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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: PrueM on Saturday 04 August 07 07:52 BST (UK)
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I have a copy of the following book, if anyone would like me to see if there's information in it about their family, I'm happy to have a look :) My great-great-great-great uncle is mentioned in it, as he carved a wooden fireplace for Salisbury Court homestead.
The book mentions the original homesteads and settlers of the region, as well as social history like Captain Thunderbolt and gold/tin mining.
Starr, Joan. (1978). Pioneering New England. Adelaide etc: Rigby Ltd.
Prue
Added - list of names mentioned:
Baker
Barney
Bent
Bowers
Britten
Browne
Caldwell
Cameron
Carleen
Cory
Costa
Cottle
Croft
Cullen
Dangar
Dawson
Dickson
Donaldson
Eichorn
Fletcher
Geldart
Gibson
Gilchrist
Gunn
Haynes
Henderson
Herring
Hewitt
Horton
Howell
Irby
Jeffrey
Jolley
Kermode
Kuskey
Lawson
Leslie
Luke
Mackenzie
Marsh
McAlpine
McCallum
McGlew
McIntyre
Merewether
Middleton
Morton
Murphy
Mylne
Nicol
O'Connell
Palmer
Paterson
Perkins
Podmore
Reberdy
Rebora
Robertson
Roper
Ross
Rossiter
Semphill
Simpson
Taylor
Templer
Traill
Tuckwood
Utz
Walker
Ward
Watt
Whereat
White
Wills
Woolnough
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Thanks for your kind offer Prue.
I am interested to know anything that might be there about the WHILEY family, I believe they were in that area before they ventured further westward.
thanks
Christine :)
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Hi Prue,
That's a very generous offer, thanks :)
Could you check for HOLMES, LOVEGROVE or SNOOK families please,
Thanks
Scrappyshaz ;D
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Hello both :D
Really sorry, there is no mention of any of those families in the book :'(
Prue
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Hi Prue
You mentioned gold mining - does it mention anywhere (place,mine) by the name of "Rocky River Diggings". I went looking for this & think I found a place near Armidale - but our ancestor was supposed to have WALKED there from Brisbane in the 1860s - so I wonder if it exists and if the story is true.
Trish
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Hi Trish :)
Sorry, nothing for you either :-\
This isn't going too well, is it!!!
Brisbane to Armidale is quite a hike - maybe he did go, but didn't walk. He would have been too tired to dig if he had! :o
Found this link, don't know if you've seen it before:
http://www.uralla.com/history/details.php?who=11
Prue
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Thanks Prue
think of the typing you were saved. :D
Christine
(who asked about WHILEY)
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;D
Well, after I posted my lookup offer, I realised the book has no index ::) ::) ::)
So the time between reading your message and posting my reply was spent going through every page and noting down names! I'll type them all into a spreadsheet and then I'll be able to search quickly in the future (not that my searches are going very well so far :-\ ;D )
Cheers
Prue
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Hi Trish :)
Sorry, nothing for you either :-\
This isn't going too well, is it!!!
Brisbane to Armidale is quite a hike - maybe he did go, but didn't walk. He would have been too tired to dig if he had! :o
Found this link, don't know if you've seen it before:
http://www.uralla.com/history/details.php?who=11
Prue
Thanks for the link Prue - it is probably the one I found before - I shall save it this time. The family had little money, it is difficult to know how else he got there - but perhaps he rode a horse - I can't imagine what type of road/track may have existed. Wherever he went it seems he did reasonably well as on his return he was reasonably wealthy ??? ???
Trish
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Hi Prue, when you get the chance, please see if there are barnes in there. Graziers Uralla,Walcha,Woolbrook and Limbri.
will be
Edward Albert Barnes
Samuel Albert do ----- father, Rest are son's
William M P do
Edgar J B do
Horace Manvers do
Walter H do
Thanks Prue, if you need anything looked up with the Tamworth Society, let me know and ill look it up when i get back in a couple of weeks.
Mick
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Hi Mick :)
No Barneses in the book, sorry :-\
I wish I could help someone!!
Thank you very much for your kind offer - I will have a think about what information might be helpful to have from Tamworth, and let you know if I need anything :)
Cheers
Prue
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Thanks Prue, i thought for sure they would be in there as they had some big land holdings.
Be happy to help in Tamworth or in Newcastle.
Once again, thanks Prue. It is people like you i meet over and over with family history that make it so addictive and a pleasure.
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You're very welcome, Mick - I only wish I'd been able to find something for you.
The book is not a definitive list of everyone who farmed or lived in the New England district, but it is a good basic overview of some of the early settlers and first homesteads in the area. Some people who are incidental to the main stories are mentioned (like my uncle).
Cheers
Prue
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Hi Prue,
I'm not after a look up as I pretty well know about all my New England ancestors (they weren't really pioneering). It was very interesting to read the list of names though. I recognise quite a lot of them that are still in the Walcha district at least.
Trish - I haven't been for a couple of years, but the Uralla Historical Society's Museum - McCrossin's Mill had a fantastic display all about the Rocky River gold diggings. Actually the whole museum is very well done and very interesting. As a locality, Rocky River still exists (there is still a primary school there). Its signposted off the New England Highway between Armidale and Uralla.
I don't get up that way very often now (only a couple of times a year), but if you'd like anything from around Uralla, Armidale or particularly Walcha, please let me know.
Debbie
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Hi Debbie
Many thanks for the information - I went to Uni at Armidale - many moons ago - and did the odd trip to Uralla - but knew nothing about the family history at that time :) . It has been about 15 years since we drove down the New England - perhaps time for another visit. I'm still wondering if he really did WALK that distance from Brisbane ??? ???
Trish
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He could have walked it. I would imagine many would have in those days.
I have been collecting old maps and coach routes from warwick-tamworth and reading about the road in the 1850-80's, trying to understand and imagine what it was like traveling between Queensland and Tamworth.
Hehe had to imagine at times when i scoot along at 100km/h up the New England HWY.
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...when i scoot along at 100km/h up the New England HWY.
Why only 100, Mick? ;) ;D
Seriously though, I guess alot of people did walk vast distances "back in the day". He could also have hitched lifts on coaches or waggons. I wish when I was younger I'd known that my Haynes ancestors were early-ish settlers in that area - would have made mum/dad stop along the road to Sydney from Brisbane as we headed south every Xmas to visit cousins! The Haynes family arrived in two parts - one lot in 1841 and one in 1842 - and travelled from Sydney to the Armidale area by bullock waggon (imagine!! :o ). They worked for Marsh on his "Salisbury Court" property, and then when Marsh bought "Boorolong" they moved up there for quite a while to manage it. That's where old Ned Haynes lived when he hand carved the wooden fire surround that still stands at Salisbury Court.
Prue
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;D 100 is safe to say!hehe
How cool would it be to take a plaster cast of the fireplace and get another made for your place from the cast! ;D
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It would be very cool indeed (or warm, as the case may be).
The current owners of Salisbury (my mate ;) Sir Owen Croft and his wife) were kind enough to take some piccies of the fireplace for me - one is attached FYI :D
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Wow, would they mind donating it to me!hehe it is sensational, the work is amazing!
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No way - I've got first dibs on it!!
Apparently he carved it all with a penknife :o Obviously being a shepherd gave one lots of free time!
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Free time or not, it is beautiful! The hours it would have taken even with todays tooling, would make it worth a fortune to make.
Thanks for sharing! His calling was sure carving.
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Thanks Mick :)
Sorry I hijacked the thread a bit, but I suppose this is kind of on-topic. Besides, it's my thread, so I suppose I can do what I like with it!!
Cheers
Prue
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Hi Prue and All,
Now you've got me enthralled with this piece of work.
I am one of those people who actually looks at the pattern in cast iron lace-work and tries to identify things in it.
Now in this lovely mantle I can clearly see a very 'thistley theme 'in the top part beautifully stylized, but totally recognizable.
But what kind of leaf and plant life do we have in the lower part?
I wonder if it is native to his new region or carved from memory from his home region.
Some people might say
'Does it matter?'
I say greatly!!
Sue
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My guess {and im not good at this sort of thing} is that its a blackboy fern in the lower section and bottle brush{banksia} above ???
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Hi Sparrett :D
Not sure what the motifs are :-\ Very stylised versions of whatever they are - Mick I think you may be right about the fern, and possibly a waratah/banksia/protea at the top?
Here's a snip of what Owen Croft wrote to me about the fireplace. Also I've included a bit of info about a local historian and a request from Owen for information about families who worked on the Marsh properties:
The carved mantlepiece is a feature in our dining room at Salisbury Court and I understand is was made as a wedding present for my grandfather, Sir Hugh Croft who managed Boorolong Station from 1896 to 1919, when he moved to Salisbury. We have just had some work done on it and the timber used was tallowwood which is amazing being so hard. Also I understand that he did all the work with pocket knives rather than wood working tools.
...Arnold Goode "Spring Creek" Uralla would be your best bet as his is a remarkable local historian.
...Matthew Marsh was my great,great grandfather. I would be interested in any information you have of your family as I am gradually accumulation histories of people who worked on any of the three Marsh properties, Salisbury Court, Boorolong, and Maryland (near Stanthorpe)
So if anyone has connections, let me know, and I'll put you in touch with my buddy Sir Owen ;) ;D
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Oh Yes!!'
I can now see the flower is not a thistle at all! It is a kind of hybrid at some glances of maybe a Banksia/Protea/thistle. That's why the leaves are not right for thistle.
It must be a very special piece as the earlier woodworkers from UK reproduced what they were good at which was Uk flora.
I think also yes about the fern.
Sue
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G'day Prue,
What a great offer, thanks. I am looking on behalf of my sister-in-law for the Jeffrey family as follows:
Peter Jeffrey 1845 ? - 1922 Tenterfield
George Kermode Jeffrey 1874 Armidale - 1955 Tenterfield
Lilian Eve Elizabeth Jeffrey (Nee Stewart) ? - 1933 Sydney
Norman Stanley Jeffrey 1878 Tenterfield - 1915 Gallipoli
Arthur Lionel Jeffrey 1880 Tenterfield - 1918 Tenterfield
Appreciate any information (if any) you might be able to provide.
Regards,
Andrew
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Hi Andrew,
You're in luck! There are a couple of pages about the Jeffrey family, mostly to do with Peter (of whom there is a drawing), but a little bit of other stuff as well.
I will send you a PM :)
Prue
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G'day Prue,
What a great offer, thanks. I am looking on behalf of my sister-in-law for the Jeffrey family as follows:
Peter Jeffrey 1845 ? - 1922 Tenterfield
George Kermode Jeffrey 1874 Armidale - 1955 Tenterfield
Lilian Eve Elizabeth Jeffrey (Nee Stewart) ? - 1933 Sydney
Norman Stanley Jeffrey 1878 Tenterfield - 1915 Gallipoli
Arthur Lionel Jeffrey 1880 Tenterfield - 1918 Tenterfield
Appreciate any information (if any) you might be able to provide.
Regards,
Andrew
Wonder if you come from the same Jeffrey's.
I come from George Scott Jeffrey and family from the same area.
Hi Prue, hope you well.
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I am Michael Jeffrey Alexander:)
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G'day Prue,
What a great offer, thanks. I am looking on behalf of my sister-in-law for the Jeffrey family as follows:
Peter Jeffrey 1845 ? - 1922 Tenterfield
George Kermode Jeffrey 1874 Armidale - 1955 Tenterfield
Lilian Eve Elizabeth Jeffrey (Nee Stewart) ? - 1933 Sydney
Norman Stanley Jeffrey 1878 Tenterfield - 1915 Gallipoli
Arthur Lionel Jeffrey 1880 Tenterfield - 1918 Tenterfield
Appreciate any information (if any) you might be able to provide.
Regards,
Andrew
Wonder if you come from the same Jeffrey's.
I come from George Scott Jeffrey and family from the same area.
Hi Prue, hope you well.
Mickalex,
Sorry about the delay in responding. The Jeffrey's are on my sister-in-laws line. I have followed the line from Peter, through George Kermode Jeffrey. I don't have much on the other Jeffrey's as yet. I do know poor old Norman Stanley Jeffrey was killed at ANZAC Cove, that's about it. So to answer our question, I am not sure! Not much of answer, sorry.
Andrew
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This will try you :) I would be interested in anything you have on Dawson, Palmer, Henderson & Camerson as they all link into my Family History. Look forward to finding out more. They are big families.
Kind regards and thanks
Robin
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Hi Robin :)
I'm away from home at the mo', will be back at the weekend and will have a look for you :)
Cheers
Prue