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Looking for this family beyond 1881 if sks can help me please
James GLOAG Head M Male 48 Newton Heath, Lancashire, England Coach Builder
Mary Ann GLOAG Wife M Female 45 Manchester, Lancashire, England House Wife
William GLOAG Son U Male 18 Manchester, Lancashire, England Apprentice To Coach Building
Ada GLOAG Daughter Female 11 Manchester, Lancashire, England Scholar
Harriet A. GLOAG Daughter Female 8 Manchester, Lancashire, England
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Hi Old Boy - is beyond before or after 1881? :P
1891: RG12/3165 96 37
1871: RG10/4050 95 8
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Sorry before i:e 1871, 61, 51, 41 pretty please
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And 1891, 1901 please
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Here's 1851 quickly - folio and page number are unreadable :(
HO107/2231
Newton, Lancashire
6 Newton Place
John Gloag, head, 50, Designer ** Calico?
Harriet, wife, 40
James, son, 16?, Cabinet Maker
Mary, dau, 16, Silk (something)
Richard, son, 13?, Card Cuffer for Silk
Jane, dau, 11, scholar
John, son, 6, scholar
Harriet, dau, 5, scholar
Sarah, dau, 2
The image is very bad - birthplaces unreadable I'm afraid.
Going offline now - if someone else wants to continue ... otherwise I'll be back later :)
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1841 Prestwich Cum Oldham
Goats Gate - Pilkington
Harriet Gloag 25 born in county
James Gloag 9 born in county
Jane Gloag 1 born in county
Janet Gloag 65 born scotland
John Gloag 35 ? ? Printer born scotland
Mary Gloag 7 born in county
Richard Gloag 4 born in county
HO107/548
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1861 Newton Heath - other family members
Jones Terrace
Harriet Gloag 13 Silk winder born newton heath
Harriet Gloag 49 born newton heath
Jane Gloag 21 Silk winder born whitefield
John Gloag 60 Pattern designer born scotland
John Gloag 16 Marker up born whitfield
Richard Gloag 22 Tin plate worker born whitefield
Sarah Gloag 10 Scolar born newton heath
RG9/2966 F: 7 P: 7
Cant see a james yet ;)
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I think James married in 1858 to a mary ann taylor in manchester
Thanks for all your doing
Steve
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1861
Not sure on this one :-\ - could well be a spelling error cloag/clegg
Emma Blomley 21 lodger
Samuel Blomley 24 lodger
James Clegg 28 Cabinet maker
John Clegg 1 6 Mo
Mary Ann Clegg 25
RG9/2959 F: 5 P: 3
Will check later - 1871 may resolve it with the son John - tea time now ;D
Ken
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Indeed there's a John :D
1871
RG10/4050 95 8
Manchester
256 Thornton St
James Gloag, head, 38, Cabinet Maker, b. Whitefield
Mary Ann, wife, 36, at home, b. Manchester
John, son, 11, school, b. do.
William, son, 10, school, b. do.
Ada, dau, 1, b. do.
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1891
RG12/3165 96 37
Ardwick
38 Green Place
4 rooms occupied
James Gloag, head, 57, Cabinet maker, b. Whitefield
Martha A, wife, 30, Machinist quilter?, b. Staley Bridge
Harriet A, dau, 17, ditto, b. Manchester
Emily Tinker, sister in law, wid, 32, Retired machinist, b. Staley Bridge
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Nice one Tati
On to the marriage -
Old boy you were right
James Gloag did marry Mary Ann Taylor in 1858 (Q4 - 8d - 389 - Manchester)
Ken
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Thanks for all you both have done
can i be cheeky and ask what happened to james parents
Harriet and John after 1861
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Also my William gloag from 1881 married a Mary and went on to have 5 children by 1901
would you please help me find him in 1891
i know i'm being very cheeky but i have no access to census while out of work
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The Gloag family in Scotland bought out the bus services and set up Stagecoach. Made a fortune.
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maybe i'm onto something but knowing my luck it will be a different family same name ;) :)
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I wish to thank those who helped me today with this topic and i no longer want to be cheeky so no more lookups thanks for all you have done for me you don't know how gratefull i am
good hunting to you all god bless Steve ;D
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Which are you really meaning to say? :D
i no longer want to be cheeky
or
no more lookups
We don't mind doing look-ups!! :D
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Cheeky i am but you have done enough for me so no more you have enough to do on your own trees
thanks again Steve
i just found who william married so getting there
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You dont stop lookups when on a roll ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
To answer your other questions
James parents they "Died" ;D - this question is a lot easier said than found
Willaim 1891
39 Gresham st, Openshaw
Ada Gloag 20 Sister Stay trimmer
Bertha Gloag 3 mth
Mary Elizabeth Gloag 27
William Gloag 29 Coach B maker
William Gloag 3
Coach B Maker could be a interesting connection to the bus company in Scotland
Ken
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Opps me again ;)
You may find this site interesting
http://www.burialrecords.manchester.gov.uk/
You will find loads of Gloags buried in Philips park cemetery - The sad thing they charge you for the grave details >:(
I am forever going to Philips park and if you manage to sort out which are yours just let me know and I will check to see if any headstones remain and photograph them.
Ken
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Ken & Tati Thanks again from bmd looks like harriet died 1890 but not positive
but no trace john your both great and i can't thank you both enough
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Death Mary Ann Gloag
Sep 1881 age 45
Prestwich 8d 199
2nd marriage James Gloag
Sep 1884 Chorlton 8c 860
James Gloag - Martha Ann Clifford
Death James Gloag
Dec 1897 age 55
Chorlton 8c 514
(Chorlton registration district covers Ardwick. ge is out but I can't see any other candidate for this death)
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no trace john
Wrong! ;)
1891
RG12/3178 35 17
Openshaw, Lancashire
2 Middlewood Street?
John Gloag ,head, 32, Gas Fitter, b. Newton Heath W Manchester
Ellen ,wife, 30, Weaver Cotton, b. Edgehill Liverpool
John, son, 2, b. Openshaw
Mary Elizabeth, dau, 7, scholar, b. do.
Hannah, dau, 1, b. do.
Elenor, dau, 5, scholar, b. do.
Age a bit out but I wouldn't be surprised if this was him in 1881:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=10823279
RG11/4009 79 14
Marriage John Gloag - Ellen Grace Sep 1881 Prestwich 8d 434
There is a possible death for him but I can't check - can't see any of them in 1901!
Death John Gloag
March quarter 1901 age 42
Chorlton 8c 508
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Darn it :( Tati beat me to it
James death and buried in Philips park.
Got to luv ya & leave ya now - going to MS group meeting in Bury now.
Old Boy - hope this keeps you busy for a bit :)
Regards
Ken
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Sorry Ken :-\ Have a nice evening! :D
William in 1901
RG13/3679 127 28
South Manchester
49 Charles St
William Gloag, head, 39, Coach Body Maker
Mary E, wife, 37
William, son, 13, Errand Boy
Bertha, dau, 10
Mary E, dau, 7
Harriet, dau, 5
James, son, 10 mo
All born Manchester
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Tati
that great the 1901 gloag family you gave me is my missing link mary eliz age 7 is my mother in laws mother who married william morris but not sure when i need to speak to her now for the morris's from wales oh no i need a drink
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That's great, Old Boy 8) 8)
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I can't see a death for John Gloag sr for now but this should be his wife:
March quarter 1890 Manchester 8d 256
Harriet Gloag age 78
Now to find her on census ...
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1881:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=10789346
RG11/4003 48 4
1871
RG10/4057 111 26
Newton, Lancashire
236 Oldham Rd
John Yates, head, 35, Maker up, b. Newton
Mary, wife, 36, b. Whitefield
Emily, dau, 1 m, b. Newton
Harriet Gloag, mother in law, wid, 59, b. Newton Heath
Harriet Gloag, sister in law, unm, 23, Weaver, b. Newton
Think I've found John sr's death too 8)
Dec 1866 Manchester 8d 258
John Gloage age 61
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Tati Hello again and thanks again this is getting beyond my wildest dreams :D :D
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Another stray ;)
Sarah Gloag, daughter of John and Harriet ...
birth December 1848 Manchester 20 626
Sarah Walker Gloag
Marriage March 1871 Manchester 8d 496
Sarah Walker Gloag - Alexander Pollock
Badly mistranscribed in 1881 :P
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=2701980
RG11/3402 81 20
Shout if you want 1871, 1891 and 1901 for them :)
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Thanks again Tati i will take anything you throw at me
:o :o ;D
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Getting wild indeed ;D ;D
1871
RG10/4050 101 19
Manchester, Lancashire
160 Hamilton Street
Alexander Pollock, head, 22, Coach Maker, b. Manchester
Sarah, wife, 22, Machinist, b. do.
1891
RG12/3246 48 10
Manchester
6 Sheridan Street
4 rooms occupied
Alexander Pollock, head, 40, Coach Body Maker, b. Manchester
Sarah, wife, 39, Suit Finisher, b. do.
Florrie, dau, 17, Trouser Finisher, b. do.
Nellie, dau, 13, General Servant domestic, b. do.
Annie, dau, 11, scholar, b. Derbyshire Derby
Emily, dau, 8, scholar, b. do.
May, dau, 6, scholar, b. do.
1901
RG13/3759 71 27
North Manchester
11 Lancaster
4 rooms occupied
Alexander Pollock, head, 53, Coach Maker, b. Lancs (can't read)
Sarah, wife, 53, b. do.
Nellie, dau, 23, Tailoress, b. do.
Emily, dau, 18, Tailoress, b. Derbyshire Derby
May, dau, 16, Milliner, b. do.
Death Dec 1908
Sarah Walker Pollock age 59
Prestwich 8d 261
Anyone else we've forgotten? :D
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My head is spinning now, got hosp appointment so off for a couple of hours thanks again this is great news
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Good luck! :) :)
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Amazing Tati - you must really be a robot I think ;D ;D
Old Boy
With all these road names you might just find some photos of them on this website.
http://www.images.manchester.gov.uk/
Ken
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;D
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thanks very much all ok at hosp
now to get my head round this lot
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Hi Old Boy
Have you any idea what religion the Gloag clan were? - I am going to Philips Park in a couple of days to look for another family but will keep eye open for yours as well.
Ken.
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Ken, I don't but thanks for the message and for looking but please don't waste your time you have enough to do.
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Just to add one sibling we haven't investigated ...
Richard born ca. 1837...
1881:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=10708068
RG11/3986 66 19
Richard and wife are both from Lancashire but I see their eldest son was born in London...
Possible Marriage:
Richard Gloag - Sarah A Jones
June 1866 Shoreditch 1c 298
Death Sep 1899 Manchester 8d 198
Richard Gloag age 62
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Tati & Ken don't know how you do it but thanks :D
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John Yates, head, 35, Maker up, b. Newton
Mary, wife, 36, b. Whitefield
Emily, dau, 1 m, b. Newton
Harriet Gloag, mother in law, wid, 59, b. Newton Heath
Harriet Gloag, sister in law, unm, 23, Weaver, b. Newton
Changed my mind about going in a couple of days - You dont turn your nose up at a warm DRY sunny day in England at the moment.
old boy promise I have not gone out to look for your rellies. The one I went looking for has gone :( the way of most, in the cemetery "vanished in a puff of smoke"
But i did come across 2 stones with Gloag on - this first one is 100% yours - the other is just a name on a stone.
Ken
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I luv what I do and would go miles out of my way to get an answer, so dont be suprised if more photos pop up in the future in this posting - Gloag is now in the memory bank ;D
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no trace john
Wrong! ;)
1891
RG12/3178 35 17
Openshaw, Lancashire
2 Middlewood Street?
John Gloag ,head, 32, Gas Fitter, b. Newton Heath W Manchester
Ellen ,wife, 30, Weaver Cotton, b. Edgehill Liverpool
John, son, 2, b. Openshaw
Mary Elizabeth, dau, 7, scholar, b. do.
Hannah, dau, 1, b. do.
Elenor, dau, 5, scholar, b. do.
Age a bit out but I wouldn't be surprised if this was him in 1881:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=10823279
RG11/4009 79 14
Marriage John Gloag - Ellen Grace Sep 1881 Prestwich 8d 434
There is a possible death for him but I can't check - can't see any of them in 1901!
Death John Gloag
March quarter 1901 age 42
Chorlton 8c 508
L/cpl john gloag
1st manchesters
2226
age 26
killed in action 27-12-1914
son of john+ellen gloag,14 kay st,ashton old rd,openshaw
buried in lillers communal cemetery
grave ref III.B.16
pte leonard gloag
2/9th manchesters
enlisted jan 1916
landed in france late 1916
303021
age 19
killid in action 19-11-1917
son of john,t+martha,e gloag,48A buckley st,manchester
still listed as missing,named on tyne cot memorial
mack
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Gosh, I love this thread! 8)
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I second that Tati ;D
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Found this on familysearch - think it is the robert on the grave.
They come from the same areas, same type of work. but will hold judgment for a while
1881 census
Richard GLOAG Head M Male 42 Whitefield Tin Plate Worker
Sarah Ann GLOAG Wife M Female 43 Newton Heath Silk Winder
Robert GLOAG Son U Male 14 London, London, Middlesex, England Tin Plate Maker
Sarah Ann GLOAG Daur U Female 10 Manchester Scholar
Geo. John GLOAG Son U Male 11 London, London, Middlesex, England Scholar
Walter GLOAG Son U Male 4 Manchester
RG11 /3986 f: 66 P: 19
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Snap, Ken ;D
I was just a little confused that his birth was registered as plain Robert Gloag but he marries as Robert Guest Gloag ... (2 marriages: 1894 to Annie and then again 1898 to Maria J Owens)
Will try and explore 1901 ... :D
edit: Can't find them :(
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Tati
Might be a long shot on this, but did a search on people leaving the UK and found on the findmypast site :-\
GLOAG R M 1901 Liverpool USA Boston
GLOAG F 1901 Liverpool USA Boston
I do not have credit on this site - but I have PM'd Liverpool annie to see she has access to any passenger lists.
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That long shot paid off ;D
Left a posting on the USA forum, agnes1896 & Aghodowey replied
It is Robert and Maria - check out the link
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,247239.0.html
Ken
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How great !! Head spinning again, Old Boy? 8)
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http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/pt/person.aspx?tid=468253&pid=-2079303229
also the person with Robert on there tree
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01sb/
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You lot never stops amazing me
One quick question if i may (here we go again )
Could Henry fingleton be the father of Annie fingleton who married robert guest gloag in 1894 (See page 3 grave stones)
:o :o :D Steve
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Let me introduce myself -- I'm Rob Welbourn, and I have Robert Guest Gloag in my tree. Ken found my tree on Ancestry and contacted me.
I can identify the people in the second gravestone photo on page 3 of this thread.
Elizabeth (b. 1856), Emma (b. 1861) and Annie Fingleton (b. 1870) were the daughters of Mary Ann Langley and Henry Fingleton. Mary Ann's age on the gravestone looks wrong to me -- she would have been about 67, not 63, as the censuses show her to have been born in about 1830, and she married in 1851.
Surviving members of the family appear to have emigrated to Rhode Island in the early 1900s. Henry and daughter Ada moved there sometime after Ada's marriage in 1902 to William Henry Draper. Yes, Ada was the sister of Henry's first wife Emma. It was illegal at the time for someone to marry their deceased wife's sister, but it certainly happened (one of my forbears did the same thing). The Draper family, too, decamped to Rhode Island.
Now things start getting quite tangled. Another of the Fingleton sisters, Mary Ellen, who was the eldest (b. 1852), married John Owens in 1872 in Manchester. Soon after Mary Ellen died in 1904, John and their family moved to Rhode Island. Their eldest daughter, Maria Jane B Owens (b. 1873), had become Robert Guest Gloag's second wife in 1898, marrying in Barton-on-Irwell registration district. In other words, Robert married his late wife's niece, who was three years younger than her aunt.
Back to the Drapers. William Henry Draper managed to have 16 children during the course of three marriages. (There was one marriage before the Fingleton sisters), most of whom appear to have ended up in Rhode Island. One child, Raymond (b. 1900), married my relative Edith Olive Hird. The Hird family immigrated to Rhode Island in around 1882, from Bradford, Yorkshire.
So that's my connection to this tangled mess of Fingletons and Gloags.
Rob
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Hi Rob
Welcome to rootschat ;D
Credit for finding your tree has to go to fellow rootchatter agnes1896
Regards
Ken
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Hi Rob
Nice to have some one who can make sense of all this, my connection to all this is through the gloag family starting with Mary elizabeth b1894 Who married William morris b c1894 , they married 1919in prestwich manchester they are my wife's grandparents and so it goes on.
This has really battered my head over the last few days but with some great help from Tati, Ken and others i am slowly getting a bit sorted
Cheers Steve
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Hi Rob, and welcome :) :)
There's one question I'd like to ask you - we haven't proven how Robert Guest Gloag connects to Steve's Gloag family: Do you know whose son Robert Guest Gloag was? :)
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From the 1881 and 1891 censuses, it is fairly clear: Robert Gloag, b. 1867 in London, was the son of Richard Gloag, a tin plate worker, b. c. 1838 in Whitefield, Lances, and Sarah Ann, b. c. 1837 in Manchester, a silk winder. His siblings were: George John, b. c. 1869 in London, Sarah Ann b. c. 1870 in Manchester, and Walter, b. c. 1876 in Manchester.
It looks like Richard and Sarah Ann married in Shoreditch in 1866. Here's a snip from the FreeBMD entry:
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1866 (>99%)
GLOAG Richard Shoreditch 1c 298
JONES Sarah A Shoreditch 1c 298
Middleton Sarah Shoreditch 1c 298
Newman James Shoreditch 1c 298
I'm betting she was Sarah Ann Jones, rather than Sarah Middleton.
From the 1861 census we can see that Richard was the son of John Gloag, b. c. 1800 in Scotland, who married Harriet. (Couldn't find the marriage, though). In 1841 we can see Janet Gloag, b. c. 1785 in Scotland, living with the family -- possibly John's mother?
Rob
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OK, you've worked along the same lines then :D
I was just wondering where the Guest came from, given he wasn't registered as Robert Guest Gloag. :)
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Hi Tati
I may have the reason for the "Guest" being missing from the register.
Found this entry in Q4 1866
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Well, what can I say!! 8) 8) Wish my tree was growing as quickly!
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Oh my brain hurts now on this :P
Done a bit more thinking "Outside the box" again ouch-uch-ouch :'(
Who the hell would call a child "Guest" - my thinking now, his middle name was after someone else. So went looking.
1861 I have one possible, living in Chorlton upon Medlock, a Charles Guest Norris (6) and he was born in Prestwich. Prestwich & Whitefield are next to each other.
I will not add to the confusion any more, they may be cousins or family friends - we will never know :( unless someone wants to look for a Norris connection ;D
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My question is: what was the maiden name of John Gloag's wife Harriet, and when/where did they marry?
They don't appear to be in the IGI.
Rob
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er.
1891 census:
RG12/3850 92 85 Rotherham -
Civil Parish: Kimberworth
Address: Fenham House
HATERSHON John M Head M M 67 Jp For Borough Of Rotherham Yorkshire - Rotherham Steel Manufacturer
HATERSHON Lydia Wife M F 66 Yorkshire - Rotherham
GLOAG Sarah Dau M F 39 do.
HATERSHON Lydia H Dau S F 37 do.
HATERSHON Mathew J Son S M 35 Steel Manufacturer do. HATERSHON Arthur Son S M 33 Iron Founder do.
GLOAG Kenneth A Grnson S M 3 Yorkshire - Woodhouse
HATERSHON Elizabeth B Sister S F 63 Living On Her Own Means Yorkshire - Rotherham
CLAYTON Annie Servnt S F 24 Housemaid Domestic do. SHENTALL Margaret E Servnt S F 24 Cook Domestic do.
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Marriage John Gloag - Ellen Grace Sep 1881 Prestwich 8d 434 / can't see any of them in 1901!
Bonjour tout ;D
How about this one ?...(with a few more children)....
1901
Chorlton RG13/3680 Folio 131 Page 18
Ellen Gloag Head Widow 39 Lancs Liverpool
John do Son S 12 *
Mary Elizabeth do Daur S 17 Cap Maker *
Eleanor do Daur S 15 Cap Cutter *
Annie (sic) do Daur S 11 *
Edith do Daur S 9 *
Maud Alice do Daur S 6 *
Emily do Daur S 4 *
Beatrice May do Daur S 1 *
222 South Street, Ardwick (Openshaw St Barnabas & St Luke)
*All birth places are dittoed down from Ellen and therefore showing incorrectly as Liverpool. The last four children's births were all registered in Chorlton District and so their actual birth place is probably Openshaw as it was on the 1891 census for the older children.
This might tie up one loose end ;D
DS ;)
ps Indexed as Clogg ::)
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I just knew it, DS! ;) ;D
My question is: what was the maiden name of John Gloag's wife Harriet, and when/where did they marry?
They don't appear to be in the IGI.
Rob
Might be worth posting a new request - not sure how many potential helpers are still with us here on page 5 :P
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Hi Tati
After what you said on Steve’s other thread I felt honour bound ;D
It took a while, mind :-\
Best wishes
DS ;)
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Another grave found - will upload photo later :)
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Richard & Sarah
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I must admit by now i am under severe presure now and all i can say is a massive thankyou to all of you for all this info
Steve ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Its Nothing Steve - Just a little bit to keep you going for a while
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
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Hi Ken
i spent yesterday afternoon with my mother-in-law and she was really suprised with all i told her and now want to visit the graves
now we've done it she now wants me to trace her father william morris who married mary eliz gloag (no it cant Happen to me i will crack up under pressure :-\ ::) :o :'()
Steve with wierd welsh rellies
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Just a quick but very big thankyou to all who helped me on this thread no going to complete it
Steve
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Very welcome! I'm sure we all hope you start another one soon 8) ;D
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I have started a can of worms on another thread relating to my g.g dad ??? my head hurts now
Tati i can't thank you enough you have been a dream for me and ken as well anything i can do i will bend over backwards to help
Steve xx
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Going to be spending half a day tomorrow in Philips park helping another Rootschatter http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,248516.0.html so will keep an eye out :P
The one with a camera/paper/pen will be me ;)
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Ken i you were female i would kiss you but here's a big hand shake from me
Cheers mate :) ;) Steve the happiest man in lancs
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hi, my late father was William Morris born 25th Jan 1923 in or around openshaw Manchester , his mother was Mary Elizabeth Gloag born in Perth Scotland and his father was William Morris whos family came from Welshpool in Wales . my fathers siblings were Edward , Ronald , Mary , Lily , Elsie . my father had a aunty Bertha ,Harriett, and I know he had an uncle Ned I think he was on his fathers side . I also know that my great grandmother was Mary Elizabeth Gloag born Barnes . I don't have many dates as I have only just started to trace back but someone on here I think he calls himself old boy is looking to trace Morris family from Wales and I think its my family but I don't know how to contact him . can anyone help please .
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Hi dalavich,
Rootschat rules don't allow anyone to post details of people still living, so the moderators will edit your message to remove details of those who may still be alive, unless you can modify your post first.
The forum member you want to contact should see your message when he next looks at his emails, providing he has set things up so he is informed of further posts on this topic. The best way to exchange more recent family info will be by personal message, but you need to have made three posts before it becomes possible to do this.
If you just respond to this, that should do the trick.
Best wishes,
Joney
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hi Joney , many thanks for your advice .
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Ok, so now you can click on 'old boy' and see when this forum member was last on this site. You should be able to send a personal message now as well.
Good luck with your research,
Joney
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thank you so much Joney ,,,
kind regards x
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Hi and thanks for the contact
the gloag family are on my wife side it is her mum Elsie Morris who is Mary eliz gloags dau I will give you details of what I have found out but this will be over a few days as work is very busy at this time of year