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I am trying to find information or locate descendants of William Allen Layfield (Leighfield) and Walter William Layfield who were British Home Child sent to Canada in 1907. They both came out of the Manchester and Salford Boys and Girls home, and it is believed there may have been one sister who died young. While I am not exactly sure of their birthdates, indications are that Walter was born in 1897 and William was born Dec 29, 1891.
William returned to England later in life and re-married an Evelyn Gough. He had two girls by this marriage-- Joan and Sylvia. Sylvia married a Shaw gentleman; and Joan married a gentleman by the name of Chuck Zasada (not exactly sure if this is the correct spelling). I would like to hear from anyone with information about this family. Thanks in advance for any assistance....
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http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/Test16.jsp?id=92441
This may be your William transcribed as Lugfield on the 1911, as a labourer in the home of the Perrin family Cavan, Durham, Ontario...(Dec 1891 birth, imm. 1907) J..J.
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and this may be Walter as a domestic in the home of the McQuade family...
1911 census of Emily, Victoria-Haliburton , Ontario...
(b. July 1896, imm. 1907)
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/Test16.jsp?id=127873
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William Allen Layfield's WW1 attestation papers/ Fraserville Ont. and born in Dec. 29 1898
http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc009/453089a.gif
http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc009/453089b.gif
This is the right one on 1911 as it lists J.W. Perrin as next of kin...(friend)
and for Walter William (William Walter) Layfield/Leighfield- Living in Winnipeg, Manitoba lists brother as next of kin) occ. farmer...Says born July 14th 1895, Handforth Lancashire...
http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc009/453088a.gif
http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc009/453088b.gif
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Hello gemmee!!
Welcome to Rootschat :)
Have you ordered the marriage certificate of William and Evelyn? Perhaps it would have William's father's name on it.
Karen
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Joan married a gentleman by the name of Chuck Zasada (not exactly sure if this is the correct spelling).
a possibilty...
Death
Name: Chuck Zasada
Birth Date: 17 Jun 1949
Death Registration Month/Year: Mar 2003
Age at death (estimated): 53
Registration district: Cirencester
Inferred County: Gloucestershire, Wiltshire
Register number: 43D
Entry Number: 87
Sue
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Hello Karen & Sue! Don't get on much but "Home children " caught my eye...
gemmee ...oh, yes, welcome to rootchat, meganoobie!...we'll do our best to find all we can for you. Have you told us all that YOU know?
:D J.J.
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Hi, some time back i was trying to find records of my relations who were places in a Salford home and then later one was sent out to Canada. Thanks to the people on this post i did manage to find his records in Canada. the only Home i could find in Salford for around that time was Manchester and Salford Boys and Girls Refuges. the address was ; No. 2 to 12 George street. Salford. i do know they were on the 1901 census. I did manage to get hold of the contract for my two relatives going in to the home. i found them at http://www.togethertrust.org.uk/
A very kind man called Toby Davidson there helped . If you write to him tobydavison[AT]bgws.org.uk I am sure he would try and search for any records, but this may take him a little time as he is short on resource's. If your relation was sent to Canada you may also try contacing http://www.barnardos.org.uk/
As they now hold any records of children sent out to Canada. I hope this is some use to you?
good lucky with your search
MIGKY ;)
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Wow, I'm overwhelmed already by the replies to my post yesterday... wouldn't have thought to look for Lugfield....
Had the attestation papers for both Walter and William and noted the Perrin friend as next of kin
--- the McQuade reference is new....
If my memory serves me correctly, I think on the attestation paper for one of the brothers said parents deceased but I was told by one of Walter's daughters that birthdate on their father was wrong (too young to enlist, so lied) and that maybe parents not deceased; he possibly just didn't want to give name of anyone who might confirm a birthdate. (BTW, Walter's family in the US knew even less than I did when I started all this)...
Couldn't find any reference to marriage of William and Ethel, Karen, so you're one up on me....... again...;)
Hmmm... WHAT ELSE DO I KNOW? Well the gentleman at the BHC center in Ottawa did a British census look up for me for 1901 and came up with a William and a Walter in the home of a Frank and Eliza Layfield in Manchester--birthdates were off a bit, but aside from that, things *seemed* a fit..... I went on to Rootsweb and posted a query to find information/descendants of this family and got a reply from a descendant--turned out that their Walter and William were fully accounted for in England, married, kids, etc.... so not a fit at all---(Unless there was a coverup by the family).
Walter left Canada to go to the US, and I did find indications of border crossings into the US.
Not sure if Evelyn Gough and William Layfield were actually married... the really old address in my father's address book still listed her as Gough--in Woking Surrey. I believe she had a daughter--Wendy--before she met William (I think, Mrs David Easton). (I'm just trying to match names in the address book with some pictures that dad had--not identified very well)
With reference to Chuck Zasada, that could be a possibility-- birthdate, I think, should have been in that range, and the address in my father's address book is in Gloucestershire.
The very old address I have for Sylvia Shaw is in Oxfordshire.
That is the sum total of any factual information I might have. I am currently awaiting receipt of a copy of William's military record---and just as soon as I figure out how to get a copy of his marriage certificate, I will be onto that as well. I have also ordered copies of his record from the Barnardo Centre in England--they tell me the wait is 6-9 months, so I only have 5-8 months left to wait.
Thanks to everyone for your help so far... I really am overwhelmed that there were so many responses so soon... I'm used to waiting months/years for replies to queries (have been working on my mother's family for a very long time as well). Thanks again.
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You might be lucky like me , our records only took a month or too.
Migky ;)
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Migky.... thanks for the tips; I just dropped a note to Mr. Davidson... keeping my fingers crossed. I don't dare entertain the possibility of getting a report from Barnardo's in that short a time---I would drive myself absolutely nuts checking for it every day!!!
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Darn... my message to Toby Davidson bounced back...
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http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl
This is likely the Openshaw birth from the 1901 for Manchester...
Births Dec. Q 1898
Layfield, Walter Chorlton vol. 8c page 753 The name does not seem that widely
used...Maybe they weren't registered, either...but they should be on the 1901!
So some help from the U.K. / U.S. Troops needed, huh.... ;D J.J.
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Hopefully once you get the military files there will be a clue in them. It would be great to find a marriage certificate for William or Walter and if it had their father's name you could pinpoint them in the 1901 census.
Karen
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It looks like Walter may have served in WWII as well for the USA, although he has Canada as his place of birth....
Walter William Layfield
Date of Birth: May 26, 1896
Place of Birth: Peterborough, Canada
Name of Person who knows your address: Mrs. Mary Layfield, Pittsburgh, PA
Karen
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Gem,
Just a few questions....
When was William's first child born and was it in Ontario?
When was the last child born?
When did Ethel die?
Karen
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Hi everyone,
I have the border crossings for Walter. He crossed from Canada to the US twice in 1922 and itl looks as though he stayed after the 2nd crossing.
Ist time was July 26 and he crossed at Buffalo, New York.
He gave his address as Niagra on Lake and his next of kin as his brother William A. living in Ticksone? (can't read) Ontario. He is a salesman and his destination is Lewiston New York. He has $45 dollars on him.
He is 5'6" medium complexion with light brown hair. He was born in Manchester, England and came to Halifax, NS in April 1907.
The second entry is from a log book and just gives his name and the date of crossing - August 1922 in Lewiston, New York. He is a salesman who is going to stay permanently in the US.
Indi
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Hi Indi,
Had a look and I think it's Timmons, Ontario
Karen
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Yes, I noticed the notation about the Peterborough birthplace as well going through some stuff... I mentioned it while speaking one day with one of his daughter's and she did say for sure that he was born in England....
I really am keen to find a birth certificate now---- I just found a note in the back of the *infamous* address book (it's huge and well filled!)---says that William and Walter were raised in Manchester at a Dr. Bernardos Home; age 12 when they came from the orphanage to Dr. Bernardo's.... There was one sister, she fell from a hobby horse and broke her neck.......
THEN: "It is not known whether Layfield was the proper name." I assumed that referred to the spelling (i.e. could be Leighfield).... the home would have to have some sort of official documentation wouldn't it to prove each child's identity... someone couldn't just decide to change a child's name when putting them into a home, could they???
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Since you are new to rootschat, gemmee, you may be missing reading some postings...You only get one notification, but there may be several postings to read...I noticed you hadn't answered Karen's query, or acknowledged Indi's posting...so just to point this out if you missed them...
( I remember when I missed many, myself...probably still do...)
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I am not sure if they did have to prove who the child was? because nothing was mentioned to me as to proof of who the child was when i applied for there records in the Salford home? but you would think they should have asked for there birth certificates? As i have chased British paper trails they seem a bit thin on the ground so to speak. Not a lot of infomation in them. it is only when you get records from here in the UK and Canada , can you piece together the bits in between.
Migky ;)
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Very good question... this is where information becomes even more sparse....A letter I received from Ethel's sister says she was born in 1905 in Portland Twsp...she died in 1936.... she had the one son by the Shultz fellow... and then 5 sons with William... my father was the oldest, and I think he was born in 1926--- so 5 kids between 1926 and 1936 and the youngest was a baby when she died.
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You are absolutely right.... these replies are coming fast and furious...I can hardly keep up with them.... I'm still getting used to this chat format.... should I be using the "insert quote" when replying to these messages.... up until now I have just been using the reply button at the bottom of the page....
Tks for the info on the border crossings, I'm guessing that $45 in those days was quite a bit of money... never heard before that he was a salesman... interesting, ex-army man turned salesman....
Also didn't know that he was in military in US ---his family (of 7 girls and 1 boy) will be pretty interested when I get things put together for them. Walter's wife was also an orphan, but not from England....
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Hi gem,
You're doing great!! I find it just as easy to acknowledge the person's name in the reply, then they know you are talking to them :)
If you could get the marriage certificate for William and Ethel in Ontario, that would be great, hopefully William knew who his parents were and put them down. Ontario marriages are public up to 1925, so if your father was born c1926, maybe they married in 1925?? Each year a new year is added.
I know my library has up to 1924 for the marriage index, but not sure if they have the 1925 index yet, I'm on my way to the grocery store, and drive right past, so I'll pop in and see.
Karen
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Karen you are always such a gem... :D J.J.
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Thanks JJ, you know the Home Children have special spot in my heart!!
LOL, besides, all 3 kids are home with summer holidays, so it will be nice to go to the library for some peace and quite ;D
Karen
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[quote author=J.J. Births Dec. Q 1898
Layfield, Walter Chorlton vol. 8c page 753 The name does not seem that widely
used...Maybe they weren't registered, either...but they should be on the 1901!
a big maybe :-\
Williams age not promising.
1901 RG13/3681 Folio 107
Frank Layfield Head 42 b Bradford, Yorkshire... iron turner filter, loco engineer
Eliza Layfield Wife 43 b Lincoln, Lincolnshire
Frank Layfield Son 12 b Openshaw
Ernest Layfield 10 b Openshaw
William Layfield Son 4 b Openshaw
James Layfield Son 4 b Openshaw
Walter Layfield Son 2 b Openshaw
Sarah A Layfield Dau 15 b Openshaw
27 Abbey St, Ardwick, Lancashire
Reg Dist: Chorlton
Sue
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Just looked at Freebmd for the twins...
William Frederick Layfield
James Robert Layfield
Year 1897 Qtr Mar Dist: Chorlton Vol 8c pg 863
So can't be the family >:(
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I realized afterwards that it was William born December, not Walter anyway, hmmmm....but Walter does change his birth month a bit in above entries....argh...where are these boys in 1901?
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I got 'em in 1901!
RG13/3320 Folio 28 Page 7
Cheshire, Styal
District Chorlton Union Cottage Homes
Walter LEYFIELD age 5
William LEYFIELD Age 10
both born in Manchester.
The problom might be that it says that almost all of the children on the page were born in Manchester....this doesn't seem likely!
Off to look for LEYFIELD
Cheers
Indi
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wow ! :o :o well done , have you any more details on the name or the place of the home?
Migky ;)
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Oh, good one, Indi...I was thinking they can't have been orphaned so young...
Just for the record there's this death, then in Deaths Sept Q. 1899 for a William Layfield age 45 Manchester vol. 8d pge 270
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well this is actually for the record...the other is spec...I know you have this.....but for others searching....
http://www.collectionscanada.ca/archivianet/02011003_e.html
William Age 15 / Walter age 10
1907 on the ship Tunisian
Departure / Liverpool 4 Apr 1907
Arrival/ Halifax April 12 1907 Destination: Belleville, Ont
Microfilm reel: T-502
Have you checked to see what was on these reels Gem?
Comments: See also tapes T525 and C4688
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http://www.institutions.org.uk/orphanages/LAN/styal_homes.htm
It only started up in 1895...
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http://globalgenealogy.com/globalgazette/gazfd/gazfd54.htm
( you'll recognize this gal, Karen from your show!)
Chorlton Union Records 1889-1947 — 1 reel(s) . Register of children who immigrated to Canada under auspices of various societies including details of each child's background, date of sailing, destination and comments on report received from employer in Canada, with a nominal index at the front of the register. MG40-M30 Originals with the City of Manchester Archives Department.
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http://globalgenealogy.com/globalgazette/gazfd/gazfd54.htm
( you'll recognize this gal, Karen from your show!)
Aha, my friend Fawn!! She is amazing with her knowledge :)
Karen
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Went to the library and they only have up to 1924 so far, so I checked 1923 and 1924 and there was no marriage for William and Ethel.
Indi, great job on the census!
Karen
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Haha :D...Hope you enjoyed your "quiet time" Karen...
By the way the reference to a show above that Fawne is in.... is ancestors in the attic...wasn't enthralled with it at fiirst but it's become quite a good show with more thought put into the topics all the time...even brings a wee tear to my eye sometimes...
http://www.history.ca/AncestorsintheAttic/story.aspx
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you guys are quick... It's taking all I've got to keep up w/you.... so Karen, I too have check marriage records in Ontario-- she was from Verona, Frontenac Co., I believe, and I too have come up w/nothing, at least in that county--online .... will check some of the others on the off chance that maybe she was living elsewhere when hubby #1 died.
JJ-- I have managed to find the reference to the Chorlton Union files at the Nat. Archives--and materials not yet available for consultation--- my luck!, wouldn't ya know! However, will keep checking back..
Indi, So, am I understanding correctly that as early as 1901 that both boys were in the Cheshire Styal, Chorlton Cottage Homes? --- If that William Layfield death that JJ cited was their father, potentially they were there even earlier.... making them orphaned very young. Is the 1901 reference you cited a National Archives ref as well?
Am I caught up yet? I've been shadowing all your moves...hope I didn't miss anything? You ladies work like a finely oiled machine.... I'm amazed....
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Just wanted to thank all of you for your help yesterday with my Walter and William Layfield... Karen, Indi, Migky, J.J. , Sue.... you guys are amazing! Now I have references to follow up on, and another avenue to pursue---the Leyfields.... I learned a lot yesterday.... what I figured was a dead end search just got a lot brighter... thanks.... gail
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BTW, this is my grandfather... hope the picture comes through o.k. Another thing I've learned today (if it works)..!!! :) gail
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Hi Gail, i think you should put his picture in for a wash and brush up on Photograph Restoration
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,298.0.html
Let them have a go in there and see what great work they can do for you ;D
wish i had one of my Greatuncle who was in the home :(
But you never know what turns up in this game.
Migky ;)
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Hi Gail,
What a smashing picture of your gramps. Lovely.
I have been thinking about your BHC children and I wanted to mention a couple of things re: the birth certificates.
I had quite a bit of trouble with finding all the birth certs for my 7 British Home Children rellies. What I finally discovered was that 2 of the children were born before the parents were married and the births were registered under the mother's maiden name (Wallis) ....which I was able to get when I ordered the marriage certificate for my Great-uncle. But, these 2 children must not have known that as, when they married in Canada, they used their father's name (Aldridge)
Also, although these children had middle names at the time of their marriage, 3 of them were registered with just a single christian name!
Just some things to consider.
Regards
Indi
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Good point... something to definitely consider. So many things to keep in mind--
I am just enjoying this rootschat so much.... This afternoon Migky also put me onto the photo restorations thread--- and what a person should do to clean up and prserve all of the old pictures.... I have an album full of old pictures, including some of the tin type which are deteriorating badly-- will have to get into them next... bad enough that they're deteriorating, but none of them are identified!!
Thanks Indi for all your help.... I haven't had a chance yet, but will be looking into the "Leyfields" in Manchester next...thanks for unveiling that interesting fact...
Now for all those who helped me and who may post the odd message in the next week or so, I just wanted to let you know that I will be out of the province from the 12th to the 19th, but will be back at it first thing when I get home..... Thanks again.
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sorry got nowhere with Walter or William for those dates or even near
audrey
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Audrey checked the BVRI... phooey.... :-\ Thanks for checking, Audrey...
maybe read the thread thru when you have time and it might spark a new avenue for you to try... J.J.
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thanks audrey for your efforts on my behalf... but enlighten me... what is BVRI???
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Hello Gail,
Hope you had a nice trip!! It will be interesting once you get your grandfather's full military file to see what sort of information is in there.
Karen
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http://www.genoot.com/downloads/BVRI2/ ;D J.J.
( The LDS has given us lots of free info, but from now on I believe they are only adding recent info to cd, at a cost....seems fair...but like the IGI...you never know what's going to be covered within a district))
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Thanks Karen... we had a great trip.... and the weather gods did bring some cooler temps just like I asked!!
Yes, I can't wait for the file... was wishing I had asked for Walter's as well... but probably best to see what comes out of William Allen's first... I foolishly had myself convinced that there would something in the mail when we arrived back home.... but nada :'(
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Oooh..... yeah.... BVRI British Vital Records Index... makes sense ::) will get myself into that next.... Gee, I've been retired for almost 3 weeks and have been busier in those 3 weeks than I have in the past 3 years!! How did I ever get time to do this stuff before---and without high speed?!?!? Probably why progress was soooooo slow!!
Thanks J.J..... :) gail
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Oh, you are most welcome, wish we'd have solved it all...
but as you say, we have time, and hopefully something new will spark from the papers...all fingers crossed! J.J.
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Another clue..... Just found a reference to a William Allen Layfield married to my Ethel Bauder on a family tree--(and have sent message to keeper of the tree)... says, but no reference, that Wm. Allen born Egham Surrey, England.... I also have a picture of his gravesite in England, and on the back it says -- cemetery, Egham Surrey..... is there a site where there are cemetery transcriptions?
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Not sure if this is what you are looking for?
http://www.wsfhs.org/Monumental.htm
Migky ;)
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Indi, and all---I can't thank you enough for all your help.
I sent a query to the Manchester Library and Archives and these 2 boys you identified indeed were my grandfather and his brother, Walter.... I'm not sure if size of messages are restricted, but I am going to try to copy their reply into this message, so that if others come looking for the same family, the information will be here.... Hope that's o.k. Here goes:
Dear Gail
I have found William and Walter in the Chorlton Union Register of Children (M4/60/2). I cannot photocopy the register because it is in poor condition.
For both boys the following information is the same:
Particulars re parents: 'Deserted. Mother Harriet Leighfield, widow'
Township chargeable: 'R.O.'
Prior chargeable: Styal Cottage Homes'
Date of discharge from school: 13 Mar 1907
Society responsible: Manchester and Salford Boys' and Girls' Refuges
Sailing: 4 Apr 1907
Destination: Ontario
William:
Born 29 Dec 1891
Employer: Miss I T Hutchinson, Canan, Ontario
Employer: James Perrin, Millbrook, Ontario
Reports: various good and fair reports from 1907-1911, including one dated 25 Apr 1908: 'boy met with accident, lost use of one eye through kicks from colt' (Hutchinson)
Walter:
Born 1897
Employer: Mrs D Hunter, Canan, Ontario
Employer: W Sandford, Eldorado
Employer: J H H McQuade, Omernce P. B. Ontario
Employer: Matthews Laing Co., Pork Packers, Peterborough, Ontario
Reports: one poor, 5 good and 3 bad reports, including one dated 10 May 1911: 'boy troublesome and untruthful' (McQuade), and one dated 26 Aug 1912: 'address not known', and two special reports dated 22 May1912 and 18 Feb 1914 but with no details
We hold the log books of Styal Cottage Homes, but these do not feature children's details. The admissions registers, which do, are still held by Social Services. Kind regards,
David Govier
Archivist
RG13/3320 Folio 28 Page 7
Cheshire, Styal
District Chorlton Union Cottage Homes
Walter LEYFIELD age 5
William LEYFIELD Age 10
both born in Manchester.
The problom might be that it says that almost all of the children on the page were born in Manchester....this doesn't seem likely!
Off to look for LEYFIELD
Cheers
Indi
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....We have a resource sub board with some information and hopefully up-to date rootchatter's home child entries... ( I try to keep it updated :D ) so people can also find their way here from there...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,148045.0.html
also a rootschatter is part of a descendant of home children site, her posting and web link can be found on there as well....
How wonderful to get so much information, gemmee... ;D
( ouch to the horse kick, poor kid!) J.J.
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Possibility for the boys' mother?
1901 Chorlton Union Workhouse RG13/3673 folio 164 pg 31
Harriet Layfield widow 38 school teacher b. Ripon, Yorkshire
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Thanks for the heads up on that rootschatter site, J.J. I will wander on over and read for a bit.
And Osprey, thanks for the heads up on the boys' mother. You know I was so excited when I received that email, all I could think of was, Blimey, we found them!!! Then about half an hour later, I began to think about all the searching that find is going to create .... looks like I'm really just beginning!!!
Wow, she was a school teacher... how difficult must that have been to give up her own children?!
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Think you would need proof, but it would be a huge coincidence for it to be another widowed Harriet Layfield in the Chorlton Union area. As the workhouse could also provide healthcare, I wondered if she was not well enough to care for the boys. Perhaps another query for the Manchester Archives?
But at least you've got some details to work from now.
:)
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Agreed, Osprey... what's the chances?! I have replied back to the Archivist in Manchester and hope that he might indulge me one more time. I'm hopeful that mid-week next week, I may get replies both from him and from the registry in Manchester where I requested details on the children's records at Chorlton. Surely, somewhere amongst all this there will be a father's name.
Perhaps by the time the report comes from Barnardo's, I will have all the information. :) I think it was Migky that told me that she got more information from the Home than she did from Barnardo's.... oh well, only 3-6 months and we will know.
I got an email a week or so ago indicating a possible last name for Harriet as Dove... but can't put my hands on it now to save my soul.... so, I'm off to check out the Doves...
Have a good day.
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That was from a Marriage December Quarter 1887 Manchester...vol 8d and page 256 for a Harriet Dove and a William...but did we prove the children were born in Manchester, or just that they ended up there? I can't remember if we pinpointed their entries on the BMD? J.J.
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Might want to pick up this cert as interesting date !!!!
Births December Q. 1898
Harriet Layfield
Manchester
vol. 8d p.263
Deaths March Q. 1899
Harriet Layfield age 0
Manchester
vol 8d p. 224
and then the one death I found earlier on....
Deaths Sept. Q. 1899
William Layfield age 45
Manchester
vol. 8d p.270
so she may have been ill as well, as suggested....
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1891 census anyone for William Leyfield born c1854 / Harriet Layfield born c1863 yorks? I can see both names in Lancs but don't have access to know if they are together...and that's where Wm. was born in 1891-95
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what would you know - 2 couples called William & Harriet Layfield ::)
1891 11 Bratt St, Manchester RG12/3249 folio 82 pg 35
William Layfield head mar 36 gas labourer b. Yorks
Harriet wife 27 b. Yorks
Robert Dove son 5 b. Yorks
Loftus Layfield son 2 b. Manchester
Mary dau 5 months b. Manchester
so that family accounts for the Layfield/Dove marriage previously mentioned and possibly the death of William aged 45 in 1899. BUT, they're on the 1901 as well
1901 242 Collyhurst(?) Rd, Manchester RG13/3756 folio 20 pg 31
Harriet Layfield head widow 38 cork cutter b. Yorks, Leeds
Loftus son 12 b. Manchester
Mary dau 10 b. Manchester
Elizabeth dau 5 b. Manchester
Robert Gilbield lodger 38 labourer b. Manchester
So this Harriet was born Leeds, the one in Chorlton workhouse was born Ripon.
There's another couple in 1891
5 Warren St, Liverpool RG12/2913 foliio 128 pg 16
William Layfield head mar 45 drayman b. Yorkshire
Harriet wife 30 b. Yorkshire
Allen son 12 b. Liverpool (transcribed as Alice!)
birth reg
Allan Hodgson Layfield dec qtr 1878 W Derby vol 8b pg 292
and marriage
William Layfield march qtr 1878 Liverpool vol 8b pg 122 with Harriet Preston C Hodgson on the same page
Possible births
William Layfield march qtr 1892 Liverpool vol 8b pg 103
and already given by Willow
Walter Layfield dec qtr 1898 Chorlton vol 8c pg 753
Haven't seen a death for William as yet, but as he's a drayman, might have been out of the area and had an accident. Can't see the couple in 1881 either, but will have another look.
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Places of birth from 1881 no help at all
18 Kent Tce, Liverpool RG11/3616 vol 94 pg 44
Edward Davies head mar 32 carter b. Shrewsbury
Jane wife 37
Mary dau 2
Wm Layfield visitor mar 40 carter
Harriet wife 23
Allan son 2
all born Liverpool except where stated.
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Hmmm... things are heating up here... You guys have been busy.
I also found a birth for a Harriett Dove in www.RootsUK.com in the 1871 census... born 1863--a studentl... location Burnt Yates Yorkshire. Was the only Harriet Dove even remotely close to my Harriet's b.d. Couldn't see anything further. Does anyone have access to the RootsUK site?
Well, I'm putting my money on William the Drayman---That son Allan very likely is gone from the home by 1901. Collective memories in my dad's family only come up with a *potential* sister who died young from the fall from a rocking horse.. a brother who may be already gone doesn't remain long in the memory of a 9-yr old.
So that Harriet born Dec. 1898 does sound interesting--perhaps that's the sister--who would only be about 2 or 3 if she went to the home as well with the boys. (I did ask the Archivist about the possibility of a Leighfield girl in the home at the same time).
The same William the Drayman and Harriet are the visitors to the Davies home in the 1881 census.
Thanks J.J., Osprey for all this.... A reply from the registry in Manchester this week could be interesting... Thanks
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Sorry, osprey to send you on a wild goose chase...
So the surname Dove is out, then...as they were found on the 1901 as well... so we are probably not even looking for a William either then.
I did a search of Harriets born Ripon from 1863 to 1865 and put those names with layfield surname phonetic search on., looking for marriages...
Argh...I just looked now and the phonetic shmonetic search didn't even look for Leighfield... ::) <<<<UGH>>>someone has a weird idea as to what phonetic means
So were there Harriet Layfields born 1863+- Ripon then, in 1891?
and sorry, gemmee, that little Harriet died within a few months...and may have belonged to the other family found on the 1891...
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No need to apologise, JJ, it wasn't a wild goose chase, just eliminating possbilities. ;)
I wondered whether the William & Harriet in Liverpool were the right family, but couldn't find another entry for Harriet giving anything more specific than Yorkshire as a place of birth. It would be an odd family though, one son born 1879 and the next December 1891. Haven't spotted Harriet Hodgson earlier either, but she seems to age well - 23 in 1881 and 38 in 1901. There is a possbile registration
Harriet Hodgson sept qtr 1858 Ripon vol 9a pg 78
but that might be a coincidence.
I agree with you about the phonetic search, it doesn't seem to be dependable. Layfield seems to be the northern spelling, while southern counties go for Leighfield.
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Sorry, I don't know Yorkshire well enough and missed this entry
1861 Laverton, RG9/3198 folio 41 pg 5 (Ripon would be registration district)
Daniel Hodgson head mar 38 farmer of 158 acres b. Dallowgill
Isabella wife 34 b. Yorkenthwaite Long? dale
Leonard son 9 scholar
Daniel son 7 scholar
Robert William son 5
Arthur Preston son 4
Harriet Preston Calvert dau 2
+ ag labs & servants
all children born Dallowgill
this looks a bit of a comedown
1871 Lord Derby Yard (immediately after Collyhurst Rd!), Manchester RG10/4054 folio 10 pg 13
Daniel Hodgson head mar 46 watchman b.Yorks, Kirkby Malzeard
Isabella wife 44 b. Yorkenthwaite Lancastrothdale(?)
Leonard son 18 butcher
Harriet dau 12 scholar
Kate dau 6 scholar
all children b. Kirkby Malzeard
modified to correct year for the census
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Well, well, look where they are in 1891 :D
1 Leaf St, Chorlton upon Medlock RG12/3189 folio 61 pg 52
Daniel Hodgson head mar 68 dairyman b. Kirkby Malzeard
Isabella wife 62 b. Yorks, Craven
death registrations
Isabella Hodgson 64 dec qtr 1891 Chorlton vol 8c pg 593
Daniel Hodgson 72 march qtr 1896 Chorlton vol 8c pg 547
Wonder whether Harriet moved to Chorlton to look after her elderly father?
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Just found another interesting tidbit--- was biding my time with William's wife Ethel's family (Bauder, Ontario,Canada) while I waited a reply from Manchester....
Came across a reference to a marriage in One World Tree of William Allen Layfield and Ethel Bauder (no place or date for marriage) but it cited him as being born in Egham (parish) Surrey, England.... I have a picture of his gravesite, and on the back it says "Parish of St. Jude's in Background; Englefield Green" isn't that in/near Egham Surrey?
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Sounds like pretty good sleuthing, Osprey, wish we could find some proof
I can't remember what the boy's had thought their sister's name may have been who died young....
Death Dec.Q. 1897 Mary Layfield age: 3 Chorlton vol. 8c page 518
Death Dec. Q. 1900 Annie Layfield age: 3 Chorlton vol. 8c page 453
William's war signup said he was born Manchester, Walter's said born Lancs...
Births December Q. 1898 Walter Layfield Chorlton vol. 8c page 753
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I'm confused Osprey.... RE: those Hodgson residences/deaths in Chorlton... were they in the workhouse or living in the community?
And, J.J. I think Annie might be a possibility for the sister... William would actually have had to have been old enough to actually remember he had a sister--- and in 1900, he would have been about 9. We've never had a name for that sister. Once I get the info from Manchester..... will have to get to orering the official documentation..
I don't think that's the right Walter... Walter William was born in July, not Dec.
Thanks again to you both.... Let's all keep our fingers crossed for some info from Manchester.
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The Hodgsons were living in the community, the deaths might have been in the workhouse - the Chorlton registration district covers a reasonable sized area in the south of Manchester.
To summarise:-
1901, you have Walter and William in the Cottage homes, part of Chorlton Union, put into the workhouse system by widowed mother Harriet. There is also a widowed Harriet b. Ripon in the Chorlton workhouse.
There are only 2 Walter Layfield births on FreeBmd between 1891 and 1901, one was born in Yorkshire and is with his grandparents in 1901, leaving the birth registered in Chorlton dec qtr 1898.
There is a registration for a William Layfield march qtr 1892 Liverpool vol 8b pg 103 - the correct quarter for someone born late December 1891 as you have 6 weeks to register a birth.
1891 census has a Layfield couple living in Liverpool, both born Yorkshire with a 12 year old son Allan, registered as Allan Hodgson Layfield in West Derby (Liverpool), and there is a marriage of William Layfield and Harriet Preston C Hodgson in Liverpool.
1858 there is a birth registered in Ripon area of a Harriet Hodgson, a little older than claimed in 1901, but workhouse ages aren't always accurate.
1861 sees Harriet Preston Calvert Hodgson with large family on farm in Laverton, Yorkshire, which would be covered by Ripon registration district
1871 sees Harriet with family in reduced circumstances in Manchester. I have found also in 1871 3 of her brothers living in Liverpool, 2 of them with families called Calvert headed by a cowman/dairyman. And in their census entries, they give Ripon as their place of birth.
1891 Harriet's parents are living in Chorlton upon Medlock. Isabella dies in 1891, possibly Harriet moves to Chorlton to look after her father. The family would have to be living in the area served by the Chorlton Union for them to be in the workhouse system there.
The problem I do have is with the boys' father's death. There is this death reg
William Layfield aged 44 dec qtr 1891 Liverpool vol 8b pg 107
which would mean that Walter had a different father or it's the wrong death. He was a drayman/carter so could have died in another area and if he wasn't known there, registered as unknown.
There are possible births & deaths for a sister also in Chorlton
Mary Layfield birth - sept qtr 1894 vol 8 c pg 746
death aged 3 dec qtr 1897 vol 8c pg 518
Annie Layfield birth sept qtr 1897 vol 8c pg 742
death aged 3 dec qtr 1900 vol 8c pg 453
Janet Layfield birth sept qtr 1891 vol 8c pg 696
death aged 1 dec qtr 1895 vol 8c pg 541
Once you get more info from Manchester, I'd say the birth certs for William & Walter should be first on the shopping list.
:)
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whooo... Osprey that just blew me away.... what a piece of work!! quite a story... now potentially add another father for Walter... Oh, I hope those replies from Manchester come quickly. My fingers are speechless right at the moment! Thank you, thank you :) gemmee
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Here is what was in my inbox this a.m. from Manchester:
"Gail: I have found in creed register M327/2/2/22 that Harriet Layfield (Church of England) was admitted from Hulme to Withington Workhouse on 13 Jun 1900 along with three children: William, 9, Walter, 4, and Annie, 2. The boys were discharged on 26 Jun 1900 and Annie died on 20 Nov 1900. There is no indication of a discharge or death for Harriet. David"
Well, we now know that Annie is the mystery daughter.
So, Withington was a Chorlton Workhouse, right? Hmmmm... so if the boys were discharged two weeks later, and were found there again in 1901 in Chorlton Union, can you assume they transferred from one placement to another... or left and returned again?
:-\
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Well done, Osprey, so good of you to remove the maybes and get down to the meat...What it says on censuses changes all the time...Also birth dates as stated on censuses can't always be relied on either, gemmee., and I have no idea how that can happen but it does...plus there was 42 days grace within which to register a birth, so that would likely cover the time between...
Hat's off to you, Osprey! :D VERY good sleuthing....! J.J.
OOOOhHHH, just saw that last entry on the next page...so the entry for Walter looks to be the one, as the timeline that Ospey has put together is looking most plausible!
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Just looked again & the creed register from 1900...If Anne was born 1897, then Walter's birth can't be the one we found....so we need to find a missing registration for Walter, somewhere...must have been badly written and not transcribed...Looks as though Annie's & William's birth cert would be the correct ones, though..
or consider that the birth July 1896 for Walter was right on, but perhaps not registered?....J.J.
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Well, I received a reply from the registry in Manchester today... reads as follows:
"Hi, Well I have tried looking up the children's birth entries without any success. I have found the death of William Layfield whose widow has signed as H. Layfield which I presume is the correct entry.
Sorry we cannot help with any other queries. The cost of the death certificate if you require it is 7 pounds, but if you want to pay by credit/debit card you should call me on 0161 234 5504 at the cost of 8 pounds... "
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Hi Gail,
I've been away for a few days so I'm gonna have to read all the posts and get caught up to date, but I'm so happy that you are getting more information.
Any signs of the military papers yet??
Karen
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Re: late birth Registration: apparently there was a fine if you registered late...so some births were never registered, or dates were altered by parents who did not have the means to pay.... J.J.
( Hi, Karen, we missed you! see what Indi's find has opened up? Osprey has been very busy sleuthing! )
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The mention of Hulme rang a bell
1901 census, 37 Dorset St, Hulme, South Manchester RG13/3703 folio 113 pg 29
Robert W Hodgson head mar 45 scavenging inspector Manchester Corporation b. Yorkshire, Ripon
+ wife Maria & 7 children
This looks like older brother Robert from reply 68, possibly Harriet was staying with them before going into workhouse. She must have been left with no means to look after her children after death of her husband.
Be careful with the William death as there was another Harriet/William couple, the ones with the son called Loftus. That William's death was registered sept qtr 1899 in Manchester. As the man we think is your William was a carter, he could have died away from home.
Withington was part of the Chorlton Union. This site is really informative and has pictures of Chorlton and the Styal Cottage Homes in the locations bit
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/
The birth registration for Walter is starting to look a bit dodgy which is a pity, unless it was a very late registration, but the death registration for Annie looks correct.
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Was poking about in the IGI and thought I'd look for the marriage ( extracted file) not that it is of any great significance at this stage.... ;D J.J.
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp
WILLIAM LAYFIELD & HARRIET PRESTON CALVERT HODGSON
January 29 1878 Saint Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire
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Hey, J.J. GREAT--it's pretty significant to me!!! :) I'm making a list to send to the registry office for copies... I'm wondering when you order copies, are they copies of the original, or transcribed copies FROM the original. I'm assuming that the marriage certificate would contain dates of birth, parents names, and places of residence at the time, wouldn't they? Would just be good to have!
You gotta wonder what happened between the birth of their first child and the birth of William 12 yeas later---I mean, what did they use for birth control back then??? Then again, maybe there were miscarriages and stillborn babies....
Oh, the mysteries of life! Thanks for passing that along... gail
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That's actually what I was going to look for...but it was late...Here's what I found today, though...Looks as though this may be two of them, & they don't fit in with the other family...( H, is likely for Hodgens, as well...& Isabella after her mother) ;D
Kate Ann Layfield
B. April 5 1884
Chr. Oct.15 1884 St Peter'S, Church, Lancashire, England
Isabella Layfield
B. Sept 10 1887 Chr. Nov. 7 1887
St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire
to Parents William & Harriet Layfield
Births June Q. 1884
Kate Ann Layfield Liverpool vol 8b pge130
Births Dec. Q 1887
Isabella Layfield Liverpool vol 8b page 103
Deaths December Q 1886
Kate Ann H Layfield age 2 Liverpool vol 8b page100
Deaths March Q 1888
Isabella Layfield age 0 Liverpool vol 8b pge 120
Oh, and the copies are of the original certificates....You'll be very excited getting the very first one, then...it is a little piece of history and part of your puzzle right in your hands... ;D or am I the only goofball who thinks seeing this image is the neatest thing ever...
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Even though there is a large date range between the 1881 and the 1891, I have found only 2 possibilities for the father's birth so far...
and I'm betting on the second..due to the choice of Allen as first born and middle name for Wm... It also matches closer to the liverpool death age 44 in 1891 ;D
IGI listing for WILLIAM LAYFIELD
Chr. Sept 6 1840 Kirkby Fleetham, Yorkshire,
Parents: WILLIAM LAYFIELD & MARY
BMD Births Sept.Q 1840
William Layfield Bedale vol.24 pge.339
Births Dec Q. 1846
William Layfield Otley vol.23 pge.412
IGI listing for WILLIAM LAYFIELD
Chr. Dec. 13 1846 Denton, Yorkshire
Parents ALLEN LAYFIELD & HARRIOT
Plus Anne Margaret, sister to the Allan above, dies in Liverpool
Births June Q 1845
Ann Margaret Layfield Otley vol. 23 page 524
Deaths Dec. Q 1870
Ann Margaret Layfield age 25 Liverpool vol. 8b page 222
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Don't put these in your files or anything...all just maybes...
This is district in which son allan was born
Deaths Dec 1896
Allan Layfield age 66 W. Derby 8b 314
Oh, my head... :P
BMD Marriage Dec. Q. 1842
Harriet CALVERT / Allan LAYFIELD Skipton vol. 23 pge. 545
and I know it's not the same as your Harriet...but these names seems to
be used earlier with the Layfields...
BMD Deaths Dec. Q 1882
Harriet Preston LAYFIELD 57 Liverpool vol. 8b page 99
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oh, my head is right J.J. ?!? :P
I wonder does England have the same naming tradition as Scotland and Ireland---that's the only thing I can think which would perpetuate all these same names!
Well, Kate and Isabella pretty much explain the gap between 1879 and 1891. Thanks for that.
And, no you're not the only goofball... I never cease to be amazed how some of the smallest details get my motor running!!! It's like living in a time machine that takes you back to a time when those that were living then couldn't possibly imagine what they will have created for 100 years later.... I can't wait.... g.
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But those were PRIOR to the marriage.. and on the Layfield side...There were several Layfield families in Ripon as well...so there may even be some shared ancestry. ;D Which wasn't a big deal back then...(as Karen & I can attest to with looking into the forming of Canadian Settlements.)
J.J.
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Just reread and I saw the whole question ::) I'm a quick reader...slow thinker.... ;D
Here's a list of what MAY be on the certs...
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/Certificates.html
But just because there is a space for an answer won't mean it will be helpful depends what is answered...
My husband's grandfather (on his marriage cert)...answered "DEAD" for father :P... Wasn't that such a big help?.... ::) :) J.J.
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Hi J.J. and gemmee
Wow, you guys have been busy.......and found such a lot of great stuff.....well done.
I got your note gemmee and thank you so much for that pat on the back...I needed that ;D
Mr Indi and I have been away for a few days to the beach. They have stopped Mr Indi's chemo because it isn't working......Bummer....so we decided to loaf off and drink beer and eat lobster!
Reading back through all the wonderful research here reminds me of when I stumbled across my own British Home Children and it has inspired me to post some messages in the hope that a relative of those wonderful children will recognize the name and know that I am out here...waving!...LOL
Kindest Regards to you both
Love
Indi
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That reminds me, Indi!
I don't think I have them listed, as I tried to find some rootschat entries
for your Aldridges... Can you give me links to the postings you've made?
I think the search is loaded up more than it used to be, as I don't always
find what Iim searching, like I did when the site was less busy....
Hugs for Mr. Indi...from us!
Here's the link again to the Home children Sub board in Canada Resources
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,148045.0.html
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Well, the day has come.... my package was received from Barnardo's. I have to admit to being somewhat disappointed, but after all that you folks have already turned up, REALLY, what was left?? Their letter basically confirmed William's birthdate (but only a year for Walter); gave an admission date to the MacPherson Homes of March 1907--just 3 weeks prior to their being shipped off to Canada--which would explain the lack of information--they were only there for 3 weeks! It included a sheet of information on the follow up visits made to him in Canada over the next 4 years ---several in 1907 and then once a year until 1911. BUT, they included pictures of BOTH William and Walter, so that was really nice to receive both of those. With reference to their mother, Harriet--it just said whereabouts unknown. So the boys were in Chorlton until early 1907--so I'm expecting there must be a file *somewhere* with additional information for their 6 years there... I've read somewhere where the LMA in London has files--so I guess I'll try to find that reference and see if there's anything else to be had.
I've spent the past several weeks, putting together all the information on William and Harriet's parents and grandparents.... have discovered a Hodgson relative (a grandson of Harriet's brother I think he turned out to be), so I have been able to pass along some of the information you turned up for me along to him---gave me a great deal of satisfaction to be able to do that. And for that, I thank you. Have ordered several marriage/death certificates... so the search continues.... I have learned a lot from you---not only about my grandfather, but also where and how to look to continue the search..... Tks all..... gail
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Oh, photos...how wonderful :) *Was it of them as wee ones? teens?
That was the bonus right there... ;D J.J.
HINT* can we see them? ;)
( hmmmmmmmmmmm....I think this was the first time I ever worked on a posting in the common room....) ;D
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Congrats, you have done really well getting Photo's , i was not so lucky. Are the photos of the boys in the home as young boys or older? Would it be possible for you to share them with us? I would love to see them. I know it doesn't look much what you get from Barnardos but when you started you had an empty book so to speak . Now as you have gone on you have filled many pages and Barnardos might not be much but you are filling out the book. Hope you have more success and please let us all know if you do.
Migky ;)
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I agree, with what I had found out the past couple of months, I had to wonder what was left to tell, really. I tried to send the photos but got an error message saying the file was too large. Will have to revisit the file and see what I can do-- am struggling with a new computer, Windows Vista and a new printer/scanner all at the same time. Will try again later. g.
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I've just read through the whole topic and it's amazing what the people on here can do ;D
I think the mass of information just jumbled around in my head so can I ask, did you find out where Allen went? I know there was a possible death reg, did he marry?
Hope you sort out the scanner etc for the photos ;D
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OK. will try this again.... Thanks Migky for the lesson on resizing.... I'm beginning to think there isn't anything you guys can't do.
If this works as I'm hoping, the picture on the left is William Allen Layfield, and on the right is Walter William Layfield. Underneath is a picture of Marchmont Home which they also sent me... this is the home where the boys were received in Canada. If the pictures were taken when the boys entered the Annie MacPherson Home, then I would date the photo, March 1907.
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Hmmm.... came out a bit large... definitely no need for the bifocals on this one...
Welcome, Madpants.... you're right these gals are amazing. And, in reply to your question, I'm still working on Allen Hodgson Layfield... Haven't paid him much attention the past few days.
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Oh Gemmee....
The pix are wonderful........what a treasure to have.
Do you mind if I copy the pic of the Marchmont Home.....I have some contacts in Canada who are working on British Home Children who might like a copy of the pic..
I remember when I found those lovely boys of yours on the census...I was so excited I could hardly type.......
Oh.....family history is such a wonderful hobby.
Cheers
Indi
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Indi...Feel free to use the picture....not a problem. It's not mine to keep to myself anyhow... it was given to me.... if you find the quality is diminished as a result of taking it from the website, let me know, and I will scan it separately and send it to you directly.
You're right, family history is a wonderful hobby....I've become obsessed--working on it some nights until 3-4:00 a.m. I've learned a lot along the way from you gals!
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Your photo's took my breath away Gemmee ! how wonderful for you !! :)
Indi's right ... a treasure indeed !!
It's funny we all get so wrapped up in other people's stories - we feel like they are part of our families too !
What a wonderful outcome !!
Annie :) :)
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Thanks, Annie... A great outcome.... we learn a lot from the past.... knowing my grandfather's past gave me a lot of insight into circumstances of his later years. It was quite a ride....I'm hoping I do it justice when I do up the report for the family. Only one of William Allen's children is still alive, and I'm working hard to ensure he knows his father's life while he is still alive.
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Thanks so much for putting up the photos...I just wanted to give them a
hug...The home had an appealing exterior...I hope some of the people
who worked there had big hearts...
What a great group we have in here...always willing to lend a hand and
help others. I am so pleased to be a part of it as well...Thanks all...
Hugs to all...J.J.
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Hi I have just found this site and have been reading about William Allen Layfield who was my father , my name is Sylvia I have two sisters Joan & Wendy my brothers were all living in Canada please contact me
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Oh my goodness SSW - Sylvia ! .... how wonderful ! welcome to RootsChat !
I just wanted to say I'm so glad !! ....... gemmee will be thrilled !
Annie ;D
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Hi Syliva,
How wonderful that you have found Gail's posting, I'm sure she will be thrilled once she receives notification of the message.
Karen
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I'm a bit overwhelmed at the moment but cannot wait to talk to others
Sylvia
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Hi Sylvia.........so nice to meet you.
Wow, I'm sure that Gemmee will be thrilled when she sees your message.
I think we all became very close to the 2 boys while we were searching for them....and we were all thrilled with the photos.
Welcome.........!!!!!!!
Indi.........proud cousin of 7 British Home Children
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No doubt you are Syliva, I believe it's 7 in the evening :-\ where Gail is so she may come on soon.
Karen
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It appears I've got family and friends that I have to get to know.
Sylvia
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I'd love to be a fly on the wall - when you guys get together !! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Oh Gail is going to be tickled pink!!
Syliva, did you know that your father had been sent to Canada as a child?
Karen
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Fascinating reading guys and well done!
Best of luck Gail and Sylvia. I'm sure you will have lots to talk about.
cheers,
Magoo
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Sylvia, Welcome to rootschat! :D How wonderful to hear from you!
Gail ! A contact already? How lucky are we to have this World Wide Web ?? Oh...little happy tear in my eye again... :) J.J.
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Attempted to attach a picture so you could all see who you were talking to, but the file was to big, shall have to find a smaller one.
It will be nice when I get to know who I'm talking to, this is all new to me and everyone is being so welcoming.
I must sound like I'm babbling but it seems so much to take in, so sorry for that, please bear with me.
Sylvia
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Gail's on line now :).......
Karen
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Oh, MY GOD....... Does it get any better than this!!! I'm just so high right now, that there will be NO sleeping for me tonight!!! My mind is racing.... I got an email from CousinConnect where I left a message the night before last-- and lo and behold, there was Sylvia!!! I just got through replying to the message, and my first thought was to sign in and let all you guys know what had happened----and YOU ALREADY KNEW!!!
I saw a notice somewhere where they were doing a documentary on BHC's and people's quest to find about their relatives--- they were looking for people to tell their story--- I'm feeling right now like I should contact them!!!
This is just too amazing. Tooooo amazing!!! :o :o :o
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You should Gail....I think the documentary person put a link in the Canada resource board!!
I'm so happy for you Gail and Syliva :)
Karen
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YOU won't sleep ... what about us ? .... I'm having palpitations here !!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
You two enjoy each other !!
Annie :)
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Congrats to you both, what a great read this has been.
Love happy endings :'(
Margaret
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Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh.................bless.
I love a happy ending.
Enjoy your new found families.
xxxxx
Indi ;D ;D
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Oh, forget it! I'm on to the blubbering now! ;D ::)
Sylvia..
I'm Jeany from Winnipeg, Manitoba...(central Canada...) :D Pleased to meet you! Yeah, I guess we are all pretty attached to our BHC threads...a lot of them are long like this one, too ;D
8)...;D J.J.
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Attempted to attach a picture so you could all see who you were talking to, but the file was to big, shall have to find a smaller one.
It will be nice when I get to know who I'm talking to, this is all new to me and everyone is being so welcoming.
I must sound like I'm babbling but it seems so much to take in, so sorry for that, please bear with me.
Sylvia
Might help with your picture resize.
Hi there, to make pictures smaller this is what you do. First bring up picture, and then right click on it. It comes up with a list of things you can click on. They are as follows.
Preview
Edit
Print
Refresh thumbnail
Now click on edit. It now opens a new window for you. Paint shop I think it’s called.
On the top line it has a list of things you can do. From left to right they are.
File, Edit, View, Image, Colors, Help
Click on Image, which will give you a drop down menu of
Flip/rotate
Stretch/skew
Invert/colors
Attributes
Clean image
Draw opaque
Now click onstretch/skew. You will see a box with
Horizontal on it ,it will have a number 100 in it click on it and make it 50.
Just below this there is a box with vertical on it and a number 100 on it click on it and make it 50.
Then click, OK button. This will shut that bit and reopen paint window. Now click on close of paint shop. It will ask you if you want to . change, click yes ok.
This should have now made your picture 50% smaller , so should be able to send it ,if it is still to big do all this again ok and it will come out 50% smaller again . ok I think you will get the hang of it now .You know if you have made it small enough because it will go on page. After you get the hang of it, play about with the numbers you change it by then so you can get as big a picture as possible. Ok
Right last few things now. First of all, print this out so you can read this as you go a long ok. Second and last, just before you save picture, change original pictures file name. so you have one new picture and one original size . good luck and let me know how you get on.
migky ;)
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Images removed as it may infringe copy rights
MIGKY ;)
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Hmmm... what a shame---turning that beautiful old building into a vinyl clad monstrosity
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Hi its Sylvia
Just wanted to say thank you for all your messages last night, and for all your hard work. I was so overwhelmed last night it was hard to take it all in, but anyway a very big thank you to you, and just to let you know I received an email from Gail and have sent a reply I cannot wait to hear about the family in Canada
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You're welcome Sylvia ! :) ....... we did all kind of descend on you - didn't we ?? :)
We were just all so thrilled you made a connection !!
Please stay around - this is a terrific site - everybody pitches in and all knowledge (or lack of it - whichever the case maybe ! ) is freely given !!
Maybe we can get you to be obsessed too !
Have a wonderful day !
Annie :)
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Have e-mailed Gail regards dads passport, which I've attached, I'm afraid it confuses his DOB
Sylvia
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Sorry pic didn't go
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Hi Sylvia,
I don't think that having a different date of birth is all that odd. Most British Home Children didn't know there real DOB and either used what they were told by Barnardos etc....or made a date up.
I know that some of my BHCs did not know their real birth date....and in one case did not know his correct name.....so it would appear that they had never seen their birth certificate.
Mismatched dates are pat of the fun of family history!
Kind Regards
Indi
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Hi
I am married to Chuck and Joan's daughter just found this and had to join
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Hi
I am married to Jaycee Layfield daughter of Harold and Joan Zasada (aka Chuck ) My wife is William's grandaughter. Jaycee has an old hymn book of William's with his name and address from when he lived in Surrey UK she would be really excited to find more family