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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: colvin on Tuesday 18 September 07 19:48 BST (UK)
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Still trying to find any information on my grandmother's (Mary Fitzpatrick) family She was born in 1881 and baptised in the Church of St Peter & Paul, Baldoyle. She was married in St Brendon's RC Church, Coolock on 17 July 1905 and moved to Scotland. I know she had one brother, James (Jimmy), and that her father was Christopher and her mother Rose. I have now across two receipts from The Kilbarrack Burial Ground, County Dublin, both purchased by James Fitzpatrick of Raheny (my grandmother's brother?). One is dated 28 March 1920 but the lair no and name of the deceased are illegible. The other is dated 22 February 1932 for the internment of John Fitzpatrick, lair no E5416. Could he have been another brother?
Is this burial ground still in existence and is there a procedure for finding out information on the above internments?
Any help would be appreciated.
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It's certainly still in existence and is open daily.
It is on the coast road on the way out towards Howth. I don't know who has the records, but if you ever want a photo taken of a headstone, I can go have a look for you, if you are not in Dublin.
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hi, some names here do match the surname and
it clearly says the cemetery is still in use and its location.
regards.anne
http://www.interment.net/data/ireland/dublin/kilbarrack/index.htm
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Thanks for your help, Anne. Unfortunately the names listed do not appear to be for my family. Fitzpatrick is a very common name in Ireland I now realise.
Dublin 1850. Thanks for the offer but I am not sure if the family would have had enough money to purchase a headstone. As I live in England I am not able to visit the cemetery but I shall get in touch with the Burial Ground now that I know it still exists.
Again many thanks
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Hi, you might like to contact a FRANK SMITH he is the head caretaker for Kilbarrack Cemetery and of St Fintains Cemetery in Sutton where all BURIAL records for both cemeteries are held.
Phone number is +35318393877 from outside Ireland.
I live only 10min drive from cemetery.
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Gormangenealogy
Thanks for your interest. I have already been in touch with the Burial Ground and the Foreman very kindly looked up his records for me. He is looking further into my Fitzpatrick family and will be in touch again in the New Year. I feel I am now getting some positive info on the Irish side of my family after many months of searching.
Colvin
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Would this be your family:
Christopher Fitzpatrick m. Rose Connolly
1. James born 29 July 1879 Dublin Co.Dublin
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Yes, that certainly looks like my family. My grandmother was Mary Fitzpatrick, born 1881. She married my grandfather, a Scottish miner, in 1905 at Coolock, Co Dublin and moved to Scotland to begin married life, where she remained until her death in 1957. She had eleven children, none of whom knew anything about her background, but I have always been interested and am now trying to find out about my Fitzpatrick family from Dublin.
Thanks for your interest.
Colvin
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John Fitzpatrick 1932 Raheny
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1932/04885/4322853.pdf
Rose Fitzpatrick widow age 72 of Old Barracks,Raheny 1920
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1920/05130/4412792.pdf
Both their burials can be viewed here in Kilbarrick register
http://buried.fingal.ie/search-for-a-burial/
Christopher Fitzpatrick died 1915 Raheny also in the register
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1915/05274/4464167.pdf
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James Fitzpatrick died at 125 Dunluce Road,Clontarf,12th Nov 1952 a bachelor,the informant was a Mary Ryan who also looked after his interment in Grave E 5416 same number as Rose and John
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1952/04478/4174862.pdf
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Dathai, I have just returned from holiday and am delighted to have the info you have given me. I had already contacted the burial ground and they were able to give me info on John and Rose, but said they had no information on James of Christopher. They also told me Rose was married when she died, when in fact, she was widowed.
It was sad to see that John died in a mental hospital and that Christopher was an inmate of 4 nth Brunswick Street. Was that a hospital or a hostel or maybe even a workhouse? On Rose's death certificate there is the letter R on the margin beside her name, does this have a significance?
I note James lived in Clontarf - it this near Raheny? I suspect Mary Ryan, the informant, was his landlady. I can remember my grandmother going over to Dublin for his funeral.
Now that I have this information it has given me the urge to get back to tracing my Irish roots. I had given up after hitting too many brick walls. I have a marriage for a Rose Connolly and Christopher Fitzpatrick on 16 May 1875, which I hope is them. Christopher's father is shown as John and mother as Margaret (no surname), Rose's father is shown as Cornelius and mother as Mary (no surname).
How would I be able to find out if Christopher or Rose had any siblings, who would be aunts and uncles to my late mother?
I can't thank you enough for your help and interest and hope that I can eventually find a contact with my Irish family.
Regards
Anne
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Raheny to Clontarf
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kar/
4 Nth Brunswick seems to have been the North Dublin Union
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000101788/
where did the marriage in 1875 take place
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I see the marriage it looks like Christopher was from Johnstown,Finglas his father is dead and mother at Johnstown ? Rose's parents might both be dead
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=st.michans_mf_1856-1888_ma_0497
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Thanks for that info. I have now found that Christopher died in a Workhouse, so presumably he was homeless. He was shown on the 1901 census at the family home but Rose was Head of the household on the 1911 census.
Anne
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My great gran also died in the workhouse but she was'nt homeless.''Workhouse''seems to make people think that a person was destitute because they are in there it was just a hospital and my great grandfather who appears on the census was in the workhouse before and after the census simply because he was ill.
Christopher's death cert says he was 2 days in hospital.
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Howth/Foylands/1270340/
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Howth/Raheny_Town/7441/
I believe this would be Christopher in 1911 there is no one other than your Christopher to match him age wise in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Howth/Sutton_South/20781/
if he is indeed from Meath that might explain why you cant find any siblings for him in Dublin.
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I did see the 1911 census for Christopher Fitzpatrick but I dismissed it because of the following discrepancies -
1901 Census 1911 Census
Christopher is shown as 5o years of age Christopher is shown as 63 years of age
Christopher's place of Birth - Co Dublin Christopher's place of Birth - Co Meath
Christopher can read only Christopher can read and write
If he was homeless and living rough / on the streets, then he would not be on the 1911 census.
When I found his entry in the Workhouse, I read about Workhouses which were for the benefit of the homeless, penniless and vagrants. If he had still been a member of the family, why was a lair not purchased for the father. All the other members of the family are together.
I will never know, but it is very sad.
Anne
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you should try and get a look at the workhouse records which are available on one of the pay sites they give day of admission and probably previous admissions,there is always a little bit more info in these records.
If there was no contact with his family he would not have been buried in Kilbarrick he would have been buried in Glasnevin.
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Hi Colvin. As Dathai's previous post says, people often went into workhouses because of an illness, it didn't mean they were necessarily homeless. Also there are often discrepancies with the ages on people between censuses, sometimes 20 or more years.
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Thank you for confirming that being in the Workhouse does not necessarily mean someone is homeless. I am off to my daughter's for a couple of weeks but when I come back I will try to access the Workhouse records to find out why Christopher was residing there on his death.
I understand that there are often discrepancies in the census forms but it was the difference in the Place of Birth that made me dismiss the 1911 census for Christopher Fitzpatrick.
Thanks for your interest.
Anne (Colvin)
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I hadn't noticed that the place of birth was different! Best of luck with your research, I hope you find the info you are looking for. I sometimes think they deliberately hide from us ;D