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Title: 1659 Irish Census
Post by: sunseeker on Sunday 10 June 07 13:23 BST (UK)
I have heard that the  1659 Irish census details or part of are available.  Do you know if that is correct and where the could be found?
Title: Re: 1659 Irish Census
Post by: Berlin-Bob on Sunday 10 June 07 13:49 BST (UK)
Hi Sunseeker,

try putting 1659 Irish Census in a search engine.

apart from this (often)
Quote
... not a true census, giving only the names of the titualodoes (those with title to land) and the total number of persons (English & Irish) resident in each townland. ...
you can also find various county data,.....

one link I found was
Census of 1659 - Donegal
http://members.aol.com/lochlan2/donegal9.htm

another: Longford
http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllog/longcen.htm Broken Link

and there are others  :)

Bob


Title: Re: 1659 Irish Census
Post by: Christopher on Sunday 10 June 07 14:01 BST (UK)
Hiya sunseeker,

1659 'Pender's Census':
This was compiled by Sir William Petty who also was responsible for the Civil Survey. There are a number of problems in using the 1659 Census as a source of data. It was based on a poll tax so it is not a full ‘census’ of the population at the time. It only lists the number of adults paying tax ... ie it records the names of persons with title to land (tituladoes), the total numbers of English and Irish living in each townland and the principal Irish names in each barony. Five counties, Cavan, Galway, Mayo, Tyrone and Wicklow, are not covered. The work was edited by Seamus Pender and published in 1939. (See reference NLI I 6551 Dublin).

The University College, Cork ...  Documents of Ireland  (http://www.ucc.ie:8080/cocoon/doi/atlas?section=N10730) contains an interesting article on the 1659 Census.

Christopher
Title: Re: 1659 Irish Census
Post by: aghadowey on Sunday 10 June 07 14:03 BST (UK)
According to Tracing Your Irish Ancestors by John Grenham Pender's 1659 Census (Co.Antrim) is in Dublin (National Library). Don't know if PRONI also has a copy but PRONI's website might give some details.
Title: Re: 1659 Irish Census
Post by: Christopher on Sunday 10 June 07 14:11 BST (UK)
PRONI has the 1659 Census  (http://www.proni.gov.uk/records/17cent.htm) for Counties Antrim, Armagh, Fermanagh and Londonderry.
MIC means that the documents are on Microfilm.

Broken Link
Title: Re: 1659 Irish Census
Post by: Berlin-Bob on Sunday 10 June 07 14:27 BST (UK)
I am moving this topic to Ireland - General

For the benefit of those who can't visit PRONI or any irish libraries,
please add any  online  sources here.
 
Thanks,
Bob
Title: Re: 1659 Irish Census
Post by: Christopher on Sunday 10 June 07 14:41 BST (UK)
 Co. Clare  (http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/pender/pender_index.htm) on the Clare County Library website
 Co. Kerry  (http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlker/census16a.html)
 Co. Westmeath  (http://www.from-ireland.net/censussubs/west/westmeath1659.htm) on the 'From Ireland' © Jane Lyons, Dublin, Ireland website.
Title: Re: 1659 Irish Census
Post by: lil growler on Sunday 10 June 07 23:06 BST (UK)
According to Tracing Your Irish Ancestors by John Grenham Pender's 1659 Census (Co.Antrim) is in Dublin (National Library). Don't know if PRONI also has a copy but PRONI's website might give some details.

Hope you don't mind me asking, but what is PRONI

thanx

lil growler
Title: Re: 1659 Irish Census
Post by: Christopher on Sunday 10 June 07 23:21 BST (UK)
Hiya Lil,

Public Record Office, Northern Ireland. It's located at Balmoral Avenue, Belfast.

It's listed on  RootsChat Topics: DICTIONARY of Genealogical Terms and Abbreviations.  (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,234766.15.html)

Christopher

Title: Re: 1659 Irish Census
Post by: lil growler on Sunday 10 June 07 23:40 BST (UK)
Thanks Christpher

I can't recall whether or not I've seen the dictionary before, it's possible, but I've looking into so many posts I may have just forgotten.

I'll make sure I refer to there first in the future.

Thanx

lil growler
Title: Re: 1659 Irish Census
Post by: helenar on Sunday 09 December 07 18:39 GMT (UK)
Hi

Hearth money roll link for County antrim 1669 includes info for 1666, and there are other links on the website

http://www.greencastlemuseum.org/Ulsterscots/005/hearth_rolls.htm

Helena

Title: Re: 1659 Irish Census
Post by: sgrollitt on Wednesday 04 June 08 15:49 BST (UK)
Is there a section for County Louth?
Title: Re: 1659 Irish Census
Post by: Christopher on Wednesday 04 June 08 15:59 BST (UK)
Is there a section for County Louth?

Hello sgrollitt,

There is a section for Co. Louth.

The Irish Ancestors site shows a list of Census Returns & Substitutes for Louth.
www.ireland.com/ancestor/browse/counties/leinster/louth1.htm

Christopher
Title: Re: 1659 Irish Census
Post by: BallyaltikilliganG on Thursday 08 June 17 15:56 BST (UK)
to add at least one source
see 1660s Hearth money rolls list as excel or pdf  see http://www.billmacafee.com  Read all his databases, thank you Bill
headings. I haven’t included 2 columns
County   Barony   Parish   Townland (Modern Spelling)   Townland as spelt in Hearth Money Rolls   Forename as spelt in Hearth Money Rolls   Surname as spelt in Hearth Money Rolls   Surname [Standardised]
 
Hutchinson / Miller / McNeice
Antrim   Cary   Billy   Bushmills   Ballytaylor   Widow   Hutchinson   Hutchinson
Antrim   Dunluce Upper   Ballymoney   Greenshields   2 Qrs of Drinchels   William   Hutchinsone   Hutchinson
Antrim   Dunluce Upper   Ballymoney   Stranocum   Stranarome   Mr   Hutchinson   Hutchinson
Antrim   Dunluce Upper   Kilraghts   Magheraboy   Magherboy Qr   Ealls   Hutchinsone   Hutchinson
Antrim   Toome Upper   Drummaul   Lisnagreggan   Lisnegragan   James   McHutchison   Hutchinson
Antrim   Toome Upper   Ballyscullion Grange   Ardnaglass   Carnaglass   Daniell   Hutchinson   Hutchinson
Antrim   Antrim Upper   Antrim   Antrim Town   Antrm Towne   Wm   Hutchinson   Hutchinson
Antrim   Antrim Upper   Antrim   Antrim Town   Antrm Towne   Robert   Hutchinson   Hutchinson
Antrim   Antrim Upper   Antrim   Steeple   Steeple Towne   Widow   Hutchinson   Hutchinson
Antrim   Belfast Lower   Carnmoney   Croghfern   Crockfarcen   Robert   Hutchinson   Hutchinson
Donegal   Raphoe   Leck   Not specified   Not specified   John   Hutcheson   Hutchinson
Donegal   Raphoe   Leck   Not specified   Not specified   John   Hutcheson   Hutchinson
L'Derry   N. W. Liberties of L'Derry   City of Londonderry   Outside Walls at the  Bishop's  Gate   Without Bishop's  Gate   John   Hutchison   Hutchinson
L'Derry   Coleraine   Macosquin-Camus   Not specified   Not specified   James   Hutchinson   Hutchinson
L'Derry   Coleraine   Macosquin-Camus   Not specified   Not specified   Jo   Hutchinson   Hutchinson
Tyrone   Dungannon Upper   Artrea   Tullyveagh   Tullaway   Thomas   Hutcheson   Hutchinson


No McNeice spelling but using the ear, heres my sampling



Antrim   Glenarm Lower   Layd   Tirkilly   Teriskelly   Jo   McNeyes   McNeyes
Antrim   Toome Upper   Duneane   Artlone   Artclon   John   McNish   McNish
Antrim   Toome Upper   Drummaul   Procklis   Prickless   John   McNish   McNish
Antrim   Antrim Upper   Donegore   Tobergill   Tubbergill   Widow   McNish   McNish

there are 100 miller. If you download the right version and then sort alpha by the last columnit becomes a most useful compilation