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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Rutland => Topic started by: yogibear on Tuesday 14 August 07 16:38 BST (UK)
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HAVING TOTALLY GONE DOWN THE WRONG TRACK,HOPING FOR SOME HELP.
I NOW HAVE MARRIAGE CERT OF MARY ELLEN LEE IN 1902 IS WAS 18 AND HER FATHER WAS LIONEL LEE A ENGINE DRIVER. ANY INFO ON 1891 CENSUS AND 1901 CENSUS WOULD BE GRATEFUL,ALSO ANY INFO ON HER PARENTS AND SIBS
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Hi yogi
1901 There is this family
Lionel Lee head mar 57 factory engine driver Rutland Empingham
Caroline " wife mar 58 "
Fanny " dau u/m 20 " ketton
Mary E " dau u/m 17 " "
Living at Aldgate, Ketton, Rutland
Rg13/ 3021
folio 27
page 26
ricky
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1891
Lionel Lee head mar 46 gen lab Rutland Empingham
Caroline " wife mar 47 "
Amos " son u/m 24 railway lab " Ketton
Fanny " dau u/m 10 scholar " "
Nellie " dau u/m 7 " " "
Anne " dau u/m 4 " "
Alfred " son u/m 13 ag lab " "
living at Ketton, Rutland
Rg12/ 2553
folio 81
page 30
Next door is a
Margaret Lee visitor u/m 15 Rutland Ketton
living in the house of Thomas Goond? and family
Can only think Nellie is Mary Ellen ???
ricky
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EXCELLANT. THANK YOU SO MUCH.ANYOTHER INFO ON EARLIER CENSUSES FOR PARENTS OR THE MARRAIGE OF LIONEL AND CAROLINE MUCH APPREIATED
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Hi yogi
1881
Lionel Lee head mar 37 gen lab Rutland Luffham?
Caroline " wife mar 38 "
Henry Jas? " son u/m 15 gen lab " "
Lionel A " son u/m 14 " " Ketton
Mary Ann " dau u/m 12 scholar " "
Harriet " dau u/m 9 " " "
Susan " dau u/m 7 " " "
Margaret " dau u/m 5 " " "
Alfred " son u/m 3 " "
Fanny " dau u/m 5 months " "
living at Aldgate, Ketton, Rutland
Rg11/ 3193
folio 25
page 11
ricky
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1871
Lionel Lee head mar 26 gen lab Rutland Empingham?
Caroline " wife mar 27 "
Henry James Lee son u/m 5 "
Mary Ann " dau u/m 2 "
living at Chapel Yard, Ketton, Rutland
Rg10/ 3307
folio 19
page 10
ricky
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1861
Susannah Lee head wid 57 charwoman Rutland Empingham
John " son mar 37 ag lab "
Susannah " mar 42 ag labs wife " Ryhall
Charles Anderson? Lee son u/m 20 under groom Rutland Ryhall
Alfred Lee son u/m 11 scholar Rutland Empingham
Lionel Lee son u/m 16 ag lab "
living at Empingham, Rutland
Rg9/ 2305
folio 80
page 8
ricky
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1851
Joseph Lee head mar 50 ag lab Rutland Empingham
Susanna " wife mar 47 "
Levi " son u/m 12 farm serv "
William " son u/m 9 "
Lionel " son u/m 6 scholar "
next door
John Lee head mar 27 ag lab " "
Susanna Lee wife mar 32 " Ryhall
Charles Anderson son u/m 10 " "
living at Empingham, Rutland
H0107/ 2092
folio 164
page 45
ricky
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1841
Joseph Lee 40 ag lab born in county
Susanna " 35 "
Levi " 2 "
Living at Empingham, Rutland
H0107/ 895/ 2
folio 7
page 8
just down the road is this family
William Lee 40 ag lab born in county
Fanny " 40 "
Jane " 15 "
Mary Clark 20 dressmaker "
ricky
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Hi Yogi
Possible Marriage
Lionel Lee
1864
Oakham
Leics/ Rutland
vol 7a
page 554
On the same page are
Sarah Lattimore
Robert Phillips
Caroline Winterton
ricky
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1851
John Winterton head mar 39 ag lab Rutland Empingham
Mary " wife mar 38 " Exton
Eli? " son u/m 10 farm serv " Empingham
Caroline " dau u/m 6 scholar " "
Bothiah? " dau u/m 4 " "
Harriet " dau u/m 1 " "
Next Door are
George Winterton mar 39 and family
living at Empingham, Rutland
H0107/ 2092
folio 145
page 7 & 8
ricky
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1861
Caroline Winterton serv u/m 18 servant Rutland Empingham
Living in the house hold of William Royce and family members
at Laxton, Northants
Rg9/ 2310
folio 56
page 16
ricky
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1841
Caroline's Parents
John Winterton 25 ag lab born in county
Mary " 25 "
John " 7 "
Ellen " 3 "
Eli " 8 months "
living at Empingham, Rutland
H0107/ 895/ 2
folio 17
page 29
ricky
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1861
Caroline's parents
John Winterton head mar 49 ag lab Rutland Empingham
Mary " wife mar 48 " Exton
Eli " son u/m 20 ag lab " Empingham
Harriet " dau u/m 12 scholar " "
Amos " son u/m 9 " " "
Arthur " son u/m 6 " " "
living next door are
Thomas Winterton head mar 55 ag lab " "
Ann " wife mar 54 " Exton
William " son u/m 27 ag lab " Empingham
Harry " son u/m 12 scholar " "
Abraham " son u/m 9 " "
living at Empingham, Rutland
Rg9/ 2305
folio 89
page 25
ricky
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Hi yogi
Possible Marriage for
Joseph Lee
1821
Empingham
Rutland
Susanna Stafford
ricky
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SO ON THE 1861 WAS LIONELS PARENTS JOHN AND SUSANNAH AND THEN JOHNS MOTHER WAS SUSANNAH WHO WAS A WIDOW? AND WAS CHARLES AND ALFRED LIONELS BROTHERS?
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FORGET THAT. LIONELS MUM WAS SUSANNAH THE WIDOW IS THAT CORRECT? AND JOHN 37, CHARLES 20,ALFRED 11 WERE HIS BROTHERS
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Hi yogi
have written as it is on the census page
Suasannah Lee aged 57 was Josephs wife from the 1851 census
Charles, Alfred and Lionel all it says is son's ???, Who they belong to it dont say
I would have thought going by the 1851 census that Lionel belongs to the widow ;)
I will see if I can find John Lee aged 37 on the 1851 census, that might clear things up
ricky ;D ;D
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hi Yogi
Just realized that John Lee is on the 1851 census living next door to Joseph and Susanna Lee, which has already been posted
ricky ;D ;D
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Hi Yogi
Have found a marriage for a John Lee to a Susanna Anderson
John Lee
1845
Sept Quarter
Stamford
Ruts/Lincs/ hunts/ Northants
vol 14
page 829
ricky
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1841
Thomas Knutt 44 ag lab Born in county
Ann " 44 "
Frederick " 16 "
Susanna Anderson 23 born in county
Mary Anderson 5 "
Charles Anderson 1 "
living at Ryhall Rutland
H0107/895/ 6
folio 6
page 13
ricky
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HI RICKY. I AM REALLY CONFUSED. PLEASE CAN YOU LOOK AT MY ORGINAL POSTING. I WAS ASKING INFO ON MARY ELLEN LEE. IT WAS GIVEN AS JOSEPH WAS HER FATHER. I NOW KNOW DIFFERENT. CAN YOU GO THROUGH IT AND SEE WHERE THEY ARE RELATED FOR ME?
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hi yogi
At the begining of the thread you asked for Mary Ellen Lee with her father Lionel Lee engine driver which I gave for the 1901 and 1891 census. After I gave them you asked me to track back for the family on earlier census's , which I have, ???
ricky ;)
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Hi Yogi
Mary Ellen Lee 1901/1891census
parents Lionel Lee and Caroline Lee nee Winterton
Lionel Lee
parents Joseph Lee and Suasanna Lee nee Stafford
ricky
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OK THANKS ITS JUST STRANGE THAT LIONEL AND CAROLINE HAD A DAUGHTER MARY ELLEN B1883 AND JOSEPH LEE 1860 AND MARY WALPOLE CALLED THERE DAUGHTER THE SAME AND WAS ALSO B1883.
IT SEEMS THAT JOSEPH LEE B1860 FATHER LEVI B1838 WAS LIONELS BROTHER . DOES THIS MAKE SENSE.
ONCE AGAIN A BIG THANK YOU.
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Hi yogi
The Joseph Lee married to Mary is a shoemaker/bootmaker on the 1901 census, Their daughter Mary E Lee is down as born Stamford, Lincs
ricky
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Hi Yogi
Levi Lee born 1839 and Lionel Lee born 1845 were brothers thier parents were Joseph and Susanna Lee ;D ;D ;D ;D see 1841/51 census
ricky ;)
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Yogi
I have a connection with the LEE family.
Lionel Amos LEE b1867 married Elizabeth Annie SEWELL b 1871 on 8th December 1892 at Ketton Parish Church. Their witnesses were Henry James LEE and Mary Ann LEE.
They had a son Albert b1895.
At this time I don't know of any further children of theirs.
Elizabeth Annie SEWELL was my Grandfathers older sister. He was Ernest Edward SEWELL b 1875 at Wittering as was his sister.
I hope you are still looking at this site and find this of some interest.
Ed.
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Further info re Lionel Amos LEE
According to 1911 census he, his wife Elizabeth Annie (nee SEWELL) and only son Albert were living at Aldgate, Ketton in Rutland.
Lionel was a General Labourer and Albert was an Apprentice at a Motor Car Works.
Albert LEE b.1895 was married in the Stamford Registration district (7a 546 JUN 1925) to Elsie Elizabeth NEWELL b1903. (propbably Ketton. I havn't checked it yet)
I hope this adds to someone's records and not only mine.
ES