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Title: Irish name McAhruie
Post by: sancti on Monday 23 July 07 23:53 BST (UK)
I found an ancestors marriage record in Coatbridge Scotland on Scotlandspeople. This is the way it is recorded, has anyone heard of it or tell me what it should be
Title: Re: Irish name McAhruie
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 24 July 07 09:23 BST (UK)
Very wild guess- McCrory or something similar.
Title: Re: Irish name McAhruie
Post by: Christopher on Monday 31 December 07 11:35 GMT (UK)
Hi sancti,

What denomination were your McAhruie ancestors and what date was on their marriage record? The name may possibly have been Carew with a prefix.

Have  a Happy, Peaceful and Prosperous New Year.

Christopher 
Title: Re: Irish name McAhruie
Post by: sancti on Monday 31 December 07 13:06 GMT (UK)
They were RC and married in St Patricks, Coatbridge, Lanarkshire

Other spelling I have for her father is John Mc Inruie who married Elizabeth Teven
Title: Re: Irish name McAhruie
Post by: Christopher on Monday 31 December 07 13:24 GMT (UK)
Hello sancti,

I think there's an incorrect spelling floating around. Mc Inruie doesn't appear in Griffiths Valuations (on John Hayes failteromhat.com website) although maybe maybe the family wasn't in Ireland at that time.

I tried McInr ... and found the following in Co. Clare. 

Michael Mc Inrehy, Kilconnell, Kilmacrehy. Clare
John Mc Inreney, Binvoran, Kilmurry. Clare
Michael Mc Inreney, Binvoran, Kilmurry. Clare

There's also a long list of people named Mc Inroe. If you could find out if other families from Co. Clare attended St Patricks that would help.

Christopher
Title: Re: Irish name McAhruie
Post by: sancti on Monday 31 December 07 14:42 GMT (UK)
Mary Ann McAhruie (sp) married in Coatbridge in 1884 aged 20 according to the record on SP. Her parents were John McAhruie and Elizabeth Teven

I dont know when she arrived from Ireland or if she came on her own.

The 1891 census only gives her place of birth as Ireland
Title: Re: Irish name McAhruie
Post by: Christopher on Monday 31 December 07 14:56 GMT (UK)
Hi sancti,

I have the impression Mary Ann may have been an uneducated Irish woman who couldn't read or write. There were no families named Teven listed in Griffiths Valuation of Ireland 1848-64. The nearest names were ... Tevenan, Tevenehan or Tevens.

Christopher
Title: Re: Irish name McAhruie
Post by: aghadowey on Monday 31 December 07 16:28 GMT (UK)
Sancti- do you have Mary Ann's death certificate? or birth certificates of any children? maybe there's a 'better' attempt at spelling later on.
Title: Re: Irish name McAhruie
Post by: sancti on Monday 31 December 07 16:34 GMT (UK)
She married James McGovern in 1884 with parent names McAhruie and Teven

Her husband James registered her death in Coatbridge in 1927 and gave the same names.

I tried the 1881 census but couldn't find her
Title: Re: Irish name McAhruie
Post by: Christopher on Monday 31 December 07 17:33 GMT (UK)
Sancti- do you have Mary Ann's death certificate? or birth certificates of any children? maybe there's a 'better' attempt at spelling later on.

Well I suppose it could be third time lucky, aghadowey

So far we've Sancti has found McAhruie and McInruie.

I wonder if the guys at Scotlandspeople transcribed the name correctly.

Christopher 
Title: Re: Irish name McAhruie
Post by: sancti on Monday 31 December 07 17:50 GMT (UK)
Christopher the 2 images I got from SP are actual images of the marriage and death record and they do say McAhruie with mother name Teven.
Title: Re: Irish name McAhruie
Post by: aghadowey on Monday 31 December 07 19:25 GMT (UK)
Sancti- below is a possibility but can't confirm it yet. Thought about someone from Northern Ireland telling a registrar in Scotland their surname, etc. and North Antrim/Derry accent is very, very similar to Ayrshire accent so Mary Ann might have come from other parts of Scotland, then  tried pronouncing the surname the way you have it spelled- McAhruie and McInruie. Wondered if the name wasn't McIlroy and if 'Teven' could be something like 'Stephens.'
Then, leaving the spelling of surname for the moment, searched 1881 Scottish census for Mary Ann's family. Put in name- Mary (no surname), born Ireland, father- John, mother- Elizabeth. Not that many entires came up and the only one that seemed likely is McIlroy!

1881 Census- 12 William St., Milton, Glasgow:
John McIlroy age 50 Co.Fermanagh railway surfaceman
wife Elizabeth McIlroy age 40 Co.Fermanagh house keeper
son John McIlroy age 20 Co.Tyrone bolier coverer
dau. Mary McIlroy age 16 Co.Tyrone confectioner worker
dau. Ellen McIlroy age 11 Co.Fermanagh scholar
lodger Bernard Docherty age 24 Co.Tyrone plasterers labourer
lodger Patrick McHugh age 23 Co.Donegal masons labourer

Then went to IGI and BVRI to find this family in Ireland:
John McIlroy/McElroy m. Eliza/Elizabeth Murphy
1. Mary born 28 Feb.1864 Strabane dist., Tyrone (in 1881 census)
2. Margret born 28 Aug.1866 Clonelly dist., Fermanagh
3. Ellen born 10 Aug.1869 Clonelly dist., Fermanagh (in 1881 census)
4. Catherine born 20 Oct.1871 Co.Fermanagh

Problem is that 'Murphy' isn't even close to 'Teven' but if your Mary Ann was born 28 Feb.c1864 it still might be a possibility.
Title: Re: Irish name McAhruie
Post by: Christopher on Monday 31 December 07 19:55 GMT (UK)
You seem to get results when you impersonate accents of Irish counties, aghadowey.

Christopher
Title: Re: Irish name McAhruie
Post by: sancti on Tuesday 04 March 08 10:20 GMT (UK)
I have found the death record of Mary Ann's father on SP it has been written and transcribed as John McInrue who was married to 1st Elizabeth Teven and 2nd Mary Ann Lettamer (sp)

John died in Coatbridge in 1907 and his parents are given as William McInrue and Ann White

His son John married and died in Coatbridge and his name is recorded as McInrue.

Any thoughts if this is the correct name and whereabouts in Ireland they came from. Marriages in Coatbridge are RC
Title: Re: Irish name McAhruie
Post by: luimneach on Tuesday 04 March 08 10:58 GMT (UK)
There are 87 entries in the IGI for the name Teevan.I would think that this is the more common spelling for Teven.The largest concentration seems to be county Cavan.
Title: Re: Irish name McAhruie
Post by: sancti on Tuesday 04 March 08 11:56 GMT (UK)
To add to the confusion I have found his marriage to Mary Ann Letimour (sp) and his name is given as John McAroon (widower) parents are William McAroon and Ann White, so it is the right John
Title: Re: Irish name McAhruie
Post by: sancti on Wednesday 14 October 09 10:11 BST (UK)
I have john on the 1901 census with the name recorded as McAroo

The RC records on SP show the baptism of his son as McAroon

More confusion to try to sort out  :(
Title: Re: Irish name McAhruie
Post by: samalexander on Monday 03 September 18 23:23 BST (UK)
I know this thread is very old, but Mary Ann is my 3rd great grandmother. I was doing some random searching on IrishGeneaology.ie looking for her and I haven't found her but I have found someone who could be a clue to her family.

MARGARET McILRUE born in 1864, to the Parents PATRICK McILRUE and ELIZA TIEVEN in Roundwood, Rathdrum in County Wicklow, Ireland.

I have searched for other members born in the same area of the same surname but can't seem to find anything and to make things more confusion, the father is a Patrick McIlrue and not a John as is recorded on Mary Ann's marriage and death certificates. But it seems like they must be connected as the names of the parents almost match up apart from the Patrick and John part...
Title: Re: Irish name McAhruie
Post by: gaffy on Tuesday 04 September 18 00:17 BST (UK)
The following is a possibility, Kilquade RC parish in County Wicklow, a Maria Anna McInroe was baptised on 29 May 1864, parents given as John McInroe and Elizabeth Teevan of Knockadreet townland, sponsors John Traynor and Catherine McDonnell.
Title: Re: Irish name McAhruie
Post by: samalexander on Tuesday 04 September 18 11:07 BST (UK)
Wow thank you Gaffy! where did you find that record? Was there a image of it?

I’ve been searching for so long for Mary Ann, I am almost certain that will be her since the dates and names all match up and because Teevan is quite a rare surname.
Title: Re: Irish name McAhruie
Post by: gaffy on Tuesday 04 September 18 11:22 BST (UK)
It was just a transcription, frustratingly I can't see a civil birth record - assuming birth was shortly before baptism and albeit that registration had just begun and I imagine there was a significant gap in uptake - and I can't see other children for a couple with those names (or variants), or a marriage. 

Given the location (ie. the proximity of Roundwood and Knockadreet), I imagine you could be right  about Patrick and Elizabeth being connected to John and Elizabeth.

Title: Re: Irish name McAhruie
Post by: samalexander on Tuesday 04 September 18 12:47 BST (UK)
Which website are you using to find the records?

I know when Mary Ann married in Scotland in 1884 at the age of 20, her mother recorded as "Bessie" Teeven was recorded as being deceased, I wonder if there is a death record for her in Ireland between the years 1864 and 1884 as I can't seem to find any mention of her in Scotland.
Title: Re: Irish name McAhruie
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 04 September 18 13:13 BST (UK)
Only 3 Teeven

 Death of JOHN TEEVEN in 1877
Group Registration ID   N/R
SR District/Reg Area   Belfast
Deceased Age at Death   0
Returns Year   1877
Returns Quarter   2
Returns Volume No   6
Returns Page No   290

Death of JAMES TEEVEN in 1898
Group Registration ID   4278625
SR District/Reg Area   Belfast
Deceased Age at Death   18

Death of JOHN TEEVEN in 1901
Group Registration ID   3450220
SR District/Reg Area   Belfast
Deceased Age at Death   82
Title: Re: Irish name McAhruie
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 04 September 18 13:15 BST (UK)
3 Teven


 Death of MARY TEVEN in 1896
Group Registration ID   4102568
SR District/Reg Area   Belfast
Deceased Age at Death   17

Death of PATRICK TEVEN in 1902
Group Registration ID   4456292
SR District/Reg Area   Belfast
Deceased Age at Death   54

Death of MARY TEVEN in 1911
Group Registration ID   3569437
SR District/Reg Area   Belfast
Deceased Age at Death   62
Title: Re: Irish name McAhruie
Post by: samalexander on Tuesday 04 September 18 14:25 BST (UK)
could it be that her death may have been recorded under her married name of McInrue? (or a variant of that name since it seems to be spelt so many different ways)
Title: Re: Irish name McAhruie
Post by: gaffy on Tuesday 04 September 18 16:24 BST (UK)

Which website are you using to find the records?

I know when Mary Ann married in Scotland in 1884 at the age of 20, her mother recorded as "Bessie" Teeven was recorded as being deceased, I wonder if there is a death record for her in Ireland between the years 1864 and 1884 as I can't seem to find any mention of her in Scotland.


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