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Title: 1881 Earl st., Longsight/Gorton
Post by: Yegvard on Monday 16 July 07 12:53 BST (UK)
Hi Folks,

I have the 1881 census for James CUNDIFFE, wife Lavina & family (RG 11/3906/78) Civil parish is Longsight Gorton, town Longsight, urban district Gorton, ecclesiastical parish St. Clement.  The address is 83 Earl Street.

Could someone please identify where this particular Earl Steet is on one of today's maps?

Thanks

Mike
Title: Re: 1881 Earl st., Longsight/Gorton
Post by: Jo New on Monday 16 July 07 13:07 BST (UK)
hi

if you multimap Earl st , it comes up as Denton manchester 34, but when u see the actual image it shows it nr Hyde Road area off Gorton, hopefully thats the right one

heres the actual link but if it doesnt open try multimap.com

http://www.multimap.com/maps/?t=r#t=r&map=53.46188,-2.15683|14|4&route=GB,-2.14652:53.45714;-2.17891:53.45851,0|earl%20st%20:gorton|Earl%20Street,%20DENTON%20(MANCHESTER),%20M34:Gorton,%20Manchester,%20M18%207

bw

Jo


Title: Re: 1881 Earl st., Longsight/Gorton
Post by: Yegvard on Monday 16 July 07 13:20 BST (UK)
Thanks Jo,

I found that one too, but was unsure it being the right one.  Further digging suggests you may be right.  James was an "operative brewer".  And I've just found a 1950 memory on the Internet that suggests that number 83 was The Star Pub.

The jig saw is coming together.   8)

Thanks again

Mike
Title: Re: 1881 Earl st., Longsight/Gorton
Post by: Yegvard on Monday 16 July 07 15:07 BST (UK)
Actually Folks the jigsaw as just fell on the floor.   :-[

Using the online 1881 and then going back through scores of households until I can find a street that is there today, Earl Street is close to Ducie Street which is near the top of Plymouth Grove.  Possibly one to two hundred yards down from the National Blood Service on the corner of Upper Brook Street and Plymouth Grove.

Thank you for trying

Mike
Title: Re: 1881 Earl st., Longsight/Gorton
Post by: Jo New on Monday 16 July 07 16:12 BST (UK)
Hi Mike

wouldnt that be Chorlton on medlock if its near plymouth grove ?

jo
Title: Re: 1881 Earl st., Longsight/Gorton
Post by: Yegvard on Monday 16 July 07 18:03 BST (UK)
Jo,

The short answer is yes!  Yet by doing "Previous Household" I came across James' son Frederick's future in-laws, the HIGGINBOTHAMs in Ducie Street and then a few streets later, Dryden Street, which if it's the right one, is still there.  Yet it's about 8 miles as the crow flies from the current Earl Street, just off  the A57 Manchester Road you found this morning.

Odd.

As I don't know the registrar's boundaries I will have to dig a bit deeper.

Mike
Title: Re: 1881 Earl st., Longsight/Gorton
Post by: manmack on Tuesday 17 July 07 11:03 BST (UK)
Hi Folks,

I have the 1881 census for James CUNDIFFE, wife Lavina & family (RG 11/3906/78) Civil parish is Longsight Gorton, town Longsight, urban district Gorton, ecclesiastical parish St. Clement.  The address is 83 Earl Street.

Could someone please identify where this particular Earl Steet is on one of today's maps?

Thanks

Mike
the earl st that you are looking for,comes under the voting district of ardwick,nowadays some folks call it west gorton,mack
Title: Re: 1881 Earl st., Longsight/Gorton
Post by: Mr. MIGKY on Thursday 26 July 07 15:27 BST (UK)

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Migky ;)
Title: Re: 1881 Earl st., Longsight/Gorton
Post by: Mr. MIGKY on Thursday 26 July 07 15:35 BST (UK)
It looks as if it were still a pub back in 1929 where this is taken from

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Migky ;)
Title: Re: 1881 Earl st., Longsight/Gorton
Post by: 0rinoco on Friday 27 July 07 08:11 BST (UK)
Many years ago, as a schoolboy, I had cause to visit a classmate in Earl Street, Longsight, and if my memory serves me right there was a railway viaduct at the rear of it. I remember having to go from Stockport Road via Grey Street to reach Earl Street. I lived in Tennyson Street, C-on-M at the time, and it was a fair old walk. :)
Title: Re: 1881 Earl st., Longsight/Gorton
Post by: Barbara.H on Friday 27 July 07 10:17 BST (UK)
How about this one?
Going across the 'N' of 'LONGSIGHT' .  Stockport Rd is the main road below it and you will find Kirkmanshulme Lane easily enough on a modern map.
Don't know how old the map is that I got this from but it cost 1/6!!  :)  1940s?  The railway yards are there, as Orinoco says.  It was seeing Lime Grove on Migkys extract that rang bells for me.
One day we will all bump heads, wandering along Stockport Rd looking at old maps.....
Title: Re: 1881 Earl st., Longsight/Gorton
Post by: Mr. MIGKY on Friday 27 July 07 10:49 BST (UK)
Hi Barbrah, was your map 1 shilling and 6 penny's or just 6d? the black and white one i have frome i think the 1960's was 1s/6d.

Here are some links for longsight and levenshulme

http://manchesterhistory.net/LONGSIGHT/homeopen.html

http://www3.telus.net/public/nixonkg/

Migky ;)
Title: Re: 1881 Earl st., Longsight/Gorton
Post by: Barbara.H on Friday 27 July 07 12:06 BST (UK)
It is one shilling and sixpence, Geographia Map of Central Manchester. Folds out into smallish sheet & has a street index so very useful.  Those links are brilliant for pictures, Ive seen the longsight one before but not the Levenshulme one.
Ooh Migky if you have a 1930s directory I'm about to post a request for Cheetham & Harpurhey! Shan't hijack this post but please look out for it? Thanks,
Barbara
Title: Re: 1881 Earl st., Longsight/Gorton
Post by: Yegvard on Friday 27 July 07 15:44 BST (UK)
Migky,

Thanks very much for the label & directory info.  Maybe that's where my gran got her liking for a glass of "Makeson's"?

Mike
Title: Re: 1881 Earl st., Longsight/Gorton
Post by: Yegvard on Friday 27 July 07 16:00 BST (UK)
Barbara,

Many thanks for the street map image.   Could I be cheeky and ask if Ducie Street is anywhere on the your map?  From info received I'm guessing that it's probably already gone by the date of your map.  I thought it was opposite Royd St., about where Dillon Street is.

Ta Mike
Title: Re: 1881 Earl st., Longsight/Gorton
Post by: Barbara.H on Friday 27 July 07 16:33 BST (UK)
No Ducie St on the map, but there was a Ducie Arms pub somewhere along there until about the late 1970s.

Ive just found Ducie St on an 1895 map in a book (my dear old 'Longsight Past & Present' that I have quoted before on rootschat!) I think Dillon St and Ducie St are the same, been renamed at some point.

Sometimes when this happened the council would put the two name plates up on the street. I may be imagining it but I can vaguely see 'Dillon St late Ducie St' in my minds eye. I would have seen this many times from the top of the 92 bus - if I'm not imagining it - can anyone confirm?

I'll try & reproduce the map if you like but will have to be in a couple of hours, I have to take my youngest to swimming lesson.

Thanks for PMs Migky, I'll be back in touch soon!

Barbara
Title: Re: 1881 Earl st., Longsight/Gorton
Post by: Yegvard on Friday 27 July 07 16:50 BST (UK)
Barbara,

I remember the 92.  Although now down in Worcestershire, I used to live in Reddish and Heaton Moor.  Can just remember trolley buses, but not the trams.

Mike
Title: Re: 1881 Earl st., Longsight/Gorton
Post by: Barbara.H on Saturday 28 July 07 11:33 BST (UK)
I don't know why it got changed to bus number 192! Can't remember trolley buses on that route but there were still a few going out of Piccadilly when I was very young  :).  Present day Piccadilly, argh what a mess.. anyway, here is the 1895 map extract of Ducie St, I think it has to be the same as Dillon St.  I wonder if somewhere there is an archive that lists street name changes, it would be very handy.
Title: Re: 1881 Earl st., Longsight/Gorton
Post by: Yegvard on Saturday 28 July 07 12:49 BST (UK)
Barbara,

Thanks for the image.

I suspect the number changed when Stockport Corporation "became" Greater Manchester Passenger Transport.

cheers

Mike
Title: Re: 1881 Earl st., Longsight/Gorton
Post by: bigfish033 on Tuesday 30 January 18 01:55 GMT (UK)
If it is the same Earl street i think you are looking for it is near the Daisy mill. If you find an old map (pre 1960 as Earl street was demolished in the 60`s) it was located where Cochrane Avenue currently is (between South street and New bank street). I am trying to find info on my Gt.grandfathers house he lived at 104 Earl Street in 1911.