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Does anyone have any connections to the surname Veighey from this area?
Many thanks!
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are you looking for info. on someone with that name? can you fill us in.
regards mary.
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I am looking for a James Veighey b. 1887 in Dunaweel, Cavan. He later went on to marry Isabella Montgomery who is somehow connected to General Bernard law Montgomery. The link is possibly brother and sister.
Jane
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as far as i can gather this is the montgomery family.
SIBIL FRANCES. HAROLD ROBERT. MAUD WINIFRED. DONALD STANLEY. BERNARD LAW. UNA. DESMOND. COLIN ROGER. BRAIN FREDERICK.parents. HENRY MONTGOMERY & MAUD FARRAR.
REGARDS MARY.
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Thanks for replying to Jane who was trying to do some research on my behalf.
My Grandfather was callled James Veighey b 1887 from Dunaweel, Killeshandra, Cavan, he was married to Margaret Morrisson. They married in 1919 in a place called Corlespratten (not sure of spelling). I have a copy of the marriage certificate of my grandparents which states that Isabella Montgomery was the mother of James , Isabella was married to James Veighey do not have any dates of birth for Isabella or James, only that my Grandfather James was born in 1887 (the same year as General Montgomery).
My father keeps telling me that his father James (b 1887)was a cousin of General Montgomery. The only information is that Isabella was related to General Montgomery. Isabella was married twice firstly to my great grandfather James Veighey and then after he died she married someone called with the surname Gibson. Photos of 'Monty' - General Montgomery are the image of my Father's brother William James Veighey born around 1920.
Any help would be appreciated.
Many Thanks
Margaret
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hello margaret, welcome to rootschat, i found a marriage & birth for the area that you mentioned.
i am guessing they are related to your james.
marriage.MATTHEW VEIGHEY AGE 28 TO HARRIET DUNCAN AGE 24 ON 8-5-1856 KILLESHANDRA, CAVAN, IRE. FATHERS. GILBERT VEIGHEY & WILLIAM DUNCAN.
birth. JOHN VEIGHEY 9-4-1869 KILLESHANDRA, CAVAN, IRE. parents. MATHEW VEIGHEY & HARRIET DUNCAN.
regards mary.
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I am still searching.
Do you have any info on Henry Hutchinson Montgomery's siblings (General Montgomery's father) as I am wondering if the Isabella Montgomery I am looking for may be a sibling of his.
Thanks
Margaret
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Hi Im Nikki
My Great Grandmother was Harriett Veighey from Cavan she married a George Gordon and settled in Dublin. They had 7 Children,
if you would like any more information on this please feel free to drop me a mail
thanks
ps Happy Christmas ;D
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Hi Nikki,
Thanks for the reply.
I will send you a personal message.
Many Thanks
Regards,
Margaret
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Hi Nikki,
I still haven't received a reply from you since I sent you a persoal message but according to my Father this looks like this is a relation.
Any more information would be appreciated.
Many Thanks
Margaret
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Hi hope someone can help me. I am trying to trace a branch of my family tree which I am having absolutely no luck with!!!!
My great-great grandfather was William Veighey, he married in Belfast in 1886 and his fathers name was Andrew Veighey. But I don't know when or where William was born or where Andrew was from and Cavan seems to be the only other place that I can find any mention of Veighey's at this time.
HELP PLEASE!!!!!!!
Paul
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Hi Paul,
Like you I am not doing very well trying to find any 'Veighey' information.
My Grandfather James Veighey was born in Cavan in 1887 and he was the only son of James Veighey & Isabella Montgomey, unfortunately I do not have any dates of birth for James or Isabella. James who married Isabella had other brothers but I have been unable to find any information about them.
Perhaps your William is a brother of James. One thing I do know is that my father has told me that his father James Veighey had first cousins that lived in Belfast. The name is certainly very unusual, unfortunately the Veighey name has stopped now in my family, I was one of three girls so the family name has not continued and my father's brother William and sister never had any children.
I will talk to my father at the weekend and see if he can throw any light on your William and Andrew.
Happy hunting.
Margaret
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Hi I am going to post what I know in the hopes that someday someone will establish a link to what they know!!!
William Veighey born abt. 1857 married Martha Roberts in Belfast on 27th June 1886. They had 5 children, Robert (born abt. 1891), Jane (born 19th Sep. 1892), Andrew (born abt. 1897), Samuel James (born abt. 1899) and William (born abt. 1901).
William Veighey's father's name is James Veighey and is listed on his son's marriage certificate in 1886 and it says he is a carter?? (possibly)
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could'nt find any births,found four veighey marriages, may be wm. relations.i will puts wm. on for you incase you dont have the church.
WM. VEIGHEY TO MARTHA ROBERTS 27-6-1886 @ST.ANNES COFI SHANKILL, BELFAST, ANTRIM.
MARIA VEIGHEY TO WM. BURGESS 5-11-1882 SAME CHURCH.
ELIZABETH ANNA MAUD VEIGHEY TO WM. OWENS 3-10-1899 @ ST. MARYS COFI SHANKILL. BELFAST ANTRIM.
WM. VEIGHEY TO CATHERINE CARBERRY 12-8-1921 @ ST.JOHNS LAGANBANK COFI, KNOCKBREDA, BELFAST, ANTRIM.
REGARDS MARY.
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Hi thanks...Not sure how the other people fit in but I know that the Wm. Veighey and Martha Roberts is right..
Thanks again.
Paul
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I have been doing some research on the "Carswell" family name and I have come across a Sarah Veighey born 1854 who married a Henry Carswell in Belfast in 1879 They had three children Henry 1883, Lizzie 1885 and John 1890. John is my Grandfather.
Sarah Carswell nee Veighey lived in west Belfast in North Queen Place. She had a brother William born 1856 who married Martha Roberts, William having lived in North Queen Place before being married. His father on his marrage cert is James Veighey a carter this confirms the relationship of brother and sister to Sarah as James is the father to both Sarah and William. Martha father is Samuel Roberts and they lived in 3 Cullingtree Place.
Since this is an old thread I will try and send a PM to all on the thread so far. Sure what else would do to help cousins!!!
I am interested in trying to get James Veighey's wifes name.
Nearly all the Veighey's in the 1911 census (of acertain age that is) are from Armagh but ironically there are no Veighey's in Armagh at that time
Kind regards
Des
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Welcome to Rootschat but new members usually need to make 3 posts before using PM (personal message) system (you'll see a little green scroll under person's name on left side of their post).
www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php
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Rules Rules Rules ya gotta love them
Des
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Hi Des,
Welcome to Rootshat.
I have not had any information from anyone for ages on this thread, I did get asked for some information from a couple of people on this thread who had links with my family but unfortunately I haven't heard anymore from them.
My grandfather James Veighey was born in 1887, (he married Margaret Morrison) he was an only child his father was also called James and he married Isabella Montgomery.
According to my father his grandfather had 3 brothers and they all worked for the gentry one of them went to work in Redhills, Southern Ireland, think he may have been called John. Another brother went to work in Co Meath, S Ireland and another brother went to Belfast,( he had a son called Jack and another one called Herbie).
I do not have any dates of birth or death for James (who married Isabella Montgomery), all I know is that on the 1911 free Irish Census that he had died prior to that as Isabella had remarried John William Gibson and my grandfather James was 24 on the census.
Don't know if this is of any help to you.
Margaret
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I have now found out that on the 1911 Census my grandfather's (James Veighey born 1887) mother Isabella Montgomery had remarried when James was 7 years old to John William Gibson. James was an only child.
I am still trying to find out any information on James's father also called James, which appears on his birth certificate, James' father had brothers that all worked for the gentry on the land. James junior worked for Lord Farnham in Cavan.
I have recently come across an Elsie Veighey whose son contacted me, Elsie was born about 1903 and was probably a first cousin of my grandfathers ( she came from Co Kildare). Elsie's father was called William and he married twice, second marriage was to Maria. Elsie appears on the 1901 census as Ellsie.
Any information on James senior would be appreciated.
Thanks
Margaret
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Hi my name is Kimberley, the youngest daughter of James Veighey (born 1930) and my grandparents were William Veighey married to Catherine Carberry, both born 1901. My grandfather was the youngest of 5 children but i would love it if anyone could enlighten me on some more of my family tree.
Many thanks
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It seems that from what i have read from other postings before this that my family came from Co Cavan, If anyone has any information on my grandfathers (William Veighey born 1901) other siblings, i would be grateful to find out
Many thanks
Kimberley
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Have you looked for your grandfather's family in 1911 census yet? If he was born in 1901 and still living in Ireland 10 years later you should be able to find him-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search
Taking a quick look I can only see 5 William Veigheys in census (none in Cavan).
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Hi my name is Kimberley, the youngest daughter of James Veighey (born 1930) and my grandparents were William Veighey married to Catherine Carberry, both born 1901. My grandfather was the youngest of 5 children but i would love it if anyone could enlighten me on some more of my family tree.
Many thanks
Hi Kimberley,
My name is Des Carswell. Your Grandfather and grandmother are in my family tree in that William Veighey (born 1901) was the son of a William Veighey and a Martha Roberts both born in 1856. I have a picture of both of them in later years. William Veighey your GGrand father was a brother of my GGgrand mother Sarah Veighey who married a Henry Carswell in Belfast in 1879. I have a family tree that shows the connection if you forward me an email address I will send it on together with the pictures.
They are not great quality photos but are nice to have. I think Kimberley that would make us cousins. Your Great grand father had three brothers and one sister Robert born 1891, Andrew born 1897, Samuel J born 1899, and a sister Jane born 1893. The family originate in Armagh but moved to Belfast in the 1860 I believe. Your GGGrandfather was James Veighey and his wife was Eliza Greer
I'll send the tree as soon as you let me have the address
Regards
Des
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Once Kimberley has made another post she should be able to use PM (personal message) system to exchange email addresses, recent family details, etc. which aren't allowed to be posted on the boards.
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Welcome to Rootschat, another Veighey!!
All of a sudden this thread has sprung into action again as it has been quiet for a while until Des came on board. He has been very helpful.
Des has already sent me a photo of William Veighey who married Martha Roberts (your great grandparents) and onlooking at the photo of William there is a resemblance with my grandfather James who was born in 1887 - he was an only child and his father too was called James, I do know that James senior had several brothers that worked for the gentry in various parts of Ireland, links with Co Meath, Redhills Cavan Co Kildare and Belfast.
I noticed that you need to make another posting before you can send and receive personal messages.
I did meet a Jack Veighey in Belfast around 1965 (he had a brother Herbie and a sister - although I never met them).
If you reply to this posting we will be able to exchange personal messages with you.
Best wishes
Margaret
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I have been looking at the 1911 Census and there is a Mathew Veighey aged 82 with 2 sons John (33) and Mathew(31) and a daughter Sarah (37) living in Redhill Demesne. According to my father Mathew was probably a first cousin of his father James Veighey born in 1887, Killeshandra ( James he was an only child). He met 2 of Mathew's children when he was young and thought that they never married.
James' father died when James was very young and there is an entry on the LDS site for a James Veighey born 1861 who died in 1891, he was married to Isabella Montgomery and she is 86 living with her 2nd husband and stepson James Veighey on the 1911 census.
I have been talking to an 98 year Veighey this week who has told me that his father William Richard Veighey was born in Killeshandra. From the 1911 census William is 47 living with his second wife Maria (first wife died in childbirth after second child) and family. William worked at Ballysax Manor, Co Kildare as a coachman to the gentry. William's daughter Elsie born in 1901 was a first cousin of my grandfather James born 1887 who I met in the 1970s.
Does anybody have any information on Mathew or William's fathers or brothers and sisters.
Thanks
Margaret
:)
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Hi Nikki,
I did send you a personal message in Dec 2007, but it probably didn't get through. I was looking at your info just now and wondered if you will get this message. Do you know who your great grandmother Harriet Veighey's parents were and where she was from ?
I am sure she is related to my Dad's ancestors.
Margaret
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I just thought I would add the latest information that I have managed to find out from a couple of sources recently:
1st source is Harriet Veighey's great grandaughter: 'We think my great grandmother Harriet veighey was the youngest daughter of Matthew ( which was difficult to find info on because she didn't appear in the census in her fathers house as she was married to my great grand father Frederick Gordon at the age of 22) She was in service in a house in Killiney co. Dublin but from my grandfather I knew for a fact that she came from Cavan. Her mother may have also been Harriet as i have discovered through rootschat, Unfortunately her name was not included in the census we believe she was deceased at the time. as far as i can make out matthew had two sons and two daughters John, Matthew, Sarah and Harriet - this information now confirms that there was another daughter that originally lived in Redhills - Harriet would have been a 1st cousin of my grandfather along with Mathew, John and Sarah who lived in Redhills - my father met Matthew and Sarah when he was young
2nd source is granddaughter of Robert Veighey b 1891 - Robert married Sarah Burnside (shoemaker family). Robert and Sarah had 10 children. I found Robert on the 1911 census in William and Martha Veighey's house living in Antrim. Also found Sarah in a Burnside house on the 1911 census, living with her family pre marriage and her father was a shoemaker in Durham St Smithfield, Antrim. There has got to be a link here to my Veighey relatives but I am having difficulty working it out, I do know that my father had had relatives in this area!
If anyone can add anymore information I would be very grateful.
Thanks
Margaret
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Hi Margaret
sending my heartfelt sympathy to you and your family on the loss of your father
you and your parents have been a great help on my fathers family
big hugs
Berni
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Thanks Berni for your good wishes, I have passed them onto my family.
I had a friend work on a great photo of my Dad for the order of service, he looked very good for 87 in the photo, it was a photo with my Mum, but my friend removed my Mum from the image, so my Dad was in the photo on his own, amazing what you can do with photo software!
I am even more keen now to find the missing links to my Dad's heritage, he started life in Dunaweel, Killeshandra!
Take care
Margaret
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Hello,
I’m researching an Esther Veighey of unknown dates and origin who was married to a John McKenzie (c. 1796 – 1864). They lived in Derryoghill townland which is in Tyrone but borders Armagh. So far, I haven’t been able to link Esther to any other Veigheys except by geography but I might as well list what I have found in case it helps any of you.
From the Armagh Diocesan wills index on PRONI web site (the wills have not survived):
Thomas Veaghy, Linen Weaver of Derryoghill – 1758 (suggesting my Esther was from Derryoghill herself)
John Veaghey – 18 Jun 1818 (unknown location)
1796 Freeholder record for John Veaghey in Moy (Moy is in Tyrone, very close to Derryoghill, also borders Armagh, possibly the John Veaghey who died in 1818?)
Tithe Applotments records for the 1830s:
Matthew Veaghey in Derryoghill (Tyrone portion of Clonfeacle Parish)
Robert Vehey in Drumsollan Upper (Eglish Parish, Armagh)
No Veigheys or variants that I can see in Loughgall or Grange parishes.
I have a historical reference from 1835 to a Thomas Vaghey from Tullygoonigan which is in Grange parish. He would have been an adult at the time.
In Griffiths Valuations, there aren’t any Veigheys or variants in Clonfeacle, Eglish, or Loughgall parishes but there are 3 in Grange Parish:
John Vahy, Allistragh
Sarah Vahy, Tirgarve
Thomas Vahy, Aughnacloy
Having the 1835 record for the name in Grange and then 3 households in different Grange townlands in Griffiths makes me think that there probably were Veigheys in Grange at the time of the Tithe Applotments. They may just have been on land that wasn’t subject to tithes?
Certainly Grange Parish seems to have been the home of the Veigheys by the time of Griffiths Valuation and by the time of civil registrations.
Reading through this thread, it seems there are a lot of descendants of Gilbert Veighey via either his son James and Eliza Greer or his son Matthew and Harriet Duncan. I’ve pieced together some other Veighey branches and I found 2 that I would guess are probably from the same Gilbert Veighey or closely linked since they use the name Gilbert:
1. Gilbert Veighey married Jane Borland in Armagh in 1866. The family moved to Belfast some time in the 1870s.
2. Eliza Veighey married William John Sleator in Armagh in 1864. This family named one of their sons Gilbert. They’re on the 1901 Census Allistragh and the 1911 Census in Lisdonwilly (both are in Grange Parish).
I have more information about these and some other Veighey families from Armagh but none of it really helps me right now so I’ll be putting Veighey research aside unless I can help somebody else here.
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Hi ansimi,
I am connected to the Veighey surname by a great great grandmother Sarah Veighey born in Armagh in 1854 and married in Belfast in 1879 to Henry Carswell.
Sarah and her brother William, also born in Armagh, was the daughter of James Veighey and Eliza Greer who were married in the "District Church in Grange" Armagh.
In the 1870 and 1877 street directory for Belfast a James Veighey lived in 35 Willow Street in Belfast and in 1880 the house resident changed to William Veighey. From the burial record in the Belfast City Cemetery, James at the time of his death lived in 21 Cullingtree street and died aged 44 in 1879. His wife Eliza Greer died in 1891 aged 52 with both being buried in the same grave.
On Eliza Greer's and James Veighey's marriage cert Eliza's father is Andrew Greer, a name that is carried on in future generations as Andrew Greer Veighey.
Eliza's father Andrew Greer is a farmer in Grange Co Armagh. James Veighey's father is Gilbert Veighey and his occupation is stated as farmer also. Given the ages on the burial notices it seems that James would have been born in 1835 and Eliza in 1836. Their first child Sarah was born in 1854 making Eliza a very young mother indeed for that time.
I have noted the Jane Boreland and Gilbert Veighey marriage but could not tie that Gilbert to James's Gilbert and certainly the dates don't seem to add up. Given James's year of birth 1835 his father is likely to have been born around 1815 or earlier.
I would be very interested in any information you may have on the Veighey connection.
Des Carswell
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Des,
I sent you an email with some more that might help with your Veighey-Greer line.
Margaret,
Since I was looking at your Veigheys, I decided to poke my nose into your Montgomerys too.
It sounds like you still might not have the marriage registration for Isabella Montgomery and James Veighey. I found the index reference: Cavan, Oct-Dec 1886, Volume 3, Page 51. The familysearch index has an error that puts the Veighey side of the marriage in 1836 instead of 1886 but the volume and page numbers match.
From the census returns, we know that your Isabella Montgomery was born in Cavan, her mother’s name was also Isabella, she had a sister named Mary Anne, and she had a sister-in-law named Amelia who was born in Leitrim.
Familysearch has partial details for the birth of a Mary Anne Montgomery in Killishandra on 8 Sep 1864 to George Montgomery and Isabella Ellis (Cavan, 1864, Volume 13, Page 113). Mary Anne’s age isn’t consistent between the 1901 and 1911 census returns but I’m sure that this is her. There was a George Montgomery as the only Montgomery in Dunaweel in Griffiths. There is also a registration for an unnamed baby girl to the same parents on 4 Apr 1869 (Cavan, 1869, Volume 8, Page 129). I don’t see a marriage registration for the parents so it was probably before civil registration and Isabella probably had several older siblings.
I traced the sister-in-law Amelia to a marriage of Amelia Johnston and George Montgomery registered in the Mohill District, Oct-Dec 1887, Volume 3, Page 187. The date is consistent with the birth of their first child on the 1901 census and the location is consistent with her having been born in Leitrim. The only possible death record I see for Isabella’s brother George Montgomery would be Cavan, Jan-Mar 1894, Volum 3, Page 74, Age 31.
I think Isabella’s father George must be the George Montgomery of Dunaweel who died 13 Oct 1878 at age 64 mentioned here: http://www.irelandoldnews.com/Cavan/1878/OCT.html
I hope that helps.
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Hi Ansimi,
WOW, what a lot of information, great to hear from you.
Des had alerted me to your post on this thread, I don't always gets alerts on this thread which was started originally for me by a friend (Jane). What a lot of info you have. A lot of the Veigheys that my Dad talked about never owned land but worked for gentry who owned the land. My Dad often spoke about Matthew Veighey's family (he married Harriet Duncan), my Dad cycled to their house many times when he was young. I have never been able to ascertain anything further back than 1861 when my great grandfather James was born ( he died aged 30 in 1891). Unfortunately my Dad passed away this year in June so I am unable to ask him any more questions.
Thanks too, for the Montgomery info, cos I haven't been able to come up with much, you have provided me with lots more info now.
Now that you have posted more than 3 messages I will send you a PM.
Thanks goodness Des had noticed that there was a posting, there is something wrong with the alerts, cos I don't always get them automatically.
keep in contact
Best wishes
Margaret
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as far as i can gather this is the montgomery family.
SIBIL FRANCES. HAROLD ROBERT. MAUD WINIFRED. DONALD STANLEY. BERNARD LAW. UNA. DESMOND. COLIN ROGER. BRAIN FREDERICK.parents. HENRY MONTGOMERY & MAUD FARRAR.
REGARDS MARY.
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Hi Maryderry
Just a question about Bernard Law Montgomery and his siblings, I have read Henry Huchinson Montgomery"s book on Google and at the time of writing he listed 7 children, born later was Brian Frederic, making 8 in total. You list 10 children, can you tell me your source of this list?
Regards Mike.
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Hi Mike,
I have only just seen your question to maryderry on the Montgomery family, unfortunately I do not get email alerts to my posts all the time. When Mary replied to my posting a few years ago she didn't say where she got her information. I am still unable to work out if there is a family connection between my late father George Veighey (his grandmother was Isabella Montgomery) and General Montgomery. I do know from a 2nd cousin of my fathers that General Montgomery visited her family in Newcastle when she was a young girl and she thought that he was a relation of her family.
This thread was initiated by a friend Jane when I started my quest on my family history back in 2007.
Margaret :)
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Hi Margaret
Thank you for your reply. With my nose in any post about Montgomery I tend to forget that a post may be years old and no longer in the spotlight.
Like your search I have the family tale about being related to " Field Marshal Montgomery"
My wife"s great grandfather John Henry Montgomery born Cavan c1846 must have had siblings, and thought your Montgomery"s could be related.
Look forward to finding more information. Mike
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Hi Margaret
Thank you for your reply. With my nose in any post about Montgomery I tend to forget that a post may be years old and no longer in the spotlight.
Like your search I have the family tale about being related to " Field Marshal Montgomery"
My wife"s great grandfather John Henry Montgomery born Cavan c1846 must have had siblings, and thought your Montgomery"s could be related.
Look forward to finding more information. Mike
Hi Mike,
It was just by chance I looked at the Cavan board and noticed your reply even though I have this post set for for notifications. I do know that Isabella Montgomery my great grandmother was married to my great grandfather and that he died aged 30 in 1891, I do know that she had a sister called Susannah and that there were other siblings. I have another posting on the Cavan board with the title Isabella Montgomery that I started many years ago , which may have some more information. Ansimi made some interesting comments on this post on 20 Dec 2011, she was very helpful.
Thanks Margaret
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I was looking at this post again and tried to look up some of the information on familysearch, but wasn't able to find the Mary Anne Montgomery info with George as her father.
Are you able to confirm who James Veighey born 1861 died 1891 who his father was, cos I seem to be getting a lot of conflicting info on this. This James only had one son another James, my grandfather.
Unfortunately I don't subscribe to any sites that you have to pay for, so cannot find out all the details. If I could really find this out it would be good.
Thanks for your help
Margaret :)
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Hi,
On familysearch, a search for George Montgomery married to an Isabella Ellis will show you the birth records for their children born after civil registration.
The 1861- 1891 James Veighey was born before civil registration. You'll need to get his 1886 marriage registration to Isabella Montgomery to be absolutely sure of his parents but I only see one option. What's the conflicting information?
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Does anyone have any info on a James Veighey born about 1792 in Armagh/Tyrone.
Thanks
Paul
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Hi,
On familysearch, a search for George Montgomery married to an Isabella Ellis will show you the birth records for their children born after civil registration.
The 1861- 1891 James Veighey was born before civil registration. You'll need to get his 1886 marriage registration to Isabella Montgomery to be absolutely sure of his parents but I only see one option. What's the conflicting information?
Hi Ansimi,
Sorry for the delay in replying I don't seem to get notifications on this thread.
In answer to your question What's the conflicting information, it is James Veighey born 1887, his father was also James born 1861 and it his father who I am getting the conflicting info on.
Regards
Margaret
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From the Armagh Diocesan wills index on PRONI web site (the wills have not survived):
Thomas Veaghy, Linen Weaver of Derryoghill – 1758 (suggesting my Esther was from Derryoghill herself)
John Veaghey – 18 Jun 1818 (unknown location)
1796 Freeholder record for John Veaghey in Moy (Moy is in Tyrone, very close to Derryoghill, also borders Armagh, possibly the John Veaghey who died in 1818?)
Tithe Applotments records for the 1830s:
Matthew Veaghey in Derryoghill (Tyrone portion of Clonfeacle Parish)
Robert Vehey in Drumsollan Upper (Eglish Parish, Armagh)
No Veigheys or variants that I can see in Loughgall or Grange parishes.
I have a historical reference from 1835 to a Thomas Vaghey from Tullygoonigan which is in Grange parish. He would have been an adult at the time.
In Griffiths Valuations, there aren’t any Veigheys or variants in Clonfeacle, Eglish, or Loughgall parishes but there are 3 in Grange Parish:
John Vahy, Allistragh
Sarah Vahy, Tirgarve
Thomas Vahy, Aughnacloy
Having the 1835 record for the name in Grange and then 3 households in different Grange townlands in Griffiths makes me think that there probably were Veigheys in Grange at the time of the Tithe Applotments. They may just have been on land that wasn’t subject to tithes?
Certainly Grange Parish seems to have been the home of the Veigheys by the time of Griffiths Valuation and by the time of civil registrations.
I've stumbled upon a small historical gem that I'd previously missed.
The 1835 reference I gave earlier to a Thomas Vaghey from Tullygoonigan came from some digitized Parliamentary documents about a riot and Thomas Vaghey was a witness. On the same page William Cardwell McBride of Allistragh testifies that he:
"went to accompany Gilbert Veikey past McMahon's house [ed. Terence McMahan of Tullygariff], as he was afraid; heard a report of large assembly of people in Annahagh."
There you go, your ancestor Gilbert Veighey walking around in a riot in 1835!
Unfortunately, it doesn't give his address but tells you where he was walking. I believe that Tullygariff = Terrygarve = Tirgarve?
I found this set of documents with Google Books which I don't think links properly. You should be able to find it by googling "Gilbert Veikey". It's worth reading all the information about the riot. The testimony sets a scene and you can visualize Gilbert being there.
Edit: Patrick Hughes of Annahagh testified that he had heard from "Mrs. Veikey" that "the townland was going to be distroyed".
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Ansimi,
Sorry for delay in replying I don't seem to get email alerts all the time.
I looked at the info on Gilbert Veighey below and I still can't piece together how many other children Gilbert would have had, especially if Gilbert is the father of James Veighey (my great, great grandfather) born 1861 who died 1891. As you say all lot of Veigheys came from Armagh as your earlier post said on this thread:
Certainly Grange Parish seems to have been the home of the Veigheys by the time of Griffiths Valuation and by the time of civil registrations.
Reading through this thread, it seems there are a lot of descendants of Gilbert Veighey via either his son James and Eliza Greer or his son Matthew and Harriet Duncan. I've pieced together some other Veighey branches and I found 2 that I would guess are probably from the same Gilbert Veighey or closely linked since they use the name Gilbert:
1. Gilbert Veighey married Jane Borland in Armagh in 1866. The family moved to Belfast some time in the 1870s.
2. Eliza Veighey married William John Sleator in Armagh in 1864. This family named one of their sons Gilbert. They're on the 1901 Census Allistragh and the 1911 Census in Lisdonwilly (both are in Grange Parish).
I have more information about these and some other Veighey families from Armagh but none of it really helps me right now so I'll be putting Veighey research aside unless I can help somebody else here.
I tried to look for the riot you mentioned by googling Gilbert Veikey about him walking around in a riot in 1835 but it didn't come up!
Thanks too for your information on my Montgomery connection.
I'll have to keep checking this site more often as I don't seem to get the email alerts.
Margaret :) :)
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Ansimi,
I looked at the info on Gilbert Veighey below and I still can't piece together how many other children Gilbert would have had, especially if Gilbert is the father of James Veighey (my great, great grandfather) born 1861 who died 1891.
I tried to look for the riot you mentioned by googling Gilbert Veikey about him walking around in a riot in 1835 but it didn't come up!
Gilbert wasn't the father of James born 1861 but rather the father of James' father Matthew. Matthew's marriage registration lists his father as Gilbert and Matthew's census return says he was born in Armagh so I'm absolutely certain of the relationship.
The entire document seems to have disappeared completely from Google Books! It's still on eppi.dippam.ac.uk but the text search on that site doesn't work at all. Try this link:
http://eppi.dippam.ac.uk/documents/10962/eppi_pages/249066
You might be able to re-subscribe to this thread somehow? You probably unsubscribed by accident. The email alerts contain an unsubscribe link that would be easy to click by accident instead of clicking the link to get to the forum.
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Thanks for the reply. Riot info interesting.
So Gilbert Veighey would be James' grandfather then if Matthew Veighey is supposed to be his father.
My notifications for alerts are set up properly, it is very strange how sometimes they don't work, someone on Roots technical help couldn't work out what had happened. I had other threads too where notifications were set up and email alerts didn't happen. II go in occasionally to check that the notifications are set up correctly!
Thanks
Margaret :) :)
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Hi i'm writing about the surname Veighey
I'm related to Abraham and Margaret Mckenzie who's son John married the Esther girl and who brothers Abraham jr and Robert came over to New Zealand and Settle down in Southland Invercargill Abraham never married and Robert Married Jane Drake . i'm also related to the Plunkett Family
Any Information you have got on the Esther person or John would be great
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Hi cousin Kiwigal2 :)
I will send you a private message about the McKenzies to take it out of this thread. I haven't been able to connect Esther Veighey to the other Veigheys discussed in this thread yet but it's a rare and localized name so I'm sure they're all related.
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Kiwigal2 only has 1 post so far- new members usually need 3 to send and receive PMs.
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James was my great grand father I only know about three of his children Matthew my grandfather moved to Belfast two of his other children stayed in red hills and worked for the White Venables my father was called herbie he had a brother called jack
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Hi John,
WOW what a surprise getting this reply on the VEIGHEY thread especially from your part of the family.
My grandfather (another James) was a first cousin of Jack's and Herbie (your father). My father met both Jack & his wife Gladys many times & Herbie too. I have been trying to work out the name of Jack & Herbie's father for ages. There was another sibling called Dolly I believe. I met Jack & Gladys and their daughter in the 1960s in Belfast when we travelled from England to Ireland for our summer holidays.
Do you know the names of Matthew's brothers ? When my Dad was young he used to travel to Redhills
You need to post at least 3 replies to be able to send and receive personal messages as I think there is a lot to learn here.
There are so many James's in this family it gets very confusing!
Keep in touch
Best wishes
Margaret :) :)
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Hello Margaret Good to hear from you Dolly was a sister of jack and Herbie one of my grandfathers brothers was called john he had a sister called Sarah I don't know anything about the other brother apart from him moving to another county possibly Meath or Longford best wishes john
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Hello Margaret Good to hear from you Dolly was a sister of jack and Herbie one of my grandfathers brothers was called john he had a sister called Sarah I don't know anything about the other brother apart from him moving to another county possibly Meath or Longford best wishes john
Hi John,
If you look on the free Irish Census for 1901 and 1911 you will see John, Sarah & Matthew (your grandfather), however on the 1901 they are living with their father Matthew, you thought that your great grandfather was called James. I have attached the link for a Cavan search on Veighey:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?census_year=1911&surname=veighey&firstname=&county=Cavan&townland=&ded=&age=&sex=&search=Search&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&birthplace=&language=&deafdumb=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=
The James in the link is my grandfather who lived in Dunaweel and he was an only child of James (born 1861 died 1891). He is living with his stepfather and mother in Dunaweel.
Hope this helps.
Margaret
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The children I have for Matthew Veighey and Harriet Duncan are:
James (c. 1861 - 1887) m. Isabella Montgomery
Sarah (c. 1861 - 1937)
William (c. 1863 - 1927) m1. Sarah Jane McClean m2. Maria Pierson, lived in Kildare
Anne (1866 - 1893)
John (1869 - ??)
Matthew (1872 - 1943) m. Mary Elizabeth Hall, lived in Belfast
Harriett (1874 - ??) m. Fred Gordon, in Queen's on 1911 census
Matthew and Harriet were married in 1856 so there's a good chance they had more than the 3 known children before civil registration in 1864. All children were born in Cavan except William who may have been born in Armagh where his father was from.
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The children I have for Matthew Veighey and Harriet Duncan are:
James (c. 1861 - 1887) m. Isabella Montgomery
Sarah (c. 1861 - 1937)
William (c. 1863 - 1927) m1. Sarah Jane McClean m2. Maria Pierson, lived in Kildare
Anne (1866 - 1893)
John (1869 - ??)
Matthew (1872 - 1943) m. Mary Elizabeth Hall, lived in Belfast
Harriett (1874 - ??) m. Fred Gordon, in Queen's on 1911 census
Hi Ansimi,
Does this mean that my James born 1861 who married Isabella ( he died in 1891 not 1887) was a twin of Sarah's.
I knew about Harriet being a daughter as a relative of Harriet's replied to me to say she was related to her but I never heard anything else.
Are you able to let me know where I can find the definitive list of children for Matthew Veighey and Harriet Duncan ?
Thanks
Margaret
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No it doesn't mean they were twins. It's just the age references from census returns and/or death registrations. They may be off by several years.
I'm not even remotely related and have no connections to Cavan so I haven't made any attempt to locate Cavan baptism records but they may exist.
The marriage record for Matthew and Harriet and/or for James and Isabella would name the churches so those would be good places to start trying to locate baptisms.
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hello Margaret I looked at the national archive and your right my great grand father was called Matthew it would be interesting to find out where he end up I have been in red hills several times and have seen the grave of John and Sarah but there is no grave of a Matthew veighey best wishes john
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hello Margaret I looked at the national archive and your right my great grand father was called Matthew it would be interesting to find out where he end up I have been in red hills several times and have seen the grave of John and Sarah but there is no grave of a Matthew Veighey best wishes john
Hi John,
Glad we have hopefully confirmed who your great grandfather was and by the way on the familysearch site if you do an IGI search, Gilbert Veighey comes up as Matthew's father so Gilbert would be your great great grandfather.
I was doing a bit of digging on the internet to see if I could see any information Matthew's burial info (your father) and on the Belfast City Council website I did a search for Matthew in the burial section and an entry came up for a death in 1943 in Belfast City Hospital. Do you think this is your father ?
There is also an entry on the National Archives site 1901/1911 census for Harriet Gordon nee Veighey married to Fred Gordon, she was a sister of John, Matthew & Sarah and James (my great grandfather)
By the way what was your mother's maiden name ?
Take care
Margaret
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Hello Margaret. I'm not sure who this Matthew is . My father was called Herbert Matthew he is buried in Bangor co down .my grandfathers sister Harriet is also a surprise as I though he had only one sister called Sarah who never married and is buried with her batchelor brother john. best wishes john
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Hello John,
I think I have got confused with all the Matthews, I forgot your father was Herbert Matthew. I have no idea who this Matthew is that I found, it was the result of a google search. I was surprised to learn about Harriet too and only found out about her from this thread many moons ago. Even my father never knew about her, he knew about John & Sarah and that they never married.
It gets very confusing as James and Matthew seems to be a very popular name. I did send you some personal messages, don't know if you have seen them.
best wishes
Margaret
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The children I have for Matthew Veighey and Harriet Duncan are:
James (c. 1861 - 1887) m. Isabella Montgomery
Sarah (c. 1861 - 1937)
William (c. 1863 - 1927) m1. Sarah Jane McClean m2. Maria Pierson, lived in Kildare
Anne (1866 - 1893)
John (1869 - ??)
Matthew (1872 - 1943) m. Mary Elizabeth Hall, lived in Belfast
Harriett (1874 - ??) m. Fred Gordon, in Queen's on 1911 census
Matthew and Harriet were married in 1856 so there's a good chance they had more than the 3 known children before civil registration in 1864. All children were born in Cavan except William who may have been born in Armagh where his father was from.
Now that I have been helped with my grandfather's (James Veighey b 1861) siblings, I was wondering if anyone can piece together the siblings of Matthew Veighey the father of James who was married to Harriet Duncan. I have managed to touch base with a great grandson of Matthew on Rootschat recently, he would have been a second cousin of my father's.
Many Thanks
Margaret :)
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http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?census_year=1841&surname=V*&exact=&firstname=&county19011911=&county1821=&county1831=&county1841=Cavan&county1851=&townland=&ded=&age=&sex=&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=&birthplace=&nativeCountry=&language=&deafdumb=&houseNumber=&familiesNumber=&malesNumber=&femalesNumber=&maleServNumber=&femaleServNumber=&estChurchNumber=&romanCatNumber=&presbNumberDiv=&protNumber=&parish=&barony=&yearsMarried=&causeOfDeath=&yearOfDeath=&familyId=&ageInMonths=&search=Search&sort=&pageSize=100
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Sorry.. shortened link here... http://www.rootschat.com/links/0162z/
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Sorry.. shortened link here... http://www.rootschat.com/links/0162z/
Thanks Hallmark, I hadn't thought of different spellings of the surname.
Best wishes
Margaret :)
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Now that I have been helped with my grandfather's (James Veighey b 1861) siblings, I was wondering if anyone can piece together the siblings of Matthew Veighey the father of James who was married to Harriet Duncan. I have managed to touch base with a great grandson of Matthew on Rootschat recently, he would have been a second cousin of my father's.
Many Thanks
Margaret :)
Matthew's established siblings are:
1. James Veighey who married Elizabeth Greer and has been discussed extensively in this thread.
2. John Veighey who married Elizabeth McConnell
Relationship established by these three men all being from Armagh and having a father named Gilbert.
There also seems to have been a John Veighey in the area (Grange Parish) who was an approximate contemporary of Gilbert and whose descendents used the name Gilbert. Children of John:
1. Gilbert Veighey m. Jane Borland
2. Eliza Veighey m. William John Sleator (had a son named Gilbert)
3. John Veighey m. Elizabeth McMullan (had a son named James Gilbert)
4. Jane Veighey m. John Williamson
5. William Veighey m. Mary Ann Orr
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Ansimi
Matthew's established siblings are:
1. James Veighey who married Elizabeth Greer and has been discussed extensively in this thread.
2. John Veighey who married Elizabeth McConnell
Relationship established by these three men all being from Armagh and having a father named Gilbert.
There also seems to have been a John Veighey in the area (Grange Parish) who was an approximate contemporary of Gilbert and whose descendents used the name Gilbert. Children of John:
1. Gilbert Veighey m. Jane Borland
2. Eliza Veighey m. William John Sleator (had a son named Gilbert)
3. John Veighey m. Elizabeth McMullan (had a son named James Gilbert)
4. Jane Veighey m. John Williamson
5. William Veighey m. Mary Ann Orr
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Sorry I got some messages saying that James Veighey who married Eliza Greer was my great grandfather which was incorrect, there was also so many different Gilberts too.
Thanks for pointing this out, trouble is I still don't get all the alerts so sometimes miss out on a post.
Margaret :)
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I got a phone call last week from The son of Frances Veighey the daughter of William and Maria Veighey who lived in Ballysax. William was married twice, his first wife died in childbirth while giving birth to their second child. Maria was the governess to the family and then married William.
Frances was supposed to be my grandfather's 1st cousin one removed.
Frances appears on the 1911 census.
I met Frances once in the 1960s.
I am trying to workout the links between William (Elsie's father) and William's siblings so that I can be sure where my grandfather links in.
James my grandfather born in 1887 was the only child of James Veighey born 1861 died 1891 (married to Isabella Montgomery).
Can anyone work out the siblings of William from Ballysax and the siblings of James born 1861 from Co Cavan.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks :)
Margaret
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http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014905/005014905_00411.pdf
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The children I have for Matthew Veighey and Harriet Duncan are:
James (c. 1861 - 1887) m. Isabella Montgomery
Sarah (c. 1861 - 1937)
William (c. 1863 - 1927) m1. Sarah Jane McClean m2. Maria Pierson, lived in Kildare
Anne (1866 - 1893)
John (1869 - ??)
Matthew (1872 - 1943) m. Mary Elizabeth Hall, lived in Belfast
Harriett (1874 - ??) m. Fred Gordon, in Queen's on 1911 census
Matthew and Harriet were married in 1856 so there's a good chance they had more than the 3 known children before civil registration in 1864. All children were born in Cavan except William who may have been born in Armagh where his father was from.
I posted this earlier in the thread but I think it's what you're looking for?
Frances (b 1909 to William Veighey and Maria Peirson) was a 1st cousin of James (b 1887 to James Veighey and Isabella Montgomery); their fathers being brothers, both sons of Matthew Veighey and Harriet Duncan.
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Thanks Ansimi, for the reply, have been out of sorts for quite a while.
So looks like William father of Frances, was a brother of James b 1861 (who married Isabella Montgomery), father of James b 1887 (my grandfather)
Isabella was supposed to be related to Gen Montgomery, my grandfather looks just like him in photos which is how I got started on the family history quest in 2007.
I also noticed that James and Sarah children of Matthew and Harriet are born in 1861, could they be twins ?
Thanks
Margaret :)
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I am a grand daughter of Harriet Veighey born 1899 in Ireland. She emigrated to Yorkshire marrying my granddad Benjamin Gartside. My dad was Peter David Gartside born to them in 1938.
I would like to know several things:
What county and town was Harriet born in? What were the names of her parents and what counties were they born in and what years were they born?
When did Harriet move to Yorkshire for good?
When did Harriet marry Benjamin Gartside and where did they get married?
Thanks for help with these inquiries. Thank you, Stephanie
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Have just answered your questions on the Armagh thread-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=656877.msg5994516
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Hi,
Welcome to Rootschat Gartside, I have sent you a personal message.
Margaret :) :)
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Thank you Margaret, I am looking forward to getting to know you. I believe we are related. Best wishes,
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Hi,
Amazing that this post has suddenly sprung into life again.
If you look on the census:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kildare/Ballysax__West/Common__North/543811/
There is an entry for Harriet, who is the daughter of William and Maria.
Maria was William's second wife. His first wife Sarah died in childbirth. Maria was the governess looking after the children and then she married William. William was a coachman to the Gentry and lived in BallySax Manor in Naas, Kildare, I believe he worked for a military man.
This information was given to me by Ellsie's son (Ellsie was a sister of Harriett's and appears on the 1901 census).
I met Ellsie and her family a few times in the 1960s in Reading, England.
Ellsie was a first cousin of my grandfather's, which also makes Harriett born in 1899 also a first cousin of my grandathers's too.
Hope this helps.
Margaret :)
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You are marvelous :) Thank you so much for your research, M. :) You have made my day. Feel free to message me if you need to know anything about Harriet's marriage and that side that moved to the Yorkshire.
I will let my family know these details.
Best wishes, S
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Hi,
Glad I was of some help.
Apparently, Elsie's son told me on the phone a while ago that Harriett was referred to as 'Babs'.
Harriett had another brother called William who died aged 99 in Scotland a few years ago. He didn't appear on the 1911 as he wasn't born.
I'll keep digging and see what else I can find out
Margaret :)
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Did Frances daughter of William and Maria ( Ballysax 1911) marry a Underwood?
There is a notice in the Kildare Observer 1929 to the registrar giving notice that John Joseph Underwood intends to marry Frances Veighey a minor.
http://archive.irishnewsarchive.com/Olive/APA/KCL.Edu/#panel=home
Free to search.
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Looks like the marriage did take place-
http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/c653506289782
Searched for children (father- Underwood, mother Veighey) without any coming up.
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Frances Veighey Underwood died 1961 aged 52 years- a son & his wife also on headstone:
https://billiongraves.com/grave/Frances-Veighey-Underwood/11088700
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Hi,
Glad I was of some help.
Apparently, Elsie's son told me on the phone a while ago that Harriett was referred to as 'Babs'.
Harriett had another brother called William who died aged 99 in Scotland a few years ago. He didn't appear on the 1911 as he wasn't born.
I'll keep digging and see what else I can find out
Margaret :)
Steph,
I had a Christmas phone call from Elsie Veighey's son yesterday and he was giving me some information on Harriet (known as Babs) who married a Gartside ( one of your relatives) he was called Curly, apparently he was a coal miner. Also, Elsie and Harriet's brother William (who lived until he was 99) married someone with the surname Dick.
Don't iknow if any of this information helps, but everytime this contact (Elsie's son) rings me, he comes up with more family information.
:) Margaret
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The James in the link is my grandfather who lived in Dunaweel and he was an only child of James (born 1861 died 1891). He is living with his stepfather and mother in Dunaweel.
Hope this helps.
Margaret
A Dunnaweel one in Killashandra C of I....
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Hi Dave,
You are busy bee!
This is my Dad's brother and his wife, so my uncle and aunt. Emily was a Harkness before she married my Dad's brother. I never knew where they were buried, but had visited them many years ago when I was very young, they lived off the Ormeau Road in Belfast.
Both my Dad and William were born in Dunaweel. My uncle worked for Edlington's bakery as a driver. They never had any children.
Where is the headstone?
Great piece of information, you are a star!
Thanks
Margaret:)
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Hi Dave,
You are busy bee!
This is my Dad's brother and his wife, so my uncle and aunt. Emily was a Harkness before she married my Dad's brother. I never knew where they were buried, but had visited them many years ago when I was very young, they lived off the Ormeau Road in Belfast.
Both my Dad and William were born in Dunaweel. My uncle worked for Edlington's bakery as a driver. They never had any children.
Where is the headstone?
Great piece of information, you are a star!
Thanks
Margaret:)
A Dunnaweel one in Killashandra C of I....
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Redhills C of I one....
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Dave,
Wow, this is fantastic, relatives of my Dad's, I heard him talk about these people in Redhills.
Interesting that WHYTE did the headstone.
You are a star!
Thanks again.
Margaret :)
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I'm absolutely brilliant!!! ;D ;D ;D
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You're right you are brilliant, you have been helping me for years and you still come up with amazing stuff.
The headstones you have photographed are great, you have a great portfolio of pictures.
Thx again
Margaret ;) :)
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The last of my Dad’s siblings passed away in January in Co Cavan, she was married to George Lake Storey who was an auctioneer. I don’t have any information on Ida Storey’s (nee Veighey) husband’s family.
They lived in Killeshandra, Lake died many years ago, they had no children.
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For reference-
https://rip.ie/death-notice/isabella-matilda-storey-killeshandra-cavan/376523
Irish Independent [Dublin], 18 June 2004: … undisclosed sum. In business since the 1900s, Storey & Sons is a family-run firm. Gordon Cartwright worked with his uncle, George Lake Storey in Killeshandra for some 20 years, and inherited the business from him after his death five years ago. …
If the above refers to the same man looks like he died around 1999? Perhaps get in touch with nephew or the firm to ask for details.
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Thanks Aghadowey for the information, my family sent a donation on Ida’s death but we weren’t sure how the relationships on the Storey side worked out. Will try and delve a bit more into the information you have given me.
Hadn’t see the death notice however I was able to provide a few very old photos for the funeral which were appreciated.