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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Kirkcudbrightshire => Topic started by: johking on Thursday 02 August 07 00:13 BST (UK)
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I would have thought I would be bound to find this family on the 1841 as I have so many names, but I spent ages in the fam hist centre today with all the Kirkcudbrightshire 1841 booklets and failed to find them. If anyone has access to the 1841 and could be bothered to have a look, that would be great.
Of course they may have moved on from Kirkcudbrightshire - last known birth was 1832 in Balmaclellan, other births dotted around in Balmaclellan, Parton and Kirkpatrick Durham, only 2 subsequent births in the same place - suspect ag labs, perhaps?
At least the 4 youngest children, and possibly the parents too and other siblings, emigrated to Canada, supposedly in 1849, so they should be around somewhere in the 1841 if that emigration date is correct.
1841 ages:
John CURRIE
Margaret CURRIE, nee McCartney, b 1790, so age approx 51
Janet b 1815, age 26
George b 1817, age 24
John b 1819, age 22
William b 1822, age 19
? female (large ink blot over her name!) b 1825, age 16
James b 1827, age 14
Robert, b 1829 age 12
David b 1832 age 9
Apparently there was another brother too called Andrew. James is described in the OPR as "fifth son", so that would make Andrew older than him and from the dates really could only be squeezed in between William and ? female (I would so like to find her name!) or right at the beginning of the family, ie before Janet.
Any help most gratefully received
many thanks
Jo
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hi pal,
could this be them?
1841 census- crawford street, carluke
margaret...age 51
john...age 26...ag lab
william...age 15
james...age 14
david...age 8
Joe
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Well, that does look extremely interesting... I know that ages are often wonky on the 1841 census, but they aren't too far out and the order of offspring is correct which is the important thing. I wonder if John Snr had died and that precipitated the emigration?
Puzzled that Robert was missing though - he definitely went to Canada along with David, Andrew and James and, we think, mother Margaret and the mystery ink-blot sister (no sign of her name alas) - but he could have been staying with an older sister or brother, couldn't he? He would actually have been 11 in the 1841, I'm realising, as his birth was in November. Similarly David was aged 8, as he was born in June, so that tallies with your Carluke find.
Thanks very much indeed Joe. Best lead so far by miles...
Jo
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Hi Jo,
I have tracked down the family of Janet Currie.
She married a farmer near Elora, Ontario, John Bosomworth, and had 2 sons and one daughter. I got the name 'Bosomworth' when my aunt suddenly remembered the name on a sympathy card when my grandfather, James Harold Currie, died in 1987. The card had come from Elora but she did not know the name.
So, I got the phone book and looked up the name ... called the first name, David, and lo' and behold, Janet was this man's gr.gr.gr.aunt. He gave me a little information and said that Janet was buried in the Elora Cemetery. I have yet to find her gravestone and hope that I find her brother James there as well. So anxious to identify 'inkspot' sister ... suspect she is a 'Margaret', after her mother.
Thank you for all the help you have been.
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Great stuff! So pleased for you.
Jo
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We're not lost...
The ink blot was Mingus/Menzies, the other sister was Jessie though she may have changed her name to Janet. Margaret is buried in the Bluevale, Ont. cemetery, her broken tombstone can still be found under a pile of scrub brush at the edge of the woods, between the road and her daughter in-law's grave stone, found further back along the N.W. edge of the woods.
John died in Scotland (no known details), though it is believed his roots were Norman, tracing back to Laird Sir Walter de Corrie & Lady Susanna Carlyle, Baldric the Teuton, Charlemagne and ultimately Clovis the Riparian. After John's death the family temporarily moved from Balmaclellan to Carluke, which is where Margaret McCartney's high-society family apparently originated from.
The family then migrated to Fergus, Ont. (c. 1845), with the exception of William, Thomas and George. (I believe Andrew died rather young) Thomas and William did not survive long enough to produce heirs. George's daughter Joann is believed to have gone to Australia. Apparently the family witnessed the burning of the parlament buildings in Quebec City on their trip up the St. Lawerence River.
After spending 4 years in Fergus, where the two sisters remained (Menzies became a school teacher), Robert, his brothers and mother bought land in Huron County and were the first to settle in the Wingham area. In fact they had to hack their own path though the woods to get there. Their stone homestead can be found in excellent condition on the S.E. corner of Hwy 86 and Currie Line. on the Western outskirts of Wingham, Ont. Robert's brothers David and John lived on adjacent farms immediately to the east of Robert's. John died the first winter after getting wet in the barn, but did have one surviving son, John Jr. who was raised to a large degree by Robert and his family. I believe Robert was also the first Reeve of Wawanosh Township in Huron County. The descendants of the other two brothers are still very active in the surrounding community.
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Hi and thank you, JKCIII !!!!
It sounds as if you know quite a bit about this family and I am very excited.
I am Robert's gr. gr granddaughter and am doing a family study for myself and for my own descendant's and there are a lot loopholes I would love to tighten up.
Elizabeth ... is she also who we know as Janet ?
Where did Menzie teach and did she marry ? have family ? and where did she end up ?
This summer I did a cemetery run with my aunt Donna(nee Currie, my mother's only sibling) and found Margaret McCartney Currie, her son Robert, his wife Anne Linklater and their young child James Hastie in the Bluevale cemetery ... all on a red granite stone (obviously a newer stone) ... if I had only known the broken ones were there!
Very interesting notes about the ancestry of Robert's parents ... I would be thrilled to find out even a bit more about John and Margaret and their life in Scotland ... and maybe who their parents were.
From various sources I know that Robert had gone back to Scotland 2 times ... I hope it was to see family that missed Margaret and her children.
I am sorry to hear that Robert's brother's, Thomas and George, did not live long.
Did William stay in Scotland ? What was his daughter's name ?
And, yes, it is stated in Robert's obituary that he had witnessed the burning of the parliament buildings in Quebec in 1849.
I am a bit confused about James and John ... it is my understanding that James had died before they had gotten to the land they bought in the Wingham area, while working on the Elora Rd. I am hoping that he is buried in Elora with Janet/Elizabeth and that I find them soon. Janet's gr.gr.gr.nephew (see above message) assures me that they are both buried there.
I wonder if John is the brother that married the sister of Anne Linklater ... and their son John, you say was raised largely by Robert and Anne ? ... this is such interesting stuff ! Robert also raised an adopted daughter, Florence.
Robert was indeed the first reeve of Wawanosh and then also of East Wawanosh when the township was divided ... he was a smart man and highly thought of ... someone Scotland can be very proud of.
I met one of the Currie family while in Wingham this summer and she gave me a few old photos and tintypes that I treasure and would love to share with family in Scotland who wonder whatever happened to that part of their family.
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I'm a direct decendant of John. who died his first winter in the Wingham/Marnoch area. I have the entire written history copied from the original family bible. (I may have a few details wrong as I'm going from memory here, as it is not immediately available for reference at the moment.)
I'm really excited to hear that we still have connections back in Scotland. They were as lost to us as we were to them. I am certainly keen to find out more.
I can't recall the exact details from memory, but Mingus or Menzies may have went by a different name later in life. Back in thoses early days school teachers could not marry, so I don't believe Mingus had any family. She taught in a school house in Alma if I recall correctly. I found Elizabeth (Bosomworth's) headstone several years ago, when I first caught the geneology bug. I've been meaning to hit the Wellington County museum, located just outside of Fergus in hopes of digging up some records, but have not managed to yet.
I've wondered if Robert's 2 trips back to Scotland may have related to settling the estates of William and Thomas after they passed? There was an interesting note that he slept in a hollow tree where the farm is located today, before proceeding to Goderich to purchase the lot(s). Actually his direct descendant by the same name is a favourite cousin of mine. Unfortunately we've lost touch so I'm uncertain if he or his family might have additional info. I believe his parents had a group photo of John, Maragaret and the family hanging in the old original farmstead, back when I was too young to be interested.
Yes, I believe John Jr. married a Linklater, was my extremely great grandmother. Her family came from the Orkney Islands and I have much of her written family history too.
I have had no luck with finding any further detailed info on John and Margaret, other than he came from English/Norman roots and she came from a fairly well to do "noble" family from the highlands. No further info on William either.
Out of frustration I've attacked the problem from the other end of history in hopes of finding the missing links. My initial research lead me in the direction of Islay, Clan Ranald and Ireland but recently have discovered that the more probable lineage is that which stems from Robert de Corci of Normandy, son of Baldric, son of Wigerius Duke of Lorraine.
My father recently showed me a book given to him from his uncle JHC that was presented to him by the mayor of some town in Normandy in gratitude for his part in liberating that town during WWII. Curiously, the book that JHC chose from that town's library contains all the genelogical data relating to Robert de Courci (also spelled Courcy) who was related to William the Conqueror and mentions that he slew many an Englishman during the battle of Hastings. His (gr.?) grandsons were later granted large tracks of land in the Annandale, Kirkcubrightshire area for their services to King David I of Scotland.
It was JHC who told me as a child that he was taken up in an airplane once in the 60's and could still see the scar through the woods where the original Currie brothers had hacked their way up through the woods from Fergus.
One thing I have discovered in my research is that our family perpetuates the same first names down through the ages, which provides a useful trail of breadcrumbs to follow. This was apparently a common practice, particularly with noble families. Typically the oldest son is named after the father and subsequent sons are named after grandfathers and uncles. Subsequently you will find a long line of Roberts, Williams, Johns, Davids, Thomas', Andrews, James, Georges relating to the Curries, Corries, de Courcys, de Courcis down through the ages, which I suspect may be our best remaining clue to finding our missing links, if in fact that information survived the many border wars.
Also if you are familiar with Baigent's work, you may want to take a long look at the family coat of arms (another clue?). However the hidden symbols contained within go much further back in time than even he may have suspected. I'm still trying to piece that puzzle together.
I'll get back to you with more details, when I can have the official notes on hand to refer to.
Aspiro ~ Inspire to Victory,
JKC
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Hi JKCIII,
I think I may have mislead you.
Re-reading my message, it sounds like I could be from Scotland and am pleased to find relatives in Canada !
But, no, I was born in Guelph, Ont., daughter of Laura Currie, daughter of James Harold Currie (Harold), son of William Johnstone Currie, son of Robert Currie, son of John Currie. It is beyond John Currie and his wife Margaret McCartney that I am anxious to find answers or relatives in Scotland.
By the way, I am very pleased to meet you ... we're 1st cousins (so many times removed) as we share common gr.?grandparents ! I would be very thankful for any more information that you might have and are willing to share.
I wonder about John Currie who died that first year ... did he have a middle name ... do you have middle names of any of the original family members?
From my information that I gleaned this summer John married Margaret Linklater, sister of Anne. Anne Linkater married Robert.
But if you say that John died so soon after starting to work his land, whatever happened to his wife Margaret ? And, if his son John was raised by Robert, then that would make William Johnstone Currie, Robert's first born son. I have a wonderful photo of John Thomas' gorgeous family and another great photo of William's family.
What do you know about their adopted sister Florence Currie (whom Robert and Anne Linklater, it appears from photos, took on later in life)?
I have thousands of other questions and I, as well, was going to try to visit the archivist at the Wellington County Museum but I am having knee surgery at the end of the month so will have to wait a while before I do that.
I did drive by Robert's homestead this summer and took a few pictures.
Also have a photo of the reunion of the Currie clan in front of Robert's stone home, 1967 ? ... were you there ?
Thanks JKCIII,
Sharron
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Hi SED:
I got the notes that have been passed down and not too surprisingly my memory is not nearly what it used to be, (as expected, I managed to get a few details wrong). It has been a few years since I've picked through this material... That is my excuse and I am sticking to it. ;-J
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John Currie lived in Kirkcudbrightshire Scotland in (b.1790) "but was believed to be part English".
Margaret McCartney was born in Scotland in 1790 and died Feb. 19, 1871 at 81 years of age. She was from somewhere in the highlands and came from a well to-do family with one sister and one brother.
Six of their children were born in Kirkcudbright, Dumfries and Galloway, Scotland. After John's death she moved with her family of 7 sons and 2 daughters to to Carluke, Lancashire.
George - Stayed in Scotland and had a family. One daughter Joann may have gone to Australia.
Thomas - Died in Scotalnd a young man, unmarried.
William - Died in Scotland a young man, unmarried.
Jessie - Married John Bosomworth
John - Born 1819 - Died Feb. 20th 1856. Married Margaret LinkLater (from Parish of Bersay on the Isle of Pamona in the Orkneys). John died 3 weeks after their wedding from influenza. Maggie and her son John Jr. went to live with her father John LinkLater, a tailor, (b.1797 - d.1878), who was also buried in the Bluevale cemetary.
James - d. 1854 Died in Guelph Township unmarried.
David - 1831/32 - 1866. Married Ann Cornyn.
Robert - Nov. 15, 1829, (Parish of Balmaclellan) - May 14 1910 (Bluevale cemetary). Married Ann LinkLater (May 3, 1834 - Oct. 10, 1905). He was 20 when the family moved to Canada. It was apparently he that located and purchased the 200 acres of land in East Wawanosh in 1853 on behalf of the 4 brothers. Unfortunately James died that winter (probably as you said, while working the roads?). In the spring of 1854 the three surviving brothers settled permanently on their new land. Robert was the first elected councillor in 1857 and later went on to become Reeve. He returned to Scotland twice in 1876 and 1886.
Mingus/Menzies - Taught grammar school in Alma. Buried in Elora cemetary.
In 1849 they settled in Guelph Township, near Elora, Ont. and in 1853 the brothers bought land in East Wawanosh at $2.00/acre, settling permanently there in 1854. There were no other settlers there, the country was little but a dense forest, but in the fall of 1854, a Mr. Thompson arrived in the area. Three years after the Currie brothers arrived, the site for the Town of Wingham was surveyed. The first settlers of Wingham proper being the Cornyn families. David Currie married Ann Cornyn an native of Ireland, considered to be the first white woman in Wingham.
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I've got some other snippets lurking around, but that's all I have in "the book" regarding the first two generations. Actually there is much more, in fact I now see that you and your family are listed in there too. Btw: A belated, happy 35th anniversary. ;-J My folks, whom you likely know (JAC and AC) also have a book on the history of E. Wawanosh that has some additional tidbits. "The Book" also mentions where the original family Bible and letters were handed down to, but this is not a good place to get into that.
As for pushing back that brick wall a few more generations? I've been trying for years without much luck. I found some of the birth/baptism records from Scotland, but that is about all. So I've been trying to attack it from the other end of history. Part of the key and facination is to understand the life, times and events of each generation. Speaking of which I also have a copy of young John Jr's diary, which is an interesting read about pioneering in Huron County. Maybe we could tag team? You go high, I'll go low. ;-J Maybe if we could track down some of George's decendants we might catch that big break we are looking for, (which I thought for a while there I had finally stumbled upon) <:-[
As for the reunion. If I was there, I don't remember it. I would have been pretty young then.
Cheers, and good luck with the new knee.
JKC
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Btw:
If you subtract census year 1841 from Margaret's recorded year of birth (1790) the result is 51. Given that it is also recorded that they temporarily moved to Carluke prior to coming to Canada, I'm 99.9% positive that is them! Excellent Hunting! - JKC
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could this be them?
1841 census- crawford street, carluke
margaret...age 51
john...age 26...ag lab
william...age 15
james...age 14
david...age 8
Joe
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FYI:
I've also found that the only Crawford St. in Lanarkshire is in Motherwell, which is located a bit to the N.E. of Carluke.
JKC
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Following this with great interest - I'm so glad you have found each other!
JKC - if the record is from the 1841 Carluke census, then Crawford Street will definitely be in Carluke not Motherwell. The parish of Carluke in 1841:
"Town of Carluke divided as follows viz. on the East by Carluke Burn, on the South by an ideal line drawn about 200 yards South of and running parallel to Caluke Burn on the West by the parks of Kirkton and on the North partly by a road leading from the parish church of Carluke to the Windmill Quarry and partly by an ideal line drawn East from the Windmill Quarry to Carluke Burn."
If you go to Old Maps, you can find Crawforddyke street on the 1864 map, which may well be it. Go to:
http://www.old-maps.co.uk/indexmappage2.aspx
and put Carluke in the search box at the top, then choose it from the drop-down address matches.
You will see a map appear and should see a "main" road sticking out to the East of the town. Pan and zoom in to that and you will see its name.
By the way, for an in-depth study of Carluke around the time your ancestors were there, go to the Statistical Accounts. These were written by the ministers of the time about their parishes and vary considerably in their coverage. The Carluke one is rather besotted with geology and alluvial deposits (!), but persevere and you get some very interesting facts, like marriage and burial customs for example. It was written in 1839 so would be accurate for your timescale.
Go here:
http://edina.ac.uk//stat-acc-scot/
Forget the logins and look for the non-subscribers link at the bottom "Browse scanned pages".
Then enter Carluke in the top search box.
There were 2 statistical accounts performed, one in the 1790s and one in the 1830s-40s, which is the one you would want. Click the link and start reading!
I have found the statistical accounts invaluable for giving a snapshot of what life was like in Scottish parishes of the time.
Jo
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Wow!
Thanks for those valuable tips and links Jo. Obviously you're a pro at this.
JKC
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If only I was!
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Thanks Jo,
I have read these parish records and find them fascinating ... took me a little while to get used to the 's' they write ... but I persevered.
I checked with my live source's family records and Janet Currie was definately the name of their ancestor. She married John Bosomworth in 1845 and they had 3 children; Robert
John
Elizabeth ('Jessie' must have been a pet name for her)
... 'Currie' became the first name of some of her progeny... and I have directions to the farm that she lived on ... a stone home ... and I will try to get a photo of that one, too.
Menzie/Mingus is my next search to do ... the village of Alma was right on the border of 3 townships so that may prove to be fun ... hope all the townships have a little written history somewhere.
SO ... it appears that of Margaret's 9 children, George, Janet, John and Robert are the only ones with offspring.
Robert, himself, had 8 children;
John Thomas (but was actually his brother John's son)
William Johnstone (my gr. grandfather)
Robert
Andrew
David
James Hastie (died 2yrs)
Annie
Florence (adopted)
... because I have spent much of my energy reading about the pioneer life these ancestors lived, (because I want my own family to have a good account when they read my notes 100 yrs from now), I have not looked up all birth dates yet, but hopefully JKCIII can fill me in from there ... JKC, whose family bible ? was it brought here from Scotland ? so many questions ... lol.
Still hoping to make contact with someone in Scotland ... Currie or McCartney ... or to find William's daughter/family.
Sharron
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Hi SED:
I've wanted to delve more into the details of pioneer life in the Scottish settlements of Elora and Fergus, to better frame the life and times of Margaret and her family. But have had trouble finding the time. Would be interested to hear any snippets you may have gleaned.
It does not specify in the notes exactly who's family bible it is or from what period it originated. However, I assumed from the fact that this is a fairly old and forgotten family ritual, it is likely Margret & John's or possibly Robert's Unable to verify unfortunately.
Also note , that I was incorrect in my initial recall of the brother's who remained in Scotland. It was George who survived and Thomas and William who died relatively young and unmarried. So we should focus our searches for possible decendants in Scotland to George Currie.
Funny there is no Andrew mentioned, and yet his name has been passed down through the generations, as is the family custom, so I don't doubt he was in there somewhere? I was also fairly sure there was an Elizabeth too, who's name has also been handed down, as you are obviously well aware ;-J
It is certainly nice to connect with a fellow explorer (and cousin) on this journey through history. Hopefully we can find the answers we seek.
Many thanks,
JKC
Note: My initials had already been used by someone else to register, so I added "III", as it is part of my nick name.
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Thanks for the reply JKC ... now I am going to assume that your name is James as my aunt told me today who she thought your parents are ... Jim and Audrey ? If so, I talked on the phone briefly with them this summer as my aunt felt that they might be able to supply me with some answers. Didn't get anything that I hadn't already known. Got much more from Verna Currie.
Anyway, do you live in the Wingham area ? I was there today ... found Margaret McCartney's headstone on the bank of the river !! Have a photo that I will post on rootschat ...
.... have an email addy for a genealogist who will gladly look up anyone in the cemeteries in Huron County
.... and checked on the staus of the museum in Wingham (they don't have a curator at the moment but are searching for one and if you want to go in the museum, you have to go across the street and see a woman named Kathy Adams who will let you in) as there was some fear in early Aug. that the museum would be closed and the artifacts given over to another museum or dispersed.
It was a great day to take a road trip and hubby and I had a very nice time ... we also went and checked on my Aunt Donna in Teeswater and shared any updates I had with her. My sister, Georgia is taking her to Owen Sound on the 26th, to see and orthopedic surgeon about her bad knees ... and when we have our new knees and I've won the lottery, we're all going to Scotland !!
In this bible that you have, is there any mention of James Currie ? Where he died ? and when ? If memory serves me correctly, in Robert's obituary it is mentioned that James died before he ever got E. Wawanosh ... I'd love to find out more there.
Yes, the Wellington Cty. Museum might have some answers and I am going to be there this Sun. and Mon. at a workshop ... will do a little sleuthing there if I can.
Would love to know a bit about you.
Happy hunting.
Sharron
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Hi SED:
You're close, but not quite. Actually I spent a lot of time as a teenager helping my father haul artifacts into the Wingham museum, when it was first created. So I'm quite familiar with it. There is a good portrait of Robert Currie there, which I've attached a photo of here.
Somebody has moved Margaret's headstone (with the single rose) within the past year or so, which is a bit disturbing. It used to be one of many laying side-by-side on the ground along the tree line. I almost gave up on finding it, before uncovering it beneath a large pile of scrub brush, which I cleared. But when I returned about 2 years later it had been covered again? I originally located it and the ones in Elora through the following web site:
http://www.islandnet.com/ocfa/
No additional info in the book on James other than he died the winter of 1853/54 in Guelph Township, unmarried. So your tidbit about him parishing while working on the roads there is likely correct.
The Bible and papers were last reported to be in the possession of another branch of the family (Bob and Andrew). Who knows where it could be now? Hopefully it is still around somewhere.
I'd love to join you at the Wellington Museum to do some fact hunting, as I live not too far from there, but unfortunately am booked elsewhere this weekend.
Good Luck!
JKC
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Good morning JKC,
If Bob or Andrew might have the 'family' bible I would have no problem asking the favour of a few photographs or the time to copy info !! Just give me a phone number ... lol.
And a peak at John Jr.'s dairy would be very nice, too.
We'll have to meet at the museum someday soon.
Margaret's stone is still on the edge of the river bank and was cleared of scrub brush and the lawns were cut but I worry about this as their graves are in clear danger of being washed away if that river swells over it's banks some spring. The genealogist that I met was very worried about the state of the cemetery and the apparent lack of concern on the part of the town ... but, in my 2 visits there this summer it appears that the grounds are at least kept ... but there is indication that parts of old stones have fallen down that bank and there is lots of garbage that has been washed up there by the river in the spring.
Thanks for the pic of Robert ... I saw it this summer and the girls there took a photo for me and emailed it to me ... I sure hope that the town council starts looking after that museum soon.
So, I still don't have your name !
You know a whole lot more about me ! Come on, give it up and also tell me a bit more about yourself. .. married ? ... kids ? Did you know Anne, Bruce and Duane Currie ? They are the only young Currie's that I knew back then.
If you'd feel better about sharing info with me in another venue please feel free to email me at:
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Will let you know what I find at the W.C.M & A on Sunday.
Sharron
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I am pleased to offer an update to the Currie family search.
As we were aware, John and Margaret's son George stayed in Scotland when Margaret and her 6 youngest children emigrated to Canada but nothing much was known after that.
I was pleasantly surprised to get an email from a young woman who is directly related to George, thus, we share common 3rd & 4th grandparents Margaret and John Currie.
Very exciting news, but alas, she has very little knowledge of that side of her family and she now lives in Australia.
Can anyone help us out with any information regarding; George Currie, b. 1817, near Parton (info thanks to johking)
Warm regards
Sharron
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I have another count to the Currie family.
My ancestor, Mary Currie, married Peter Murrie from Shotts (Lanarkshire) in 1854. Her ancestry is vague as the family story says she "had no parents living" and we believe that she had lived in Shotts but at the time of marriage had been living in Glasgow with a family called Brown.
The interesting fact is that the Currie/Murrie marriage took place in Carluke, and I have found no other family connection to there and figured it must be through the Currie family.
Any assistance would be appreciated.
Thanks.
Lois
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Hi everyone! I’m a bit lost on the whole Currie family in Scotland, but I’m in the same boat as you all are. I’m from the Cory line that came from Cornwall, England in 1848 and 1849. (Henry Corry, wife Mary, and one of their son’s William b. 1839)
Going back Susanna Carlyle and Robert de Corry in the mid 1300’s, their son Thomas stayed in Scotland while his 2 brothers and parents went to England. There are “forgotten books” about the “Corrie” family in Scotland. One of these books have a line all the way from Alfred The Great to the Goldie Family marrying into the Corrie family in Scotland. There’s a William from Redbank mentioned. And I believe that covers all the way to the mid 1900’s- not certain.
I can’t find out anything about Robert & Susanna after they were granted a safe pass.
From what I gathered, if I am correct, and we are stemming from the same lines (which I’m sure we are) We come from the Carolingian Kings of Germany from Clovis to Charlemagne. From there, it’s Baldric The Teuton and the Barons of Annandale (de Courcy) that became de Corry (Corrie)...
There’s a Richardi de Cursi that is engraved on church in Normandy as one of the people who fought in battle of Hastings with William the Conqueror. There’s so many ways we could have branched off. This family has been known to live on Courcy/Corrie lands for close to eternity- seems that way...
This family was recognized as being de Courcy since the Carolus King, to William the Conqueror and this Ricardo de curci, and over into Scotland.
I’ve been doing much research on this, and we are definitely NOT the only ones with no answers. It appears that the family is non-traceable once getting into Scotland unless you know who was named what. I have read that a Hugh de Courcy went to Scotland and was a knight along with a brother Philip from 1124-1153. It was during this time that de Courcy became de Corrie. I have also seen that King Robert The Bruce took on the last name of Corry. I have also seen the there’s believe that the house of Stuart’s may actually have been Corry’s as well. I read somewhere that they spelled “Cory” differently to distinguish which family they were from.
There’s also John de Courcy that left England and fulfilled the prophecy. It’s unknown if the person who took his place was his son or not. Which if he was, that puts us in Ireland, and another explanation to different version of spellings.
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Hi! I’m Tracy. JKC if you are still on here, can you provide me some more info on Robert de Courcy lineage and his relation with the Annandale de Courcy’s (de Corrie)?
Also do you have any information on Robert de Corry that married Susanna Carlyle? His ancestors or how he descended from Charlemagne?
Also, would you have any info on their descendants?
I’m a descendant of Henry Cory born in St. Austell Cornwall England. Born 1804 I believe. I think his father was Henry French Cory. Henry Cory has a son, William, born in 1839 and they came over from Cornwall in 1849. Henry came over in 1848. From what I can figure, is Robert de Corry was granted a safe passage from Scotland, Annandale area, (“Corrie & ?” was the land they lived on...) to Cornwall England... From there, I’m having trouble tracing the Corys from Robert de Corry that moved to England to Henry Cory of Cornwall England, 400 years later.
Can you help me connect these two?
And can you provide me info on Robert de Courcy on how he was related to William the Conquerer?