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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Roxburghshire => Topic started by: AlexStewart on Wednesday 01 August 07 17:56 BST (UK)
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Robert Rutherford, born in Maxton in 1829, married Margaret Storie, the daughter of William and Agnes Storie, in 1855. Robert's parents were Robert Rutherford born in Maxton in 1805 and Elizabeth Oliver born in 1805 in Bedrule near Jedburgh.
In the 1841 census I note that this Rutherford family were living at Lindean, Galashiels.
The Rutherfords lived in 1851 in Hassendeanbank Hind House in Minto, Jedburgh. Robert the son became a farm bailiff and went with his family in the 1870s to England and the Royal Agricultural College at Cirencester. He and his wife died at Wishanger, Headley in Hampshire where Robert was a farm bailiff until 1890. I understand his father Robert died in Newington, Edinburgh on 15 February, 1880.
Can anyone throw any further light on these families in the early 1800s and even earlier in the 1700s in Roxburghshire as it is proving very difficult to sort out so many Rutherfords and Olivers in that area!
Alex
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Alex
What luck seing your post. Yesterday started on the Rutherford family that turned up in England (Cirencester and then Headley Hants)as my gran's sister Elizabeth Green married Robert James Rutherford in 1910 Lottisham Somerset son of Robert and Blanch(Kittow) and grandson of Robert and Margaret (Storie). They went to Kenchester, Hereford. At the time of the marriage Robert was - inkeeping with the family tradition - a farm bailiff in Sutton St Michael Hereford. At some stage the family then moved to Reigate in Surrey. I am seeing my cousin later this month and am putting together everything I can on her Rutherford line. I have got back to Jedburgh and the Olivers and Stories but only as far as the census and LDS will allow as I am stuck at home with a broken hip.
Love to chat with you.
Jan Walker
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Thank you, Jan, for that interesting reply. I shall contact you as you suggested.
Alex
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Hello Alex and Jan, I recognized this Rutherford family as I researched them along with Brian and Dianne Dixon who live in New Zealand between 4 and 5 years ago,I still have my notes, as you know Rutherford is such a common surname in the Borders it is very hard to follow the branches, any way Brian and Dianne are also linked to the branch of Robert Rutherford and Elisabeth Oliver,they had the following known children;
Robert b 1829 married Margaret Storrie,9 children,
Thomas born 1830 married Margaret Helm,3 children.
John born 1831 married Isabella Sinclair,9 children,
George born 1834 married Gloriannah Stirling Aitchison,no children,
James born 1837 married Susannah Boyd,7 children,
Oliver born 1844 married Mary Marston,no children,
Helen born 1846 married John Fenwick Buchanan,at least 2 children.
Robert Rutherford born Maxton 1805 was the son of Robert Rutherford and Helen Buchan,also Buckham,or Buchholm.
Robert and Helen also had the following children,
John Rutherford born approx 1794 married Betsy Kerr 1818,8 known children,
James Rutherford born 17th April 1796 Eckford, married 1st Mary Dixon,2nd Janet Airis,James Died 4th june 1868
George Rutherford born 1799 married Margaret Waugh,4 children,George died Jan 8th 1855,Linton.
Helen Rutherford born approx 1806 married William Kerr,3 known children,Helen died July 17th 1856,
My head starts spinning when I am looking at Rutherfords, I remember finding Robert Rutherford living in Cirencester on the 1881 census,
I will contact Brian and Diane again, I think their notes will be more organized than mine,
look forward to hearing back from you,
I have a distant connection to the family of John Rutherford and Betsy Kerr.
Amanda.
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Thank you very much, Amanda, for your response. I have heard from Dianne Dixon who has sent me valuable information, and I am waiting to hear from her again. I do appreciate your contribution, and hope you will write again privately when you have gathered together your material.
Alex
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My grandfather was Robert James Rutherford born in 1886, I know Maxton is associated with him. He married Elizabeth Jane Green. He lived at Cirencester, then went to Hereford where my mother was born. Eventually he moved to Surrey. I believe that his father was the greatgrandfather of someone called John.
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Good to hear from you as the grandchild of Robert James Rutherford and the great grandchild of Robert Rutherford and Margaret Storie of Roxburghshire. Robert James was the nephew of the Helen Rutherford who interests me. Would you ask members of your family whether they know anything about Robert and Helen in Cirencester in the late 1800s when their father taught at the Agricultural College. Does anyone have any early photographs? Very glad to hear from you privately.
Alex
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Trying to trace backwards and forwards from Blanch Kittow, daughter of James Kittow. who married Robert Rutherford. I have ground to a halt. There's a big gap in the middle of my family tree.
Thanks.
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For Alex.
Re yours, all the older generation of my grandad's family are dead. I wish I had become interested in the history when they were here. They had wonderful stories, should have written it all down, but you know how it is.
:-[
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Thank you for your question. I have answered your private message on the other forum. I look forward to reading your information.
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Greetings and firstly I apologise for posting on an old post, secondly it seemed silly to post a new topic on one already in progress (albeit I'm a little late to the party!)
I certainly recognise one moniker here from ancestry where I believe I've made contact in relation to my Great Great Grandmother Blanche Amy Kittow. I've been attempting to unravel the family tree on this lineage for some time and have started frugal work on and off on this lineage at various points to no avail.
If anyone would like to open up channels of communication, as and if I should find anything as I will be hopefully investing things as a matter of course, including archives and site visits. I have posted here as my first and initial post and shall endeavour to pop on (on the off chance someone is interested even if there is no response!) and update should I uncover anything new, as you never know someone much as myself may stumble across this!
Thanks
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Histreedee
I am not clear what your question is. I can only pass on what I have on Blanche Amy Kittow.
She was born in the Cirencester area in 1864, the daughter of John Charles Kittow. I do not
know of her mother. She married Robert Rutherford, and in 1901 they were living in Stoneleigh
where Robert was a Bailiff or Farm Steward. I have four children listed: which is your line?
Alex
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There was no question per say merey that adding that I too have a link and that should I find anything I would add a note, I thought it might be good form. Possibly I was mistaken?
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Greetings!
I have very deep Rutherford roots from this area, but your questions are much later than my connections there. I am descended from a Robert Rutherford who was born in Roxburgh in in 1640 and died in Essex County, Virgina in 1728. My grandmother has done extensive geneology work. The earliest date we have Robert's father Adam (Hall, Scotland died 1648). We have names going back three more generations but no dates.
I just wanted to post here and say hello. Would love to someday make the trip to Jedburgh to see where my ancestors walked or meet some very distant cousins.
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Greetings to you, Darsy.
You did not mention whether your grandmother traced her Rutherfords back to the same family
as my son-in-law's or not. Did they go back to the same places?
I am interested in your Sparrow connection. My wife has a Sparrow connection by marriage back
in the 1700s in Northamptonshire. Where did your Sparrows come from?
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Forgive my ignorance if I am misunderstanding your question-- my grandmother was the genealogist of the family and I am just exploring aspects of some of her work. My Rutherford ancestors and yours must be related somehow because of the name and location of origin, however my direct ancestor left Scotland sometime between 1640 when he was born, and 1728 when he died in Virginia. I think you are looking for Scottish Rutherfords after this period. My grandmother's research in Scotland ends with our ancestor's journey out of Scotland. Are you asking about Rutherford's in Virginia in the 1800's or in Scotland? My Rutherfords stayed in Virginia for several generations before moving to Ohio. My great-grandmother's maiden name is Rutherford.
If there is any way I can assist you further using my grandmother's research using the earlier Rutherfords please let me know and I'll try to answer your questions.
As far as my name Sparrow-- I am embarrassed to tell you that while I like the name Sparrow very much, I don't claim kinship with any Sparrows. I use this name as a pseudonym of my real last name while using the internet.
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I have two problems: I posted this subject for someone else in 2007 and the Rutherfords are not my ancestors.
It is not certain that your Rutherfords were the same even if they came from Roxburghshire. There were several Rutherford families in that area. That is why I asked about specific places of origin, such as villages. No, I was not asking about Rutherfords in Virginia as I knew they moved to England and died there. My question was whether your grandmother had traced your Rutherfords to certain villages, such as Maxton, in Roxburghshire. If you scroll
down to the early messages in 2007 you will see that Amanda, who writes as Terie, has listed the
Rutherford family well. Just before that you will see my original enquiry.
I am sorry I embarrassed you about the Sparrow 'connection'.
Kind regards
Alex
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Hi Alex, I hope I didn't come across as rude or stern. I will go through the messages again and see if there's a way to help answer that question. As far as being embarrassed about Sparrow, I was laughing at myself. :-) No offense taken and I hope none received.
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No, no, not rude or stern and no offence taken here!
Kind regards
Alex
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I just wanted to get back to you . . . the information I have only goes back three generations from the Robert Rutherford I mentioned. The three generations I have before Robert show they lived in Nesbit, Knowe, and Hall. There are no dates for the first two generations (Nesbit and Knowe).
However my grandmother cited a resource you might find interesting:
http://www.rentalsoftware.com/rutherford-books.htm
and a description here of the same books
https://familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=347711&disp=Genealogical+history+of+the+Rutherford+f
My grandmother was able to track down these books somewhere and get useful information from them. It was part of her job to drive around the United States, and she used this to her advantage to search various places that kept records. I am sure she must have laid her hands on this book because she quotes part of it. She says that according to this book, the Rutherfords' records go back to the 12th century.
Unfortunately my grandma, currently in her 90's, suffers from dementia and is unable to provide any helpful information beyond what she left in her notes. I wish I could ask her questions. She once had a wealth of information in her head, and sadly when she did, I was too busy and too young to take the time to talk to her about it.
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Thank you, Darsy, for your helpful information from your grandmother. I am sure
she is right about the 12th. century, probably at the time the Flemings from Flanders
came to Scotland.
Your point about regretting that you had not spoken more feely about such matters to grandparents will find a sympathetic reaction from many of us who feel just the same. If only
we had asked more questions when we were young!
Kind regards
Alex
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Alex
What luck seing your post. Yesterday started on the Rutherford family that turned up in England (Cirencester and then Headley Hants)as my gran's sister Elizabeth Green married Robert James Rutherford in 1910 Lottisham Somerset son of Robert and Blanch(Kittow) and grandson of Robert and Margaret (Storie). They went to Kenchester, Hereford. At the time of the marriage Robert was - inkeeping with the family tradition - a farm bailiff in Sutton St Michael Hereford. At some stage the family then moved to Reigate in Surrey. I am seeing my cousin later this month and am putting together everything I can on her Rutherford line. I have got back to Jedburgh and the Olivers and Stories but only as far as the census and LDS will allow as I am stuck at home with a broken hip.
Love to chat with you.
Jan Walker
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Thank you for your interesting message.
I have replied by a private message to you.
Regards
Alex
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Alex
"What luck seing your post. Yesterday started on the Rutherford family that turned up in England (Cirencester and then Headley Hants)as my gran's sister Elizabeth Green married Robert James Rutherford in 1910 Lottisham Somerset son of Robert and Blanch(Kittow) and grandson of Robert and Margaret (Storie). They went to Kenchester, Hereford. At the time of the marriage Robert was - inkeeping with the family tradition - a farm bailiff in Sutton St Michael Hereford. At some stage the family then moved to Reigate in Surrey. I am seeing my cousin later this month and am putting together everything I can on her Rutherford line. I have got back to Jedburgh and the Olivers and Stories but only as far as the census and LDS will allow as I am stuck at home with a broken hip."
Jan Walker
Jan
I have tried to send you private messages but alas I am told your inbox is full and I cannot send.
Thank you for your message after eight years! I am sorry to hear about your broken hip.
Thank you for the information about your branch of the Rutherfords. They are not my family but I can give you the information I have on them back to 1786.
Thank you for letting me know about Robert James Rutherford. I have his marriage to your Elizabeth Green, but I did not know he was an Inn Keeper.
Please write again either by private message or on here. The Inbox needs attention!
Alex
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Yaxley47
I understand you need to post again in order to become involved in this dialogue about the Rutherfords as you have only posted once.
Please write again about your knowledge of the Rutherford and Storie marriage, and I shall reply and let you know of their parents and grandparents. I look forward to hearing from you again.
Regards
Alexander
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