo, Tyrone and Wicklow, are not covered. The work was edited by Seamus Pender and published in 1939. (See reference NLI I 6551 Dublin).
The University College, Cork ... Documents of Ireland (http://www.ucc.ie:8080/cocoon/doi/atlas?section=N10730) contains an interesting article on the 1659 Census.
Christopher
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According to Tracing Your Irish Ancestors by John Grenham Pender's 1659 Census (Co.Antrim) is in Dublin (National Library). Don't know if PRONI also has a copy but PRONI's website might give some details.
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PRONI has the
1659 Census (http://www.proni.gov.uk/records/17cent.htm) for Counties Antrim, Armagh, Fermanagh and Londonderry.
MIC means that the documents are on Microfilm.
Broken Link
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I am moving this topic to Ireland - General
For the benefit of those who can't visit PRONI or any irish libraries,
please add any online sources here.
Thanks,
Bob
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Co. Clare (http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/pender/pender_index.htm) on the Clare County Library website
Co. Kerry (http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlker/census16a.html)
Co. Westmeath (http://www.from-ireland.net/censussubs/west/westmeath1659.htm) on the 'From Ireland' © Jane Lyons, Dublin, Ireland website.
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According to Tracing Your Irish Ancestors by John Grenham Pender's 1659 Census (Co.Antrim) is in Dublin (National Library). Don't know if PRONI also has a copy but PRONI's website might give some details.
Hope you don't mind me asking, but what is PRONI
thanx
lil growler
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Hiya Lil,
Public Record Office, Northern Ireland. It's located at Balmoral Avenue, Belfast.
It's listed on RootsChat Topics: DICTIONARY of Genealogical Terms and Abbreviations. (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,234766.15.html)
Christopher
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Thanks Christpher
I can't recall whether or not I've seen the dictionary before, it's possible, but I've looking into so many posts I may have just forgotten.
I'll make sure I refer to there first in the future.
Thanx
lil growler
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Hi
Hearth money roll link for County antrim 1669 includes info for 1666, and there are other links on the website
http://www.greencastlemuseum.org/Ulsterscots/005/hearth_rolls.htm
Helena
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Is there a section for County Louth?
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Is there a section for County Louth?
Hello sgrollitt,
There is a section for Co. Louth.
The Irish Ancestors site shows a list of Census Returns & Substitutes for Louth.
www.ireland.com/ancestor/browse/counties/leinster/louth1.htm
Christopher
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to add at least one source
see 1660s Hearth money rolls list as excel or pdf see http://www.billmacafee.com Read all his databases, thank you Bill
headings. I haven’t included 2 columns
County Barony Parish Townland (Modern Spelling) Townland as spelt in Hearth Money Rolls Forename as spelt in Hearth Money Rolls Surname as spelt in Hearth Money Rolls Surname [Standardised]
Hutchinson / Miller / McNeice
Antrim Cary Billy Bushmills Ballytaylor Widow Hutchinson Hutchinson
Antrim Dunluce Upper Ballymoney Greenshields 2 Qrs of Drinchels William Hutchinsone Hutchinson
Antrim Dunluce Upper Ballymoney Stranocum Stranarome Mr Hutchinson Hutchinson
Antrim Dunluce Upper Kilraghts Magheraboy Magherboy Qr Ealls Hutchinsone Hutchinson
Antrim Toome Upper Drummaul Lisnagreggan Lisnegragan James McHutchison Hutchinson
Antrim Toome Upper Ballyscullion Grange Ardnaglass Carnaglass Daniell Hutchinson Hutchinson
Antrim Antrim Upper Antrim Antrim Town Antrm Towne Wm Hutchinson Hutchinson
Antrim Antrim Upper Antrim Antrim Town Antrm Towne Robert Hutchinson Hutchinson
Antrim Antrim Upper Antrim Steeple Steeple Towne Widow Hutchinson Hutchinson
Antrim Belfast Lower Carnmoney Croghfern Crockfarcen Robert Hutchinson Hutchinson
Donegal Raphoe Leck Not specified Not specified John Hutcheson Hutchinson
Donegal Raphoe Leck Not specified Not specified John Hutcheson Hutchinson
L'Derry N. W. Liberties of L'Derry City of Londonderry Outside Walls at the Bishop's Gate Without Bishop's Gate John Hutchison Hutchinson
L'Derry Coleraine Macosquin-Camus Not specified Not specified James Hutchinson Hutchinson
L'Derry Coleraine Macosquin-Camus Not specified Not specified Jo Hutchinson Hutchinson
Tyrone Dungannon Upper Artrea Tullyveagh Tullaway Thomas Hutcheson Hutchinson
No McNeice spelling but using the ear, heres my sampling
Antrim Glenarm Lower Layd Tirkilly Teriskelly Jo McNeyes McNeyes
Antrim Toome Upper Duneane Artlone Artclon John McNish McNish
Antrim Toome Upper Drummaul Procklis Prickless John McNish McNish
Antrim Antrim Upper Donegore Tobergill Tubbergill Widow McNish McNish
there are 100 miller. If you download the right version and then sort alpha by the last columnit becomes a most useful compilation