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Some Special Interests => Travelling People => Topic started by: william james on Saturday 30 June 07 15:38 BST (UK)
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Hi All.
I am trying to find the family of my cousins mother.
My cousin and i had this conversation about her mothers side of the family, at the end of the chat she said to me and i believe they where traveling people.
The lady i am looking for is Grace Gray, born 22 march 1906, and that is all i know.
She had at least 1 brother and 1 sister that i know of Eliza Gray and Bertram Gray.
Any help would be great.
Thank you.
William James
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Do you have any clues as to whereabouts they were born or travelled?
I know many of the Grays travelled Lincs/Notts/Cambridge/Norfolk/Suffolk, and a few went north to Lancs.
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Hi
I am waiting for my cousins parents marriage cert, this will give me more info, but it is taking ages.
Well that is what it feels like.
William James
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Hi
I now have the marriage cert of Grace Gray. It gives her father as Edward Henry Gray, and his trade is given as locksmith.
So now am thinking the family maybe where not travelers.
And they where in Islington London.
Any thoughts?
William James.
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Do you have her birth certificate? Both names together would help the search. There seem to be many Edward Grays around. With both names, you could search for the marriage and find out if they were married before the 1901 census.
Grace Gray june qtr 1906 Southwark vol 1d pg 117
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Hi Osprey.
No i don't have the birth cert, that is next on the list when i talk to my cousin tomorrow.
But i think i might have found Edward Henry Gray's birth on free B M D.
and also his marriage, again not sure, as we are not sure of the maiden name of his wife.
William James
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I can see these possible in 1901 and there are probably more
6 Springdale Rd, Stoke Newington RG13/206 folio 169 pg 47
Edward H Gray head mar 25 ? contractor b. Islington
Alice E wife 26 b. Hackney
Edward J son 3 months
Archibald H 3 months twins b. Stoke Newington
possible marriage
Edward Henry Gray march qtr 1900 Islington vol 1b pg 285 with Alice Emily Gunner on the same page
73 Kinglake St, Walworth RG13/377 folio 115 pg 5
Robert Vaughan head widower 52 ? b. Lambeth
Eliza Gray dau mar 23 b. Walworth
Edward Henry Gray son-in-law 23 ? b. Bermondsey
Eliza dau 2 b. Walworth
Robert Henry son 10 months b. Walworth
Think the enumerator meant grand-daughter and grandson for the children here as the relationship should be to head of family. Also, the occupations have big thick ink marks over them making them almost impossible to read, but I don't think Edward Henry's says locksmith. It might start with a 'g'. So neither Edward is a locksmith. Birth cert would give address and his occupation at that time so definitely worth getting as otherwise it would be guesswork.
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Hi
Yes will try to talk my cousin into getting the birth cert, and will send for it today i hope.
Thank you for your help.
William James.
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Hi my last name is Gray, I am from Norfolk and my family stopped all over Lincs, Norfolk and Suffolk and cambs. I am trying to find anyone who knew my Grandad and Granny Stanley Gray and Clara Smith from Lynn area in Norfolk. I especially want to contact me cousin Ada. Any info about my family will be great. Thanks
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Hi osprey
I now have the birth cert of Grace, and she was born on 22 march 1906, her father was Edward Henry Gray, her mother was Eliza Gray formally Vaughan, and the family was at 73 Kinglake street Newington. and Edward was a locksmith.
I have also sent for Edwards marriage cert to Eliza but under her name as his is misstranscribed.
I have also sent for the birth and death cert of Robert Henry Gray, which should all be here this weekend, fingers crossed.
William James
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Hi Gray girl
Sorry it has taken so long for me to respond but i have been on nights.
The more info i gather about this side of the family the more it looks like they where not travelling people at all.
So i don't think i will have any info for you on the people you seek.
William James.
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Hi Gray-Girl
Might be able to help if you can give any names further back? I know something of the Grays who travelled that area.
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Hi Gray girl
Sorry it has taken so long for me to respond but i have been on nights.
The more info i gather about this side of the family the more it looks like they where not travelling people at all.
So i don't think i will have any info for you on the people you seek.
William James.
What do you mean? please could you elaborate??? many thanks
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Hi Gray girl
The info that i have at the moment is that my Gray family are in Islington / Newington areas of London, i have this from the birth certs of 2 of their children.
I have sent for the marriage cert and will have Edward Henry Grays father from this.
I believe that the Gray family came from Norfolk but can't confirm this without the marriage cert of Edward, when i know Edwards father i can go back another generation.
But you must understand this is the family of a cousin of mine who i did not up to 6 weeks ago and i can not and will not post info on this family without i ask them first, if they do not want me to proceed then my hands are tied.
I am sorry if this is not what you want to hear but this is how i work.
It has to be there decision.
William James
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Yes i understand, but is your info from the consus records? If so you can find most of the Gray family history from www.rtfhs.org - I am looking for more recent history, my great great grandfather and mother. I already know that my family are Romany Gypsies so what is the meaning behind 'they were not travelling people at all'? I know about you not wanting to say.... can you give any clues :) :( please,
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Hi again, I have re read all the replies and post again, and I think we are looking for two different families?
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Gray girl if you followed the link to a site abt the grays on the rtfhs I wrote that site. I know a fair bit abt the midland grays but dont know of a stanley gray (only a stanley barron), and a cursory check of the census yielded no clues so I guess he was born after 1901?
If you have any earlier data, or If you can get his birth cert or even a marriage one which gives a fathers name, I might be able to help link you to the great family tree.
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Hi Gray girl
Yes i think so too. I have spoken to my cousin and the names you put on the post are not familiar to them at all.
William James
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Gray girl if you followed the link to a site abt the grays on the rtfhs I wrote that site. I know a fair bit abt the midland grays but dont know of a stanley gray (only a stanley barron), and a cursory check of the census yielded no clues so I guess he was born after 1901?
If you have any earlier data, or If you can get his birth cert or even a marriage one which gives a fathers name, I might be able to help link you to the great family tree.
I know this is an old post(2007) but I do know of Stanley and Clara they are my Great Aunt and Uncle.
They descend from Ossory and Elizabeth.
As most researchers of the Grays know he had a son called Osary or Ossri .
He had a daughter By the name of Jane/Genty /Jenty depending on which census you look at.
She had a liaison/marriage with Charles Smith'
They produced a son called Obadiha ,He was given for some unknown reason his mothers surname so all his descendants are Gray and not Smith.
He had about four wives or partners and many children.
His last wife was Adah Gray His cousin who was a bit younger than him.In the 1901 census she is 27 and he is 44 years old.
Four children are mentioned in this census,
Lapolius Samuel Gray Known as Poley 5yrs, Son, He is my Grandfather who died when I was 9 years old.
Verda 4yrs. Son
Pansey 3yrs.Daughter.My Mother used to say the way she dressed reminded her of a nurse.
Ivy 1yr. Daughter.
They also had more children after the 1901 census and one of the was Stanley who married Clara.I have met them when was younger.She became known as Old Clara.
Poley married Victoria Tuck, They were the parents of my mother Leila Gray.Grandfather served in the First World War.
I hope this helps someone in their searches .
Lillymoon.
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Hi Lillymoon,
Thanks for your reply, its good to hear from you. From what you've said, there are similarities in names, which is tradition. My name is Genty after Clara, again spelling varies, from birth register and christening records. One of her boys, my uncle is Verdi. If we are talking about the same family, it's possible we've met (maybe). You said you met Clara when you were younger, can you (do you mind?) saying when you met. Here's my email if you want to talk about this any more.
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Hello Genty, Good to hear from you.
It seems we are cousins.
I met them round the Kings Lyn area and at Cambridge's Midsummer Fair.
My Grandfather Poley went every year to the fair and we would stay the whole week with him.
His brothers,sisters and children would also join us.A family get together.
I still miss this and sometimes wish I could go back in time and get all the details we have missing about our family.
Stanley had brothers called Maurice and Walter that I did not mention before.
I have to make 3 post before I can use the personal message.
So am going to make another one now.
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Hello again Genty.
After this post I should be able to email you.
Do you have any family photo's,I have a few.
Going to email you now.
Lila.
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Hi Lila
I thought that might happen with the email, it's for the best really I suppose.
We also went to Cambridge fair, infact even went last year. I have an uncle Maurice, and I remember visiting a man called Wally (Walter??) it's hard sometimes to know who is who because most people were known by more than one name and nickname! Anyway I hope we get email sorted and we can talk more, it's exciting to think we could be related!!!
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wow great to have some new info thank you very much!!
good to see people getting in touch too, excellent.
I have a photo of Oseri Grays daughter Leborina, a photo and some paintings of Keomi Gray her sister, and some of Genty Grays daughter Leonorah if you are interested inbox me :)
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Hello An65
Thanks for your reply, it is an amazing discovery, I started looking in 2007 for my family, I feel so lucky to have have this opportunity, after such a long time I had forgotten my post on here.
I have spoken to an aunt of mine and she has confirmed everything Lillymoon has said, we are indeed 2nd cousins, and never met before. So anyone looking, never give up. Gray girl
I will try to mail you now
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my mam is almost 83 now, and she never saw a picture of her gran as shed died before she was born. After 20 years of research a distant relative pops up with a photo of her. Its truely amazing what you can find out :)
As I say those pictures are yours if you wish to send me your email addy, and I also have the baptismal dates of Verdi Pansy Rosemary Ivy and Lapolius :)
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wow great to have some new info thank you very much!!
good to see people getting in touch too, excellent.
I have a photo of Oseri Grays daughter Leborina, a photo and some paintings of Keomi Gray her sister, and some of Genty Grays daughter Leonorah if you are interested inbox me :)
Hello, I am just starting out researching my family tree. My father's GG grandmother was Keomi Gray and his ggg grandfather was Osery Gray. It is my understanding that Leberena (sp?) was Keomi's sister and she married George Barron. There son Claude George Barron married Florence Bonnett who was the daughter of Keomi and Charles Stewart Bonnett, making them cousins, before husband and wife (Leberona and Claude).
I would love to speak with someone further who knows more about the family and am interested in the photos and paintings you talked about in some of the posts I have seen. I am new to this site and so haven't mastered it yet - not sure I'll find this post again! I have seen photos of Osery Gray and paintings of Keomi when she sat for Frederick Sandys and Rossetti. Any further detail on any of the others would be hugely appreciated. Many thanksF
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Hello F
I'm not sure how or if I can help, I did start researching my family tree a while ago to find out for how many generations we have been Romany Gypsies but stopped looking to have baby 4 and 5 and to be honest just don't have time. I have the photos mentioned and I will search for them, do you have an email address?
If you don't mind me asking how have you found out who and how your relatives are ? Did you know the Grays or Smith from Norfolk? Stanley & Clara? If yes, how ? they were my grandparents.
Cushti Bok
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Hello F
I'm not sure how or if I can help, I did start researching my family tree a while ago to find out for how many generations we have been Romany Gypsies but stopped looking to have baby 4 and 5 and to be honest just don't have time. I have the photos mentioned and I will search for them, do you have an email address?
If you don't mind me asking how have you found out who and how your relatives are ? Did you know the Grays or Smith from Norfolk? Stanley & Clara? If yes, how ? they were my grandparents.
Cushti Bok
Hello, Many thanks for responding so promptly. I would be thrilled to see photos etc. We are actually part of the Barron family and my father never spoke much about them. I was interested in the fact that George Barron (I think Leborina's husband, there are so many I have to go back and remind myself) was a slot machine pioneer who then went on to become the owner of the Yarmouth Beach front arcades etc. My Dad died and so I decided to pursue it for various reasons, but as you know there are so many threads. I was unable to find out any more about Leborena and so stumbled on Keomi who is my fathers gg grandmother. Because she was muse to Fredericks Sandys and Dante Rossetti, this intrigued me and I am amazed to discover there is a painting of her in the Tate London and another, Medea, in Birmingham Art Gallery.
I don't know the Gray's from Norfolk, but my brother who was brought up there had Gray's in his class at school. Stanley and Clara sound familiar to me, but as Barron's, although Clara's maiden name would be different. I can find out from my Norfolk contingent.
Which strand are you from? I am fascinated by the Romany connection.
What photographs do you have? I do have an email, but I don't think they allow you to post on here. I think you have to post 4 times before you can converse offsite?
I will send another two and see what happens.
Thank you so much.
Nikki
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Hello Gray-girl, this is 3 of 4 posts in the hope something happens to allow to converse privately. Nikki
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and post 4
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Hello Nikki
It's true there are so many names I have to remind myself as I forget too.
The names you mention and the painting however I know I have been told are distant relations a few times now. There is a good website that gives in great detail many names, Barron and Heron in particular, where a woman has done a lot of research. I will see if I can recall it. What are the most recent dates you have? I can talk to some the family.
Genty
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Hi Genty
I am struggling with this site, so if I sent you half a reply, you'll know why. I have PM'd you my email. I'm so fascinated to see the photos. I have now gone through your posts and realised the Stanley and Clara you are talking about are definitely not Barrons, but I will do some research anyway.
Your name.......! Keomi and Leberena's sister was Genty! Is it pronounced with a soft G or like Gent as in man?
I will send you a list of the family members I know about and dates later this evening. I am intrigued to know your relation to this strand of the family.
Many thanks Nikki
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Hi Genty
I am struggling with this site, so if I sent you half a reply, you'll know why. I have PM'd you my email. I'm so fascinated to see the photos. I have now gone through your posts and realised the Stanley and Clara you are talking about are definitely not Barrons, but I will do some research anyway.
Your name.......! Keomi and Leberena's sister was Genty! Is it pronounced with a soft G or like Gent as in man?
I will send you a list of the family members I know about and dates later this evening. I am intrigued to know your relation to this strand of the family.
Many thanks Nikki
Genty, I am really struggling with this site, so not sure if any of my posts have gone through. In answer to your question about finding out about the ancestry, I work on ancestry.co.uk. My sister-in-law who is an expert on this has helped me find info, quickly and accurately, but it is time consuming. You need a certain amount of info, in terms of dates etc, but I am amazed at what I have uncovered without prior knowledge. She tell me it is the best and easiest site to use, as she uses others also. I can help you by PM if you need to know more.
Nikki
Hello F
I'm not sure how or if I can help, I did start researching my family tree a while ago to find out for how many generations we have been Romany Gypsies but stopped looking to have baby 4 and 5 and to be honest just don't have time. I have the photos mentioned and I will search for them, do you have an email address?
If you don't mind me asking how have you found out who and how your relatives are ? Did you know the Grays or Smith from Norfolk? Stanley & Clara? If yes, how ? they were my grandparents.
Cushti Bok
Hello, Many thanks for responding so promptly. I would be thrilled to see photos etc. We are actually part of the Barron family and my father never spoke much about them. I was interested in the fact that George Barron (I think Leborina's husband, there are so many I have to go back and remind myself) was a slot machine pioneer who then went on to become the owner of the Yarmouth Beach front arcades etc. My Dad died and so I decided to pursue it for various reasons, but as you know there are so many threads. I was unable to find out any more about Leborena and so stumbled on Keomi who is my fathers gg grandmother. Because she was muse to Fredericks Sandys and Dante Rossetti, this intrigued me and I am amazed to discover there is a painting of her in the Tate London and another, Medea, in Birmingham Art Gallery.
I don't know the Gray's from Norfolk, but my brother who was brought up there had Gray's in his class at school. Stanley and Clara sound familiar to me, but as Barron's, although Clara's maiden name would be different. I can find out from my Norfolk contingent.
Which strand are you from? I am fascinated by the Romany connection.
What photographs do you have? I do have an email, but I don't think they allow you to post on here. I think you have to post 4 times before you can converse offsite?
I will send another two and see what happens.
Thank you so much.
Nikki
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Googles your best friend :) try doing searches on the various spellings of their names I guarantee you will find stuff on them.
Oseri/Ossery (and other spellings) was married to 1) Elizabeth Billing and 2) Eliza Heron and by #2 he had:
Louis m Leanabel Smith
Jenty/Genty/Gentee or even simply Jane, who married 1)Charles Smith 2) Saint Honour/saint Noah Printer/Printall, and 3) Arkless "dud" Buckley/Smith.
Alfred married Emma Theresa Hartley
Adolphus married Laura Durrant and Harriet Foster
Samuel
Emily/Emma married Harry Middleton and Sydney Tyler
Keomi/kiome/keytumas who loaded with Frederick Sandys and married Charles Stewart Bonnett
Leborina/Laborina married George Barron (whos family started Barron Amusements)
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Hello An65, thank you for your info. I had some of this, but its nice to see where the gaps were. I was fairly certain Jane and Genty were the same, but had no proof to cross reference and same with Keomi/keytumus. I am wondering what happened to them as they appear on 1851 and 1871 census, but not 1861. I know Keomi's daughter Athel/Ethel by Frederick Sands, started in Buffalo Bills Wild West shows and there is reference to them in The States, so wondered if they went there for a while, of whether she was part of the shows when here?
I started tracing the Barron tree as I am a Barron and direct descendent, but in the short time I've been researching, have become distracted by the Grays and in particular Keomi's story.
Do you have any other info?
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Can't see who wrote this so cant say hello. But if you are tracing Gray family, the states connection is interesting, I know my father was invited to the states by family out there to work, luckily he turned it down and luckily met my mother!
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Interesting - the only Gray link to the States I'm aware of is Emma/Emily Gray who married Harry Sandbach Middleton and emigrated in 1883. Their son Gustavus William Middleton who married Lorina Leondra Agnes Madonna Mace, daughter of Pooley Mace (cousin of Jem Mace the pugilist).
If you are a Barron I know Lorenzo was researching Barron Amusements and the family tree about 20 years ago now.
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Keomi GRAY and Frederick Sandys were my GGG grandparents. 1864: Frederick attempted to get a divorce and "another woman" was quoted but not named in divorce proceedings (see Ancestry site). Same year - the first of Keomi and Fred's four children were born called Ethel (Athel on one census/but not Athela who is another Ethel Gray born at same time). Ethel went to USA, possibly with close friends of Emma Middleton about 1864 (not confirmed yet). In 1887 Ethel married Arnold Lee, Boston, Massachusetts ( I have seen marriage cert.) Relatives of Arnold are still in Boston. Arnold died on pioneer trail. Ethel had a daughter called Maud who she returned to England with about 1891. Ethel had a varied career and was a child actress at Drury Lane, at some point worked in the Buffalo Bill show either in the USA or England, and a palmist in London (see Census 1901). Her daughter, Maud, married William BARRON who was son of George and Leborina (Keomi's sister). Info was gathered from Ancestry site, Eric Trudgill and family.
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Hi Jane
Welcome to Rootschat - and fascinating to hear that you're related to Keomi Gray and Frederick Sandys. Are you a descendant of Athela/Ethel Maud, Frederick Cyril, Madeline Mabel or Herbert?
I don't have Gray blood myself but have been researching Keomi's family for many years as some members of my East Anglian Smith family tree married Grays and no doubt travelled with them. They include Laura Smith, the partner of Frederick Cyril Gray, Keomi's first son by Sandys; and Holly Hope, the grandson of Mary/Polly Smith, who married Nellie Gray or Bonnett, Keomi's daughter by Charlie Bonnett.
Happy to share what I have, including a photo of the marriage of Nellie Gray/Bonnett to Holly Hope in Great Yarmouth, 1898, with Keomi Gray and Charlie Bonnett in it. Just let me know what would help you in your research into Keomi and her family.
Best wishes
Sharon
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Hi Sharon
I am a descendant of Athel/Ethel Maud. I meant to write that she had gone to America in 1884 (not 1864 which was her birth year), on previous post. I found the record on Ancestry of Ethel travelling with the Tyler family. Harry S Middleton appears to have died in 1879 and Emma remarried Sydney Tyler in 1882, then travelled to New Orleans, from Liverpool, in 1884 with Ethel in tow. (I still need to double check these facts though). I would love to see a photo of Keomi and Charlie, but I am sadly lacking computer skills, so I need guidance!
All the best
Jane
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hello I am one of the gray family aswell (now showmen).
I have traced my family back to Lincolnshire cambs and Norfolk backwards it goes
grand dad Clarence wife reeney lowthorpe gt gd bert. gt gt gd adolphus wife emma. and I think his dad it seems anyway was called osseri / oserer wife eliza. any help clearing this up or more would be greatfully received.
thank you in hope.
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hello I am one of the gray family aswell (now showmen).
I have traced my family back to Lincolnshire cambs and Norfolk backwards it goes
grand dad Clarence wife reeney lowthorpe gt gd bert. gt gt gd adolphus wife emma. and I think his dad it seems anyway was called osseri / oserer wife eliza. any help clearing this up or more would be greatfully received.
thank you in hope.
Gotcha.
Clarence and Rene Lowthorpe married in 1939, and he appears to hae been born about 1900. his mother was Jane Elliott and his father Alfred the son of Adolphus & Harriet Forster. They were married in 1886 in Foulsham and Alfred and his siblings were born previous to that marriage but that's not unusual often gypsies didn't worry to marry at all because they lived by their own marriage rules. Having said that the children could have been the product of his previous marriage to laura durrant (1869 at Yarmouth). The children appear on census as if they were harriets. Alfred known siblings: Kenzer, Baron, Beatrice, Richenda and Lily. Adolphus was buried in 1901 at Watton. Now Adolphus siblings were: Louis married Leannabel Smith, Genty married Charles Smith, Saint Honor printer/printall and Arthur Smith aka Arkless aka Dud Buckley. Alfred married Emma Theresa Hartley, Samuel, Emily/Emma married Harry Middleton & Sydney Tyler {above} kiome who had a liason and several children with Frederick Sandys before marrying Charles Stewart Bonnett and Laborina who married George Barron.
The parents of this bunch were osseri/ossery/and other varied spellings Gray and Eliza Heron or Herring, who married in 1830 at Wisbech. He had previously been married to Elizabeth Billing (in 1823 Norwich) and his wife Eliza had had at least one child by John Budd (jack) Gray - Sonny b.1827.
Osseri Grays parents were Osseri Gray b.1777 Horningsea, s/o Thomas & Elizabeth, and his wife Ann Riches.
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hello I am one of the gray family aswell (now showmen).
I have traced my family back to Lincolnshire cambs and Norfolk backwards it goes
grand dad Clarence wife reeney lowthorpe gt gd bert. gt gt gd adolphus wife emma. and I think his dad it seems anyway was called osseri / oserer wife eliza. any help clearing this up or more would be greatfully received.
thank you in hope.
Gotcha.
Clarence and Rene Lowthorpe married in 1939, and he appears to hae been born about 1900. his mother was Jane Elliott and his father Alfred the son of Adolphus & Harriet Forster. They were married in 1886 in Foulsham and Alfred and his siblings were born previous to that marriage but that's not unusual often gypsies didn't worry to marry at all because they lived by their own marriage rules. Having said that the children could have been the product of his previous marriage to laura durrant (1869 at Yarmouth). The children appear on census as if they were harriets. Alfred known siblings: Kenzer, Baron, Beatrice, Richenda and Lily. Adolphus was buried in 1901 at Watton. Now Adolphus siblings were: Louis married Leannabel Smith, Genty married Charles Smith, Saint Honor printer/printall and Arthur Smith aka Arkless aka Dud Buckley. Alfred married Emma Theresa Hartley, Samuel, Emily/Emma married Harry Middleton & Sydney Tyler {above} kiome who had a liason and several children with Frederick Sandys before marrying Charles Stewart Bonnett and Laborina who married George Barron.
The parents of this bunch were osseri/ossery/and other varied spellings Gray and Eliza Heron or Herring, who married in 1830 at Wisbech. He had previously been married to Elizabeth Billing (in 1823 Norwich) and his wife Eliza had had at least one child by John Budd (jack) Gray - Sonny b.1827.
Osseri Grays parents were Osseri Gray b.1777 Horningsea, s/o Thomas
Hi there. My name is Louis Gray. Im a direct descendant of the above mentioned. Jane Elliott and Alfred Gray are my great Grandparents. Clarence was not one of their Children. Albert,my Grandad was. I'd be keen to hear more info going further back. All info appreciated
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This year ,just started helping with a friends family tree,, Grays of great yarmouth,,a descendant of Frederick Cyril Gray & Laura Smith....any info /photos ..please,,
Amazingly found that I'm connected to Laura Smith ! through James Whatnell & Adelaide Smith,,James was my GGgfather's brother.
Ive known my friend for over 40yrs !! just recently talked about our historys
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There is a funny set up here which means you have to make 4 or 5 posts before you can private message someone, and whilst we can swap email addresses in private message we can't on the main boards (here). So I recommend you post a couple more messages about your grays on here then when you can private message, message me and I can send you some info and photos.
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hello all, this is my first post, (so be gentle). i am a grandson of rabbi & pamela gray (nee smith), ggson of frederick & laura gray (nee smith), ggson of alby & madeline smith (nee gray), kiomi gray/bonnet would have been my gggrandmother, i belive alby's parents were walter & tilda smith my other gggrandparents but i dont know the generation befor that, i know kiomi's father was oseri. would love to hear any other information and happy to help anyone with the little i know.
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Oseri Gray was married to Eliza Heron and they were Keomis parents. He died in Docking workhouse after being found collapsed on the road in 1882. He was the son of an older Oseri Gray. Eliza's father was Edward "no name" Heron who was killed by a lightening strike at Tetford in 1831, along with Tyso Boswell. Their grave still stands in the churchyard.
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info on gray re Frederick Gray & Laura Smith please and thank you
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This year ,just started helping with a friends family tree,, Grays of great yarmouth,,a descendant of Frederick Cyril Gray & Laura Smith....any info /photos ..please,,
Amazingly found that I'm connected to Laura Smith ! through James Whatnell & Adelaide Smith,,James was my GGgfather's brother.
Ive known my friend for over 40yrs !! just recently talked about our historys
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This year ,just started helping with a friends family tree,, Grays of great yarmouth,,a descendant of Frederick Cyril Gray & Laura Smith....any info /photos ..please,,
Amazingly found that I'm connected to Laura Smith ! through James Whatnell & Adelaide Smith,,James was my GGgfather's brother.
Ive known my friend for over 40yrs !! just recently talked about our historys
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This year ,just started helping with a friends family tree,, Grays of great yarmouth,,a descendant of Frederick Cyril Gray & Laura Smith....any info /photos ..please,,
Amazingly found that I'm connected to Laura Smith ! through James Whatnell & Adelaide Smith,,James was my GGgfather's brother.
Ive known my friend for over 40yrs !! just recently talked about our historys
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hello all, this is my first post, (so be gentle). i am a grandson of rabbi & pamela gray (nee smith), ggson of frederick & laura gray (nee smith), ggson of alby & madeline smith (nee gray), kiomi gray/bonnet would have been my gggrandmother, i belive alby's parents were walter & tilda smith my other gggrandparents but i dont know the generation befor that, i know kiomi's father was oseri. would love to hear any other information and happy to help anyone with the little i know.
could be connected ????
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frederick & madeline gray were two of the the children of kiome gray, albert/alby & laura smith were two of the children of walter & tilda smith, frederick married laura, alby married madeline, fred & laura's son, rabbi cyril gray married pamela smith daughter of alby & madeline, rabbi & pamela were my maternal grandparents. i dont know any thing about the james & adelaide you mention would be interested in how they are connected to laura's parents.
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frederick & madeline gray were two of the the children of kiome gray, albert/alby & laura smith were two of the children of walter & tilda smith, frederick married laura, alby married madeline, fred & laura's son, rabbi cyril gray married pamela smith daughter of alby & madeline, rabbi & pamela were my maternal grandparents. i dont know any thing about the james & adelaide you mention would be interested in how they are connected to laura's parents.
Walter Smith & Adelaide Smith were siblings...
Walter married Matilda Gaskin ?.... 7 known children
Adelaide Smith married James Whatnell 7-8 children
on 1871 census at Birkenhead
smith family with whatnell family
plus walter smith & Adelaide Whatnell(Adlie , bad spelling here !)
parents Francis &Honor/Hannah Smith....
laura (lara) smith 3yr old with Walter & Matilda & Albert 2yrs
all horse dealers
hope this helps
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Hello. my grandfather was Holly Hope. He was at one time married to Nellie Bonnet, with a later marriage to Cecelia Smith. My father, John Holly Hope, was the first born of their three children. Regards, Holly
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Can't see who wrote this so cant say hello. But if you are tracing Gray family, the states connection is interesting, I know my father was invited to the states by family out there to work, luckily he turned it down and luckily met my mother!
Hi Everyone. I'm pretty new to discovering my ancestry, but it appears that some of you are my relations which is really exciting for me!
I'm also related to Ossery Gray, Adolphus - GGGF, Baron Gray who was my GGF and James (Jim Gray) was my GF. Annoyingly I did uncover more of my family tree a few years ago but can't find it now as have moved house a few times since then...
My GF Jim Gray died back in 2000 and I never had the opportunity to talk to him about the Romany family. In fact I only found out years after he died. I would really love to try and meet some people who knew my GF and also to hear from anyone who knows more about this branch of the family.
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Hello i am also your relation my family are thomas gray father of ossery who also had a son ossery then adolphus who had two wives both from lincolnshirethe first he followed to america and they came back together leaveing grays and her family out there and a brother who was sent to australia and died in a work house there. then he had a son bert who had a son clarence then my dad.
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Hello i am also your relation my family are thomas gray father of ossery who also had a son ossery then adolphus who had two wives both from lincolnshirethe first he followed to america and they came back together leaveing grays and her family out there and a brother who was sent to australia and died in a work house there. then he had a son bert who had a son clarence then my dad.
Hello! This is fascinating. So that mean that Your grandfather Clarence was cousins with my Grandfather Jim. Do you by chance know anyone who might have known my grandfather? I'm very keen to try and find someone who knew him before it's too late. I understand there was some kind of work related dispute between Jim and someone else which meant that Jim left his community of Norfolk for several years before returning in later life. I would really like to find out more about this and also what kind of work Jim, Baron, Adolphus and Ossery were doing. I know that they're all showmen.
I had heard of the American link before - do you know what they were doing out there?
Thanks for your reply.
Ben
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frederick & madeline gray were two of the the children of kiome gray, albert/alby & laura smith were two of the children of walter & tilda smith, frederick married laura, alby married madeline, fred & laura's son, rabbi cyril gray married pamela smith daughter of alby & madeline, rabbi & pamela were my maternal grandparents. i dont know any thing about the james & adelaide you mention would be interested in how they are connected to laura's parents.
I don’t know if you’ll see this as it is a long time since you posted but if you didn’t already know Rabbi and Pamela’s former home “The Tortoise” described as a showman’s road-rail living wagon is one of the exhibits at The Scarborough Fair Collection.
Pinetree
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I think I have a photo of them with that wagon but no idea how to post it?
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Hope this works - Rabbi & Pamela with the wagon
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Lily barron, violet gray, Stephen Hewitt, daisy gray, front - rabbi gray with son rabbi
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What a wonderful photo, thank you for sharing.
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Hi I’m a descendent of Adolphus Gray and Harriet Foster through their daughter Richender/Annie. I’ve done a lot of research but have never been able to find out what happened to Adolphus’s first wife Laura Durrant and their son Ernest Victor. Does anyone have any information on that please?