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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: jimgillbanks on Friday 31 August 07 17:29 BST (UK)
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Hi, I am looking for the parents of Myles Gillbanks born 1859 at Kirkby Ireleth, in the Furness area of Lancashire, he was probably baptised at St. Cuthbert, Beckside. Any information gratefully received.
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Hi,
Not sure if you have this, but he is with his grandparents in 1861. Some of family are transcribed as Gillbanser and some Gillbanks but they all look like Gillbanks on original
John Gillbanks...head..age 66...slate quarrier...brn Kirkby Ireleth
Betty..wife...age 59..brn Lindal, lancs
Issac..son..age 28..slate quarrier...brn Kirkby Ireleth
William..son..age 17..slate quarrier..brn Kirky Ireleth
Christina..daur..age 14..scholar...brn Kirkby Ireleth
Jane Jones..grand daur...age 9..scholar..brn London
James Gillbanks..grand son..age 9..scholar..brn Kirkby Ireleth
Roger Gillbanks..grand son..age 7..scholar..brn Kirkby Ireleth
Miles H Gillbanks..grand son..age 2..brn Dalton, Lancs
Living at Skell?? Hill, Kirkby Ireleth
RG9 Piece 3172, folio 86, page 22
Susan
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There is a birth on freebmd that looks like it could be yours
Miles Walmsley Gillbanks
June 1859 Ulverston 8e 629
The H in the cenus above could be a mistake
Susan
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Hi Rainbowuk, I have that information, but need to find the name of his father, thank you for taking the time to help, Regards, Jim.
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Hi
I got a copy of James Gillbanks 1852 ( brothers Roger (1854) and Myles Walmsley (1859) birth certificate and his Mother Elizabeth Gillbanks born 1 Jun 1827 and she did not provide a name for the father or his occupation there was just a dash in column for those.
It is a bit of a mystery isn't it?
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Hi Dianelakes, renewed my search and have found that there was a Myles Walmsley born Cartmel, Lancashire in 1805 living in the same area of Dalton as Elizabeth Gillbanks in 1851 and 1861, that certainly points to a possible Father, although he was married at the time., Regards, Jim.
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In my search I found that Elizabeth died in 1860 and it seems grand parents brought them up when I looked at the 1861 census but they also had a granddaughter aged 9 Jane Jonesborn in London with them. I hav e no idea who she is.
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Hi Dianelakes, I have tried to find out who she is, she was born London in 1852-3 apparently, and John and Betty's daughter Isabella born 1825 married Henry Collyer and lived in London, but apart from that there is no other connection to London that I know of. If you don't mind me asking, where is your connection to the Gillbanks families?
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1891 - living in Ulverston
Name Age
William J Hamell 45
Jane Hamell 40 - born London
William E Hamell 17
Alexander Hamell 16
Roseanne Hamell 10
John Hamell 8
Samuel Hamell 6
Mary Jones 68 - born Kirby Ireleth - mother in law
1841
George Myles 49
John Gillbankes 45
Betty Gillbankes 38
Mary Gillbankes 18 *******
Isabela Gillbankes 16
Elizabeth Gillbankes 14
Ann Gillbankes 12
Isaac Gillbankes 10
John Gillbankes 7
Martha Gillbankes 8 Mo
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1851 Dec qtr
Jones Jane St Pancras 1 389 mmn Gillbank
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Hi lancsann, thank you for your information regarding Janes Birth date, I have found the marriage of Mary to Edward Jones M1951 Westminster i 397. so it looks like that little mystery has been solved.
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My mother was Eileen Mary Gillbanks she was the daughter of Myles Gillbanks 1895 to 1977 who was my grandad he was married to Margaret Lister 1896 to 1960 (she was being buried as my Mam was giving birth to me). His Dad was James Gillbanks 1852 to 1918 who married Ann Pilkington 1857 to 1939.
James mother was Elizabeth Gillbanks 1827 to 1860 and she did not name the fathers name on my great Grandads birth certificate. she also had Roger 2 years later and then there was a seven year gap before she had Myles Walmsley Gillbanks which makes me think there was a different father involved. Boy must have Annie Pilkington her Mam been mad.
Elizabeths parent were John Gillbanks and Elizabeth Shaw.
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Hi Dianelakes, thank you for your potted history, James' Father was more than likely William Woodend as he named his daughter Jane Woodend, some Trees have Woodend as James' middle name. I did have a public Tree on Freepages that I built over 15 years, until Ancestry took them over and deleted them in October last year which gave more detailed information, and drew a conclusion that William was the Father of James, but it is all gone now. John Gillbanks' Father was Isaac Gillbanks 1758-1826, Mother Isabella Newby 1762-1826, then Isaac Gillbanks 1732-1798, then Isaac Banks/Gillbanks 1691-
1750 etc, etc, I suppose you already have all these, but if you haven't I can furnish a bit more. Regards, Jim.
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Oh boy yes He referred to himself as I believe as James Woodend and Jane (Janie) his daughter who went to America has Woodend as her middle name.
I have a wooden gift plaque in front of me that Janie Woodend gave to Myles my Grandad in America's to wife Maggie Lister:
FOLKS NiCE TO KNOW
It's the thoughtful folks
The kindly folks
The neighborly folks like you
Who make the world a happier place
By all they say and do
Angels who write in the book of life
Have them listed as God's who's who
The thoughtful folks, the kindly folks
The neighborly folks like you
On the back she has hand written in to the wood in pencil 'To sister Maggie and Myles (which she seems to have put Myles as an afterthought)
Best of luck to you always.
Jim where are you in relation to m
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Hi Diane, so it looks like we agree his Father was William Woodend? That is a nice sentiment on the plaque. According to Ancestry you are my Fifth Cousin,I go from John about 1630 Isaac 1691,-Isaac 1732,-Joseph 1781,- Isaac 1813,- James 1852,-George 1876, Matthew 1900, then myself 1936. Your branch goes off with Isaac 1732's Son Isaac 1758-John 1795 etc. I have taken a yDNA test hoping to match with another Gillbanks, but either nobody else has tested, I do have a faint trace with a Ken Gillbanks from Surrey or suchplace, but not enough to give a relationship, probably one of those Frisian raiders from the 5th century.I'll leave you to digest that lot and hope to speak again. Jim.
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Hi Jim
15 years of research went just like that they should have warned people.
Do you still have a tree on Ancestry as my trees are there.
I only put William Woodend as a possible father but couldn't find anything about this man. Do you have any information on him Jim?
I wonder where that leaves Roger's Dad.
Diane
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Hi Diane, I believe they did warn people to move their trees, but not by email, just a notice on the site, unfortunately I hadn't been on there for a few weeks, so didn't see it. No, I don't really know anything about William Woodend except the basic, Roger Gillbanks' Father was John William Hanson a Swedish seaman who's ship was in a local port. Anyway Elizabeth became pregnant, a regular occurance, and Mr Hanson went like the ship in the night to America, a Cousin of yours Kay Simms from Leigh, her Grandmother Elizabeth 1883-1966 was Roger's daughter, traced him via DNA to a family in the States, I believe they get on famously. Yes I do still have a Tree on Ancestry, but don't know how to let you see it, if you do, let me know. Regards, Jim.
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Oh wow I am going to have to amend my tree for Roger then.
I hope I don't make any major boo boos in the process.
I don't know how to access someone else's tree either maybe we could ask ancestry or maybe you know you said I branch off at Isaac at 1732 if you could give me some of your branches details so that I add them to my tree and i get the hint leaves with other ancestry trees becoming available to look at.
Is Lancasann part of our clan too?
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HIi Dianelakes we will start with John Gillbanks 1795-1862 who married Betty Shaw. his parents were
Isaac Banks/Gillbanks 1758-1826 and Isabella Newby 1782-1828, his Father was Isaac Banks/Gillbanks 1732-1798 and Agnes Carter 1719-1803, his father was Isaac Banks/Gillbanks 1691-1750, and wife Margaret ??. his Father was Thomas 1655-1703 and Grace Vertue 1662-1706, his Father was most likely John, born about 1630. I shall see if there is anything on the site that gives advice about sharing. I don't know about Lancasann. I have a tree of Roger's descendants I made a few years ago, I'll see if I can upload it. No, iI can't send it. If you give me your Email address I can send it there as I have just sent it to myself. Regards, Jim.
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Hi Jim
My email is
diane.79harris@btinternet.com
Regards
Diane
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Hi Jim
Thanks for the trees for Myles and Roger.
I have found your tree as well on Ancestry.I went on the one leaf hint for Thomas Gillbanks 1665 - 1704 (I always leave the leaf hint that says review other member trees) and scrolled down members trees on the left and lo and behold your GILLBANK tree member jamesgillbanks was there.
I can see we have much research to take from each other.
My tree is called Myles Gillbanks family tree and my member name you will see is diane_79harris.
I have managed to untangle Roger and add John William Hanson the seaman.
Diane
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Hi Diane, I also sent you the Gillbanks Tree to your email address, did you not get it? I will have a look at your tree. Regards, Jim.
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Tried opening it but my computer didn't seem to like Microsoft Publisher will get one of my sons to have a look at it.
So your Dad was Matthew Gillbanks and your Mum Sarah Betteridge?
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Hi Diane, I have difficulty opening these apps sometimes, Is telling you it can't open it or does it just appear as a shapeless mass? If you can't open it, I could try converting it to Acrobat Reader, but it might throw the format out of shape. Yes Matthew Gillbanks and Sarah Jane Betteridge were my parents. Jim.
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Just won't let me open it Jim so I will try converting to Acrobat Reader.
Your Mum didn't have it easy did she and you were only two and Ronald one when she died.
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Hi Diane, she certainly didn't, losing four children is a hard thing to bear, then to have TB would break anyone, I never knew what she looked like, my Sister June said my Dad had a biscuit tin with photos in it, but my Stepmother destroyed them all, I have tried finding pics of her, School photos ec, but no good, I'll just have to wait for the Afterlife to find out.;D I have tried converting the file to Acrobat Reader but have been unsuccessful, if all else fails I can post it to you via Snailmail. there is a site on Facebook called Gillbanks Descendants, it would be worth you joining. Jim.
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We are all going to have a great party in the afterlife I think Jim but it is going to be hard yards sorting out who belongs to who but then it doesn't matter a jot - tried inserting the emoji smiley and my computer won't let me do that either.
June must be older than you then I can't see anybody on your tree classed as living so I am guessing things.
There is one chap on Ancestry that I found some things for my research and he must have posted himself as dead and added a photo. Now that is what I call a sense of humour but a great way to see the full line of descendants.
Snailmail what on earth is that!
Will venture in to Facebook then!
I guess in the meantime you will have to look at yourself and June and any of your Dad and build a picture of the bits that look like Matthew and the bits that must have come from your Mum.
I wonder but I guess you have tried this is to do an ancestry tree search from a leaf on your Mum's side the Betteridge's to see who is also doing their tree and may have added a photo.
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Hi Diane, snailmail is just ordinary mail :D I did enquire of the other Betteridge familes whether they had a photo of my Mum, but got no luck June was christened Sarah June instead of Sarah Jane after our Mum, by my Aunt Emma didn't like Jane, and gave Sarah June when asked by the Vicar. You will enjoy the Gillbanks Descendants although not too many are writing in just now. Jim.
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Had such a laugh with my grown up sons today thanks to you when I was telling them about you. They know the coat cupboard shelf is filled with files of genealogy of my family. I said about snail mail and my 34 year old son Ian (middle 3 letters of my name somebody said Diane you have got to name this baby) who still lives at home the other boy and two girls have moved out. I said snail mail and Ian said Royal Mail Mam. We just about rolled on the floor laughing.
I like Aunt Emma who was she Jim?
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Hi Diane, now you know what Snail Mil is. LOL. Emma was my Dad's sister born in 1902, I believe she was very bossy as a child, looks like it carried over to adulthood, I always wondered why my Mum or Dad didn't change it back again. I think you can register fora Free Guest Account on Ancestry if you have a paid Account, or at least I think that's what it means. Jim.
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I guess they didn't want to mess with Emma then or thought what the heck June is nice and it looks like your sister thought so too. There is black sheep and a bossy one in everyone's family I guess Jim. My sister was or i should say is but we don't speak now is the bossy one.
I know I shouldn't but I kinda like Elizabeth Gillbanks in a way she stands out a mile on the tree with so many questions that I would like to ask her.
Tell you what though I wouldn't be many of the women I have researched in the trees I have been building. Did they have it tough or what! I would rather have gone down the pit than go through what some of our brave female ancestors went through.
What advantages are there to a guest account Jim when I have a paid account?
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Hi Diane, they certainly did have a hard time, many of them had 10 kids, and there are a few who had 15 kids, even with all the modern facilities I don't think many women now would cope.I don't think having a paid account would let you see myTree, but I don't want it public, there is a wayI can invite you to see it as a guest, I'll just have to see how. Jim.
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Hi Diane if you are registered you can be invited to view someone else's tree, I would need your email address I think that is all . On you ancestry account click on HELP and scroll down to the various catagories and see if I'm correct. Jim.
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Hi Diane, I have invited you to see my tree, it's by email. Jim.
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Hi Jim
I can see your tree and I am going to have such a lot of fun looking at all your research.
I am only having a sneak peek at the moment as I am on my lunch hour at work.
Oh you are a twin that's amazing. I have always been fascinated by identical twins and the way they connect to each other.
I love the fact you have photos too they are amazing.
Have a good day
Diane
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Hi Diane, glad you found the site, are you looking at the Gillbanks Family Tree, or GILLBANK, the GILLBANK on is the one I started for the New Zealand branch primarily and haven't advanced it much, the one on Freepages had lots more on it, and the NZ mob had lots of kids, I shall have to try building that up again. I also have my tree on the Sims Family Tree, Kay Sims owns, and pays for the site, and on my DNA matches is an AlisonHarris47 listed as a Fourth Cousin, is she any relation to you? The funny thing is that on my Gillbanks Family Tree she is not shown, that is a puzzle. Best Wishes, Jim.
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Hi Jim
It is the Gillbanks tree I am looking at.
I don't know of an Alison Harris as I have not started looking at my husband David Harris' family he was born in Ealing London and his Mam and Dad were from London too.
I need to add more details about me and my brother and sister to make it more up to date at some point.
Yeah it's Friday
Diane