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Is anyone researching the family of Margaret Redford and William Gray, baker of Duns. They married in Duns 1802 and the union produced a number of children including Jean (born 1819) , Elizabeth (1814), Dinah, Christian (1812), Burdass (sp?), and Cordelia (born 1822).
Cordelia married a William Dewar, but I have no idea what happened to the others nor indeed parents of said Margaret and William, one time baker of Duns.
Thanks
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Hi,
This may be of help.
Per 1855 M.I. Duns, recorded 1970 by David Cargill.
William Gray. feur and baker in Dunse 3.9. 1765 spouse Jean Bell 2.3.1800 son William feur and baker in Dunse 20.12.1781 dau. Margaret 1.3.1819 dau. Elizabeth 4.5.1820 60 yrs. Mary Weir spouse of William Gray Junior 29.2.1832 82 yrs.
On back.
William Gray, feur and innkeeper in Dunse 3.1.1836 56 yrs. Margaret Redfod his wife 29.1.1837 57 yrs.
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Thank you - that was a great help and very kind of you to answer so promptly. Your signposting has certainly added a few more roads for me to travel - or railway sidings to get stuck in - but I often find those sidings great be great fun.
Thanks again
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Hi,
This may be of a bit more help if you know of all the children.
1841 census Duns.
Haymount.
Thomas Gray M 57 Grocer/Spirit Dealer Bew.
Agness F 50 Ouc.
Edward M 19 Bew.
North St.
Robert Gray M 60 Shoemaker Bew.
Clouds.
John Gray M 55 Sawyer Bew.
Jane F 55 Bew.
John M 15 App. Sawyer Bew.
Jean F 14 Bew.
John Caddie M 9 Bew.
Castle St.
Margaret Gray F 52 Ind. Bew.
Jane F 50 " Bew.
Mary F 43 " Bew.
Eliza Paxton F 18 F.Serv. Bew.
The 1841 census isn't very good on information, hope it helps.
If you think any of them fit let me know, most of them are on the 1851 census as well.
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Elizabeth Gray (b1814) is my great x3 grandmother. Her death registry image (d1875) lists father William Gray with an occupation of baker and mother as Margaret Redford. Elizabeth married a John Cameron in 1841.
Have you acquired anymore information since your posting?
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Is anyone researching the family of Margaret Redford and William Gray, baker of Duns. They married in Duns 1802 and the union produced a number of children including Jean (born 1819) , Elizabeth (1814), Dinah, Christian (1812), Burdass (sp?), and Cordelia (born 1822).
Hi, yes I'm researching this couple - as of today in fact, so can't believe that I stumbled across this within hours of identifying Margaret Redford as hubby's 4 x gt grandmother! I've had Burdass in our tree for quite some time, though with numerous variations on the spelling (e.g. Burdis, Bordis); it seems that at least one boy in each following generation has been given this name, & it's so unusual that it's actually helped me to be sure I'm following the right Gray family ;)
Today on Scotland’s People I found the baptism of Burduss (that’s how it appears to be spelt there): he was born 5th Jan 1812 & baptised 6th Feb 1812, in Duns. This led me to the marriage of William Gray & Margaret Redford: 6th April 1802 in Duns.
Now on to what I’ve had in my Ancestry tree for ages – I’ve mainly followed Burdass's son William, as he is hubby’s direct ancestor:
1841 census for Stockton upon Tees:
Burdess (but transcribed as Burdup) Gray, baker, age 26, born Scotland
Jane Gray, age 24
Ann Gray, age 7
William Gray, age 1
In the column for where born, there is an ‘N’ by Jane & Ann.
The next entry on the census sheet is: Betsy Burdis, age 11 - don't know who she is, ut he name is too much of a coincidence for her not to be related!
1851 census for Stockton upon Tees Workhouse (district 2m, p.8):
Burdess Gray, widower age 41, baker, in receipt of Parish Relief
Ann Gray, daughter, age 17, b. Newcastle upon Tyne, also in receipt of parish relief
Margret Gray, daughter, age 6, b. Stockton, scholar
and then, on the 1851 census for Hartlepool (district 10h, p.2) I found:
William Gray, age 11
Burdes Gray, age 8
John Gray, age 2
I found a baptism record on the LDS site, Batch No: C028667 for Margaret Gray (spelt Grey, but the parents tally), & she had a twin, Jane Grey; both baptised 6th June 1845, St Thomas’, Stockton; presumably Jane must have died.
I lost track of Burdess senior after that, but have followed William:
1859 m. Anna Bell Whitfield (I have lots on her too)
1861 census for Winlaton, Co. Durham; 2 children, plus William’s brother Burdes/Bardis living with them.
1871 Linz Green,Tanfield, Co Durham census (surname spelt Grey): 8 children, plus William’s brother John living with them.
1881 Medomsley, Co. Durham census: 11 children
1891 Medomsely census: Anna is a widow, but of the 9 children living with her, the youngest son is 8 years old, & the youngest daughter 3 months old – Anna was 53 by this time, so it would have been stretching it for this to actually be her daughter (perhaps really a granddaughter?), but William had definitely died by 1891.
William & Anna had 13 children altogether; their son Burdis died in the 1903 mining accident at Hamsterley Colliery.
I have a fair amount of information regarding William’s brother Burdes (sp?), plus plenty more details of the Gray family which I’ll happily share with you, but until now had found very little info on the family in earlier times. Interesting as the other posts are, I’m afraid I don’t actually understand them so would appreciate some help.
For instance, what does ‘feur’ mean? And, how do these people fit in with William Gray and Margaret Redford?
Perhaps I need to read through the posts a few more times, but was so excited that I had to get this reply written asap!
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Here is the information that I have on the Gray family prior to William Gray b11/11/1780, m06/04/1802, d04/01/1836. I have no prior information on Margaret Redford.
Parents of William Gray b1780:
- William Gray b20/08/1751, d20/12/1781
Birth Data:
ScotlandsPeople
District - Duns
GROS Data - 735/ 0030 0206
Notes: "William Gray lawful son to William Gray and Jean Bell born 20th. Witt: ?Geo? ?Sanderson? and Pat Abernethie?"
- Mary Weir b29/07/1759, d03/01/1832
Birth Data:
IGI
Death Data:
ScotlandsPeople
District - Duns
GROS Data - 735/00 0405
Notes: "Mary Weir widow of William Gray baker Duns, died 1st March 1832 and was buried 2nd March aged 82 years."
Parents of William Gray b1751:
- William Grey d03/09/1765
- Jean Bell 02/03/1800
Parents of Mary Weir b1759:
- John Weir
- Mary Sadler
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Many thanx for that - very helpful; I've also (having spent half the night puzzling over it) managed to make a bit more sense of the previous postings, so a branch of my tree that's been neglected for ages is suddenly sprouting twigs all over the place :)
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I have no prior information on Margaret Redford.
I think I may have found her on the IGI:
Margaret Redford
baptised 24/1/1779
All Saints, Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland, England
Newcastle isn't 'that' far across the border from Duns (less than 80 miles), but what makes it even more likely that this is her is the name of the father: Burdus Redford!
No mother's name though :-\
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Hi there,
I and other family members have been researching Redford for many years. So far we haven't found a connection to this family but I do know that there are quite a few Burdis Redfords in the Newcastle area. With a name like that they have to be connected to each other.
Christine
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Is anyone researching the family of Margaret Redford and William Gray, baker of Duns. They married in Duns 1802 and the union produced a number of children including Jean (born 1819) , Elizabeth (1814), Dinah, Christian (1812), Burdass (sp?), and Cordelia (born 1822).
Hi, yes I'm researching this couple - as of today in fact, so can't believe that I stumbled across this within hours of identifying Margaret Redford as hubby's 4 x gt grandmother! I've had Burdass in our tree for quite some time, though with numerous variations on the spelling (e.g. Burdis, Bordis); it seems that at least one boy in each following generation has been given this name, & it's so unusual that it's actually helped me to be sure I'm following the right Gray family ;)
Today on Scotland’s People I found the baptism of Burduss (that’s how it appears to be spelt there): he was born 5th Jan 1812 & baptised 6th Feb 1812, in Duns. This led me to the marriage of William Gray & Margaret Redford: 6th April 1802 in Duns.
Now on to what I’ve had in my Ancestry tree for ages – I’ve mainly followed Burdass's son William, as he is hubby’s direct ancestor:
1841 census for Stockton upon Tees:
Burdess (but transcribed as Burdup) Gray, baker, age 26, born Scotland
Jane Gray, age 24
Ann Gray, age 7
William Gray, age 1
In the column for where born, there is an ‘N’ by Jane & Ann.
The next entry on the census sheet is: Betsy Burdis, age 11 - don't know who she is, ut he name is too much of a coincidence for her not to be related!
1851 census for Stockton upon Tees Workhouse (district 2m, p.8):
Burdess Gray, widower age 41, baker, in receipt of Parish Relief
Ann Gray, daughter, age 17, b. Newcastle upon Tyne, also in receipt of parish relief
Margret Gray, daughter, age 6, b. Stockton, scholar
and then, on the 1851 census for Hartlepool (district 10h, p.2) I found:
William Gray, age 11
Burdes Gray, age 8
John Gray, age 2
I found a baptism record on the LDS site, Batch No: C028667 for Margaret Gray (spelt Grey, but the parents tally), & she had a twin, Jane Grey; both baptised 6th June 1845, St Thomas’, Stockton; presumably Jane must have died.
I lost track of Burdess senior after that, but have followed William:
1859 m. Anna Bell Whitfield (I have lots on her too)
1861 census for Winlaton, Co. Durham; 2 children, plus William’s brother Burdes/Bardis living with them.
1871 Linz Green,Tanfield, Co Durham census (surname spelt Grey): 8 children, plus William’s brother John living with them.
1881 Medomsley, Co. Durham census: 11 children
1891 Medomsely census: Anna is a widow, but of the 9 children living with her, the youngest son is 8 years old, & the youngest daughter 3 months old – Anna was 53 by this time, so it would have been stretching it for this to actually be her daughter (perhaps really a granddaughter?), but William had definitely died by 1891.
William & Anna had 13 children altogether; their son Burdis died in the 1903 mining accident at Hamsterley Colliery.
I have a fair amount of information regarding William’s brother Burdes (sp?), plus plenty more details of the Gray family which I’ll happily share with you, but until now had found very little info on the family in earlier times. Interesting as the other posts are, I’m afraid I don’t actually understand them so would appreciate some help.
For instance, what does ‘feur’ mean? And, how do these people fit in with William Gray and Margaret Redford?
Perhaps I need to read through the posts a few more times, but was so excited that I had to get this reply written asap!
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Is anyone researching the family of Margaret Redford and William Gray, baker of Duns. They married in Duns 1802 and the union produced a number of children including Jean (born 1819) , Elizabeth (1814), Dinah, Christian (1812), Burdass (sp?), and Cordelia (born 1822).
Hi, yes I'm researching this couple - as of today in fact, so can't believe that I stumbled across this within hours of identifying Margaret Redford as hubby's 4 x gt grandmother! I've had Burdass in our tree for quite some time, though with numerous variations on the spelling (e.g. Burdis, Bordis); it seems that at least one boy in each following generation has been given this name, & it's so unusual that it's actually helped me to be sure I'm following the right Gray family ;)
Today on Scotland’s People I found the baptism of Burduss (that’s how it appears to be spelt there): he was born 5th Jan 1812 & baptised 6th Feb 1812, in Duns. This led me to the marriage of William Gray & Margaret Redford: 6th April 1802 in Duns.
Now on to what I’ve had in my Ancestry tree for ages – I’ve mainly followed Burdass's son William, as he is hubby’s direct ancestor:
1841 census for Stockton upon Tees:
Burdess (but transcribed as Burdup) Gray, baker, age 26, born Scotland
Jane Gray, age 24
Ann Gray, age 7
William Gray, age 1
In the column for where born, there is an ‘N’ by Jane & Ann.
The next entry on the census sheet is: Betsy Burdis, age 11 - don't know who she is, ut he name is too much of a coincidence for her not to be related!
1851 census for Stockton upon Tees Workhouse (district 2m, p.8):
Burdess Gray, widower age 41, baker, in receipt of Parish Relief
Ann Gray, daughter, age 17, b. Newcastle upon Tyne, also in receipt of parish relief
Margret Gray, daughter, age 6, b. Stockton, scholar
and then, on the 1851 census for Hartlepool (district 10h, p.2) I found:
William Gray, age 11
Burdes Gray, age 8
John Gray, age 2
I found a baptism record on the LDS site, Batch No: C028667 for Margaret Gray (spelt Grey, but the parents tally), & she had a twin, Jane Grey; both baptised 6th June 1845, St Thomas’, Stockton; presumably Jane must have died.
I lost track of Burdess senior after that, but have followed William:
1859 m. Anna Bell Whitfield (I have lots on her too)
1861 census for Winlaton, Co. Durham; 2 children, plus William’s brother Burdes/Bardis living with them.
1871 Linz Green,Tanfield, Co Durham census (surname spelt Grey): 8 children, plus William’s brother John living with them.
1881 Medomsley, Co. Durham census: 11 children
1891 Medomsely census: Anna is a widow, but of the 9 children living with her, the youngest son is 8 years old, & the youngest daughter 3 months old – Anna was 53 by this time, so it would have been stretching it for this to actually be her daughter (perhaps really a granddaughter?), but William had definitely died by 1891.
William & Anna had 13 children altogether; their son Burdis died in the 1903 mining accident at Hamsterley Colliery.
I have a fair amount of information regarding William’s brother Burdes (sp?), plus plenty more details of the Gray family which I’ll happily share with you, but until now had found very little info on the family in earlier times. Interesting as the other posts are, I’m afraid I don’t actually understand them so would appreciate some help.
For instance, what does ‘feur’ mean? And, how do these people fit in with William Gray and Margaret Redford?
Perhaps I need to read through the posts a few more times, but was so excited that I had to get this reply written asap!
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I'm looking at this line - like banana54, my direct ancestor is William Gray, son of Burdess - my line goes through his daughter Isabella - does anybody have info on her?
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Oh my. I've just stumbled onto this thread. I am a descendent of William Gray. My great Grandfather was the Burdis Gray killed in the mine.
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Is there anyone still following this thread? This is so 9nteresting to me, but I have some questions. It's fun to see these names, too. I am an Elizabeth Gray, I have a brother John and my father was a James Burdis, as is my brother. I had an Uncle William. My grandfather was Burdis Gray and his father was the Burdis Gray who died in the mine.
I am having trouble following the lineages though. Some of the dates don't seem to match up right, or perhaps I am mixing up lines. Anyone here?
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Hi Cabinfest,
All of those interested in this Family havet been on Rootschat since 2012/2013.
If you give us some dates (pob/dob) for your Grandfather and Great Grandfather Burdis Gray we can help you.
Trish :)
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Ok, may jhave found him;
Death;
BURDIS Gray
Sep-10-1903 • Hamsterley Colliery, Durham, England
Is this what you have;
1891 Census
Harton, Durham
BURDISs Gray, 30, Coal Miner, born Winlaton, Durham
Hannah Gray, 30
Hannah B Gray, 8
Elizabeth Gray, 4
Burdis Gray, 3
1881 Census
WILLIAM Gray, 43, Head, Mar, Coal Miner, born Stockton
Hannah B. Gray, 46
BURDESS Gray, 22, Comn, Unm, Coal Miner, born Winlaton****
Mathias Gray, 18
Jane Gray, 16
Margaret A. Gray, 14
Mary (Twin) Gray, 12
Eleanor (Twin) Gray, 12
Susan Gray, 10
John Gray, 8
William Gray, 6
Dinah Gray , 4
Robert Gray,
1871 Census
WILLIAM Grey, 29
Anabella Grey, 33
Elizabeth Whitefield (Grey), 15
BORDIS Grey, 12
Bella Grey, 10
Matthew W Grey, 8
Jane Grey, 6
Margaret Grey, 5
Mary Grey, 2
Ellen Grey, 2
John Grey, 24, Boarder
1861 we have;
WILLIAM Gray, 20
Anna Bell Gray, 23
Elizabeth Gray, 5
BARDIS Gray, 2
Bardis Gray, 18, Brother
So William has Brothers John and Burdis.
1851 Census
William Gray, 11
Burdes Gray, 8
John Gray, 2
All Paupers at School in some sort of Institution (Workhouse?)
1841 in Stockton we have;
BURDUP Gray, 26, Baker, born Scotland***
Jane Gray, 24, not born in County
Ann Gray, 7, not born in County
WILLIAM Gray, 1, born in County
Betsy Gray, 11, Female Servant, born in County (sister of Burdis or Neice?)
1851 in the Workhouse we have;
Burdess Gray, 41, Widower, Baker receiving Parish Relief, born Dunee (Duns), Scotland
Ann Gray, 17, Daug, born New Castouton Tyn, Northumberland (Newcastle upon Tyne)
Margret Gray, 6, Daug, born Stockton
*****Also on page is a Henry GrEy age 5 born Stockton
MARRIAGE FreeREG;
11 Oct 1834, St Michael, Bishopwermouth, Durham
Burdass GRAY to Jane DRUMFIL
So this at least confirms Family Line back to Burdis born c 1812 Duns :)
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You may already have this;
St John's 12 August 1893 Burdis GRAYray (X), 32, Widower, Coal Miner, Westgate Rd, father WILLIAM Gray, Coal miner, married Elizabeth JOSE, 37, Widow, Westgate Rd, father Richard CONLY, Shipwright, witnesses Matthew Mason (X) & Isabella Mason (X)
1st Wife was Hannah WILSON married 1881 (FreeBMD)
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In case you dont have the 1901 which no Trees seem to have;
BIRDES Gray, 40, born Winlaton, Durham
Elizabeth S Gray, 48, born Shernes on Sea, Kent
Eleanor Jose Gray, 21, born Newcastle Upon Tyne
Elizabeth Gray, 14
BIRDIS Gray, 13***
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As per 24 Jan 1779 Baptism found for Margaret REDFORD, Northumberland her Fathers Occp was a Joiner
Siblings were;
MARTHA, 25 March 1781
DINAH, 1 June 1783
ELIZABETH, 22 Nov 1789
(FreeREG)
I cant find any other Baptisms Newcastle upn Tyne on FreeREG but there are these BURIALS at All Saints;
THOMAS Redford, 9 Oct 1774, Son of Burdus, Joiner
ELIZABETH Redford, 24 May 1782, Daug of Burdus, Joiner
JANE Redford, 15 May 1799, Daug of Burdus
Jane REDFORD, Dog Bank dau of Burdus REDFORD, Joiner by his wife. . (no name given) late CARNABY. Died 12 May 1799
BURDIS Redford, 15 April 1822, age 79 (1743) , Occp Joiner, abode Butcher Market
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Ok, got it;
Familysearch.Org;
MARRIAGE;
1765 All Saints, Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland,
Burdus REDFORD to Ann CARNABY
BIRDUS Redford Christened 14 March 1742m All Saints, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Northumberland
Father HUGH Redford
Children you can check on F/S yourself for exact dates;
Elizabeth 1766, died 1782
Mary 1768
Robert 1770
Thomas 1772, died 1774
Ann 1774
Jane 1777
Margaret 1779
Martha 1781
Dinah 1783
Elizabeth 1787
Last 3 match FreeREG
Anc is mucking up for me but looks like Ann/Dinah didnt marry;
1841 Census
Dinah Redford, F, 58-62
Ann Redford, F, 65-69
ROBERT dies 1823 age 53, married Jane SOPWITH 1794 and named his 3rd Son ROBERT CARNABY Redford, a 11 Nov 1798
Robert was a Cabinetmaker
Noww e know Burdus Redford married Ann Carnaby this looks like her BURIAL;
Ann REDFORD, 10 Oct 1837, All Saints, Newcastle upon Tyne
Abode Merchant's Hospital, Manor Chare
Age 92***
Birth c 1745
How lovely, nearly got a letter from the Queen :)