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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Roxburghshire => Topic started by: belfordian on Sunday 01 July 07 14:15 BST (UK)
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I am searching for info on William Glass who married Agnes Smart in 1813 in Wemyss, Fife). They emigrated to Canada where William must have died as Agnes returned pre 1841 as a widow with children first to Hobkirk, town o' Rule and then settled at Hayhope Farm, Yetholm. As I believe I may be connected to this family I would like any info re William such as date of birth, baptism and why he moved from Wemyss where he was a shepherd at Wemyss Castle. Where did he come from originally?
Can anyone help?
A mystery is that his wife Agnes had a sister Penelope who also married someone called William Glass in 1825 recorded both at Wemyss and Jedburgh. Penelope also moved down to Hobkirk and later settled in Canada with her son and family. Because Agnes and Penelope both raised children over the same period I think there are 2 Williams and not one!
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i am at a total loss with your two williams, but can i say that agnes had a child in jedburgh in 1828 and penelope had a child in 1827 in jedburgh.
william smart and margaret skinners had their banns read twice, the first was on the 30/10/1791 at markinch, fife, then on 25/11/1791 at wemyss.
the smart children
catherine- 16/8/1794
agnes- 15/9/1797
margaret- 27/8/1799
penelope- 7/4/1802
all children bor wemyss
william glass also had his banns read twice, first 10/7/1825 jedburgh and then 21/7/1825.
now in saying that oor wullie must have been fae jedburgh as we know that the smart family are fae wemyss.
the glass children
james- 1826
margaret- 16/8/1827
william and agnes married 23/9/1813
the glass children
margaret-16/7/1814
jean-31/7/1817
agnes-8/4/1819
william-21/9/1820
james-2/7/1822
richard-21/12/1824
catherine-1828
all the children were born in wemyss except catherine who was born in jedburgh.
scottish families have a naming pattern that is easy to follow but i cannot find a william with the father called james, for we now know that agnes and penelope's father was called william.
Joe
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Hi Berfordian
Have you followed through on the John Glass Snr. who shows with Penelope's family on the 1841/51 (I'm wondering whether there is some connection to Penelope's husband William):
From 1851:
Renelope Glass 48, retired farmer, b. Wemyss
James Glass 24, b. Jedburgh
Margaret Glass 23, b. Jedgurgh
John Glass 73, visitor, Sergt Vat Pentiones 45th Forth Kent, b. England
James Stewart 30, son in law, retired farmer, b. Ettrick, Selkirk
Robert Stewart 3, grandson, b. Hobkirk
William Stewart 1, grandson, b. Hobkirk
Address: Furlongs, Ancrum
There is a death showing in 1856 for a John Glass birth year 1777 in Ednam, Rox.
Regards.
Monica
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hi monica, well done, i have just looking at the 1841 on freecen and found this: (hopefully someone can put up the original so we can see what the relationship is)
1841 census-town o' rule, hobkirk
john glas- age 65-army pensioner-born england
james glass-14(i think this is penelope's son)
1841-hobkirk
penelope-35-farmer
margaret-12
1841-hobkirk
agnes-40-farmer
margaret-20
jane-20
william-19
james-15
catherine-12
i really must ask but why are both women widowed at the same time?
Joe
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Joe, remember there are no relationships given within the household for the 1841 census.
It is strange about the two Williams Glass husbands....
Monica :)
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hi,
margaret glass married james stewart in hobkirk, 29/8/1847
james married jane rutherford in eckford on 28/3/1860
the glass children
isabella mary- 31/12/1860
penelope smart-9/91862
william-18/2/1864
margaret- 22/1/1866
agnes janet johnston- 14/4/1868
mary mills- 1/4/1870
all children born ednam
Joe
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Thanks Joe, for all the info you have sent. I'm esp interested to hear about the Smarts as I had very little on them. I have all the census info on the Glass family after they moved down to roxs. But I just wish I knew more about the 2 Williams!
Val
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Monica, thanks for further info. i know about John Glass ex soldier. I even found details of his army medals! I believe he is the brother of my 4xgt grandfather from Northumberland. Finding John in Roxs. put me on the trail of the Glass family from Roxs and Wemyss. You see on john's death certificate his parents are the same as my ancestors!! and further more, another brother moved from Northumberland up to Wemyss about the same time as the others moved away from Wemyss!! The mystery deepens.
I am beginning to think they all started from Wemyss in the first place....
Val
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there was a john glass married to margaret elliot who had a son william in jedburgh on the 7/12/1828.
the best i can do for the smarts is only pure guesswork, no doubt you can research them a little further.
i think william smart was born dysart in 1773 to george and catherine forgan.
george married catherine on the 1/12/1764 in dysart.
catherine forgan was born 14/11/1744 in dysart
george was born 29/7/1733 dysart and was the son of john and elizabeth elspet goodwilly.
remember this is pure guesswork.
joe
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This is so helpful (and so confusing because we can't seem to figure out the Williams). I'm descended from William and Penelope's son James who came to Canada in 1870 with his wife Jane and six children. Penelope came as well. If anyone has updated information, I'd love to read about it. It's amazing to be able to learn about my Scottish roots.
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Glad you can make sense of it all! I am a possible relative in Northumberland, England. Just need to find the missing link between your line and mine. The John Glass listed on the 1841 and 1851 census is the brother of my 3xgreatgrandfather Robert Glass. A 3rd brother is probably the shepherd who went to Wemyss Castle in the 1820's.
Do send me a PM if you need more information or clarification.
Val
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Belfordian, if I had a clue how to PM you, I would, but I'm totally new to the Forum world. Interesting connections, though, in a short time.
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As far as I remember you click on the tiny green icon on the left hand side of the screen. Do you live in Canada? I have met one of you who lives now in Michigan and we visited The ancestral home at Kelso when he came over here.
Val