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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Renfrewshire => Topic started by: pettsy on Sunday 15 July 07 12:49 BST (UK)
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Can anyone help me please.
I am trying to find the MI's for James Munn & Janet Slater, sometimes spelt Sclater.
I do not know when they died, but they were married in Paisley Abbey 2/6/1787
Their children were.
Armstrong Munn b.1789
James Munn b.1791
John Munn b.1794
Janet Lockhart Munn b.1797 died inf
Walter Munn b.1799 died inf
Janet Munn b.1801
William Lang Munn b.1804
Walter Munn b.1805 marr Agnes Young in 3/8/1825 Renfrew.
Thank you.
Pettsy
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There is a two volume set of MIs for Renfrewshire published in 1992.
These books are still in print.
Your local FHS or Library or LDS Family History Centre may have them on the shelf or be able to borrow them for you.
Unfortunately, many of the stones that were readable back then are now lost, broken or illegible.
The Renfrewshire FHS has a project to index the burial registers from the Old Parish Regiters of the Church of Scotland. They may be able to help.
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Hi Murray 61
Thank you.
I will have a look and see if they have the books in Clydebank Library next week.
Pettsy
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Pettsy,
The Mitchell Library in Glasgow has a very large collection of MI transcriptions.
Are you in the area? Otherwise, I'll take a look for you.
Justin
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Hi Justin,
I will be staying in Glasgow, but our first day I am being picked up in the morning to visit Clydebank where my great grandfather lived, then onto Glencoe.
The next day I am going straight to Edinburgh NAS, to copy some wills, army pay books and letters during WW1, then onto the Wallace Memorial, Stirling Castle and Falkirk wheel.
I hope to get back in time to visit the Mitchell :-\
But if not I would be very gratefull if you could take a look for me, only if you are in the area.
I really need another couple of days in Glasgow.
Thank you.
Pettsy
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Hello Pettsy,
Quite a hectic schedule! Are you travelling far to come here?
Anyway, I was in the ML yesterday and looked through the MI's for Paisley.
There were very few entries for Munn. The only possibility was:
James Munn, manufacturer, Paisley, 1839
The gravestone was in the Abbey Close cemetery (aka Henderson's Kirkyard). At the time, it was used by the United Secession church.
The Abbey parish was quite large. I'll widen the search.
Justin
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Hi Justin,
Mum and I are coming up from London.
I will meet up with my cousin for on the Thursday, as we don't drive :-[
Are the MI's on the same floor as the census?
And are they on Micro Film?
My James Munn was a Publican, he had a son called James, it could be him? Do you know how old he was?
Thank you for looking for me ;)
Regards
Pettsy
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Hello Pettsy,
I'd love to make it back down to London again, and visit all my family sites.
The MI's are books and they are on shelves adjacent to those holding the census records.
Unfortunately, James' age was not recorded on the stone. I'll check the early trade directories for any Munn entries.
Were all the Munns born in Paisley?
Justin
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Justin
I can't believe I said that!! :-[
I know they are books :-[ Whats wrong with me today ??? ???
If you ever need any help in London let me know.
School hol's is starting this week, but I can still manage to get out and do some research.
I want to go back to the William Wallace Memorial in London to take some photo's.
The Munn's were in Paisley and Old Kilpatrick.
I have a Publican, a hairdresser, grocer, and gardener.
Thanks for your help.
Pettsy
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Hello Pettsy,
Paisley trade directories list the following:
1838/39
Munn, Armstrong, manufacturer, 35 Storie Street
Munn, James, manufacturer, 6 Causeyside – house 13 George Street
1829/30
Munn, Armstrong, manufacturer, 45 Storie Street
Munn, James, manufacturer, 17 George Street
Can you tie this James into your family? I would assume that it is he who is buried in Abbey Close.
My ggggf was also a manufacturer in Causeyside at that time. Like him, these Munns (brothers??) were most likely shawl manufacturers, which meant that they placed orders with a various weavers, stored and sold the finished shawls.
The library in Paisley has directories from 1813. When I next go over, I take a look.
Justin
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Hi Justin,
I have just looked at my tree.
James Munn married Janet Slater (Sclater) 2nd June 1787 Paisley Abbey.
Their children were....
Armstrong bpt 1789 Paisley Abbey
James bpt 1791 Paisley High
John bpt 1794 Paisley Middle
Janet Lockhart bpt 1797 d. inf Paisley Middle
Walter bpt 1799 d.inf Paisley Middle
Janet bpt 1801 Paisley Middle
William Lang bpt 1804 Paisley Middle (a weaver)
Walter bpt 1805 Paisley Middle (my 4x great grandfather) weaver, grocer, hairdresser
I also found Walter and William in the Poor Relief.
Walter had 12 children born in Renfrew and Dumbarton. (Wife Agnes Young)
To make it even more confusing his daughter Janet Munn married Daniel Munn from OK in 1847, she was his second wife, his first wife was Catherine Bryson, she died in 1846.
Daniel was a merchant general grocer spirit dealer.His parents were Walter Munn b.1763, a Farmer and Margaret Cowan b.1775.
Thank you for all your help.
Do you think they would have head stones?
So they weaved shawls, how interesting.
What did they use to weave?
Regards
Pettsy
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hi pettsy do you know if william lang munn was married to a mary dykes and did they have a daughter named catherine. if so i've been looking for this thread for years catherine was my great grannie.
regards dolly
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Hi Dolly
I have sent you a PM.
Pettsy
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hi Pettsy
i have the MI books for Paisley. No Munns fraid but there is a John Slater - wife jean Barr and Heirs 1820 in the Abbey Churchyard
Ann
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Hi Ann
Could you give me the info on John Slater and family please.
Thank you.
Regards
Pettsy
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Hi Pettsy
The info came from renfrewshire MIs pre 1855 Vol2 by JF & S Mitchell/
All it says is No 236 John Slater, w Jean Barr & Heirs 1820
They abbey cemetery these days is no more and most of the stones have been placed flat in ground in grassy area outside the abbey itself tho in 1820 it would have looked very different.
Once they opened Woodside and Hawkhead - in west and east of town respectively burials stopped in Abbey.
Your ancestors like mine (I am a Paisley buddie!) would have been handloom weavers til the mills were built in mid 19th century. The handloom would have been in the cottage/house where they lived for the most part.
I think it unlikely unless they were reasonably wealthy they would have had headstones. Their death records if they still exist will be held by National Archives Scotland who have the mortcloth rental records - the only source pre 1855 of death records since death certs weren't required pre 1855. The mortcloth was black cloth they hired from church to place over coffin or body (cos some didn;t have coffin) for burial service.
Hope this helps
Ann
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Hi Ann,
Thank you for the info, yes my Munn's were Weaver's.
All I know about the Slater's were James Munn was a Publican.
Where I don't know ???
I have never heard of a Mortcloth before, how interesting.
I wish I had known about it as I was in Edinburgh in July (and Glasgow).
Thank you for the info.
Pettsy
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Hi Pettsy
You are very welcome. This site explains a bit about how funerals and mortcloths were used. Hope you find it useful
http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.com/~bldr/funerals.html
Ann
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Hi Pettsy
Pancho has posted this excellent link for more info re mortcloths
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,267590.0.html
Ann
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Hi Ann
Thank you.
I will take a look after the kids dinner ;)
Pettsy
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Hi
I think that we may be searching within the same family. My great-great-great-great grandparents were John Storie and Ann Munn, married in Paisley in 1787. Within the same family tree, I have (in the next generation down) James Foyers and Jean Sclater, married 1792 Paisley.
Fiona
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Can anyone help me please.
I am trying to find the MI's for James Munn & Janet Slater, sometimes spelt Sclater.
I do not know when they died, but they were married in Paisley Abbey 2/6/1787
Their children were.
Armstrong Munn b.1789
James Munn b.1791
John Munn b.1794
Janet Lockhart Munn b.1797 died inf
Walter Munn b.1799 died inf
Janet Munn b.1801
William Lang Munn b.1804
Walter Munn b.1805 marr Agnes Young in 3/8/1825 Renfrew.
Thank you.
Pettsy
hi there I know this is an old forum, but I was wondering how you went? My relative in that list is Armstrong :)
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Can anyone help me please.
I am trying to find the MI's for James Munn & Janet Slater, sometimes spelt Sclater.
I do not know when they died, but they were married in Paisley Abbey 2/6/1787
Their children were.
Armstrong Munn b.1789
James Munn b.1791
John Munn b.1794
Janet Lockhart Munn b.1797 died inf
Walter Munn b.1799 died inf
Janet Munn b.1801
William Lang Munn b.1804
Walter Munn b.1805 marr Agnes Young in 3/8/1825 Renfrew.
Thank you.
Pettsy
hi there I know this is an old forum, but I was wondering how you went? My relative in that list is Armstrong :)