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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: kathhale on Tuesday 07 August 07 20:11 BST (UK)
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Hello,I wonder if anyone can advice me on if it is possible to find out who was living at a certain address in 1851.
I have a death certificate dated 1853 and on it the informant is named as William Hale address 10,susannah row Kingland road.
As the death certificate was issued in Hoxton Old Town,Middlesex,I am assuming that the address is in the same area.
I am trying to find out if the said William Hale lived at this address in 1851 or 1861.All my efforts so far have drawn a blank.
Does anyone know of an easy way to find out as I do not have a place of birth for William nor an age,although I believe that he was informing on the death of his father who was born about 1781 .
thank you for your time.Any ihelp gratefully appreciated kath ???
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you can do an address earch on the census, i don't have full access to these but don't put in any names just the address or even road / town and then go down / up page
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Hi
You carnt do a street or road address search on all the census's, I think its only on the 1881 that you can
ricky
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Hi Kath
The only way that I know is if you know the parish which the address is in and then see if you can find it on the enumertors district, it can take hours to find some, and even then there might not be a house number on the street.
regards
ricky
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Hi
You carnt do a street or road address search on all the census's, I think its only on the 1881 that you can
ricky
oh i didnt realise it was only available for the one census you can do an address search on the 1901 census site (not ancestry) 1901censusonline.com - which doesnt help here!
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Hi Toni
I agree you can do it on the 1901 site, but not on the other census, that I know off, except for the 1881 which has an address search on it. Other wise its a long trawl through the census sheets ;)
ricky
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Anyone who holds counties for the different censuses on fiche can do an address search. I can do an address search for the 1891 census for London.
Other people will hold the fiches for different years for London.
I can search the 1881 census for the whole country from the orginal CDs.
The 1901 census can be done online.
Since people moved around so much in London particularly in the poorer areas, often staying one jump ahead of the rent man addresses can be very short lived. It is always best to ask for a search for a person giving as much relevant information about them as possible to aid a search in censuses.
Regards
Valda
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Thank you everyone !
I knew it was a long shot but thought it worth asking.
will just have to wait and see if anything turns up in further research
thanks again,Kath :)
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Hello Kath,
I have an CD rom of the 1851 census- but my computer is poorly and in the PC hospital at the moment.
I am having to borrow my son's PC for now and therefore cannot access my usual programmes.
I hope ::) to have mine back soon,and will then try that address for you...watch this space ;D
Carol
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Oh , thank you Carol !!! i shall certainly watch with interest, as I do not know wht else I can do to try to find William Hale.
Thank you Kath
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Hello, Kath
Here we are.
On checking the street index for Sussannah Row I find it is not in Kingsland Rd but in Curtain Rd for both the 1851 & '61 censuses.
I have hard copy of the 1851 census name index for the Shoreditch area. This shows there are 3 entries for the surname Hale in the Hoxton Old Town area.
HO107/1536 folio 5
This for a a William Hale age 18, living in Old St.,Shoredtich, b ?Ramsgate
HO107/1536 folio 120
This is for a William Hale Wid age 81 living in Robert St., born Berks.
The third entry was for a female.
Sussnnah Row, Curtain Rd
1851 census
HO107/1534 nth side folio 309-10
sth sife folio 496
1861 census
RG9/235 Nth side folio 86-88
Sth side folio 47
I have checked all these folio nos but could find no William Hale.
I will check the other Shoreditch areas for William Hale, the index only gives surnames so it means lookng at all of the folios to find a William so it may take a little time. I will get back to you if I find one.
Meliora
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Meliora you are a star !!!
Thank you so much for taking the time to look.
I really do not know how else I am to find him.I keep trawling the census for William Hale's that look promising but keep hitting brickwalls.It is so frustrating !
Thank you again,
With kind regards,Kath Hale
PS I wonder why it says Kingsland road on the death certificate
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Hello, Kath,
Curtain St is on the western side of Shoreditch High St, reasonably close to St Leonards Church which is at the cross roads of Shoreditch High St , Old St.,Kingsland Rd.& Hackney Rd. I don't suppose it is two minutes walk from Kingsland Rd.
I did make a note of all the entries for the name of Hale in the Shoreditch area
HO107/1533 9 entries
HO107/1535 8 entries
HO107/1537 4 entries
HO107/1538 6 entries making a total of 27
I did try Ancestry I found this entry that might be of use.
HO107/1555 folio 563 page 6
High St., Bromley St Leonard.
William Hale Wid age 70 Shoemaker b Essex Caleman.
this would have been c 1781
Did the death cert say the person red'ging the death was "present at death" or "in attendence", present at death means exactly that, in attendence means they were simply red'ging the death, not having been there at the moment of death. It could be anybody, neighbour,relation, friend, not necessarily living near by.
Hope this helps,
Meliora
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Thank you for the time you have spent and for your interest.
I get totally confussed with the different areas of London/Middlesex so what you have told me certainly helps.
The death certificate says ''Wm Hale present at the death '' 10 susannah row Kingsland road.
The William Hale who's death it is, I believe is the one which you found on the 1851 census.
He was a shoemaker and at the time of his death he was living 8,Robert street.
The only problem is that they give his age as 83yrs which means he was born in 1770 not 1781 but this does not worry me as it has happened quite a lot when I have purchased a death certificate.I think people just guessed ages.
I really believe that the William Hale present at the death of William Hale was his son or some close relative but were I go from here I do not know.
Meliora,can I ask you if you or anyone else really,knows if Tower Hamlets or Limehouse is in the same area as Shoreditch,st leonard ?
Thank you again for your time I really appreciate all your help
kind wishes Kath
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All these places are in the east end of London or in the period you are interested in Middlesex just east of the square mile of the city. Then as today a densely populated area.
This website will give yoiu individual maps of each of the areas of the east end you are interested in
http://exploringeastlondon.co.uk/index.htm
Regards
Valda
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Kath,
So glad Meliora stepped in,my computer is still in the shop and I wouldn't have been able to do the look up till late next week at the earliest.
Carol
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Thank you so much Valda !!!
This will help me soooooooooooo much.
I am from Bury Lancashire and London is a complete mystery to me.I think the areas,as in Lancashire,overlap and change over the years and different people call different areas by different names so this really confusses me.
Thanks again will take a look now.
Bye Kath