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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: sancti on Monday 23 July 07 23:53 BST (UK)
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I found an ancestors marriage record in Coatbridge Scotland on Scotlandspeople. This is the way it is recorded, has anyone heard of it or tell me what it should be
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Very wild guess- McCrory or something similar.
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Hi sancti,
What denomination were your McAhruie ancestors and what date was on their marriage record? The name may possibly have been Carew with a prefix.
Have a Happy, Peaceful and Prosperous New Year.
Christopher
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They were RC and married in St Patricks, Coatbridge, Lanarkshire
Other spelling I have for her father is John Mc Inruie who married Elizabeth Teven
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Hello sancti,
I think there's an incorrect spelling floating around. Mc Inruie doesn't appear in Griffiths Valuations (on John Hayes failteromhat.com website) although maybe maybe the family wasn't in Ireland at that time.
I tried McInr ... and found the following in Co. Clare.
Michael Mc Inrehy, Kilconnell, Kilmacrehy. Clare
John Mc Inreney, Binvoran, Kilmurry. Clare
Michael Mc Inreney, Binvoran, Kilmurry. Clare
There's also a long list of people named Mc Inroe. If you could find out if other families from Co. Clare attended St Patricks that would help.
Christopher
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Mary Ann McAhruie (sp) married in Coatbridge in 1884 aged 20 according to the record on SP. Her parents were John McAhruie and Elizabeth Teven
I dont know when she arrived from Ireland or if she came on her own.
The 1891 census only gives her place of birth as Ireland
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Hi sancti,
I have the impression Mary Ann may have been an uneducated Irish woman who couldn't read or write. There were no families named Teven listed in Griffiths Valuation of Ireland 1848-64. The nearest names were ... Tevenan, Tevenehan or Tevens.
Christopher
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Sancti- do you have Mary Ann's death certificate? or birth certificates of any children? maybe there's a 'better' attempt at spelling later on.
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She married James McGovern in 1884 with parent names McAhruie and Teven
Her husband James registered her death in Coatbridge in 1927 and gave the same names.
I tried the 1881 census but couldn't find her
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Sancti- do you have Mary Ann's death certificate? or birth certificates of any children? maybe there's a 'better' attempt at spelling later on.
Well I suppose it could be third time lucky, aghadowey
So far we've Sancti has found McAhruie and McInruie.
I wonder if the guys at Scotlandspeople transcribed the name correctly.
Christopher
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Christopher the 2 images I got from SP are actual images of the marriage and death record and they do say McAhruie with mother name Teven.
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Sancti- below is a possibility but can't confirm it yet. Thought about someone from Northern Ireland telling a registrar in Scotland their surname, etc. and North Antrim/Derry accent is very, very similar to Ayrshire accent so Mary Ann might have come from other parts of Scotland, then tried pronouncing the surname the way you have it spelled- McAhruie and McInruie. Wondered if the name wasn't McIlroy and if 'Teven' could be something like 'Stephens.'
Then, leaving the spelling of surname for the moment, searched 1881 Scottish census for Mary Ann's family. Put in name- Mary (no surname), born Ireland, father- John, mother- Elizabeth. Not that many entires came up and the only one that seemed likely is McIlroy!
1881 Census- 12 William St., Milton, Glasgow:
John McIlroy age 50 Co.Fermanagh railway surfaceman
wife Elizabeth McIlroy age 40 Co.Fermanagh house keeper
son John McIlroy age 20 Co.Tyrone bolier coverer
dau. Mary McIlroy age 16 Co.Tyrone confectioner worker
dau. Ellen McIlroy age 11 Co.Fermanagh scholar
lodger Bernard Docherty age 24 Co.Tyrone plasterers labourer
lodger Patrick McHugh age 23 Co.Donegal masons labourer
Then went to IGI and BVRI to find this family in Ireland:
John McIlroy/McElroy m. Eliza/Elizabeth Murphy
1. Mary born 28 Feb.1864 Strabane dist., Tyrone (in 1881 census)
2. Margret born 28 Aug.1866 Clonelly dist., Fermanagh
3. Ellen born 10 Aug.1869 Clonelly dist., Fermanagh (in 1881 census)
4. Catherine born 20 Oct.1871 Co.Fermanagh
Problem is that 'Murphy' isn't even close to 'Teven' but if your Mary Ann was born 28 Feb.c1864 it still might be a possibility.
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You seem to get results when you impersonate accents of Irish counties, aghadowey.
Christopher
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I have found the death record of Mary Ann's father on SP it has been written and transcribed as John McInrue who was married to 1st Elizabeth Teven and 2nd Mary Ann Lettamer (sp)
John died in Coatbridge in 1907 and his parents are given as William McInrue and Ann White
His son John married and died in Coatbridge and his name is recorded as McInrue.
Any thoughts if this is the correct name and whereabouts in Ireland they came from. Marriages in Coatbridge are RC
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There are 87 entries in the IGI for the name Teevan.I would think that this is the more common spelling for Teven.The largest concentration seems to be county Cavan.
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To add to the confusion I have found his marriage to Mary Ann Letimour (sp) and his name is given as John McAroon (widower) parents are William McAroon and Ann White, so it is the right John
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I have john on the 1901 census with the name recorded as McAroo
The RC records on SP show the baptism of his son as McAroon
More confusion to try to sort out :(
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I know this thread is very old, but Mary Ann is my 3rd great grandmother. I was doing some random searching on IrishGeneaology.ie looking for her and I haven't found her but I have found someone who could be a clue to her family.
MARGARET McILRUE born in 1864, to the Parents PATRICK McILRUE and ELIZA TIEVEN in Roundwood, Rathdrum in County Wicklow, Ireland.
I have searched for other members born in the same area of the same surname but can't seem to find anything and to make things more confusion, the father is a Patrick McIlrue and not a John as is recorded on Mary Ann's marriage and death certificates. But it seems like they must be connected as the names of the parents almost match up apart from the Patrick and John part...
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The following is a possibility, Kilquade RC parish in County Wicklow, a Maria Anna McInroe was baptised on 29 May 1864, parents given as John McInroe and Elizabeth Teevan of Knockadreet townland, sponsors John Traynor and Catherine McDonnell.
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Wow thank you Gaffy! where did you find that record? Was there a image of it?
I’ve been searching for so long for Mary Ann, I am almost certain that will be her since the dates and names all match up and because Teevan is quite a rare surname.
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It was just a transcription, frustratingly I can't see a civil birth record - assuming birth was shortly before baptism and albeit that registration had just begun and I imagine there was a significant gap in uptake - and I can't see other children for a couple with those names (or variants), or a marriage.
Given the location (ie. the proximity of Roundwood and Knockadreet), I imagine you could be right about Patrick and Elizabeth being connected to John and Elizabeth.
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Which website are you using to find the records?
I know when Mary Ann married in Scotland in 1884 at the age of 20, her mother recorded as "Bessie" Teeven was recorded as being deceased, I wonder if there is a death record for her in Ireland between the years 1864 and 1884 as I can't seem to find any mention of her in Scotland.
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Only 3 Teeven
Death of JOHN TEEVEN in 1877
Group Registration ID N/R
SR District/Reg Area Belfast
Deceased Age at Death 0
Returns Year 1877
Returns Quarter 2
Returns Volume No 6
Returns Page No 290
Death of JAMES TEEVEN in 1898
Group Registration ID 4278625
SR District/Reg Area Belfast
Deceased Age at Death 18
Death of JOHN TEEVEN in 1901
Group Registration ID 3450220
SR District/Reg Area Belfast
Deceased Age at Death 82
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3 Teven
Death of MARY TEVEN in 1896
Group Registration ID 4102568
SR District/Reg Area Belfast
Deceased Age at Death 17
Death of PATRICK TEVEN in 1902
Group Registration ID 4456292
SR District/Reg Area Belfast
Deceased Age at Death 54
Death of MARY TEVEN in 1911
Group Registration ID 3569437
SR District/Reg Area Belfast
Deceased Age at Death 62
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could it be that her death may have been recorded under her married name of McInrue? (or a variant of that name since it seems to be spelt so many different ways)
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Which website are you using to find the records?
I know when Mary Ann married in Scotland in 1884 at the age of 20, her mother recorded as "Bessie" Teeven was recorded as being deceased, I wonder if there is a death record for her in Ireland between the years 1864 and 1884 as I can't seem to find any mention of her in Scotland.
Hi, I've pm'ed you.