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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Monaghan => Topic started by: Mr J T Arthur on Sunday 01 July 07 20:06 BST (UK)
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Seeking family of James Joseph Duffy, Mineral Water Manufacturer of New Street (now O'Neill Street) Carrickmacross, father of Vincent Michael Duffy (1881 - 1912) press artist and Bernard Joseph Duffy (1882 - 1952) barrister, author/playwright by his 1st wife Mary Ann McEntegart who died in 1885.
In 1895 James Joseph Duffy married his second wife Ann Hoey daughter of Patrick Hoey of Co Louth and Ann Martin of Leons Beg, Magheracloone at Sunderland, Co Durham. Three more Duffy children were born at Carrickmacross, Anna Maria (1896) James Joseph (1898) and Mary Ellen (1899.) Sadly James Joseph Duffy became a widower for a second time on the death of Ann aged 30 who was taken to the Rock Chapel Cemetery, Magheracloone for burial and he died 1912 aged 58 leaving the children orphans.
In 1912 the children,s next of kin was Bernard Joseph Duffy then aged 30 unmarried and practising as a barrister in Dublin. Anna Maria, James Joseph and Mary Ellen Duffy were my mother's second cousins and I who like to know what become of them after 1912.
I would be grateful for any clues,
Thanking you all in anticipation,
Mr Terence Arthur,
Tyne & Wear,
England.
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Hi did any off your rellies live in the cumberland area
nina
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Not to my knowledge.
JTA
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James Joseph Duffy was my grandfather, if you reply i can fill you in more.
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For the attention of AGrieve. Thank you for your response. This was an old post of mine from nearly 12 years ago but I'm still interested.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
J.T.A.
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For information:
Marriage - James J Duffy & Mary A McEntegart - 13 July 1880
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1880/11041/8038585.pdf
KG
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R.C.
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=Carrickmacross+%28Diocese+of+Clogher%29
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This search on https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
might get Bernard if he marred
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For reference:
Death, Mary Ann Duffy – 19 November 1885 #99
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1885/06270/4796152.pdf
KG
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You can try the likes of this for Marriages of children
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Bernard J Duffy in 1901 Irish Census, living with his uncles.
Peter McEntegart was the informant for the death of his sister, Mary Ann Duffy.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nun/
KG
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James Joseph Duffy was my grandfather, if you reply i can fill you in more.
Are people wasting their time looking for him in Ireland??
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Sister, Mary Josephine born 1884.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/cert_amends/cert_1884/1995583a.pdf
KG
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The poor mite died at one month :(
Cause of death: debility at death being premature.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1884/06325/4814105.pdf
KG
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My grandfather was called James Joseph Duffy and married Elizabeth Jordan in Castleblayney in 1923.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1923/09191/5324386.pdf
They then moved to Scotland, and he died just months before a son also called James Joseph Duffy in 1937.
https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/record-results?search_type=people&dl_cat=statutory&dl_rec=statutory-deaths&surname=Duffy&surname_so=exact&forename=James&forename_so=starts&other_surname_so=exact&mmsurname_so=exact&sex=M&from_year=1937&to_year=1937&birth_year_range=1&county=GLASGOW%20CITY&record_type=stat_deaths
The only missing piece is the fact that his mother was recorded as a Catherine O'Brien on the death certificate. But we cannot find any records of a person in relation to marriages/birth/death in Ireland in the relevant period. Also the date of birth of this James Joseph matches exactly with our records
I know that the marriage certificate is correct but this family is the closest match in the area which we can find for before then. We have also had stories from my 85 year old mother (who's never seen her father) that there was an English connection which may be linked here, with Anne Develin, staying with this family at the time of the 1901 census. My mother also said that he had a sister called Mary, who also lived by this time in Glasgow with 1 son - which matches this family also.
We have went through the census in Monaghan in 1901/11 and cannot find records of a Catherine Duffy with a matching family record.
The father of the James Joseph born in 1898 was also recorded as James Joseph (which matches) and in the death certificate of Elizabeth Jordan (from the 1980s) James Joseph is recorded as a Musician, which may possibly be linked with Bernard Duffy's lifetime in theater.
This may be of help to us both, please let me know what you think.
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Yes, Anne Develin is there with them on Census!
The father of the James Joseph born in 1898 was also recorded as James Joseph.... but why not look at Cert to see what Mothers' name was??
The father is a Widower on 1911 Census, you know her name from birth cert and census... there is probably a death cert for her too if you just amend search to Duffy Carrickmacross put in year rance and tick Deaths!
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Looking at all the information on 1911 census you also see father was married twice and that Anne Develin was born in England!
You went through the census in Monaghan in 1901/11 and cannot find records of a Catherine Duffy with a matching family record.... simply because her name (which is on Birth Cert ) clearly wasn't Catherine!
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I have comprehensively researched this family up to 1912 and have all the certificates. James Joseph Duffy junior's mother Ann Duffy was born Sunderland, her mother was Ann Martin born Leons Beg Magheracloone. I was hoping to find out what happened to the three orphaned children after James Joseph Duffy senior died in a private Dublin hospital. I have details of Bernard Duffy's marriage in Dublin where he lived and his involvement with the Abbey Theatre after attending Trinity Collage. I also managed to pick up an original copy of his book Oriel partly set in Carrickmacross.
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PS: Ann Duffy's maiden name was Hoey, she died 1903 when her children were infants. I have her obit, it was a large funeral.
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different path: I am wondering if a Michael Duffy widower who left CM about 1845 for Cobourg Canada with five children (3G 2B) i understand. Did he have a brother James Joseph Duffy or an uncle or father Laurence/Lawrence Duffy and aunt or mother Sarah Lacey Duffy? My Duffy family trace began in Cobourg Canada 1857 with said James J (b1832?) marriage to Margaret Fennell and we have not yet found the Ireland location source. James' death cert in Canada 1911 notes the Sarah and Lawrence. thanks
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Ann Duffy's maiden name was Hoey, she died 1903 when her children were infants.
Died 6 August 1903 at Carrickmacross - aged 30 yrs - wife of a mineral water manufacturer.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1903/05654/4591816.pdf
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my 2GG James Duffy b1832 seems to have been a part of the 1847 Major Mahon emigration efforts but maybe stayed a while longer (he married in Cobourg Canada in 1857 to Marg't Fennell.) James may have been on an ejectments crew at Shirley Estate as that name is noted in academic paper re Shirley estate in Sept 1849. I wasn't there; I cannot judge.
So wondering about any awareness on chat of his presence and activities late 1840s on estate or after escaping it. His probable cousin widower Michael Duffy (1801-1865) and five children (from Loughboy/Logboy) did leave 1847 Mahon voyages and safely arrived via Quebec to Cobourg Ontario. So hard to find docs or lists for James as a single or in a young adult sibling group anywhere.