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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Derry (Londonderry) => Topic started by: aghadowey on Sunday 12 August 07 15:59 BST (UK)
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Looking for children of Samuel Collins (c1835-1910). 1st wife (m.1868) Mary Jane Gilmore (c1841-1887) & 2nd wife (m.1888) Matilda Pollock (c1852-1906). Lived at Sistrakeel & Derryork (by 1903). Think there were 14 children from the two marriages: James (1869), John Gilmour (1869-75), John Gilmour (1871), Mary Ann (1872), Samuel (1873), Sarah (874), Margret (1878), Agnes Rachcel (1879), Alice (1881), David Pollock (1889) & John, Charlotte Matilda (d.y.), Matilda Charlotte?, Hannah.
On Irishgenealogy found some possible matches:
John Gilmour Collins born 1876
Charlotte M. Collins born 1888
Matilda C. Collins born 1893
Hannah Eliza Collins born 1894
Would like to know if these are Samuel's children. If anyone if able to look them up I would really appreciate help.
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found these, you might already have them.
JAMES COLLINS 1-4-1869. JOHN GILMOUR COLLINS 20-1-1871. SAMUEL 30-6-1873.
parents.SAMUEL COLLINS & MARY JANE GILMOUR. (GILMOUR ON JOHN & SAMUELS) (GILMORE ON JAMES)
all born. ballykelly, newtown limavady, tamlaght, finlagan,co. derry. found no births from other marriage.
regards mary.
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Thanks for checking Mary. Was hoping to find the 4 children I don't have details on yet.
Strangely enough James Collins born 1st April 1869 had a twin brother John Gilmour Collins who died 1875 but he didn't turn up in your search. Think the next John Gilmour Collins (born 1871) must have also died young as another son "Jack" was then named John- possibly John Gilmour Collins b.1876 on irishgenealogy site.
Had two different birthdates for Samuel Collins- 27 June and 30 June but 30th June is probably correct.
Thanks again
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have found Matilda Collins in 1911 census, living in Dublin with her (half) brother, John G Collins.
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Many thanks for that and welcome to Rootschat.
I did find them in 1911 Dublin census recently and was a bit surprised that John was manager of a grocery firm instead if a surgeon which was what a relative thought!
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Matilda was my grandmother she moved to Belfast and married my grandfather . . Her brother David Pollock and sister Hannah went to USA at about the same time
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Am thrilled to see that you are related to Matilda Collins. There was such a large family and I only have details on some.
My father-in-law remembered David visiting before he went away (he thought Canada and another connection thought David was a policeman in Toronto but they also thought Johnwas a surgeon!). David took only known photograph of father-in-law with parents and siblings in front of their house but it got lost sometime before 1950 (probably c1936).
Can't send you my email address to exchange details, if you are interested, until you've at least 3 posts.
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Did a bit more digging today and found that David Pollock Collins was a policeman in Toronto- went to Canada 1913 with sisters Agnes and Hannah and David married there in 1925. He must have made a visit back to Ireland in 1920 and this might have been when a photograph was taken.
I do have an old photo of the house at Derryork and some of the Collins/Morrow families.
I'm related to Samuel Collins' first wife but will explain all that by email if you get in touch.
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NA- have been hoping you'll soon make another post here so I can email you some family details. Best wishes, aghadowey
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Sorry to be so long in replying.
Have tried to get some additional info from my mother Catherine, Matilda's daughter. As a child she remembers having a photo of her uncle David in uniform, She believes Hannah ,who was a nurse went to USA . Her married name was Boone and she visited NI with her daughter in the 1940s. As to other siblings, Pollock relations lived in Bangor and another relation lived in Ballinasloe.
Look forward to any other info you may have.
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I am trying to find out more about the Collins family of Ballylintagh in Aghadowey if anyone has any information.
I am looking for relatives of John Collins and Eliza (Crawford?) who were married around 1840 or so and whose children include John, James, Martha, Margaret and Sarah. They were possibly presbyterians and may be related to the Collins families in Knockaduff townland in Griffith. At least one of the children is buried in Ballylintagh Prebyterian churchyard but there is no headstone.
Aghadowey - do you know who your Samuel Collins's father was and if, like his first wife, he came from the Aghadowey area?
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Samuel Collins from Sistrakeel near Ballykelly and Collin were there from early on so I don't think there's any connection to any Aghadowey ones.
1831 census- Knockaduff: Jas Collans 4 males 7 females (all Presbyterian)
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Aghadowey,
I had a look at the Derryork Griffiths Revision Books today and found in VAL12B/31/14D
that Samuel Collins took the holding labelled 9a on the Griffith sheets in 1904. He also shared a portion of the mountain with other landholders. In 1912 the holdings passed to David P Collins. He retained the holdings until 1923 when they passed to Samuel Cartwright.
Regards
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Thanks so much for making a note of those details for me. Samuel Collins died June 1910 and from what I was told he'd come to Derryork not that long before.
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Samuel Collins was my great-grandfather and his daughter, Matilda Collins was my grandmother. You mentioned in one your earlier posts that you have an old photo of their house at Derryork. I would love to see that if that was possible.
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Lovely surprise to hear from you and would love to exchange family details. After you've made 3 posts you can use PM (personal message) system and I can arrange to send you a copy of the Derryork house (still looks much the same).
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Many thanks. My grandmother was the youngest of the family. She married Gus Hughes in 1913 and spend the rest of her life in Belfast. Two of her daughters and one son are still alive. I have a interesting short story written by the husband (my uncle) of one of the daughters (my aunt) about Matilda Collins and growing up in Drumsurn. I could scan it and send it to you - fair exchange for the photo!
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Derryork you must be my cousin. We have a photo of the house taken a few years ago
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Aghadowey and NA,
I would also be very interested in the photograph. I belong to a small group in the Gelvin DED who are researching the history of the older properties in the area with the intention of publishing the information. I am one of those covering Derryork because of several family connections in the townland. I would also be interested in Derryork's short story, especially if it describes growing up in the area. I will happily forward my E-mail address by PM if you agree.
Regards
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Aghadowey, I think this is my third post - does that mean you are able to send me the photograph of the Collins house?
Many thanks!
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At the moment my scanner and computer aren't talking to each other and I have to get out the box of Collins photos but will be in touch soon.
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No hurry. Just whenever you get the chance. Thank you
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Hi aghadowey,
This is my Wife's family and I have done a little research :- Sam Collins first wife Mary Jane Gilmour (Gilmore) was born about 1841 in Carnrallagh, Aghadowey, Londonderry to John Gilmore and Mary. She died on January 25, 1887 at Sistrakeel Londonderry, Ireland.
James Collins b. April 1, 1869 Limavady Emigrated to Australia and married there. He returned for a visit after ww2 and returned to Australia. he had no family.
John Gilmour Collins married Maggie J Hazlett September 23,1907 at Adelaide Presbyterian Church, Dublin. Notice of marriage in the Coleraine Chronicle October October 19, 1907. John was Manager of Grocery Firm.
Mary Ann Collins b January 4, 1872
Samuel Collins b. June 27, 1873 Sistrakeel died 1945 Sistrakeel. Married Mary Eliza 'Minnie' Ross 1903. He was the master of Limavady Workhouse.
Sarah Gilmour Collins b. November 12, 1874 Lishokeel? Tamlacht Finlagan, Londonderry. Died July 19, 1954 at 1301 Govan Road, Glasgow, Scotland. She was my wife's grandmother. Sarah married John Joseph Morrow on July 21 1903 in Presbyterian Church, Ballykelly,Londonderry. John was a Sea Captain. Their children were John,Samuel (twins) Mary Gilmour, James Collins, Margaret Matilda and William.
Hope this helps
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Lovely to hear from another relative. I have found more information in the last few years which I would be happy to share.
Mary Jane (Gilmore) Collins also had-
-John Gilmore COLLINS born 1 Apr.1869 Sistrakeel (twin with James) died 14 Aug.1875.
-Next son (born 20 Jan.1871, died before 1875?) was given same name.
-Margaret born 2 June 1878 died after 1903.
-Agnes Rachel born 9 Dec.1879.
-Edith Alice born 8 July 1881. Known as Alice, was a nurse?, married & had at least 3 children. To Canada?
Sam and Minnie (she died after 1957 I think)had no family.
Sarah Gilmour Collins (also born Sistrakeel) m. Captain Morrow- we have photos sent back to Carnrallagh from Scotland of some of them.
From the 2nd marriage were David Pollock (1889), Charlotte Matilda (d.y.), Matilda (c1893), Hannah (c1895), possibly others.
Once you've made a few posts you can use PM (personal message) system to exchange other details, email addresses, etc.
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Hi Aghadowey,
Good to hear from you, I believe that Agnes Rachel married a Leslie Irwin of Gelvin. He was a widower and they emigrated to Canada. 1911 census has her residing with her brother David in Derryork. So must have gone to Canada after 1911.
Later
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Edith Alice Collins married (1908) Leslie Irwin of Ballyness. I know of 3 children born 1909-1919 before they left. Will have to see if I managed to find any trace of them in Canadian records.
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Sorry to but into this post but I have a Mary Collins married 1868 to William McClurg [b 1831] of Templemoyle,
Bovevagh - any connection?
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This Collins family originally from Sitrakeel townland (have notes somewhere on older details)- attended Ballykelly Presbyterian Church. Moved to Derryork in later years. Buried Ballykelly Church of Ireland.
Do you know where Mary was from?
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The marriage was in Lecumpher Presbytrerian in Desertmartin so I take it she was from that area.
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Don't think Mary is Sistrakeel family but will make a note in case I do find anything about her.
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Hi to all the relatives of my grandmother Matilda Collins and thank for your research which has filled in gaps in my tree. Matilda married my grandfather, Francis Augustine on 03 June 1914. I did visit another relative in Ballinasloe in the early 1960s but can't remember names. Interestingly their eldest son was named David Pollock Hughes and his son confirmed a Bangor connection with the Pollock name.
At the time of posting, 2 of Matilda's children are alive, a daughter and son. I spoke to the daughter last year who told me that her mother's sister were all nurses. If I find out any further information I will post it.
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Thanks for this post. You must be my cousin.
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Hello, vaddegan. Lovely to see another of the Collins family on this thread and it looks like you, NA and derryork must be related.
Strangely enough about a week ago we had the old photos of Derryork house and Collins family house and were talking about this branch of the family.
Since I started this thread I've been able to add quite a bit more details to the family tree but lots of questions still remain.
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Hi,
It may be of interest that the farmhouse which the Collins family moved to in Derryork had perviously been owned by my Great Grandfather's brother, Robert Morrison.
Regards
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Indeed, we are cousins who have lost touch since those after Christmas parties in Granny Hughes's house in Belfast in the late 50s and early 60s. I have found photo of Granny, Matilda , with her husband , Gus, outside the family shop in Divis Street, Belfast, which I will post when permitted. We knew very little of the Collins family, we were told they all emigrated to America and lost touch but it seems there could be quite an extended family on my grandmother's side.
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I am not sure if this chat is still active but I have some photographs I believe are of the Collins family farmhouse at Drumsurn and am trying to locate the house now on Google, if anyone can help?
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I have an old photo of the Derryork house and have been there a few years back. Will see if I can find the house on Streetview and send you directions - unless kingskerswell beats me to it ;)
https://www.townlands.ie/derry/keenaght/bovevagh/derryork/
I don't have a scanner (or computer) at the moment and have moved house twice in the last few months but will go upstairs and see if I can find the original photo to scan and post here.
I do have lots more detail on the Collins family since starting this thread in 2007!
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Thank you very much for that. I will post the photos I have online as well as send a link.