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Title: McGougan/McGugan family Lochgilphead
Post by: puppygirl on Monday 30 July 07 19:00 BST (UK)
I'm trying to find census entries from 1841 onwards to track the whereabouts of the McGougan/McGugan family of Lochgilphead or North Knapdale but despite spending a fortune on SP, I've had no success.
Details I did find - Archibald Mcgugan marries Flora/Flory Mclean. I've located their children from the OPR -
1817 Donald
1820 Archibald
1824 John
1826 Malcolm
That would make the sons, approx, 24, 21,17 and 15 on the 1841 Census, and I can find nothing to match, nor John Senior and Flora/Flory, searching both spellings of the surname, which seems to be interchangeable. Nor can I find anything for 1851.
I've located young John's marriage to Ann/Agnes Leitch in 1854 and have had no problems with following his line.
Any help on finding the other members of his family would be gratefully appreciated!
Title: Re: McGougan/McGugan family Lochgilphead
Post by: runningbear on Monday 30 July 07 19:28 BST (UK)
hi pal,

have you looked at the 1851 census ? could this be them ?

arinafadmore, north knapdale

angus (i think is alex)...age 73...crofter of 6 acres
flora...age 70
euphemia...age 34
archibald...age 31...acid work labouer


Joe
Title: Re: McGougan/McGugan family Lochgilphead
Post by: Thrall on Monday 30 July 07 19:32 BST (UK)
Hi Puppygirl, I hope you were not too precise with the ages, as in 1841 ages were most often rounded down for adults to end in five or ten, but not always.
If the family were all together, then it is possible that another spelling is blurring the issue, so delicate tries with all sorts of wildcard combinations will be needed. Sometimes, using the Ancestry.co.uk transcriptions can help, though some imagination is necessary to understand the "odd" entry here or there.
´Praps best to wait for the next free offer........ ;)

Guid hunting,

Thrall
Title: Re: McGougan/McGugan family Lochgilphead
Post by: Alecm on Monday 01 October 07 01:05 BST (UK)
I expect the family you are looking for left North Knapdale. They were one of many McGugan families in the area (#24 of 31 that I cannot connect). There were mass migrations in the 1840s and 50s.

24   Archibald McGugan & Flora McLean – Glensail
24.1   Donald: 1817, Nov. 2 - ?
24.2   Archibald: 1820, Jan. 16 - ?
24.3   John: 1824, April 3 - ?
24.4   Malcolm: 1826, May 27 - ?
Title: Re: McGougan/McGugan family Lochgilphead
Post by: mac54 on Sunday 10 February 08 22:37 GMT (UK)
Hi puppygirl;

Not sure if this helps but here goes.  I live in London (ontario, Canada) and my ancestors came from Knapdale in 1828 to Lobo Ontario, just outside of London. their names were Archie McGugan and Mary (Graham) Mcgugan. - family was John, Archie, Duncan, Flora, Sara, Margaret and Mary.  I believe there was another brother who immigrated about the same time to a neighbouring township. If I find more I'll let you know..

regards..........
Title: Re: McGougan/McGugan family Lochgilphead
Post by: hayleydoyle on Monday 03 May 10 17:58 BST (UK)
I am completely stumped with my line of McGugans.
I have margaret Mcgugan born 1849 approx to Neil Mcgugan. Wifes name is Catherine but cannot decipher the last name though looks like it's Mc something
Margaret went on to marry Thomas Evans in 1884...
I am completely stonewalled on this..any assistance would be much appreciated...
Title: Re: McGougan/McGugan family Lochgilphead
Post by: MonicaL on Monday 03 May 10 18:10 BST (UK)
Hi hayleydoyle

Welcome to RootsChat  :)

You don't say where your Margaret was born but could this be the family in 1851 - everyone born in Gigha:

Neil Mcgougan 48, Farmer Of 160 Acres Employing Two Lab
Catherine Mcgougan 45
Archibald Mcgougan 19
Marrion Mcgougan 18
Elizabeth Mcgougan 16
Barbara Mcgougan 10
Neil Mcgougan 8
Margaret Mcgougan 3
Augus Mcgougan 1
Malcom Smith 24, labourer

Address: South Drumchro, Gigha and Cara, Argyll

Monica
Title: Re: McGougan/McGugan family Lochgilphead
Post by: hayleydoyle on Monday 03 May 10 18:16 BST (UK)
not sure where my margaret was born but all "googles" seem to lead to Argyll
Margaret was married in Glasgow but does not say where she was born...this looks like it could very well be right family

thank you so much for your help!

Hayley
Title: Re: McGougan/McGugan family Lochgilphead
Post by: MonicaL on Monday 03 May 10 18:22 BST (UK)
Hi Hayley

Have you found Thomas and Margaret in the censuses following their marriage? The mother Catherine for this family looks to have a surname of Galbreath from IGI www.familysearch.org entries for the children (batch code for Gigha is C115374 for this period).

If mother's surname is not clear on Margaret's marriage entry, can you post that section on here and we can have a go at trying to determine what Catherine's maiden name was. If all esle fails, you can always contact Scotlands People on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/contactus/form.aspx?issue=24 and explain to them that you are having a problem reading something on the cert and they will send an enhanced image via emai to you for the section that is causing a problem.

Monica

Title: Re: McGougan/McGugan family Lochgilphead
Post by: hayleydoyle on Monday 03 May 10 18:35 BST (UK)
will do...i was visiting from Canada a couple of weeks ago and this was the last document I printed off in Edinburgh just as my time was screeching to a halt....will scan and post tonight...thanks again!

Hayley
Title: Re: McGougan/McGugan family Lochgilphead
Post by: MonicaL on Monday 03 May 10 18:47 BST (UK)
If you can crop just the section with Margaret's parents' details it would help (there are copyright issues with displaying the whole image here on RC  :)

Monica
Title: Re: McGougan/McGugan family Lochgilphead
Post by: hayleydoyle on Monday 03 May 10 19:09 BST (UK)
will do
Title: Re: McGougan/McGugan family Lochgilphead
Post by: hayleydoyle on Tuesday 04 May 10 03:59 BST (UK)
This are the details for the parents of Margaret McGugan. Margaret married thomas Evans in 1884 in Partick,Glasgow...cannot decipher mothers maiden name ???
Title: Re: McGougan/McGugan family Lochgilphead
Post by: MonicaL on Tuesday 04 May 10 09:12 BST (UK)
Hi Hayley

That looks promising  :) Catherine's surname is broken up on the letters but looks likely to me to have been Galbreath. The first two letters M.S. (where you thought it might be a Mc name) are actually an abbreviation of Maiden Surname. Then I think we have the start of Ga....

Certainly worth contacting SP on the link I gave you earlier to get a better sharper picture of it, but I would say likely we have her family in Gigha. Did Thomas and Margaret leave Scotland after their marriage? I tried looking for them in the later censuses but no joy.

Monica
Title: Re: McGougan/McGugan family Lochgilphead
Post by: puppygirl on Tuesday 04 May 10 19:52 BST (UK)
Good to see this McGougan/Guigan thread revived! I'm going to refresh my memory/research to see if I can add any more info.
Title: Re: McGougan/McGugan family Lochgilphead
Post by: hayleydoyle on Tuesday 04 May 10 21:15 BST (UK)
Hi again....no I don't believe they left Scotland. Thomas was 51 at the time of his marriage to Margaret. Margaret was 35 and his second wife. I see the M.S. there for gte maien name and I thought it was a Ga that followed but what thjrew mw off is if you look at the line above and look at the styling of the Mc on McGugan they look very similar...I am hoping it is Galbreath then I will be on a roll again....! ;D
Title: Re: McGougan/McGugan family Lochgilphead
Post by: MonicaL on Tuesday 04 May 10 22:45 BST (UK)
I found this entry in 1901 and wondered whether it could be Margaret and Thomas, although Margaret and Thomas seem to have shaved some years off their age!:

Thomas Evans 61, Shipyard Labourer b. Ireland
Margaret Evans 41 b. Inverary, Argleshire
Thomas Evans 22, Ship Yard Labourer b. Irealnd
Robert Evans 13, b. Partick
Margaret Evans    8 b. Partick
George Seivewright 21 boarder
John McHoy 20 boarder

Address: 52 Crawford St, Partick, Govan

There is also a death on SP for a Margaret McGugan Evans in 1943 (b. 1859 from her death age) in Partick. This might let you re-confirm her parents' details if there remains any doubts. Just concerned about the birth place we are seeing for Margaret above, would be good to get further confirmation but struggling to see them in 1891 at present.

Monica

Title: Re: McGougan/McGugan family Lochgilphead
Post by: hayleydoyle on Tuesday 04 May 10 23:36 BST (UK)
woohoo....based on the address I think you are spot on...I have Thomas Evans at various numbers on Crawford Street and neighbouring Clyde Street..looks like the right family ...gets confuding as we see different bith places from census to census....I need to thank you for all your help....I get so wrapped up in this stuff...it keeps me awake at night LOL ::)
Title: Re: McGougan/McGugan family Lochgilphead
Post by: hayleydoyle on Sunday 16 May 10 04:08 BST (UK)
Hi again
I received a rescan from Scotlansds People though not much clearer. I think the surnmae is McCarte...can't make out the rest
I found a listing for Neil McGugan married to Catherine McArther...wonnder if this is a spelling error on the marriage certificate...McCarther

Listing also shows a daughter Isabell born in Inverarey in 1867....time and place kinda match the census for Margaret born in Inverarey 1861...

what do you think?
Title: Re: McGougan/McGugan family Lochgilphead
Post by: MonicaL on Sunday 16 May 10 10:48 BST (UK)
Re-scanned image nothing like Gillespie for mother Catherine! So, not the family from Gigha.

I agree, McArthur is likely name (with McCarter and all the variants). There is only one other Neil and Catherine McGougan family, apart from the Gigha family.

These are these children showing on IGI to a John McGougan and Catherine McArthur:

1. MARY MCGOUGAN Birth: 06 SEP 1860 Cumlodden, Argyll
2. DUNCAN MCGOUGAN Birth: 08 OCT 1861 Cumlodden, Argyll
3. SARAH MCGOUGAN Birth: 14 OCT 1863 Cumlodden, Argyll
4. ISABELLA MCGOUGAN  Birth: 21 JAN 1866 Cumlodden, Argyll
5. JOHN MCGOUGAN Birth: 03 FEB 1872 Cumlodden, Argyll

From the 1861 Census:
    
Neil Mcgougan 43, Miner Of Nicol, b. Inverary, Argyleshire
Catherine Mcgougan 26 b. Kilmichael Par, Argyleshire
Catherine Mcgougan 3 b. Kilmichael Par, Argyleshire
Margaret Mcgougan 1 1/2 b. Uist, Inverness-Sh
Mary Mcgougan 7 Months
Duncan Mckellar 50, lodger, tailor b. Kilmichael Par, Argylesh
Mary Mckellar 49
Catherine Mckellar 13
Duncan Mckellar 12

Address: Auchindrain, Cumlodden Argyll

Can't easily see Catherine and Margaret's births on IGI. Parents only look to have married on 14 JUN 1860 Inveraray And Glenaray, Argyll (IGI).

Monica


Title: Re: McGougan/McGugan family Lochgilphead
Post by: MonicaL on Sunday 16 May 10 10:58 BST (UK)
1871 entry for this family:

Niel Mcgugan 52 Labourer In Powder Work
Catherine Mcgugan 36
Margaret Mcgugan 11 b. Uist, North
Mary Mcgugan 10
Duncan Mcgugan 9
Sarah Mcgugan 7
Isabella Mcgugan   5

Address: Achindrain, Cumlodden

Can't easily see Margaret in 1881, but these look to be her parents:

Neil McGugan 61, Powder Maker b. Inveraray
Catherine McGugan 46
John McGugan 9
Alexr Archd McGugan 4
Mary McArthur 70, mother in law b. Dalavich G, Argyllshire

Can't see where the 'farmer' comes in for father Neil  :-\ Also Margaret's age seems to jump about a bit. Certainly on her marriage entry, where she stated in 1889 she was 35 which would make her birth year c. 1854 rather than c. 1859/60 (unusual for a woman to add years to her age!).

Monica

Title: Re: McGougan/McGugan family Lochgilphead
Post by: MonicaL on Sunday 16 May 10 11:09 BST (UK)
Found now the 1891 entry for Thomas and Margaret, family transcribed as Erans:

Thos Erans 51 Ship Yard Labourer b. Ireland
Margt Erans 40 b. Inverary
Geo Erans 18 b. Ireland
Thos H Erans 12 b. Ireland
Susan S Erans 6 b. England
Robt J Erans 4 b. Partick

Address: 166 Castlebank St, Partick

What can I say about their ages again  ;D
Title: Re: McGougan/McGugan family Lochgilphead
Post by: hayleydoyle on Monday 17 May 10 01:53 BST (UK)
this definitely matches. On daughter MArgaret McAdam Evans bith certificate the place of birth is listed as 166------ street Patrick...I couldn't read it...now I can make it out!! Thanks so much :P
Title: Re: McGougan/McGugan family Lochgilphead
Post by: bracken56 on Friday 21 May 10 16:42 BST (UK)
I'm not sure if you are interested when Thomas Evans' died, but I've also been researching the McGugan/McGougan line and found his death certificate on SP during my research.

He died 15th Feb 1919 at 36 Crawford Street, Partick, Glasgow aged 83 years. Occupation: Ship Yard Labourer and Army Pensioner - first wife was Mary Moore and then McGuigan (their spelling - not mine). His parents: Matthew Evans (tailor) and Elizabeth Clark. Witness on the death certificate was R. Evans (son) of 7 Jordan Street, Whitewinch (??) (sorry hard to read)

I agree with Monica that Mary's mother's name was McArthur (spelt as MacArthur on death certificate) and that she died in 1943 in Partick, Glasgow. Her daughter Margaret is witness on the certificate.

Hope this helps.

I'm really stuck on Malcom McGugan (or McGougan) born c1840. It's nearly midnight here in Australia so I'll post some info on this site tomorrow and see if anyone may be able to help.

Regards, Sue

Title: Re: McGougan/McGugan family Lochgilphead
Post by: MonicaL on Friday 21 May 10 16:56 BST (UK)
Hi Sue

Welcome to RootsChat  :)

Great info! Look forward to your next post!

Monica
Title: Re: McGougan/McGugan family Lochgilphead
Post by: hayleydoyle on Saturday 22 May 10 03:12 BST (UK)
Thanks that's awesome.....I am having no luck identifying Neil McGugan's parentage...where does your Malcolm fit in?
Title: Re: McGougan/McGugan family Lochgilphead
Post by: MonicaL on Saturday 22 May 10 09:28 BST (UK)
Hi Hayley

Did you have a look at the image of the 1860 marriage for Neil and wife Catherine McArthur? If so, what were his parents' names?

Monica  :)
Title: Re: McGougan/McGugan family Lochgilphead
Post by: MonicaL on Saturday 22 May 10 09:36 BST (UK)
Ahh...so this is how they met! From 1851:

Neil Mcgugan 32, labourer, b. Inveraray, Argyll
John Mcgugan 9, nephew b. Inveraray, Argyll
Catherine Mcarthur 17, servant b. Kilmichael, Argyll

Address: Auchindrain, Inveraray, Argyll

Monica
Title: Re: McGougan/McGugan family Lochgilphead
Post by: bracken56 on Sunday 23 May 10 00:10 BST (UK)
Hi Monica & Hayley

Thanks for the feedback. I'm hoping someone may be able to help me with my  problem.

My McGugan/McGougan family are mainly from the Campbeltown area.

I've been trying to trace the parentage of Malcom McGugan/McGougan and what happened to Malcom after the birth of his son John in 1872.

John's birth certificate reads:
John McGougan (illegitimate) born 12th March 1872 at Fitchburn, Campbeltown. Parents: Malcom McGougan (fisherman) and Barbara McMillan (domestic servant).
Informant: Malcom McGugan (note now spelt McGugan)
Regs. 30/3/1872 at Campbeltown.

John's marriage to Margaret McArthur in 1893 in Campbeltown shows his parents as Malcolm McGougan (decd) - occupation now showing as Farm Servant.
Barbara McLean ms McMillan (decd).

John's death certificate in 1907 shows parents as Malcom McGougan (decd) - farm servant.

So Malcom/Malcolm was definitely his father but as no marriage took place, I can find no trace of him since the birth in 1872.

I'm pretty sure Barbara went on the marry John McLean in 1878 in Campbeltown and died there of typhoid fever in 1881.

Any help would be appreciated as I haven't been able to move forward on this lineage for years now.

Malcolm was my grt grt grandfather.

Bye from a cold and wet day in Australia.

Sue
Title: Re: McGougan/McGugan family Lochgilphead
Post by: MonicaL on Sunday 23 May 10 10:12 BST (UK)
Hi Sue

Always hard with illegitimate births isn't it to be certain on father's details  :-\ You are fortunate though that father Malcolm accepted paternity and registered birth which has given you a little bit of extra info to try to work with.

Having said that, I'm not seeing many potential candidates for him. There is this entry in 1871, not sure if you have seen it. One big problem though, as this Malcolm shows as married as at 1871:

Janet Martland 56, head
Mary Forrester 30, daughter
Janet Forrester 11, granddaughter
Maggie Forrester 9 granddaughter
Mary Forrester 6 granddaughter
Malcom Mcgougan 30, son in law, fisherman b. Campbeltown
Flora Mcgougan 28 daughter
Malcom Mcgougan 2 grandson

Address: High Street, Campbeltown

Malcolm McGougan and Flora Maitland married on 11 MAY 1869 in Campbeltown and I can see them in the censuses up to 1901, with Malcolm still showing as a fisherman. From what you have, Malcolm, the fisherman/farm servant showed as deceased by the time of son John's marriage in 1892.

Have you found any possible candidates for John's father?

Monica
Title: Re: McGougan/McGugan family Lochgilphead
Post by: bracken56 on Sunday 23 May 10 15:39 BST (UK)
Hi Monica

Thanks for your info. I did track the Malcolm married to Flora Maitland and he died in 1920 so definitely not him, as my Malcolm was showing as deceased when John married in 1893.

I thought he might have been the one born on Gigha in 1840 to Angus McGugan/Peggy McGeachie (mainly because the McGeachy surname is strong in our family) but they emigrated to America in 1871 - though I suppose Barbara may have been pregnant when they left.

The other one I keep coming back to for no particular reason is a Malcolm McGougan who died in 1874 whilst an able seaman. The certificate from the Marine Register on SP reads:
Statutory Deaths 020/MR 0016. Name of ship: "Parsee" Died 13th September 1874 aged 34 years. Cause of death: Fell from wharf. Nationality " Argyllshire. Member of crew.

My cousin Ian wrote to the Otago Times in New Zealand and they sent the following clipping which only confused us more with the spelling and also the fact they call him James from Ireland aged 27 at the end??


Otago Daily Times, Monday 14 September 1874: An accident which had a fatal result befel one of the seamen belonging to the ship Parsee on Saturday night. The man, whose name was Malcolm McGuiggan, went ashore 'on the spree' with some of his shipmates, and accompanied by one of them returned to his vessel very much the worse for liquor at about 10 o'clock. In attempting to get aboard over the gangway plank he missed his footing and went overboard, striking in his fall one of the ship's mooring chains. His mate at once gave the alarm and, aided by two or three other seamen belonging to the Taranaki, succeeded in rescuing McGuiggan from his perilous position and conveyed him on board his ship. He appeared to be very much exhausted and all but insensible and hence it was considered advisable to call in medical assistance. Dr Drysdale was summoned and was quickly in attendance and administered such remedies as were deemed requisite. The man seemed to rally under the treatment and when the doctor again visited him at between 2 and 3 o'clock next morning he appeared to be progressing favourably but during the forenoon unfavourable symptoms, indicating severe internal inflammation, set in, and increasing in intensity during the day, it was decided to send the sufferer to Dunedin Hospital and he was accordingly forwarded to town by the afternoon train, Dr Drysdale accompanying him. He died in about half an hour after reaching the hospital."
Thursday 17 September: Malcolm McGuiggan was subsequently stricken by congestion of the lungs... it was questioned if his death was accelerated by his removal to hospital when he was so seriously ill. "His removal was however unavoidable: to permit him to remain in the miserable quarters he occupied on board ship was not to be thought of." Port Chalmers needed some sort of sub-hospital for such cases...
Dunedin Northern Cemetery Burial Records:
McGuiggan, James  (class 3) Lot 49, Block 65; Died Sep 17, 1874, aged 27 years, of accident.
Mariner, resident of hospital. Born Ireland, years in N.Z. unknown.
Buried Sep 17, 1874. Informants Gourlay & Lewis [Funeral directors]   [No headstone.]
 

Do you happen to know if ship's crew can be traced through marine records?

Thanks again for your help, it it much appreciated.
Sue :)
Title: Re: McGougan/McGugan family Lochgilphead
Post by: MonicaL on Sunday 23 May 10 21:44 BST (UK)
Confusing the death info you have found isn't it  :-\ Dates don't match the marine register date entry on SP either do they and as for name and ages and nationality.... Confusing also that he shows as a fisherman and then farm labourer on son's registrations, so not sure if the able seaman death is therefore connected.

You would think given how very few Malcom M*g*g*n (to pick up on all the spelling variations) there were in the whole of Scoltand, he would be easier to find! The only Malcolm that I am seeing up to 1871 (can't see him after this census) is a farm servant born c. 1853 in Killean, Argyll. He shows with mother Margaret and brother John in 1861 and then working as a farm servant in 1871...but I cannot see a death for him in his birth year range on SP between 1871 - 1893.

There are 3 deaths on SP for a Malcolm M*cg*g*n between these dates, born 1840 +/-5 yrs. Have you looked at any of these?

Monica  :)
Title: Re: McGougan/McGugan family Lochgilphead
Post by: hayleydoyle on Friday 18 June 10 23:33 BST (UK)
 ;D I believe according to LDS that Niel McGugans parents may have been Catherine McNicol and Duncan McGugan of Inveraray ::)
I have had no luck trying to access the marriage certificates on Scotlands People since returning to Canada....systems glitch I suspect.
I would like to see both. I am still wondering if the road will lead to knapdale or Gigna...
they are an elusive bunch! ???
Title: Re: McGougan/McGugan family Lochgilphead
Post by: gavuzzo on Friday 02 July 10 08:42 BST (UK)
One of my family, John Stewart, born 1795 in Glassary married Isabel McGugan about 1819. The Glassary marriage register is unfortunately blank from 1818 to 1820. John & Isobel had a child called Mary, born 15 Aug. 1820 at Ballimore, Aird of Lochgilphead. John died in 1820 and the daughter was brought up by his uncle (my great-grandfather).

For a comprehensive memoir on the Glassary Stewarts see:

Alexander Donald Stewart, A History of the Glassary Stewarts. Amelia 1999. There are copies at Salt Lake and in NY Public Library.
Title: Re: McGougan/McGugan family Lochgilphead
Post by: brodiemcg on Wednesday 14 July 10 12:41 BST (UK)
hi there,

 i'm a mcgougan and thought i might be able to help a little.. or maybe not! my grandparents, sheena and john iain mcgougan had a shop in glasgow for a while, i think around the 70's, and also lived in tarbert for a number of years. i think there are still some mcgougans in the tarbert area. i think my grandfathers cousin or second cousin maybe was john smith, brief leader of the labour party. my great great grandfather was archibald mcgougan, who recieved some sort of medal for bravery. i think a realative and mcgougan several generations back was a doctor who moved to tasmania, possibly spawning the australian branch? i also know that my grandfather did a bit of geneology and traced our family tree, which seemed very much focused in argyll.

that's probably no help at all, but thought i'd post it anyway!
Title: Re: McGougan/McGugan family Lochgilphead
Post by: thommoje on Thursday 05 August 10 07:54 BST (UK)

 Hi Puppygirl ,
                     I have just read through all the posts about you McGugan folk - my head is spinning so will not try to sort them out but there are a couple of sites you may try , if you have not done so already. You may see something that rings a bell.
                     The " FreeCen" site will allow you to see all the McGugans in Argyll in 1841 - so you can pick out those you believe are yours - for free.
                     Google " Knapdale People " and there are many McGugan s in the surname lists there.
                     Hope you find something helpful,
                                                                          Thommoje


Title: Re: McGougan/McGugan family Lochgilphead
Post by: ardchattan on Friday 10 December 10 16:33 GMT (UK)
Hi
I am interested in any connections with Auchindrain - and would love to hear from anyone with family records from the township.
I am excited to say that I have been asked to create a One Place Study of all the people there, in association with a major project to look at all aspects of this wonderful historical location.
please get in touch if you can help
more details here http://www.highlandlife.org.uk/auchindrainpeople.html
email auchindrainpeople[at]yahoo.co.uk

Re-scanned image nothing like Gillespie for mother Catherine! So, not the family from Gigha.

I agree, McArthur is likely name (with McCarter and all the variants). There is only one other Neil and Catherine McGougan family, apart from the Gigha family.

These are these children showing on IGI to a John McGougan and Catherine McArthur:

1. MARY MCGOUGAN Birth: 06 SEP 1860 Cumlodden, Argyll
2. DUNCAN MCGOUGAN Birth: 08 OCT 1861 Cumlodden, Argyll
3. SARAH MCGOUGAN Birth: 14 OCT 1863 Cumlodden, Argyll
4. ISABELLA MCGOUGAN  Birth: 21 JAN 1866 Cumlodden, Argyll
5. JOHN MCGOUGAN Birth: 03 FEB 1872 Cumlodden, Argyll

From the 1861 Census:
    
Neil Mcgougan 43, Miner Of Nicol, b. Inverary, Argyleshire
Catherine Mcgougan 26 b. Kilmichael Par, Argyleshire
Catherine Mcgougan 3 b. Kilmichael Par, Argyleshire
Margaret Mcgougan 1 1/2 b. Uist, Inverness-Sh
Mary Mcgougan 7 Months
Duncan Mckellar 50, lodger, tailor b. Kilmichael Par, Argylesh
Mary Mckellar 49
Catherine Mckellar 13
Duncan Mckellar 12

Address: Auchindrain, Cumlodden Argyll

Can't easily see Catherine and Margaret's births on IGI. Parents only look to have married on 14 JUN 1860 Inveraray And Glenaray, Argyll (IGI).

Monica




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Title: Re: McGougan/McGugan family Lochgilphead
Post by: Uistman59 on Monday 26 March 12 13:27 BST (UK)
It is quite interesting that the 1861 Census shows Neil as a "Miner of Nicol" but ten years later that he was a "Labourer in Powderworks" (presumably at the  Lochfyne Powder Works) and then in 1881 a "Powder Maker" and then in 1891 "masons labourer employed".

Looks as though the 17 year old Catherine McArthur who was a servant in his house in 1851 was the same lady that Neil married sometime in 1860. Niel McGugan birth:   21 Apr 1817 christening:   27 Apr 1817 Parents Duncan McGugan, Cathrine McNiccol ..

Parents marriage date:   29 May 1810
groom's name:   Duncan Macgugan
bride's name:   Catharine Macnicol
Other children Mary Mcgugan christening:   30 Apr 1811
Alexander Mcgugan 11 Feb 1813
John McGugan birth:   03 Oct 1819 christening: 08 Oct 1819. Not sure why the family took a trip up to Uist c 1860 :)
Title: Re: McGougan/McGugan family Lochgilphead
Post by: ardchattan on Monday 26 March 12 17:42 BST (UK)
The 1871 census entry for Neil is probably temporary work, probably due to the mine being unworkable, maybe bad weather, as he is recorded elsewhere as being the foreman of the Craignure Nickel mine until at least 1873.
This is about 7-8 km along from Auchindrain where he lived.
He was a remarkable man, very hard working for his family.
You can see the house he lived at, with its byre and wee barn at the Auchindrain township, open to the public and a wonderful place to really get the feel of how these people lived in the 1800's.
If you want to see an image of Neil, check him out and other conversations about the family on facebook - just look for auchindrain. - he is on Achadh An Droighinn Folks
Title: Re: McGougan/McGugan family Lochgilphead
Post by: ardchattan on Monday 26 March 12 17:46 BST (UK)
hi Uistman
if you can find Margaret's registration on Uist we would be delighted.. not surprised that Neil might have taken the family up there for work, but that certificate is being remarkably elusive !!! :D
Title: Re: McGougan/McGugan family Lochgilphead
Post by: Uistman59 on Monday 26 March 12 19:09 BST (UK)
@ardchattan. I don't think its going to be there :( regards Iain MacKillop :)
Title: Arcibald McGugan and Flora McLean
Post by: aauxier on Monday 23 April 18 06:28 BST (UK)
There seems to be information about the union of Archibald and Flora.  I am however, looking for information about parents of Flora.  I have that she was born about 1793 in Flensaul, Argyll, Scotland but I cannot find anything about her parents.  Is there anyone who can help me?
Title: Re: Archibald McGugan and Flora McLean
Post by: Forfarian on Monday 23 April 18 09:16 BST (UK)
The 1841 Census (transcription at https://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl) has several M(a)cGugan families at Arinafadmor, North Knapdale

Angus McGugan 60 Farmer
Flora McGugan 67
Archibald McGugan 22
Euphemia McGugan 14 (SP indexes this family as MacGugan)
This information ties in with the information from the 1851 census already found by runningbear. However I note that Angus MacGugan and Flora MacGugan had at least four children: Mary, 1806; unnamed, 1814; John, 1816; Archibald, 1818. Flora McGugan, widow of Angus (illegible but not McGugan!), labourer, died at Arinafadmore on 25 June 1866 aged 90, parents William McGugan and Mary McGugan, maiden surname McGugan, informant Euphemia McGugan, daughter. So Angus is not a misreading or mistranscription of Archibald, and this Flora is not Flora MacLean. Angus McGugan, farmer, 83, died at Arinafadmore on 7 February 1859, parents Donald McGugan, farmer, and Catherine McGugan, maiden surname McMillan. Informant Archibald McGugan, son. 

Angus MacGugan 67 Weaver
Angus McGugan 14
No ideas who these are!

Archd McGugan 40 Weaver
Jane McGugan 35
John McGugan 11
James McGugan 4
Angus McGugan 6
This looks like the family of Archibald McGugan and Jane Campbell: John, 1829; Angus, 1835; James, 1837; Sarah, 1841; Archibald, 1843; Hector, 1845. I think Jane must have died, and Archibald married Ann Campbell and had Hugh, 1848, Duncan, 1850; Donald, 1852; Ann, 1854, and John 1859. The family is still at Arinafadmore in 1861
Archibald McGugan 55 Worsted weaver
Ann McGugan wife 40
Duncan McGugan son 16
Hector McGugan son 15
Dugald McGugan son 8
Ann McGugan daughter 6
John McGugan son 1
Catherine Campbell mother-in-law

There's also a MacLean family at Arinafadmore who might be worth a look in case they are related to Flora MacLean
Niel MacLean 40 Ag Lab
Mary MacLean 30
Donald MacLean 12
Niel MacLean 10
Dugd MacLean 4
Duncan MacLean 1

Arinafad More is on the shore of Caol Scotnish, north-east of Tayvallich. See
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=56.0391&lon=-5.5995&layers=5&b=1
On modern maps it is named as Scotnish, while the place called Scotnish on the old map is now marked as Scotnish F(ar)m. See http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NR7588

Not far away, at Glaichintobair, is another McGugan family
Archibald McGugan 60 Ag lab
Catherine McGugan 50
Flora McGugan 12
Sarah McGugan 10
Ann McGugan 8
Catherine McGugan 3
Angus McGugan 6
This is the family of Archibald McGugan and Catherine McPhail: Flora, 1828; Sarah, 1829; Angus, 1833; Nancy, 1834. Archibald and Catherine were married in 1827. If Archibald's age is correctly listed, he would have been born between 8 June 1776 and 7 June 1781, so 1827 is quite late for a first marriage. Could this possibly be Flora MacLean's widower's second marriage? Noting that Archibald and Flora named their first son Donald, this may well have been the case. He died at Carsaig on 12 December 1864, aged 77, parents Donald McGugan and Catherine McMillan. So he was Angus' brother. His widow registered the death, but the certificate does not mention any other wife.

Anyway, to save rambling on, there are no other possible deaths for either Archibald McGugan or Flora MacLean after 1855. So (unless they emigrated, which seems unlikely if their son John was married in Scotland in 1854) Flora died after the birth of Malcolm in 1826 and before the 1841 census, and Archibald may have remarried in 1827 and died in 1864, or he may also have died before 1841.

I can think of several more possible lines of enquiry, but my brain feels like mush and I need a coffee!

Does that help?