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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: bjh1225 on Wednesday 19 September 07 16:33 BST (UK)
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George Garrard married Nancy Pilling in March 1876 in Huddersfield according to the offical records Bk 9a pg 490. What churches were in Huddersfield where they might have married ? I live in the USA and have not been able to learn much about Huddersfield. Is it a city or a district ?
Thanks, Bettye
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They have a local society with background information on the area.
www.hdfhs.org.uk
Pauline
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Pauline, thank you for sending the URL. I will check it out later today when I get home from my errands.
Regards, Bettye
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Hello again Bettye,
Churches: The parish church of Huddersfield is St Peters. This was a medieval church but as the town expanded in the 19th century, it was demolished and replaced with the present church on the same site.
The surrounding districts have a number of medieval parish churches, including Kirkheaton and Almondbury. As the town expanded in the 19th century, a large number of new churches were constructed in the Victorian Gothic style. These include: Fartown, Lindley, Longwood, Holy Trinity, St Pauls (which is now part of the University). The eighteenth and nineteenth centuries also saw the building of a large number of methodist chapels, some of which were very large.
Hope this is of some help,
Sue :)
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Sue. I think I need to look at the 1881 census to get an idea as to what area of Huddersfield that George and Nancy Garrard resided in.
Thanks for the info on the churches. I am sure it is going to prove useful once I get an idea of where to look.
Regards, Bettye
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hmmmm I cannot find this couple on the 1881 census. There are 3 possibles for Nancy in 1871, 2 in Longwood and 1 in Elland. I can't see an obvious one for George in 1871 however.
Just checked the marriage of Nancy and George and noticed that an Alfred Pilling married on the same day so cross checked the possible 1871's for Nancy and think this must be her:
RG10/4379/85/33
Round Ings, Longwood
Joseph Pilling, head, 45, Farmer and Manufacturer employing 16 persons
Sarah Pilling, wife, 44, wife of maunfacturer
John Pilling, son, 20, son of manufacturer
Nancy Pilling, dau, 19, dau of manufacturer
Alfred Pilling, dau, 16, Carter
Alice Pilling, dau, 15, dau of manufacturer
Clara Pilling, dau, 11, scholar
Walter Pilling, son, 7, scholar
Sarah Pilling, dau, 5, scholar
Joseph Pilling, son, 3
Malinda Pilling, dau, 1
All born Longwood.
NB; the marriage I found spells Georges surname as GARRAD not GarraRd. Alfred Pilling married Hannah Maria Holroyd.
Legs
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I checked the 1881 & 1891 censuses and George and Nancy (Pilling) Garrett/Garrad were residing in Stainland Cum Old, Lindley. I will try to use that info to help me decide where they might have married. With the info that "Leggs" just sent, my guess is they might have married in Longwood.
I appreciate everyone's input on this couple.
Regards, Bettye
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Hi again,
Just to let you know place wise Lindley is approx 2 miles from Longwood, so I think these are the correct people. Also Outlane (where Nancy states she was born on the 1881) is very close to Longwood.
I would expect them to have married in Longwood as it was the brides parish and the groom came from Suffolk so may not have family nearby, perhap why we can't locate him on the 1871 - he may still be in Suffolk.
Nancy's birth record could be either Mar 1/4 1852, Huddersfield, 9a, pg 358 or June 1852, Huddersfield, 9a, pg 347
Also, Longwood comes under the Registration District of Huddersfield where Stainland comes under Halifax.
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the 1901 just in case you don't already have them...
Han Heys, Stainland with Old Lindley
George Garrad, head, 48, Teamster - Cotton, born Ashfield, Suffolk
Nancy Garrad, wife, 48, born Outlane, W Yorks
Frances Garrad, dau, 24, Spinner - Cotton
Mary Jane Garrad, dau, 22, Carder - Cotton
George Arthur Garrad, son, 20, Teamster Mill
Isaac Henry Garrad, son, 18, Scutcher ??? - Cotton
Ada Garrad, dau, 16, Catcher in paper mill
Edgar Henry Garrad, 10
All children born in Stainland.
RG13/4128/98/1
Legs
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I have run George Garrard's name on the Suffolk censuses for 185 through 1871 without any success. I ran it every spelling I could think of plus I ran just George and just the surname, also used GARR and willdcards. There was a Richard Garrard family in Great Ashfield on the earlier censuses (1841 & 1851, I think). That is the only Garrard family I have found in Ashfield.
Thanks, Leggs, for the 1901 census data. I had not looked at it as I have been concentrating on placing George Garrard in a Suffolk family.
Regards, Bettye
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Hi..Just to add a little more to Legs and Sues posts..The church at Longwood is St Marks
Jane
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Jane, I will try to find info to verify that St Marks is where they married. I appreciate your response.
Regards, Bettye
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The 1871 Cencus has this entry
RG10/4134-100-4---Newchurch and Whalley-Lancashire
Cemetry Terr
George Gerrard 20 Brother in Law b Suffolk...Cotton Operative
He is living with John and Emma Richardson.
Jane
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Jane, GREAT ! I think that may be the lead we need as I think that George may have had a sister named Emma. I am going back and check the census records for Ashfield, Suffolk to see if this ties in.
Regards, Bettye in California
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I think you'd be best of buying their marriage certificate as that will confirm their father's names at possibly the church they married in.
Best Wishes
Legs
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Leggs, I contacted the man that I am doing this research with and he has decided that the marriage license is a 'must have'. He lives in Yorkshire so he can buy it cheaper than I can.
Thanks, Bettye
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Hello again Bettye,
Your enquiry's going well!
We think we've located the whereabouts of Round Ings (1871 census). Just above Huddersfield, going out onto the Pennines, is the village of Outlane where Nancy claims later to have been born. Today it is right next to Junction 23 of M62 motorway. If you go through Outlane then back towards Longwood you are actually travelling on Round Ings Road, which is on Outlane Moor going down to Scapegoat Hill. This is approx 1 mile from the village of Longwood, but is within Longwood Parish. Today it is on the edge of a golf course in glorious scenery. We think Round Ings is probably a hamlet on this road. My husband works nearby so says he will go and investigate!
In the census Joseph is said to be a farmer and manufacturer. This could mean that he was involved in the textile industry. The woollen industry in the west of the Huddersfield area was slow to adopt mechanisation. While wool spinning was largely carried out in mills at this date, the weaving was still often carried out in the home, with farmers often acting as middle men, supplying weavers, and then collecting and selling the finished cloth. There are other possibilities, and we'll try to hunt down a trade directory.
Meanwhile I would suggest that you do get in touch with the Huddersfield Family History Society as they are very helpful and knowledgeable. Legs' suggestion about the marriage certificate is the other most obvious route.
Keep us informed of the outcome!
Sue :)
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I did log onto the Huddersfield website but I guess I need to give it a better look. I didn't see any data or places to do research.
Thanks for all that great information on the location of Out Lane. I am going to follow up by trying to bring it up on a Google map.
I will post any up dates that I can muster.
Regards, Bettye
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If the Google map doesn't give good results, try the UK Ordnance Survey site, ask it to find Huddersfield, then move out north-west from the town itself.www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk (http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk)
I think your best bet for the marriage is the certificate. If you've any further questions then, there seem to be lots of Huddersfield area people here willing to help!
Good luck
Sue
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Sue, I was able to view everything except the words Round Ings Rd on Google. com. I always like to do a map search so I have a grasp of the area that I am interested in.
Thanks, Bettye
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Just to add a little further to Sueclogs marvellous info..
I actually lived up Scapegoat hill for a few years back in the 1980s and it does lead down to Round Ings.
There is actually a pub there called The Round Ings..
Jane
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Jane, thanks for the verification about Round Ings. I did bring up a map of the area but did not see Round Ings Rd on it.
Regards, Bettye
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Hi
There is definatly a Round Ings Rd.
Its at the top of Outlane and its now a bridge that goes over the M62 up to Scapegoat Hill
Jane
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Just found this....it would seem they have changed the name of the pub to "Highlander".
Not a map..this gives directions to the cricket club at golcar..but it gives an idea
Jane
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Getting there...nearly
http://www.golcarlily.co.uk/golcar-lily-map.html
Jane
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Thanks, Jane, for that URL. I will check the map after we have lunch. It is 12.09 pm in California.
Regards, Bettye
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I know where that is the Golcar Lily is lovely - the view is spectacular and the food is pretty good too. My grandparents live in Marsden (close ish to where you are searching) and we have taken them to the Golcar Lily for meals a fair few time when we've be up. Memories.......! Lol
Legs
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I am new to this site but found reference to this couple in previous postings, particularly by Betty bjh 1225
I am this couples great grandson and have their marriage certificate. If anyone is still pursuing them I will be happy to help.
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This link from many years ago discusses Round Ings Farm which may be the possible location recorded in the census. Also, the great grandson of the couple in question has offered information from the marriage certificate in a recent post. http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=512115.0
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I have read the various posts and recognised the surname Pilling. My 97 year old mother in law lived on Outlane as a child and she is the granddaughter of John Pilling who was the brother of Nancy. Their father was Joseph Pilling who was a farmer and manufacturer as was John. I understand the family manufactured red woollen flannelette.