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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Kirkcudbrightshire => Topic started by: Waterfall2007 on Monday 03 September 07 16:36 BST (UK)
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Looking for information on a Nathaniel Bland b. 1788, Balmacellan, occupation Burgh officer and Tailor. Nathaniel married Mary King b. 1801 England and was living at High Street, New Galloway in the 1851 Census and was 63 years of age. His occupation in 1851 was also listed as Burgh Officer.
Children of Nathaniel Bland and Mary King:
Catherine Dalziel Bland b. 1825 married Robert Garrett, Castle Douglas. After Robert's death she married David Henry.
William Dalzel Bland b. October 21, 1827, Kells.
Nathaniel Bland b. June 10, 1833, Kells.
Agnes Bland b. June 5, 1836, Kells.
Janet Bland b. July 21, 1839, Kells.
There could have been other children, however, I have not found anymore in my search.
If anyone has any connection to this family or information in regard to this family, it would certainly be helpful in helping me put together my family tree.
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Welcome to RootsChat :)
One more child showing on the family's 1841 Census entry. Bland has been transcribed on the index I am looking at as Blaine:
Nathaniel Blaine 50, tailor
Mary Blaine 40 b. England
John Blaine 15
Nathaniel Blaine 5
William Blaine 6
Agnes Blaine 4
Address: High St., Kells
Regards.
Monica
Just in case you have got your dates out, these are the christening entries for daughters Janet and Agnes:
JANET BLAND Christening: 16 NOV 1830 Kells, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
AGNES BLAND Christening: 05 JUN 1836 Kells, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
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Possible marriage of William b. 1827 to an Isabella McMinn. This looks like him in the 1871 Census:
William Bland 42, gardener, b. New Galloway, Kirkcudbright
Isabella Bland 36, b. Buittle, Kirkcudbright
William Bland 8, b. Dumfries
Walter Bland 6, b. Dumfries
Andrew Bland 1, b. Dumfries
Address: Loch Vale Cottage, Dumfries
This looks like some of their children's birth entries on IGI at www.familysearch.org:
1. NATHANIEL MCKIE BLAND Birth: 17 OCT 1864 Dumfries, Dumfries, Scotland
2. ANDREW MCMINN BLAND Birth: 11 NOV 1869 Dumfries, Dumfries, Scotland
3. GRACE MCMINN BLAND Birth: 29 FEB 1872 Dumfries, Dumfries, Scotland
And William and Isabella's marriage entry:
WILLIAM BLAND Marriages:Spouse: ISABELLA MCMINN
Marriage: 17 JUN 1864 Rerrick, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
Their marriage entry on Scotlands People would let you confirm the name of his parents to verify its the correct William.
Regards.
Monica
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Thank you all so very much for the information, I am very grateful as I have been stuck on my Bland family for a long time.
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Hi Waterfall :)
I have a very early census for Balmaclellan 0 1790s - which lists al the inhabitants in family groups. Also various other local bits and pieces from there, Kells (New Galloway) and Parton. I'm in the middle of moving house and, unfortunately, I haven't brought them with me. I'll be going back towards the end of next week and check up on your Blands then.
Regards
Gadget
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Hi Gadget
Thank you so much for replying to my posting, I really look forward to hearing from you in the near future. Hope the moving house goes smoothly.....
Regards
Waterfall
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Hi Gadget,
Just read your post and wondered if you could help me as well ? My ancesters were born in and around Balmaclellan and Parton ... maybe you could look up the Currie's there and supply info that I still don't have. In particular looking for William Currie, son of John and Margaret (McCartney) Currie. Also any info on the McCartney family would be greatly appreciated.
regards,
Sharron Elizabeth
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Hi Sharon
Just read your posting and wondering if you have a connection to the Bland, Heron, Dalziel, Smith and Garrett families of Kirkcudbright, New Galloway, Kelton, etc. If so, I would appreciate hearing from you as I do believe our family had a Currie connection.
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I have a very early census for Balmaclellan 0 1790s - which lists al the inhabitants in family groups. Also various other local bits and pieces from there, Kells (New Galloway) and Parton. I'm in the middle of moving house and, unfortunately, I haven't brought them with me. I'll be going back towards the end of next week and check up on your Blands then.
Regards
Gadget
Hi Gadget
I would really like a copy of the 1790's list you have of the inhabitants in family groups in the Balmaclellan, Kelton and Parton region. I think it would help me a great deal sort out of some of my family.
Also is it possible that you could look up the marriage certificate of William Dalyell(Dalziel) Maitland Bland born October 21, 1827 Kells to Isabella McMinn on June 17, 1864 at Rerrick. I am trying to figure out if is name was indeed William Dalyell(Dalziel) Maitland Bland and if this name was added to his birth name because of some family connection to the Maitland family as the Maitland family were prominent in the Kirkcudbright area.
NOTE: William's middle name has been spelt Dalziel, Dalzell and Dalyell). William had one sister carrying the middle name of Dalziel (Catherine Dalziel Bland born 1825 and married to Robert Garrett). His other siblings carried the middle names of McKie or McMinn. So this kind of puts things in a different persecptive as I guess have been going mostly on the scottish naming patterns and getting four different names in one family has me put of track especially when I cannot find a Dalziel, Maitland or McKie ancestor. The McMinn name of course would come from his mother Isabella Bland.
In the 1871 census William Dalziel Maitland Bland was a gardener, age 42 living at Loch Vale Cottage, Dumfries. Any information on Loch Vale Cottge, Dumfries or who owned it?
In the 1881 census he was listed as living in England as a gardener/domestic servant at Cart Lane Seawood Cottage, Upper and Lower Allithwiate, Lancashire, England. Any information on Cart Lane Seawood Cottage?
If you can be of any help I would surely appreciate it.
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For Waterfall - sorry no Blands or Maitlands in the early census
However, there is a Margaret Dalzel, wife of a James Blain living at one of the Shirmers farms (the area to the south of the parish running down Loch Ken)
There are no marriage certificates in Scotland before 1855. What there are are Banns/marriage entries in the parish records. These are available on the IGI ( www.familysearch.org) or on Scotlands people
I have no info on Loch Vale cottage, Dumfries
Also, it might be worth you putting these up as separate queries as they span different family groups and both counties.
I also note that you've got a question re Lancashire in there. That again is another board.
For Sharron Elizabeth - can you give some dates please?
Regards
Gadget
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Sharron
I'm not sure if this is your John Currie/Curry and would love his dates.
This is an extract from a letter that my 3 x grt grandfather wrote in 1835 which describes his journey from Balmaclellan to a farm in Merionethshire, Wales. They went by sea and landed near Birkenhead:
I told John Curry and got him to come all the way. All things being ready or nearly so, on the term our wife had another daughter which we called Agnes. So we had to stop to eight of June And to make things well... I freighted a sloop, or at least John Currie did to take the things to the gentleman. She belonged to Kirkcudbright. She was to meet us at Creetown. So William Stewart, Scroggie, John Currie's horse and two of our own with two new carts and a young chestnut mare all made off on 6 of June, pretending I had a farm taken at the shore. So it was not known to some of the carters (until) they were out or, I may say, near the sea. And left all our old things in Scroggie's Barn. I never will get anyone forwarding for (me), and much money. All is lost as Samuel was never very active. So they stand. We stayed all night in Kirkbrid (Kirkbride - a farm just outside Creetown) with our old friend.
I pray Noah being charged dearest and worst used on our journey. We shipped on Saturday and was to be landed in Cheshire at or anent (level with) Liverpool. We expected to land at our destination Sunday evening but unfortunately it, I may say, came on a storm. We, on Sunday, was under mid -sails and running into disaster and cast anchor where we had to out and cut grass drives for our cattle and sheep and carry water. Fortunately, I had corn and some hay for the horses on board. We made out again and on Tuesday we came to port. It being low water, they cast anchor again in River Mersey. John Currie and Robert Wilson went out to look for grass. It came such a hurricane there could be no continuation. (It was not until) Wednesday evening before John or Robert could get in. I have not seen a stormier day since, although we have seen many. So on Wednesday evening after dark we got all our cattle out, and on Thursday we got our furniture and our two carts.
The words in parenthesis are my explanations while I was transcribing it.
Regards
Gadget
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Hi Gadget,
My gr.gr.grandfather, Robert Currie, was born Nov.18,1829, near Balmaclellan. He is the son of John (questionable whether he might also be Thomas) Currie, b.1790, d.abt.1840, Scotland, who m. Margaret McCartney, b.1790, d. Feb.19,1871 in East Wawanosh, Ont., Canada.
Margaret McCartney Currie emmigrated to Canada in 1849 with 4 of her sons and 2 daughters. 2 other sons went to Australia and 1 son (William ?) stayed in Scotland. I would love to be able to follow Williams' trail.
Also, Margaret's history would be nice to find. I have no info on the McCartneys at all. She was a brave woman, or a desparate one, to pick up, leave 3 sons behind, and take the rest to Canada. I do not have a picture of her but I do know there is one very small one in existance with some relatives here ... my next chore.
Thank you for your assistance,
Sharron
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Hi Sharron
This is all very interesting because part of my Burgess family went over to Ontario from the same area around the same time - a brother, John, had gone over earlier in the 1820s.
There just might be some friendship/neighbourly link here, given the reference in the letter. Leave it with me and I'll have a look.
It won't be straight away though.
Regards
Gadget
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Hi Gadget,
I've kind of gotten off track since Christmas but I'm ready to dive back in to this genealogy thing.
I was wondering if you had been able to find out anything further on the John Currie referred to in your g.g.g.grandfathers diary.
I know that my g.g.g.grandfather, John Currie, worked on farms and moved from farm to farm as all his children were born in different parts of the country around Kirkcudbright.
I would still like to be able to find some McCartneys who are looking for a long lost aunt, or at least a little history of the McCartneys. John's death date would be nice to find as well.
I know this is putting a lot on you but I am willing to be directed in any direction for some answers.
With warn regards,
Sharron
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I'm having a problem with my tree all the biths of Janet Bland and William Renwick's childern have mother listed as Janet Bland, but on my 2nd great grand father's death cert it as them listed as James Renwick & Agnes Bland. Now on Janet's death cert her age is 55, which would make her b
1936 the same as Agnes. Not found anything on Agnes used all my credits up on scotlands People.I did find info on the family on Family Search . ORG
I did find a Marriage For William Renwick & Jenny Bland March 1852 but the cert is no good for any info
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William Dalzell Maitland
birth: 04 Oct 1827
christening: 21 Oct 1827 — , KELLS, KIRKCUDBRIGHT, SCOTLAND
Agnes Bland
birth: 02 May 1836
christening: 05 Jun 1836 — , KELLS, KIRKCUDBRIGHT, SCOTLAND
Janet Bland
birth: 10 Oct 1830
christening: 16 Nov 1830 — , KELLS, KIRKCUDBRIGHT, SCOTLAND
Nathaneil Bland
birth: 05 Jun 1833
christening: 10 Jun 1833 — , KELLS, KIRKCUDBRIGHT, SCOTLAND
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An old thread this from Oct 2007 by Waterfall2007, but I could really fill in some blanks about William and Isabella Bland after they moved to Cart Lane Seawood Cottage, Upper and Lower Allithwiate, Lancashire, William Bland was my GGGGrandfather. Just revisiting my family tree and came across this so if you see it do reply please.
regards SilverSprat
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Message to bluerenwick. I have only just registered on RootsChat so cannot send you a PM yet, more than willing to help, could you reply to this post with more info. I think after I have made 3 posts total I will be able to send PM's?
Regards SilverSprat
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Hi bluerenwick
It is interesting that you are from Salford when two of my ancestors William and Nathan Bland ( my GGGrandfather) went to Withington Lancashire after a brief time in Allithwaite Grange-over-Sands, presumably looking for work in the building trade
Regards SilverSprat
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Hi,
I have a Jessie Bland, born c1845, Scotland, who married my 1st cousin 4x removed Edward Shaw, born 1848 at Balmaclellan. They were married in 1873 at St James's Church, Toxteth, Liverpool. Her address given was 12 Newton Street. Father - William Bland, Clothier. Edward's occupation is Draper. I found a Jessie born c1845 in 1871 Census, living at King Street, Castle Douglas. Her father was a William, born Twynholm, occupation - tailor.
Tom
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Hi,
I have a Jessie Bland, born c1845, Scotland, who married my 1st cousin 4x removed Edward Shaw, born 1848 at Balmaclerellan. They were married in 1873 at St James's Church, Toxteth, Liverpool. Her address given was 12 Newton Street. Father - William Bland, Clothier. Edward's occupation is Draper. I found a Jessie born c1845 in 1871 Census, living at King Street, Castle Douglas. Her father was a William, born Twynholm, occupation - tailor.
Tom
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Hello All, I am new to this site, I have just discovered it as I am doing my Ancestry. My Great, Great Grandfather was William Dalzell Maitland Bland B 1827 - D 1904 he was married to Isabella McMinn. B 1833 - D 1907
I would love to find out more about this as based on the Census it states they resided at Loch Vale Cottage, Dumfries.
Many thanks for any info. Shopper 123
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Hi and welcome to RootsChat :)
There is another post here on RC for Loch Vale Cottage in Dumfries. See
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=264600.0
Monica
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Hello shopper123 and welcome.
This is an old thread and the original poster hasn’t been on for a long while. Hopefully they will get notification.
In the meantime, what exactly do you want to find out about your Bland family?
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Goodness, this takes me back!
Welcome, Shopper :)
The link that Monica has given has information that you will find useful, including the sale of the property in 1879.
Gadget
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Hello Neale1961, you asked me what I want to know about the Bland family well there is so much.
My father who has now died had on his birth certificate the name James McMinn Bland however, we have been told that McMinn is not a Scottish name but, possibly Irish so we are intrigued to know if this is correct. With regards to the Ancestry side of things I have managed to go back as far as William Dalzell Maitland Bland's parents who were Nathanial Bland B 1788 - D 1859 and Mary King B 1801 - D 1877. We cannot find any parents of Mary King but, they all to be born or lived around Kirkcudbright. We would love to know more about her side of the family. Also, and lastly, Nathanial Bland who was born 1788 his father was John Bland B 1758 - ? and his mother was Janet (Jean) Heron B 1766 - D 1791. Here we draw a blank. So, if you or anyone could shine some light on this side of my family I would be so grateful. Many thanks Shopper 123
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Hello Silversprat, I too am new to Rootschat. My 2nd Great Grandparents are also William Dalzell Maitland Bland and his wife Isabella McMinn. In 1881 I also have them living at the same address which I cannot find anywhere on Google earth! It would appear that they must have moved from Scotland possibly for work, I am not sure.
Another person on this loop also had dates of birth for Nathaniel Bland, Agnes Bland - I do agree with their dates however, I believe that the date of birth for Janet Bland was 1835 not 1830 as based on the 1871 Census it stated her age as 36 so working backwards that would make her born in 1835. Maybe this person who states Janet's birth as 1830 has an actual Birth Certificate as I do not. Would be grateful once again for any information. If I can help anyone in anyway I am more than welcome. Shopper123
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Hello bluerenwick, hope I can help I think you'll find Agnes Bland married a Robert Kerr on 1st November, 1859 in Kells, Kirkcudbright. Agnes Kerr (nee Bland) was my second great grandaunt.
If I can help in anyway, let me know.
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Goodness this is from a while back, they did move from Scotland to Allithwaite near Grange over Sands in Cumbria where both William and Isabela are buried. They had four children William, Nathaniel, Andrew and Grace, Andrew died in 1884 the other three all eventually moved to Withington Manchester looking for work. My grandfather was Albert Bland, Nathaniel's son, he stayed in Allithwaite with his grandparents William and Isabela and our side of the family still live in this area. It would be of interest to know where you live as I have never been in touch with the Manchester side of the family. For a long time they always used the name McMinn in the Christian name of their children which was always very helpful, hope this has been of help.
Regards Roy Bland
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Hello Silversprat, I too am new to Rootschat. My 2nd Great Grandparents are also William Dalzell Maitland Bland and his wife Isabella McMinn. In 1881 I also have them living at the same address which I cannot find anywhere on Google earth!
There is no point looking for single houses, or places that have disappeared, on Google Earth.
Loch Vale, Dumfries https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=55.06532&lon=-3.59317&layers=5&b=1
It seems to have been swallowed up by the expansion of the town south-eastwards.
Sea Wood Cottage, Cart Lane, near Kents Bank
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=14&lat=54.18330&lon=-2.92437&layers=1&b=1
https://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/SD4076
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Hello Forfarian, many thanks for the links they are very interesting, you have been very helpful.
My husband and I came on holiday to Dumfries and Galloway seven years ago, I cried when we left! Shortly after I started Ancestry and could not believe that my ancestries came from around Galloway and Kirkcudbrightshire. Many thanks for the links Shopper123 they are much appreciated.
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Hi Silversprat, Albert E Bland is my 1st Cousin 2 x removed! He would have been married to: Clara Constance Houston, I believe they had three children: William Edward, Frederick and Sydney? Not sure Roy which one is your father? This RootsChat is very informative.
My father was born in Stockport to James McMinn Bland B 1893 - D 1972 and Frances Ridgway B 1899 - D 1972 he married my mum from East Sussex and after the war he lived and died in Eastbourne, East Sussex. We often go to Grange Over Sands on our way back from holidaying in Scotland it certainly is a small world. ...... Shopper123
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Hi Shopper123, this is excellent you are the first direct family I have been in touch with from those who moved to Withington, I do have a family tree on Ancestry (under R Bland family tree ) although I am no longer a member and it is not fully up to date. William Edward was my father, both he and Sid moved to Flookburgh where I now live and Fred lived in the family home at Greaveswood Lodge near Cardrona Road just outside Grange. I wonder why you visited Grange did you know they used to live here or was it just coincidence? Must go now but more to tell
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Hi again Silversprat, I am not sure whether you would be able to view my Ancestry page. But, you are more than welcome too. I have tried where possible to put a picture of the person on my Ancestry Tree as I believe it brings the person to life! If you have any pictures, I would love to have them along with who they are and add them to my tree not just of the person/s but also a picture of where they lived if possible, if the house/s are still there as I realise a lot of the old properties have been knocked down now.
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Hi Shopper123, Not quite sure how to insert a link to a webpage so this might not work. This link https://www.google.com/maps/@54.1792088,-2.9282582,3a,75y,209.88h,85.58t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sYgSwvNp6ZCmiWkhfL_D3cg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DYgSwvNp6ZCmiWkhfL_D3cg%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D195.65195%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@54.1792088,-2.9282582,3a,75y,209.88h,85.58t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sYgSwvNp6ZCmiWkhfL_D3cg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DYgSwvNp6ZCmiWkhfL_D3cg%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D195.65195%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) if it works shows the house they lived in up until Fred died 1976 and then his wife in 1977. I have sent you a personal message with my email address don't know if you got it. Regards Roy