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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Laois (Queens) => Topic started by: RoysSon on Friday 07 September 07 00:42 BST (UK)
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I have been trying to trace my gt gt grandmother Ann Dyer. She was born in Queens County Ireland.
From her wedding cert and death cert her mothers name was Maria Higgs, her dads name ? Dyer. Both I presume were from Queens County. Ann Dyer was married in Wanganui New Zealand Sept 1863 to Henry Revell born in Revelstoke Devon.
When she arrived in NZ I have no idea or on what ship I have no idea either. There is a rumour she came to NZ with her sister but have no idea of her sisters name.
Is there anyone who can help doing a trace on Ann Dyer, her father or maybe Anns mother Maria Higgs ?
Any sort of help would be appreciated by their descendants out here in New Zealand as she is a total mystery here
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Hi
Is it possible that Ann Dyer's mother married or re-married after Ann was born, and hence bore a different surname by the time Ann herself was marrying?
Just a possibility...
Cheers
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Hello RoysSon,
What denomination were the Dyer family?
You'll probably have to look at church records as the first Civil registrations in Ireland were non Catholic marriages introduced in 1845. Civil registration for all other marriages as well as births and deaths was not introduced in Ireland until 1864. It could be a lengthy search as you've made no mention of a townland.
Christopher
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hello there . Did you ever find trace of Ann? I have Elizabeth DYER b 1837c in Queens Co Ireland. Her death cert gives her length of residence in NZ as 55 years at her death,....makes it about 1861 arriving here. I have no idea how and when she arrived but she married a John HORGAN same year.
Her parents are given as Mary (Possibly Maria? )and Joseph DYER....Any help?
Cheers. Mila
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Hi there Mila. Im afraid that I still havent found any more info on our Anne Dyer. At the moment trying another slant on her. Got 2 names on her marriage cert that were witnesses to her marriage and hopefully they maybe close friends of hers. One appears to be British Army, the other I havent tracked down, still working on her. Seems strange that your Dyer is from the same area of Ireland. Your Elizabeth Dyer, do you want me to do some digging here in NZ? Would be easier my end being in NZ [ you in the UK? ] Would be a pleasure in helping you if I can, have had many ppl in the UK help me in the past and if I can return the favour would repay in part their help
Regards
Rex
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Hi Rex...Thanks for offer but I am here in NZ too!!.... I can't find how my Elizabeth arrived here as yet!!...her marriage seems to have been about the same time as arrival...1861.....Have found her death cert and birth of most of her children..but more than that????! That's why I wondered if our two Dyer ladies could be related.....oh and my Elizabeth was in Waimate South Canterbury..... Regards, Mila
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Hi there again. So you are a Kiwi ;D
It is very possible that these 2 ladies are related ... esp if they are from the same county in Ireland. From corresponse through here the name Dyer and Higgs isnt common to Queens County. There also is a rumour I heard in the family that my Anne came out to NZ with a sister but like you, never to date have I seen her name on a passenger list. But passenger lists can be abit short on specifics, found a few lists with names listed but at the end has " and 5 others" Really helpful aye !! Something interesting in our family bible as well is a name "Mrs Dyer" .... no one has a clue as to who she is, my bet it could be Anne Dyers mother, but I wouldnt put money on it at this stage.
Would you mind sending me any info you have on your Elizabeth Dyer ..? I can send you what I have on Anne.
Have you done a search on shipping lists? I can remember doing a search and found a few Dyer's but none of them were the one I was looking for. Your one must have come through Lyttlton or Port Chalmers seeing she was at Waimate. My Anne may well of came through there as well ... she had been a resident for a few years before she tied the knot with Henry Revell going by the wedding Cert if you can believe that. My last calculation was that she was in her early teens when she came to NZ so must have come out accompanied?
Cheers
Rex
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Hi again Rex...I just found a Maria DYER and a Joseph Dyer both at Killimy. Coolbanagher in Laois 1848-1864
Found on the Griffiths Valuation list.....Worth trying do you think??
Regards, Mila
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Yes I had a look at that one some time back... one of the guys in this Rootschat put me onto that
Worth a look on your side
Rex
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just realized you probably didn't get the pm I sent as I don't have enough postings!!
So...here is the only info I have so far...
Death cert for Elizabeth DYER..born in Queens Co Ireland ...parents...Joseph DYER. Mary ( unknown surname).Age 79 at death...55 years in NZ....d.1916 in Waimate South Canterbury..buried at Waimate cemetery with her husband John HORGAN...b 1831 d 1913.
They had 8 children John Joseph b 1862
Matilda b 1865 (my gggrandmother)
Ellen b 1866
alice b 1870
Emily Jane b 1872
minnie b 1874
Ada b 1877
Florence Ethel b 1884
They are buried in the Anglican side of Waimate cemetery although John Joseph Dyer is buried in the RC side.??
My grandmother married Michael Murphy and they moved up to Dannevirke in 1906....
Any of this any use to you??
Regards, Mila
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Hi there again Mila.
Interesting. To me it is too much of a coincidence that the names all relate. Will do some checking from my end.
My Anne Dyer from what I have so far dug up doesnt add up. On her wedding Cert the number of years in Nz plus her age at dont seem right. No one on either side of the family have any info on her at all.
Will get back to you as soon as I can via here okay. Your info hopefully will throw abit more light on things :)
Regards
Rex
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Date of Baptism Child's name Father Surname Mother Abode
6th April 1834 Susan James Dyer Mary Cappakeel Labourer
5th April 1835 William Joseph Dyer Mary Emo village Labourer & Farmer
9th October 1836 Ann James Dyer Mary Cappakeel Labourer
18th June 1837 Elizabeth Joseph Dyer Mary Emo Labourer
9th December 1838 Elizabeth James Dyer Maria Cappakeel Labourer
I am collating the records of Coolbanagher, Queen's County - there seems to be 2 familes of Dyer
May help you :)
IDanishdots
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Forgot to say that there are Higgs just outside Portlaoise - used to be called Maryborough.
Danishdots
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Thank you for this info Danishdots.
I am pretty sure my Elizabeth is the one on here. She gives her parents names as Joseph and Mary on her death certificate here in NZ.
My very happy thanks to you for posting this.
Have a great Easter.
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:D Delighted to have been able to help,
Good wishes,
Danishdots
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Hi
If you've a problem with the Dyer side of the family - why not follow Danishdots information on the Higgs living nearby in Portlaoise (Maryborough) to see if you can establish a connection.
If the records for that area survive, they may show Maria/Mary's birth and if so, quite likely her marriage as it was common for marriages to be held in the bride's parish. A search of births and marriages should begin ten years eitherside of when you feel Maria/Mary was born and married.
Furthermore, if you find her marriage, it may be that this couple lived in the locality, so it would be worth checking to see if any Dyer children were later baptised in the parish.
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From Portlaoise cemetery records there are 4 Higgs interred there, all Church of Ireland
James Higgs; 1921
James Higgs; 1923
Mrs Higgs; 1944
William Higgs; 1961
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Have finished collating the baptisms and burials of Coolbanagher 1801 - 2010. Will be available from Parish later.
Good wishes,
Danishdots
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:) What a lot of great work there Danishdots. Will you be able to give us an address and cost for the cd when it is finished too?
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It's a pleasure - will be in touch asap. Thank you for your encouragement.
Danishdots :)
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Another Ann Dwyer?
Ridge cemetery Portlaoise (Maryborough)
Ann Dwyer; 26/1/1784(64) by other records/ (34)
also John Dwyer; 1761
erected by Eliza Dwyer for mother Margaret;
Sisters; Margaret-Sarah.
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Jack
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Hi Rex
I think that I may be able to help with the two witnesses on Ann Dyers marriage certificate. One I think is my great grandfather John Dunn and his first wife Susan Dunn.
Susan was Susannah Dyer - father James Dyer and mother Maria Higgs. Anne was her sister. Susan came to NZ aboard the Queen of the Avon in July 1859 no other Dyers aboard She married John Dunn in Sept 1859 in Wanganui. John Dunn's parents were John Dunn and Susan Higgs - possibly Maria Higgs sister/Cousin. Like you I don't know any more about the Higgs family.
I did find in Papers Past a report of a marriage of Miss Jane Higgs, 3rd daughter of Mr John Higgs of Maryborough, Queens County, Ireland to Mr John Moran of Christchurch, NZ. The wedding took place at the residence of Mr John Dunn, Guyton St, Wanganui on 27 May 1877- possibly a sister of Susan and Anns.
Susan was born about 1835 and died in Wanganui in 1884. John and Susan had 4 children. John later married my great grandmother Mary Gill.
Hope this helps.
Janice, NZ :)
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I should have said Jane may have been a cousin of Ann and Susans
Janice
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Hi there Janice.
Well well !!
I knew come time I would find a thread in the saga of Ann Dyer!! There is a link somewhere with Dunns as their name appears in our family bible but no one knows how. Wished I had talked to my grandfather before he passed away as to who the ppl in the bible were and how they were linked to his Revell side! Never mind Janice thank you for this, now I have a solid lead to track.
I have found an Ann Dyer and another Dyer [ male or female and age is not stated] on board a ship called the Princess that docked in Petone/Wellington. Found this in papers-past and NZ Archives. The problem is that they were not assisted passengers or part of the Nz Company. If they were then apparently according to NZ Archives there is a paper war on how they came out, where from and where they went to. The date of arrival looks like so it could be my gt gt grandmother or could also be a wild goose chase.
Again thanx Janice ... very much appreciated. If I have any progress will get back in touch with you.
Regards
Rex
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Hi Rex
Glad I could be of help. I hope that this lead helps you out, sometimes the smallest bit of information helps unravel the mystery.
I would be interested to know what Dunn's are mentioned in your family bible. Like you I don't know a lot about my Irish heritage. All I know about John Dunn is that he was born in Ballyfin, Queens County and that he came to NZ with the 65th Regiment. Any lead you could give me would be much appreciated.
If I find out anymore about the Dyer family I certainly let you know.
Regards
Janice
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Hi there again Janice.
Didnt know that bit of info abt John Dunn on where he was born and that he was with the 65th either! On my fathers side as well are close ties with the 65th as well! Many were based around Whanganui and the Taranaki Land Wars notably.
Our family bible. Some dumb $#@& actually tore the page out with all the info and from the copy I have [ which was apparently copied ] was sent to a Brian Revell, Red Beach Orewa! Why it wasnt copied and the Bible left intact is a mystery to me! One of my Aunties from way back needed her bum kicked. I can very vaguely remember it but what what is done is done :o(
This is what is written [ have not put down names that are not applicable to you ]
Mrs Dyer [ presume Ann's mother ] Birth place Ireland Date of birth Nov 78 years Date of death 1st Feb This one as you can see is very incomplete pity no place names and actual DOB and Date of death
Mrs Dunn Birth Place Ireland Date of birth 48 years ? Date of death 2nd Sept 1884
Dear Mother [ presume this must be Ann Dyer as dates match] Birth Place Ireland Date of death 26 Sept 1887
Dear father [ this must be Henry Revell ] dates of birth and death all match.
Question is Mrs Dyer ... was she actually in NZ? Is she actually buried here in NZ? If correct then she would presumably had come out to NZ with some or one of the children. If she was buried in NZ then I can assume New Plymouth or Wanganui ?? Or was she written up in the book as a reference only and she stayed back in Ireland.
Im like you Janice, this Irish connection is all shrowded in mystery and not much to go on. Ann Dyer is much the same. Found her resting place but no one in our family knows anything abt her? Got a photo and thats it.
I smell a rat :o))) My mother is no help, and her 2 sisters are long past it so no help there! Will keep on digging, never know what time may dig up
Regards
Rex
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Hi Rex
Thanks for the info. The Mrs Dunn mentioned is Susan Dyer died 5 Sept 1884 in Hawera, buried in Wanganui. Death Certificate states 49 years of age, resident in colony 26 years, born Maryborough, Ireland, 1 son, 11 years, 2 daughters, 21 and 19.
Like you not sure who Mrs Dyer is but if I uncover anything I'll let you know.
kind regards
Janice :)
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Hi again Rex
I had a look at the burials on line for New Plymouth and found a Maria Dyer aged 79 buried at the Te Henui Cemetery on 3 Feb 1884. This may be Ann and Susan's mother. I live in New Plymouth so will see if I can find the burial plot and see if it has any other details.
cheers
Janice :)
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This Mrs Dunn; I am pretty sure it will be Susan Dyer. You stated died 5 Sept 1884, death cert states she was 49 years of age.
The info I have from the family bible has a Mrs Dunn age 48 died 2 Sept 1884. The odds are this is the same person, Susan Dyer? Whats your thoughts. Will require some digging around to prove it 100% but it looks very likely.
Next thing is to link 100% Susan Dyer to Ann Dyer as being sisters and the mystery that has covered my gt gt grandmother has been partly lifted ;D
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In response to Zippygirl re John Dunn of Wanganui and Hawera. I too am a grandson of him and have been involved in some research as to his life in New Zealand. He arrived on the ship True Briton on 18 December 1852 in Wellington. They were marched with band to Mt Cook Barracks and spent a month there. He went on board the ship in January 1853 and disembarked in New Plymouth. He served his time and was discharged and received a parcel of land on the Eltham-Opunake Road. West of Kaponga there is a bridge named Dunns Creek. He returned to Hawera after living in Normanby and his address I think was Princes Street. There is quite a bit more. I am one grandson of his second marriage.
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Hi Mayroad, sorry for delay in replying but have changed e-mail address and haven't been on rootschat for some time. I am a great grand daughter of John Dunn, my grandmother was Ethel Maude Dunn who married James Barlow. I have done some research on this family but have not got back any further that John Dunn coming to NZ. Would love to hear from you.
Janice
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Hi there zippygal. I am pleased to hear from you. I have done a good deal of research on John Dunn my grandfather. To complicate things he was married twice and had 3 chn by his first marriage whose name was Susan Dyer, daughter of James Dyer and Maria Higgs She was born in 1837 in Maryboro Ireland. They married in Wanganui where John was posted as a soldier of the 65th Regiment. Susan died of TB in 1884. He married again in 1885 to Elizabeth Mary Gill. They had 8 children, 7 daughters and one son. Elizabeth was born in London and survived John by 2 years. She died in Hawere on 26 November 1909 of cancer. She and John were your great-great grandparents. As their only son was born in 1891 and died in 1892 it was the 7 daughters who provide the large family of descendants. The trouble is the 6 who married all have different surnames and are scattered far and wide through New Zealand, Australia and UK.
Ethel Maude Dunn was daughter 1 and is your great grandmother. I met her in Wanganui in 1948. She was born on 24 June 1886 and died on 28 Feb 1960 in New Plymouth. She married James Henry Barlow in 1903. He died in Wanganui in 1950. They had 8 children one of whom is your grandmother. I have met some of the Barlows and their offspring and baptised one in Wellington Cathedral about 1987 when I was Dean of the Cathedral there.
My mother was daughter 5 and she married my father Harry Brown following his return from WWI.
Most of the offspring of John Dunn's daughters (we called ourselves 'the cuzzies') have gone though there are 2 in Christchurch and 1 in Kaikoura. If you want more on the life of John Dunn, I have pieced a fair bit together. There is one cuzzie in New Plymouth. Have I whet your appetite?
Kindest regards, maysroad.
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Great to hear from you Maysroad, My father was the youngest son of Ethel and James Barlow. I have done quite a lot of research on the Barlow family, but do not know a lot about your own family or your cuzzies in Christchurch. I have been in touch with your other cuzzie in New Plymouth (where I live) and she provided me with some information and photos. One of these photos has John Dunn in it, not sure where it was taken, it looks like a wedding but not sure who's.
I did not know my grandmother, but grew up living next door to her sister Alice Dunn, I also knew Marion Pease, Ada Walshe and did meet Nell Wheeler once on one of visits to NZ.
Do you know any more about the Gill family? Apparently during the 60's one on the family visited the Gills in London.
Kind regards
Janice :)
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Hello again, Janice. Thank you for your response. You must have been in contact with cousin Marie. I think her surname is *. She had two sons one of whom, * has done a comprehensive study Of John Dunn and his descendants.
I dont know too much about the Gills but for this.
John married Elizabeth Mary Gill, daughter of James Gill 7/6/1885 in Hawera. She was born in London in 1865 and died in Hawera 28/11/ 1909 and buried in Hawera Cemetrey. Her father and mother were married at St Mary le Bow in London 30/6/1860. Someone has done research on the 'Gills of London' whose name was Jane Dobbie. James was a ships chandler, operating in Narrow Street, Poplar and there is a Gill Street named after him as he was involved in developing that area. They both died in January 1911 in a 'flue epidemic.
The Gill name was continued in John and Elizabeths 3rd child who was baptised Henry Gill Dunn. As said last time he died a year later. However, when Child 6 (Marjory (Madge) married Harold Rupert Day in 1920 their son b1921 was baptised Gilfred and known as Gill Day.
I see in the list that in the 4th generation there is a daughter of Eric Barlow named Janice Ann. I guess that might be you. The one I met in Levin in the late 80s was Eric Barlow and it was a granddaughter of his that I baptised in the Cathedral.
One lovely person who would be a first cousin of yours is * who lives in P/north. She arrived when I was installed as Dean. She was bright, vivacious and charming. Her mother was Alma Patricia Barlow, daughter of Ethol. Phew!
Kind regards, Michael. (Maysroad)
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Sorry for taking so long - my USB stick went missing and is found!!!................. From Coolbanagher Records
Surname Child's Christian name Father's name Surname Mother's name Maiden name Page/number in Register When baptized When born
Dwyer_Dyer Mary Edward Dwyer_Dyer Anne Page 121_54 11th December 1831
Dyer Joseph Martin Dyer Jane Page 80 16th January 1803
Dyer Edward John Dyer Judith Page 81 7th August 1803
Dyer William Thomas Dyer Castilia Page 81 19th August 1804
Dyer James Martin Dyer Susanna Page 84 29th December 1805
Dyer Hester Thomas Dyer Castiliana Page 87 27th September 1807
Dyer Thomas Thomas Dyer Castiliana Page 94 7th July 1811
Dyer Susan Joseph Dyer Mary Page 121_23 13th February 1831
Dyer Ann Joe Dyer Mary Page 122_69 17th June 1832
Dyer Susan James Dyer Mary Page 126_125 6th April 1834
Dyer William Joseph Dyer Mary 163 5th April 1835
Dyer Ann James Dyer Mary 239 9th October 1836
Dyer Elizabeth Joseph Dyer Mary 261 18th June 1837
Dyer Elizabeth James Dyer Maria 299 9th December 1838
Dyer Matilda Joseph Dyer Mary 322 24th November 1839
Dyer Samuel Nathaniel Dyer Anne 345 15th November 1840
Dyer Joseph James Dyer Maria 370 15th August 1841
Dyer Maryanne Joseph Dyer Mary 399 2nd October 1842
Dyer William Joshua Nathaniel Dyer Anne 402 21st November 1842
Dyer Thomas Benn Nathaniel Dyer Anne 442 27th October 1844
Dyer Alice Isabella Nathaniel Dyer Anne 511 14th November 1847
Dyer John Joseph Dyer Catharine 53 14th Sept 1856
Danishdots
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Thanks for info Danish Dots about the Dyer family, would you have any similar info about the Dunn family.
Regards
Janice :)