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I have tried for a considerable time to locate the birth and death of James Farrington who married Susannah Clarke of Sawtry on 25 June, 1804 in Winwick. He does not appear in the 1841 census, and Susannah appears up to the 1861 census as a widow.
If a kind soul were to come across the birth or death of James I should be very appreciative.
Alex
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Hi Alex
Do you have Susannah in 1841? Winwick seems to be missing from Ancestry, and my Cdrom which includes this parish appears to be damaged.
David
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Yes, David, Susannah does appear in the census returns up to 1861 as I said. She is there in 1841, 1851 and 1861. I have had no trouble in finding her when I visited the Huntingdon Record Office, but I could not trace James beyond the marriage in 1804. His birth and death remain a mystery!
Alex
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Hi
The IGI has this as a possible for James birth...
James Godfrey Farrington
26 Aug 1770 Gt Gransden-Huntingdon
Mother Elizabeth
Its quite possible that James was born elsewhere although he married in Winwick.
It was common practice to get married in the parish of the bride
Jane
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Hi Alex
Winwick burials are not on the NBI, which is odd, and the parish register burials which have been filmed by the LDS only go up to 1812, which is strange as baptisms and marriages go much later. I wonder if the burial register has been lost, although the BTs seem to be fairly intact, at least up to 1837. Have you looked at the BTs for a possible burial?
I assume he had children, presumably in Winwick as Susannah stayed there. When was the last of them baptised? I don't suppose he did anything really helpful like calling one of them Godfrey?
There are only 7 Farrington marriages in Hunts 1754-1837, and the first four up to 1781 were all in Gt Gransden. Yours was the only James.
There's a baptism on the BVRI of a James Godfrey Farrington at Gt Gransden on 26 Aug 1770, mother Elizabeth Farrington so presumably he was illegitimate, with a possible as to his father. There's no burial of a James Farrington in Gt Gransden, and no marriage. The age would fit with Susannah's age, but proving it's the same James is a different matter altogether, particularly as Winwick was on the border with Northants, so it's possibly more likely that he was from Northants than Gt Gransden which is 20 miles from Winwick.
More questions than answers I'm afraid
Regards
David
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Hunts Marriage Index has them both as otp, and as Susannah gives her birthplace in censuses as Sawtry it seems as though neither of them was from Winwick. Perhaps one or both was working there when they married - but as Susannah died there presumably they acquired legal settlement in Winwick. A look in the parish chest might show if there was a settlement certificate
David
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Hello Jane,
Thank you for your suggestion. Yes, I am aware that James may well have married away from his own parish, but in this case so did the bride Susannah who was born in Sawtry. I have seen her birth certificate at the Huntingdon record office. Yes, it is possible James may have come from Gt. Gransden, but I cannot be sure that James is the same James who married at Winwick as I cannot find evidence to link Winwick to Gt. Gransden.
Alex
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Hello David,
Thank you for your helpful comments.
Yes, they had several children including James whom I have traced down to the present, but alas no Godfrey, which I agree would have been a useful pointer to Gt. Gransden.
It is difficult to prove the connection between Winwick and Gt. Gransden; and it is interesting that they married at Winwick whereas Susannah came from Sawtry although they are close.
The family remained in Winwick for over a century after that.
Alex
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Dear All,
Just to let you know that we [Huntingdonshire Family History Society] will soon be issuing a CD of the Winwick Parish Registers up to the year 2000 and the MIs + coloured photos of the church etc. The final burials are being checked at the moment.
Several registers, including the burials from 1813 are still in the church, but by using a digital camera, were able to complete the register transcription in June 2008.
Keep your eyes out for the CD on our bookstall at www.huntsfhs.org.uk very soon. It will be advertised in our journal "The Huntsman" in this November's issue.
Mike Stephenson [Hunts FHS]
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Thank you to Steerpike for that useful note about a CD on Winwick records.
I have not found the birth or burial of James Farrington who married Susannah Clarke on 25th June, 1804 in Winwick, Huntingdonshire. I noticed recently that the two witnesses to the marriage ceremony were Simon Peake and Robert Hilson. The Peake family are well represented on the register because of their baptisms and marriages, but chiefly because John Peake was the parish clerk.
Robert Hilson, however, did not appear elsewhere and is more significant as a possible friend of James Farrington. I noticed Robert Hilson was connected to Sawtry, St Judith, and another Robert Hilson, possibly his father was born in Roxburghshire.
Can anyone throw any light on the Hilson family in Sawtry, Huntingdonshire? Is Robert Hilson a clue to the origin of James Farrington?
Alex
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I have just looked at our transcription of the burial registers still held in Winwick church (1813 - 2000) and there are several Farrington/ Farringdon burials, the last in 1990.
I will log those up to 1924 in case they are of use.
1) John Farrington bur 9 Apr 182 aged 12 weeks
2) Susan Farringdon bur 22 Feb 1863 aged 85.
3) Frederick Farringdon bur 14 Aug 1864 aged 1y 9m
4) Ann Rebecca Farrington bur 4 May 1881 aged 26
5) Susan Farringdon bur 12 Apr 1884 aged 25 days
6) Mary Farrington bur 2 Dec 1884 aged 68
7) James bur 10 Aug 1894 aged 83
8) Elizabeth Ellen bur 17 May 1898 aged 14
9) Rebecca bur 4 Apr 1900 aged 79
10) Mabel Elizabeth bur 28 Apr 1900 aged 2m
11) Vincent Charles bur 1 Apr 1908 aged 1
12) Louisa bur 13 Oct 1921 aged 46
13) Thomas of Oundle bur 13 Nov 1922 aged 71
14 Sarah Elizabeth bur 12 Jan 1924 aged 66.
No Hilsons noted but in Huntingdon Marriage Index they seem to be around Stow Longa, Upton, Steeple Gidding and Catworth, all within a few miles of Winwick. Note that Winwick is on the border with Northants - in fact until quite recently several acres were in that county.
Best wishes,
Steerpike
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Thank you, Steerpike, for the list of burials. I wonder if someone else can throw any light on Robert Hilson who was a witness on 25th June, 1804 in Winwick to the marriage of James Farrington and Susannah Clarke of Sawtry.
Was Robert Hilson also from Sawtry? Or did he come from a nearby parish as Steerpike suggests may be a possibility as the name Hilson appears in other Huntingdon villages in the 1700s and later.
Alex
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I am answering one of my own questions and asking another. I discovered today in the new Huntingdon Record Office in the excellent 2008 edition of the BTs of baptisms, marriages and burials, the date of the burial of James Farrington in Winwick. It was on 12 December, 1835. The helpful Rector added the number 61, which puts his birth most likely in the year 1774. I am still unable to find the parish of his birth. Does anyone have access to parishes around Winwick and Sawtry? Is there any evidence of the birth or baptism of a James Farrington around 1774? He may, of course, have come to Huntingdonshire from another part of the country.
Alex
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Many Hunts parishes are only available at Hunts Records Office, which is where you were today!
The only burial on the NBI in that part of Hunts was Mary Ann Farrington at Sawtry on 30 Dec 1804, with no marriages at all. Does the 1804 burial entry give any clues as to whether she might be connected to James?
Which I suppose brings us back to the Gr Gransden James Farrington, of whom there is no trace in burials or marriages in Hunts, nor does he appear in censuses. But of course Winwick is on the county boundary with Northants, so it's possible he was from that county.
David
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Yes, the burial record for Mary Ann Farrington for 30 Dec 1804, who therefore only lived for a few weeks, does state clearly that she was the daughter of James and Susannah.
There is a burial of Elizabeth Paddington on 15 April, 1808 in the same Sawtry register, who is also recorded as the daughter of James and Susannah. That could well be a mistake for Farrington. Just afterwards is written: Sent to visitation.
However, I do not see how this helps to find the birth of the father. He was most probably born in 1774 as he died in Winwick in 1835 aged 61, but he is not recorded as born in Sawtry or Winwick.
He may well have come from another county. I note that a Samuel Farrington born in Haslington, Cheshire, married Ann Mercer in 1845 in Ringstead, Northants, and they ran the Swan Inn at Thrapston. It may be that James Farrington was born in another county in 1774. He may also have been born in a parish near Sawtry or Winwick.
I am looking at any clues about connections with surrounding areas. For example, his daughter Mary born in Sawtry in 1814 married Samuel Beasley and they lived at Crowland.
Any other ideas will be much appreciated.
Alex
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hi alex
james farrington
birth 1785 in sawtry
death 1841 in winwick age 56
spouse susanna clarke
son james farrington birth 1813
james is my great great great great grandad.
james farrington
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James
I am delighted to read your message. Please write again privately to
my own address and let me know what your line is back to James Farrington.
AS
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hi alex
james farrington
birth 1785 in sawtry
death 1841 in winwick age 56
spouse susanna clarke
son james farrington birth 1813
james is my great great great great grandad.
James
How have you arrived at those dates? According to the Winwick register he died in
1835 at the age of 61 which would put his birth in 1774?
AS
james farrington
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BURIAL AT Winwick12.12.1835,James Farrington aged61
also susan farringdon22.2.1863, aged 85.
Margaret.
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Agreed, Magslote. I queried James' date that his ancestor James Farrington died in Winwick in 1841.
You are correct; it was in 1835, aged 61, as I wrote before.
AS
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David
I am so sorry that I am only now returning to your question after seven years! I had thought this matter had been completed! I have searched for James on and off over the years, and I have traced his death in Winwick in 1835 aged 61. This puts his birth in 1774. However, I have searched diligently for a James Farrington born around that time but so far I have not found a convincing person who fits well.
Regarding your question, yes his widow is on the 1841 census with two sons, Thomas and James.
In 1851 she is living with Thomas and his wife Rebecca. In 1861 she was alone, and died in
1863 aged 85. Her maiden name was Goode, born in Sawtry. She remained throughout in Winwick.
Regards,
Alex
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David
I am so sorry that I am only now returning to your question after seven years! I had thought this matter had been completed! I have searched for James on and off over the years, and I have traced his death in Winwick in 1835 aged 61. This puts his birth in 1774. However, I have searched diligently for a James Farrington born around that time but so far I have not found a convincing person who fits well.
Regarding your question, yes his widow is on the 1841 census with two sons, Thomas and James.
In 1851 she is living with Thomas and his wife Rebecca. In 1861 she was alone, and died in
1863 aged 85. Her maiden name was Goode, born in Sawtry. She remained throughout in Winwick.
Regards,
Alex
Please note I am correcting one point I made above. I wrote that Susannah's maiden name was Goode. It was not. Her name was Clarke. 1778-1863. Her mother was Elizabeth Goode born in Sawtry in 1749.
AS
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Alex purchased the sawtry all saints c/d since my last post.I found.
bapts mary d james and susanah.10.12.1804
also same parents,
james bapt 6.6.1811.
mary 20.1.1814.
burial mary anne da of above 30.12.1804
KILSON/HILSON
bapts william son of robert and alicia.24.4.1803 KILSON
also12.12.1813 elizabeth HILSON
1.1.1816 alice HILSON, dau of above,
there are many refs to Clarke please send any imfo on susan clarke.Margaret.
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Thank you, Magslote.
I am aware of the children of James and Susannah, and the early death of Mary Anne.
I have the details of Susannah's parents and grandparents.
I am grateful to you for spotting that Hilson was down as Kilson, and the reference
to Robert and Alice's daughter.
Robert Hilson was connected to Sawtry St Judith. Do you know any details about the records
of that ex-parochial parish? Are any available? As Robert was a witness at James' marriage ceremony it is quite possible James was from the same parish.
Alex
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Will try and find out about Sawtry St Judith registers, they may have joined with the 2 other Sawtry
Parishes.Margaret.