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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cheshire => Topic started by: bjh1225 on Thursday 19 July 07 04:39 BST (UK)
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Trying in vain to find any record of a James CLARKE, hay dealer, in Cheshire before 1853,
He had a son named Thomas Clarke bc 1821 in Northwich. I have run their names on the 1841 and 1851 censuses and do not come up with any possibility. Thomas m. Alice (Croft) Freeman in Liverpool on 26 Sept 1853. He died in Lancashire in 1864. There is one listing for a Thomas Clarke b 1824 Northwich who m. Ann McNaight. Does anyone recognize this couple ?
Any data or advise will truly be appreciated,
Regards, Bettye
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Hi Bettye
On the 1861 census Thomas & Alice Clarke are ennumerated (along with other children) with a daughter Elizabeth Clarke aged 16 b.Liverpool. It looks to me that possibly Thomas had been married previously, daughter Elizabeth being born c.1845 in Liverpool to a first wife.
Might be worth investigating Ann McNaight.
odessa.
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Hi Bettye,
I have just googled Thomas Clarke of Northwich and came across your rootschat.
I am searching for the Clarke Family and some of the information refers to my Family too!!
I don't know how to get in touch with you as this is the first time that I have used Rootschat.
Any contact from you would be appreciated.
Regards
Annielaurie
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Hi Annielaurie and welcome to Rootschat!
Bettye was last online in December 2010 - hopefully she will see this message and respond. When you have made a couple more posts you will be able to send her a personal message - see below:
http://www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php
You can do this by posting a couple more times on this thread.
Hope this helps,
Jean
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Hi Jean,
Thank you so much for your reply and warm welcome.
I am only new at this online genealogy so I hope everyone will understand if I am a bit slow at first.
I have done a lot of research in the past and have hit a brick wall with the Clarke side of my Family tree and was delighted to get a glimmer of hope that could move my research on.
I do hope Bettye sees this post.
Regards
Annielaurie
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Hi Annielaurie,
I've sent a message to Bettye, so hopefully she will return to this thread.
Meanwhile, if you have any specific queries that we may be able to help with why not start your own thread.... :)
Jean
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Welcome Annielaurie,
I will post this for you but Bettye may already have this info.
1851 Census
Garston, Lancashire
HO107/2192/1183/10
Alice FREEMAN, 29, Head, Widow, Laundress, born Bickersteth
Elizabeth Freeman, 6, Daug, born Liverpool
Edwin Freeman, 2, Son, born Liverpool
Thomas Freeman, 7mths, Son, born Liverpool
Next door are;
John CROFTS, 64, Head, Mar, Ag Lab, born Bickerstaffe
Catherine Crofts, 55, Wife, Mar, born Haughton
Possible Parents for Alice
So in 1861 when Thomas Clarke and Alice Freeman (nee Croft) are Married the first 3 Children are from her 1st Marriage;
1861 we have;
Thomas CLARK, 37
Alice, 39
Elizabeth, 16
Edwin, 12
Thomas, 10
Ann, 7
John/Caroline Croft are living next door here also.
Trish :)
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If you need any help with any Garston connections, let me know....I live there...and my dad worked in the Laundry there..I would be interested to know what that address was...and I presume Alice would have been born Bickerstaffe - written Bickersteth
William Freeman married Alice Croft in 1844 in Liverpool
allan ;)
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Thank you all for all that information....wow
It came as a bit of a surprise to me as my Great Grandfather is the Edwin Clarke mentioned and I could not find any record of his birth or baptism anywhere and now I know that he was born Freeman and not Clarke it all makes sense.
I will now try to find his birth or baptism under the name of Freeman.Edwins marriage certificate shows his Father as Thomas Clarke so I am now going to try the Freeman connection which I think is the blood line that I should be following.....you can tell I am new at this rootschat but I am amazed at the wonderful and knowledgable people out there who are willing to help.
Thank you all so much.
Regards
Annielaurie
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I am glad I could help :)
I wouldnt jump to conclusions yet as to Edwins Father as he may have been illegitimate and Thomas Clark his Father. They may have Married later.
Firstly we need to find when William Freeman died.
I'll see what else I can find tonight and then if unsuccessful you may need the Birth Cert of Edwin.
Hi Allan,
The reason I didnt put the address is I couldnt make it out;
Out Lane, Pith Lane, Push Lane, Beck Lane??? Anyhow next Street is Island Farm Lane.
Trish :)
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Hi Trish,
Thanks for the advice...I am so grateful for your research results.I am still astonished how you came up with those facts though....and thrilled to bits too.
Regards
Annielaurie
Hi Allan,
Thank you for your kind offer to help. I did get in touch with the local History Society by you for the local churches and have been through all the baptisms in the area under the name of Edwin Clarke and drew a blank so now I know why....He was born as Edwin Freeman!!
I have only been on Rootschat for just over a day and look at the results...absolutely wonderful.Thank you.
Regards
Annielaurie
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Hiya Annie
1848 june qtr FREEMAN Edwin West Derby 20 1511
this is Edwins registered birth on www.freebmd.org.uk in case you don`t know,West Derby is a district office for registering births in certain parts of Liverpool
allan ;)
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Hi Allan.
Thanks for your help.
I will send for Edwin's birth cert and see what comes back.
Thanks again
Regards
Annielaurie
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Hi Trish,Hi Allan,
Thank you both for your previous advice.
I have now got Edwin Freemans birth cert and it shows Mother as Alice Freeman and no mention of a maiden name and no mention of a Father either.
I suppose he must have been illegitimate as it would have shown Alice's Husband William Freeman as Father(deceased) on the birth cert.
Why do you think there is no mention of her maiden name on cert when she was married to William Freeman in 1844?
The only death I could find for a William Freeman was in 1849!!!
Any help or advice would be appreciated.Thank you.
Annielaurie
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Hiya Annielaurie....does it say Wavertree on Edwins Birth Certificate ?
allan
added...it`s OK...I have found him...yes he was born in Garston , so the birth cert should say registered Wavertree ...well...I say that , my g grandfathers did b 1877...1844 I am not so sure
on the 1881 census he is a Butcher with wife Annie and 5 children...I presume you have this ?...he kept the name Clarke
allan
added again ...wife was Ann Roberts ...and they married in St Peter ,Liverpool
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Hi Allan
Yes it does say Edwin was registered in Wavertree .Born 10th May 1848 Out lane Garston.It looks like 4 am under date and above address but couldnt find any trace of a twin so might be something else like house /cottage number.
Just dont know how to take this back further...but I am waiting for marriage cert of His Mother Alice nee Croft and William Freeman.
How do I start a new thread as all this is under Northwich and it might not have anything to do with Thomas Clarke of Northwich??Also the only way I can get into Rootschat is via googleing thomas clarke etc....what am I doing wrong please??
Regards
Annielaurie
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I will ask JD Gen to move it to Lancashire board and for advice on the Thread title...if you want to do it yourself -
look above your last post where it says Northwich and above that it says Cheshire...next to Cheshire in blue writing it says
Moderator JDGen ....click on this blue JDGen and you will see you can send her a PM...Personal Message...ask her advice on a new Thread title and ask her to move it to Lancashire Board for you....www.rootschat.com id the homepage then you should see a box that says " enter chat " ...so click on that box and you will see
Beginners as the first thread
scroll down and you will see English Counties ....amongst these Counties you will seeCheshire ...which this thread is on ....and Lancashire ...click on Lancashire when JDGen has moved it...I will let you know
allan ;)
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Thanks Allan...very much appreciated.
Regards
Annielaurie
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I have just sent JDGen a PM anyway, in case you were struggling....and don`t worry, you will soon get the hang of Rootschat...
by the way...the find that Trish posted regarding next door to Alice in Out Lane ,Garston on the census being John Crofts and Catherine Crofts....my money is on them being Alices mum and dad....allan ;)
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Hi Annielaurie and Allan,
I've had a look through the thread and can't see an obvious place to split it - also it was started by someone else.
I think it would be better to start a new thread on the Lancashire lookup requests board - link is here:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,233.0.html
Just click on the "New Topic" button and put what information you are looking for about Edwin and his family. Post what you know and I'm sure people will be able to help you out. You could also post a link to this thread - I'll keep an eye out for the thread appearing so if you aren't sure how to do it I can do it for you.
Jean
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Hi Bettye,
I have just googled Thomas Clarke of Northwich and came across your rootschat.
I am searching for the Clarke Family and some of the information refers to my Family too!!
I don't know how to get in touch with you as this is the first time that I have used Rootschat.
Any contact from you would be appreciated.
Regards
Annielaurie
[/quote I did not receive any notification of the responses to my query, thus I did not respond.
Thank you for the information.
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Hi Bettye,
I have hit a brick wall with the Clarke Family in Northwich...have you had any luck with finding James Clark described as Haydealer on my Greatgrandparents marriage certificate in September 1853.
My maiden name was Clarke with an 'e' and I would love to find out more.
It doesn't help that the spelling changes does it??.
Any help or advice would be appreciated
Kind Regards
Ann Lambert nee Clarke