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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: Kazzaqld on Saturday 14 July 07 08:02 BST (UK)
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Hi all,
I realised today I have never posted about my Canadian family in this forum so I thought I'd cast the net out there and see who might recognise them - you never know!
My great-great-grandparents Edward John WAGNER and Charlotte Alice nee FITCH emigrated to Canada in 1910 and 1911 respectively (great-great-grandma waited for the birth of her first granddaughter who later became my Grandma!).
They left my Great-grandma in England but took their sons, Ernest Ivor Charles (known as Ivor) and Stanley Vincent (known as Vincent) with them. One son Lawrence was in the British Army, and one Albert, had already emigrated to Canada.
Here's some of what I know of them - hopefully enough to get a bell ringing somewhere - we live in hope!
Husband: Edward John WAGNER
Born: Jun qtr 1864 - London St Pancras Middlesex England
Died: July 1940 - Saulte Ste Marie, Ontario, Canada
Buried: 22 July 1940 - Old Greenwood Cemetery, Saulte Ste Marie,
Ontario, Canada
Father: Edward WAGNER (1836-Aft 1901)
Mother: Ann PEARCE (1846-Aft 1901)
Marriage: 20 June 1886 Place: Westminster, London,
Middlesex, England
Wife: Charlotte Alice FITCH
Born: 15 July 1870 - Shoreditch, London, Middlesex, England
Baptised:
Died: 17 December 1953 - Owen Sound, Ontario, Canada
Buried: 19 December 1953 - Old Greenwood Cemetery, Saulte Ste Marie,
Ontario, Canada
Father: Charles William Harriman FITCH (1846-1903)
Mother: Sarah LOVELL (1842-Aft 1901)
Children
1 M Albert Edward (Bert) "Bingo" WAGNER
Born: 1886 - St Pancras, London, Middlesex, England
Died: 4 September 1940 - Saulte Ste Marie, Ontario, Canada
Buried: - Saulte Ste Marie, Ontario, Canada
Spouse: Annie SMITH (Abt 1873-1961)
Marr. Date: 10 November 1910 - Steelton, Algoma, Ontaria, Canada
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2 F Theresa Alice (Lala) WAGNER
Born: 24 September 1888 - Wandsworth, West Battersea, Surrey, England
Died: 4 August 1984 - Harrogate, W Yorkshire, England
Spouse: Bernard Pearson HUSBANDS (1885-1969)
Marr. Date: 26 July 1909 - Ecclesall Bierlow, W Yorkshire, England
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3 M Lawrence Bramleigh WAGNER
Born: Sep qtr 1893 - Wandsworth, West Battersea, Surrey, England
Died: 28 April 1917 - Gavrelle Windmill, France
Buried: - Pas de Calais, Arras, France
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4 M Ernest Ivor Charles WAGNER
Born: 4 November 1900 - Wandsworth, West Battersea, Surrey, England
Died: 15 September 1979 - Holland Centre, Ontario, Canada
Buried: 19 September 1979
Spouse: Evelyn TAYLOR (1900-1967)
Marr. Date: 4 June 1924 - Saulte Ste Marie, Ontario, Canada
Spouse: Beatrice Emma MELBYE (1912-1996)
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5 M Stanley Vincent WAGNER
Born: 16 March 1906 - Sheffield, West Yorkshire, England
Died: Abt 1949 Canada
Spouse: Catherine Bell (Katie) TONNER (1909-1981)
Marr. Date: 19 October 1927 - Saulte Ste Marie, Ontario, Canada
Spouse: Frances ? ( - )
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Hi Kazz,
Here are a few in the 1911 Census:
40 Huron, Steelton, Algoma West, Ontario
District 55, Ward 1, Sub-district 17, Page 24
Albert E Wagner, M, Head, M, Oct 1883, 27, England, 1907, Tailor
Annie Wagner, F, Wife, M, Oct 1872, 38, Ontario
Edward J Wagner, M, Father, M, June 1863, 47, England, 1911, Tailor
Ivor Wagner, M, Lodger, S, Nov 1900, 10, England, 1911
Looks like Albert arrived in 1907 and Edward and son Ivor in 1911. Charlotte and the other children must have arrived after the census which was dated June 1, 1911.
Hope that helps,
Nancy
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Thank you Nancy,
I did know that some were on the 1911 census and some not! My grandma was born 8 May 1911 in Sheffield, Yorkshire, so I knew that her grandmother was still in England at that time.
But there were a few details there I hadn't noted down - have done so now! :)
I appreciate your interest!
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This may be Ivor ... fibbiing about his age and who his mother was, I think, to get enlisted...WW1
http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc017/651564a.gif
http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc017/651564b.gif
birth date is also correct, so I'd say this was he,.. J.J.
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JJ
Yes this is him - Charlotte often went by Alice (her 2nd name) :)
Naughty boy for fibbing! ::)
Thanks for that - much appreciated!
Cheers
Karen!
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Kazzaqid,
Emma Melbye's front window faced the parachutes in Riverview, always a favorite place of mine on Oakley ave, after climbing all those stairs as a child
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welcome to rootschat GusJr.
Karen I can see your Lawrence Bramleigh on the CWGC, but he has not been listed at the The Canadian Virtual War Memorial, ( You'll have to see that he gets his name on there) nor can I find his signups...
http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=778518
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Hi JJ,
He was a career soldier in the British Royal Marines - he joined as a lad of 15 before his parents emigrated to Canada, so that's why he's not listed as part of a Canadian force.
Thank you for looking though!
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Kazzaqid,
Emma Melbye's front window faced the parachutes in Riverview, always a favorite place of mine on Oakley ave, after climbing all those stairs as a child
Hi Gus,
I knew her as Auntie Bea - I did meet her once but I was only about 5 or 6 at the time.
She seemed like a really nice lady.
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Probably your site, but posting anyway as it has some details for
Ernest Ivor Charles WAGNER
http://members.lycos.nl/familieknechtel/pafn233.htm
He was a career soldier in the British Royal Marines
I think I had seen that was the case the first read through, but had missed it today...That's me for you... ;D J.J.
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Hello Kazzaqld,
I have just read your post of your Canadian family while researching Lawrence Bramliegh Wagner. My interest is Sarah Lovell mother of your GGgrandmother and daughter to my GGgrandfather. If you are interested there is a record of Lawrence service in Find my Past, and I have a couple of photos of him.
Regards
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Hi Norman,
Nice to hear from you again. We have been in contact through GenesReunited before.
I don't think I have too much new since we last emailed but I'll see what I can find!
Cheers
Karen.
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Hi Kazzaqld, I was born a Wagner. My grandfather was Vincent Wagner of Sault Ste. Marie Ontario. His mother was Alice Fitch married to John Edward Wagner. Vincent was married to Katherine Tonner of the Sault. Katherine had only one son Lawrence Stanley Wagner {my father}. I am the eldest of three siblings born to Lawrence and my mother Patricia McDonald. They separated in about 1951 and eventually divorced. Anyhow it would be nice to chat at some point. This is the first of my three posts so I can contact you directly. My brothers are Dennis and Larry (deceased). Will write more later.
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Trying to get my three posts in. My father remarried and had 7 children with his second wife. Prolific bugger eh?
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3rd Post. My cousin, the ingenious geneologist sent the link to this thread from you, so no doubt you may get more information from the other family members and I will not give it all away. Please contact.
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Hi Marygold,
Delighted to make contact - I am travelling at the moment so don't have a lot of time right now but will send what I can!
I'll send you a PM with my email address.
Cheers
cousin Karen.
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I may be a good idea to go to
Soldiers of the first world war.
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-100.01-e.php
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A child mentioned here for Ernest Ivor Charles WAGNER & Evelyn Alice TAYLOR
Elaine Kathleen WAGNER http://familyknechtel.tripod.com/pafg242.htm
( also a child is mentioned for Elaine as well, surname Wagner)
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Hello, I both have and am looking for any and all information that I can get my hands on about my family tree, which includes the Wagners mentioned here. My maternal grandfather is Lawrence Stanley Wagner, his uncle was Lawrence Bramleigh Wagner, and I have lots of information going up the Wagner side of things. I've found myself in Sault Ste. Marie for school, and discovered that my family had quite a bit of history here. I can send some info I have that my half-uncle (son of Lawrence Stanley) put together for his niece (?).
I would greatly appreciate any info, records, photos, documentation, etc you may have about anything related to the wagners. :)
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HI Spacebat,
Delighted to make contact - I have lots of pictures and family information to share!
I'll send you a PM with my email address.
Cheers
cousin Karen.
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Hello Spacebat and Kazzaqld. And wecome to RootChat, Spacebat.
Spacebat, you need to make 3 posts before you can access the Private Message (PM) system here on RootsChat. This can be as simple as just saying "Hi" 2more times on this thread. Then you will be able to communicate with Kazzaqld off the public board to exchange email addresses.
PB
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Hello Spacebat and Kazzaqld. And wecome to RootChat, Spacebat.
..you need to make 3 posts before you can access the Private Message (PM) system
PB
Thank you! Gad, I thought I was going crazy.
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I assume that the Vincent Wagner mentioned was Stanley Vincent Wagner. His wife was not Katherine, she was Catherine Bell Hutchison 1909-1981. Catherine was a daughter of Andrew Robb Tonner 1886-1967 and Margaret ( Maggie ) Hutchison 1887-1949.
Maggie was an elder sister of my granny Catherine ( you are in Scotland now )
The Bell in Catherine's name runs through the large Hutchison family ( like covid ). It comes from her grandfather Duncan Bell who was killed in an explosion in a mine in Wishaw in 1849, leaving his wife Mary ( Nicol ) 1818-1900 a pauper with 4 young daughters and a boy on the way whom she named Duncan after his dead father.
Incidentally, Mary remarried, and, after her second husband died, followed her sons by emigrating herself to US. She died in La Salle Illinois.