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Title: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: Martin Briscoe on Monday 24 September 07 01:41 BST (UK)
Has anyone mentioned this book here?

Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Deserted-Settlements-Kilmartin-Parish-Observation/dp/1903041007/ref=sr_1_1/203-7759475-2974319?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1190594145&sr=1-1)

Some of the ruined crofts, farms and dwellings in Glassary Parish with names of people who once inhabited them

Allan Begg
Argyll and Bute Library Service
Published with the assistance of The Natural History and Antiquarian Society of Mid-Argyll 2002
ISBN 1-903041-04-X

It is a spiral bound A4 book with some colour photographs, lists ruined crofts etc as in the title.


Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: rory mac on Sunday 28 October 07 10:08 GMT (UK)
Hi,
Don't think it has been mentioned, so thankyou you for bringing it to our attention.

Rod
Victoria
Australia
Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: Martin Briscoe on Sunday 28 October 07 10:15 GMT (UK)
Hi,
Don't think it has been mentioned, so thankyou you for bringing it to our attention.

Rod
Victoria
Australia

I have a copy here if anyone wants a place checking.

Martin Briscoe
Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: Martin Briscoe on Wednesday 28 November 07 19:07 GMT (UK)
Another few books that could be of interest to people outside the area.  I picked this one up last week and reading at the moment.

Lost Argyll (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1841583618?ie=UTF8&tag=g8eprpyemuseu-21&linkCode=xm2&camp=1634&creativeASIN=1841583618)

There are two others from the same publisher that I have had for a year or so.

Villages of Southern Argyll   (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0859765830?ie=UTF8&tag=g8eprpyemuseu-21&linkCode=xm2&camp=1634&creativeASIN=0859765830)

and

Villages of Northern Argyll  (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0859765849?ie=UTF8&tag=g8eprpyemuseu-21&linkCode=xm2&camp=1634&creativeASIN=0859765849)

Martin Briscoe

Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: Teresa in Wirral on Monday 21 January 08 09:53 GMT (UK)
Hi Martin,

Please would you be able to tell me if theres anything on these places.

Glassary (is it a small village?), Dalavich (think this might be a different parish) and a place that looks like Dunsmuck or Dunimuck. I have a Catherine Downie born in Dunsmuck/Dunimuck in 1809. Her parents were John Downie of Dalavich and Anne Thomson/McTavish of Glassarymarried in 1797. 

Thank you

Teresa
Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: Martin Briscoe on Monday 21 January 08 10:47 GMT (UK)
Hi Martin,

Please would you be able to tell me if theres anything on these places.

Glassary (is it a small village?), Dalavich (think this might be a different parish) and a place that looks like Dunsmuck or Dunimuck. I have a Catherine Downie born in Dunsmuck/Dunimuck in 1809. Her parents were John Downie of Dalavich and Anne Thomson/McTavish of Glassarymarried in 1797. 

Thank you

Teresa

I am not sure of the origin of the Glassary name, there is Kilmichael Glassary where the church is located but I can't see anywhere just called Glassary.  You can get a 1:50000 map on this site (http://www.maptasm.com/) (zoom out, drag to new location then zoom in).  The only Glassary in CANMORE (http://www.rcahms.gov.uk), the RCAHMS database, is Kilmichael Glassary.


Dalavich is on the shore of Loch Awe and is in Kilchrenan & Dalavich.

Dunamuck is just North East of Cairnbaan.  Dunamuck Cottage NR 841 911 and Dunamuck around NR 843 922.  It is described in the book as

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There were quite a few dwellings here and once there also was a mill.  The 1890 Valuation Roll shows eleven cottars' houses.

It has a list of deaths from 1855, there is a Dugald McTavis (80) Mason in 1886.  Alex. MacTavish born 1855.  Gravestone in Kilmory Graveyard of Jane MacTavish died 1871 aged 89.  But no Downie or Thomson.  Incidentally the next page is Dunardy which is described as the ancestral home of the MacTavishes.  There is no name index but I can't see Downie on a quick flick through the pages but can't guarantee there are none there.

From CANMORE

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Dunamuck

Type of Site: Township
NMRS Number: NR89SW 58
Map reference: NR 8434 9225
Parish: Kilmichael Glassary
Council: Argyll And Bute
Former District: Argyll And Bute
Former Region: Strathclyde
Archaeology Notes
NR89SW 58 8434 9225
A township, comprising eleven roofed buildings, one of which surrounds a courtyard, one unroofed building and three enclosures is depicted on the 1st edition of the OS 6-inch map (Argyllshire 1873, sheet clx). Two roofed, two unroofed buildings and three enclosures are shown on the current edition of the OS 1:10000 map (1989).
Information from RCAHMS (AKK) 18 May 1999.

If you go to CANMORE and select CANMAP, zoom in to the area and you will get a 1:10000 map with dots linking to any references in CANMORE.

Martin Briscoe

Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: Teresa in Wirral on Monday 21 January 08 13:16 GMT (UK)
Thank you Martin,
off to find the places on the map.

Teresa
Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: Martin Briscoe on Monday 21 January 08 14:05 GMT (UK)
Thank you Martin,
off to find the places on the map.

Teresa

I think that Argyll & Bute Council have some very large maps available on their planning website, they show individual buildings but the site is really awkward to use from what I remember!

You will get good detailed maps at CANMAP.

Also always worth checking the National Museum of Scotland has they have lots of old maps online.

Martin Briscoe
Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: aeroqueen on Wednesday 13 February 08 21:01 GMT (UK)
Hello Martin
can you please tell me if Barradaroch is mentioned in the book my family of Galbraiths/Galbreaths lived there
kindest regards
aeroqueen
Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: Martin Briscoe on Wednesday 13 February 08 21:58 GMT (UK)
Hello Martin
can you please tell me if Barradaroch is mentioned in the book my family of Galbraiths/Galbreaths lived there
kindest regards
aeroqueen

Sorry not in the book.

Where is it, I can't find the place in CANMORE.

Martin Briscoe
Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: olorin on Friday 06 June 08 14:25 BST (UK)
Martin, do your books have any info on the location of Silvercraigs, Glassary parish, which is on the point of land between Loch Gilp and Loch Fyne, and which is still on the maps.  Time period of interest:  late 1700's.

Thanks,
Peggy Brodie
Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: Martin Briscoe on Friday 06 June 08 15:07 BST (UK)
Martin, do your books have any info on the location of Silvercraigs, Glassary parish, which is on the point of land between Loch Gilp and Loch Fyne, and which is still on the maps.  Time period of interest:  late 1700's.

Thanks,
Peggy Brodie

Sorry but it does not have any settlements shown South of the road on that headland, just West Otter on the next one to the North East.

They seem to have gone by names and locations on gravestones which are recorded by each place names.

It has Ballimore, Tomdubh, Acres, Ardnaherir, Drimfuar, Carrick, Drimgarbh along just North of the road (though Ballimore seems to be South the current aligment) going West to East.  And West Otter which was presumably the Western end of the ferry.

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CANMORE

Archaeology Notes
NR88SE 5 NR 889 845

Prior to a redevelopment, including the demolition of a small 19th-century stone building, a programme of archaeological
works consisting of an evaluation and historic building recording was undertaken in June 2005. An early map ref erence suggested that a mill may have been present on this site. The field evaluation consisted of five trenches totalling 35m in length. This included a section across the wall of the stone building. The evaluation failed to yield either significant arch aeological deposits or artefacts. The building proved to be an outbuilding associated with a 19th-century farmstead. No earlier features or artefacts were identified.
Archive to be deposited in NMRS.
Sponsor: Mr Graham.
D Wilson 2005
References
Wilson, D (2005 c)
'Silvercraigs, Lochgilphead (Kilmichael Glassary parish), evaluation; standing building recording'
Discovery Excav Scot, 6, 2005, 30,



Martin Briscoe
Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: Martin Briscoe on Friday 06 June 08 15:11 BST (UK)
Have you had a look in GOOGLE BOOKS (http://books.google.co.uk/books?as_q=silvercraigs+argyll&num=50&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_libcat=0&as_brr=3&lr=&as_vt=&as_auth=&as_pub=&as_sub=&as_drrb=c&as_miny=&as_maxy=&as_isbn=)?

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Views and notices of Glasgow in former times - Page 99
by Robert Stuart - 1848
SILVERCRAIGS' LAND, &c. THE first in point of antiquity of the buildings represented
in ... one of which bore the gyron quarterings of the family of Argyll, ...

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The Highlands and Western Isles of Scotland, Containing Descriptions of ... - Page 62
by John Macculloch, Walter Scott - Highlands (Scotland) - 1824
A ruined castle, built by the Argyll family, looks down from the bill above; and,
... The anchorage of Silvercraigs, near Loch Gilp, is one of the most ...


Several others and could be more with a different search pattern, these are fully downloadable books.

Martin Briscoe
Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: olorin on Friday 06 June 08 15:34 BST (UK)
Thank you very much-- I'll look at those this evening.  The info on Drimfuar is also helpful, I hadn't been able to locate that settlement.  Can you tell if Drimfuar and Drim are the same place? 
Peggy
Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: Martin Briscoe on Friday 06 June 08 15:56 BST (UK)
Thank you very much-- I'll look at those this evening.  The info on Drimfuar is also helpful, I hadn't been able to locate that settlement.  Can you tell if Drimfuar and Drim are the same place? 
Peggy

Druimfuar

"Druimfuar lies on the hills between the old settlement of Achnaba and the present Achnaba above the road which starts at the end of the 'cutting', about half a mile from Ballibeg, and joins the road leading into the hill from Blue Rock holiday flats."

Deaths
Hugh Dewar (1) - 1856
Nancy MacFarlane (87) - 1859
Malcolm Brodi (85) Fisherman 1859

"This was a crofting settlement which was cleared possibly earlier than 1859"
It quotes a hearing "into complaints by crofters held at Tarbert 17th April 1894, Peter Whyte of Silvercraigs named the following tenants: widow Campbell, Duncan Dewar, Hugh MacEwan and John Maclarty.  It seems likely that they would have been evicted before 1859 as the old people in the list of deceased would not have been crofting.  Whyte, in his evidence, stated that as far as he knew the last clearances had been around 32 years before 1894.  He couldn't recall the earlier ones.  I think perhaps Lagna-hullaidh on the shore may been the last"

"The people of those crofting settlements had been cleared three times.
There are three or more ruined buildings"

Druimgarbh
"These are possibly the next croft ruins along from Druimfuar.  There are two houses and other buildings.  Above, on the bank, is an old quern and I what I think could be a kiln for drying corn.  It hasn't been occupied for a long time"

"At the same meeting in Tarbert, two tenants are named, Kenneth Brodie and Duncan MacEwan."

Send me your EMail address in a Private Message and I will send a scan of the map which identifies some settlements.

Martin Briscoe
Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: Chiad Fhear on Wednesday 25 June 08 11:39 BST (UK)
Hi Martin

I'm new to RootsChat but certainly NOT to this genealogy 'lark'!

I've managed to trace my CRAWFORD roots back to Sherdrim (formerly Sheardrim) and Kilmichael Glassary in about 1796.  Unfortunately the whole of Argyllshire seems to have been populated by Crawfords and while births have been no problem locating, marriages and deaths have.

Can you help with ANY information for any of these children of my Great Great Grandparents DONALD CRAWFORD and MARY CAMPBELL who were married on 16 Dec 1810 in Kilmichael Glassary, Argyllshire

MARY CRAWFORD, b. 06 Jan 1812, Sherdrim, Glassary, Argyllshire.

DONALD CRAWFORD, b. 15 Apr 1814, Sherdrim, Glassary, Argyllshire; d. 15 Jun 1871, 42 Bedford Street, Glasgow; m. MARY MORRISON, 27 May 1844, Glassary, Argyllshire; d. Aft. 1871. Cause of Death: Disease of Bladder 3 years.  Occupation: 1871, Joiner (Journeyman)

JANET CRAWFORD, b. 02 May 1816, Sherdrim, Glassary, Argyllshire.

ALEXANDER CRAWFORD, b. 08 Jan 1818, Sherdrim, Glassary, Argyllshire.

ISABEL CRAWFORD, b. 27 Aug 1820, Sherdrim, Glassary, Argyllshire.

MARGARET CRAWFORD, b. 26 Aug 1823, Sherdrim, Glassary, Argyllshire.

JOHN CRAWFORD, b. 23 May 1829, Breunport, Sherdrim, Glassary, Argyllshire.

JAMES CRAWFORD, b. 19 Mar 1832, Breunport, Sherdrim, Glassary, Argyllshire; d. 08 Jul 1890, Paddle Steamer 'Viceroy'.

CHRISTIAN CRAWFORD, b. 22 Nov 1833, Barbreck, Glenorchy & Inishail, Argyllshire.


I have follow-up information for ISABEL, MARGARET and JAMES (Great Grandfather) but nothing else for the others, apart from what's shown.
Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: Martin Briscoe on Wednesday 25 June 08 13:41 BST (UK)
I can't see sherdrim or Sheardrim in the book.

There is Shirvan (Upper, Mid and Lower) but I can't see any Crawford mentioned in those places.

There are a couple of mentions of Shirvan in CANMORE but no match on She(a)rdrim.

No matches on Sheardrim in Google Books and just one of Sherdrim in the Journal of Clan Campbell of America but you can't see the text, there is one for Shirvin in Leigh's New Pocket Road-book of Scotland.

I can scan the pages on Shirvan and send them to you if you wish, send me your EMail address in a Private Message.

Martin Briscoe
Fort William
Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: Chiad Fhear on Wednesday 25 June 08 14:52 BST (UK)
Hi again Martin

Thanks for looking anyway.  Sherdrim (Sheardrim) is now Minard and itlies on the west shore of Loch Fyne.

I'm off to New Register House on Friday again and will continue the search there!

Regards to Ian McPherson at the Rhu Mhor Guest House on Alma Road should you see him.

Andy Crawford
(aka 'Chiad Fhear')
St andrews
Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: Martin Briscoe on Wednesday 25 June 08 15:10 BST (UK)
The book concentrates on "deserted settlements" so any that are still inhabited will not be included.

Good luck at New Register House.

Martin Briscoe
Fort William
Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: boop on Wednesday 30 July 08 00:40 BST (UK)
Hi Martin
Did you happen to see any mention of a Ferguson family in your book.
Boop
Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: Martin Briscoe on Wednesday 30 July 08 01:24 BST (UK)
Hi Martin
Did you happen to see any mention of a Ferguson family in your book.
Boop

The book is not named indexed, it is organised by settlements than any names found on gravestones from that settlement.

A quick flick through the book found

UPPER or OVER RHUDLE (RHUDAL)
Deaths
Donald Ferguson (11) 1865
Christian Ferguson (50) 1869

UPPER FINCHARD
Mary Ferguson (1 month) died 1857

Births
Mary Ferguson 1857
Christian Ferguson 1860

FEARNOCH
Edward Ferguson (1.5 years) died 1884


DUNAMUCK
Deaths
Catherine Ferguson (78) 1857


ACHNABA

Rebels ordered to forfeit stock 12 Oct 1685
Donald Ferguson in Achnaba, 5 cows, 1 mare, 2 sheep

Evidence to the Enquiry into Crofting and the Complaints of Crofters at Tarbert 17 Apr 1894
Tenants cleared ..... Dugald Ferguson, Archibald Ferguson, Malcolm Ferguson (comment that one could be father of Archibald Ferguson as below)

Gravestone Kilmory Burial Ground
Archibald Ferguson (10)   Achnaba died 1833
Peter Ferguson (26) died at Ballimore Aird  1826

I could easily have missed others


Martin Briscoe
Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: boop on Friday 01 August 08 22:59 BST (UK)
Hi Martin
Just like to say thank-you for looking for my Fergusons much appreciated.
Boop
Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: Domhnaich on Thursday 22 July 10 03:39 BST (UK)
Hello Teresa in Wirral,

Teresa I have some information on the Downie's from Dunamuck and the surround area.  I tried to PM you but couldnt find an email, if you would like me to send you the file please email me at (*)

Regards,

Damian Downie

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Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: Ringoroses on Thursday 22 July 10 06:27 BST (UK)
Hi Martin,

I see this is an old post. If the offers still open, I'm interesed in the entry for the Shirvan (aka Castleton) estate. My Carrick's lived there as estate workers c1845. I've been there a couple of times - although you can't get near it as it's all private land still.  I've researched a bit about the family who owned it at the time, the Graham-Campbells, so if you spot anything about them too, I'd much appreciate seeing it.

Regards
Ann
Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: RayChris on Sunday 25 July 10 12:14 BST (UK)
Hi Martin,
From New Zealand, my genealogy trips to Scotland on a family research project of my maternal ancestors the McCOLLUMS are becoming rare.   NZ access to purchase of books is limited also but I was given a reference to "Deserted settlements of Kilmartin Parish" by Alan Begg. I have been lucky at second-hand book sales and we have a good local library
 When I googled for Kilmartin I got the ref to Glassary.  I cannot find the latter on the local Kilmartin Glen hand drawn "map" in the tourist pamphlet that I brought back on my last visit.  Would they be adjacent to one another?
I understand that the McCollums were probably "cleared ou"t from Argyllshire as either a sub-clan of the McCALLUMS or as the McCollums in their 'own right'
My maternal Presbyterian g-grandparents were burnt out from Aughnacloy in Armagh, N.Ireland and so emigrated to NZ in 1863    I would like to trace this line back from Aughnacloy to Argyllshire probably via NE Ireland ports and any of the Argyllshire ports.
May I please ask for help with references etc and information on what material is available on-line?
Kind regards,
RayChris
Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: paulsplace2009 on Wednesday 28 July 10 00:06 BST (UK)
hiya

your posts really interestes me.

my family come from glassary.

the hamlet of gallanach.

they lived in burnside cottage and a few other places.

thier names was kerr.

does your book mention them?

i would love to know.

kind regards

paul
Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: Poppyjoey on Wednesday 18 August 10 13:33 BST (UK)
Hello Martin,

I'm writing about your book 'Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish'. My GGG Grandfather Peter Pursell was born in 1798 in  Kilmichael Glassary - his father Neil Pursell was a farmer there. I haven't been able to find any further information on Neil except his marriage to Janet McNaughtan. Pursell was often spelt Purcell or Purcel.

I know your book isn't name indexed but if you were to come across a mention of the Pursells it would be great.

Thank you
Julie
Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: helmac on Sunday 09 January 11 03:49 GMT (UK)
I am interested in the Rowan family of Upper Shervane.  My ancestor was Jane, daughter of  James Rowan Catherine MacTavish and her brother Andrew.  Jane married John mackay in 1797. She seems to have been related by marriage to the Campbell family and had a son Donald also born in Upper Shervan.
Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: Martin Briscoe on Sunday 09 January 11 11:46 GMT (UK)
I am interested in the Rowan family of Upper Shervane.  My ancestor was Jane, daughter of  James Rowan Catherine MacTavish and her brother Andrew.  Jane married John mackay in 1797. She seems to have been related by marriage to the Campbell family and had a son Donald also born in Upper Shervan.

Sorry can't see any ROWAN mentioned in that book.

MB
Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: helmac on Monday 10 January 11 06:13 GMT (UK)
Most amazed there is no mention of the Rowan family as Andrew Rowan  was a part leaseholder of the Shirvan estate in 1813.   Several generations of Rowans lived there from 1770s to 1820. (Helen)
Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: Hector99 on Thursday 20 January 11 16:52 GMT (UK)
Anyone interested in this parish should read "A History of the Glassary Stewarts", especially if they have Stewart ancestors.  It was written by my third cousin, Alexander Stewart.  Sadly it is out of print, but the book is in the National Library of Scotland, as well as the British Library.

The families mainly lived at Dunamuck, Druim, Ballimore, Auchoish, Auchinbreck and Achnaba.
Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: Ramonah1 on Wednesday 08 February 12 17:52 GMT (UK)
Hi

I am looking to find the meaning of a word ( I suspect it is a place name or farm name in Kilmichael Glassary.
Transcript of OPR Births

09/01/1785

"John McCallum Aehadaherlic & Catherine McCallum had a child named John"

The word I am looking for is "Aehadaherlic" possibly "ashadaherlic" or "arhadaherlic"

Any ideas?

Thank You

Ramona
Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: smcurrie on Monday 20 February 12 15:22 GMT (UK)
Hi, I am traveling to Scotland in April and am trying to track down any record of the Curries in Glassary Parish. The earliest record I have is of John Currie marrying Mary McAlpine in Glassary on 24 Dec 1791. When they were married, John lived on Balliemore Farm and Mary lived on Lagg Farm.

Any information you would be able to pass along about John or Mary or these farms would be greatly appreciated. Thanks,

Scott
Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: Amber2 on Tuesday 22 January 13 00:44 GMT (UK)
Hi Scott. Not sure when you posted your request re information on John Currie and Mary McAlpine. I am also researching the Currie family as I am a descendent of John and Mary`s son Neil.
It would be good to hear from you.
Ila Currie
Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: smcurrie on Thursday 31 January 13 19:11 GMT (UK)
Hi Amber, thanks for your response. I am a descendant of John and Mary's son Donald Currie (b. Dec 23, 1799), who emigrated to Ontario, CA, and Donald's son Neil Man Currie who then moved to the Detroit area, where I grew up.

I don't have much information about John and Mary, and I don't have any information about their parents. I visited Lochgilphead and Kilmichael Glassary -- around where they were married -- in April of 2012, but didn't find anything other than the parish located there.

If you have any information, please share it and I will be certain to do the same.

Thanks again!
Scott
Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: Skoosh on Friday 01 February 13 09:36 GMT (UK)
Ramonah,  possibly Achadhaherlich? not on here though,    http://www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/

Skoosh.
Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: Amber2 on Friday 01 February 13 15:48 GMT (UK)
Good to hear from you. I will be as brief as possible with my Currie information!
Parents of John Curry were ?Curry and Catherine MacDougall(Morar).
They had 3 sons:
 Peter(Gallanach), m Catherine Curry.
Ronald (Lochgair) m Sarah Clark.
John(Balliemore Aird). b 1770 m Mary McAlpine (Uila)
                                                            ###
John and Mary had ?6 children
Isabel  (b1793.Uila)
Margaret (b 1795 Uila -d1860 Middlesex Ont. m Niel Galbraith, had son Niel Galbraith)
Donald (b1799 Uila-d ?1867. Dunwich later Saugheen Bruce Co Ont m   Euphemia McCallum. ?14 children.)
Jean (b1802)
Elizabeth (b1807-d1894?Dunwich Ont.m Benjamin Gunn.)
Niel (b1809-d? Glassary  m Isabella McEwan. Lived at Carrick. Had Mary, John,Archibald,Ronald,(my g.grandfather),Isabella, Catherine.)
                                                        ####
It appeas that Margaret,Donald and Elizabeth emigrated to Dunwich Ont and I beleive their elderly parents John and Mary did too.
My family line comes from Niel (m Isabella mcEwan).His son Ronald was my g.grandfather born at Carrick.
                                                        ####

The place names mentioned are now deserted settlements.
Uila (Uillian) an ancient community situated behind Bridgend in present day Kilmichael-Glassary.
Gallanach around where Lochgair village is today Carrick is near Port Ann, and I believe Balliemore Aird to be near Castleon Estate Lochgilphead, although I think there were two Balliemores.
I do not have any evidence of occupations, but safe to say most would have been involved with agriculture and or fishing.
I am currently researching where this branch of the Curries  came from originally. The spelling of the name is  "Curry" up until Niel had his family then became "Currie".

 I was unaware that I had  forebears who emigrated to Canada, so am looking forward to learning  a bit more.I figure that Donalds children  and my g.grandfather Ronald would have been cousins..am I right??.....Ila
Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: Skoosh on Sunday 03 February 13 10:11 GMT (UK)
There are also two Gallanach's, the Loch Gair one and another on Loch Crinan.

Skoosh.
Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: Amber2 on Monday 04 February 13 21:52 GMT (UK)
Thanks!

Amber
Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: lmfamilyresearch on Wednesday 18 September 13 19:34 BST (UK)
Hi Martin,

Is there any mention of Baramollach (sp?)?  My ancestors (Camerons) lived there and were herders at Ederline Farm.

Thanks,

Liisa
Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: Kilmichael on Monday 04 November 13 20:52 GMT (UK)
Hello Martin
can you please tell me if Barradaroch is mentioned in the book my family of Galbraiths/Galbreaths lived there
kindest regards
aeroqueen


Sorry If this is old news but there is a Bardaroch just above the crinan canal if this is of any interest,
Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: Kilmichael on Monday 04 November 13 20:59 GMT (UK)
Hi Martin,

Is there any mention of Baramollach (sp?)?  My ancestors (Camerons) lived there and were herders at Ederline Farm.

Thanks,

Liisa
Barmollach is up kilmichael glen not far from ederline as you probably already know.
Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: galbraithgayle on Thursday 22 May 14 03:25 BST (UK)
is there any mention of Rudil or Rhudle - and if so any mention of an Archibald Campbell living there   thank you
Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: Istrice on Friday 23 May 14 19:18 BST (UK)
Hi GG

Rhudil is shown on OS Sheet 55 Map Ref. 842947.  It lies to the east of the A816, approx 1km North and East of Dunadd.
There are various spellings of the name on maps over the years: Rhudle, Rhudal, Rhudil.  The Rhudil Burn is some 300m north of the steading, and the old OS sheets indicate a Rhudal Mill beside the burn.
Regards
Istrice
Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: Bpanter on Thursday 16 July 15 06:39 BST (UK)
Hi Martin,
Any mention of the McArthur or McKillop names prior to 1790?
I have Catherine McArthur b.1760 m.1784 Donald McKillop b.1760 both were supposedly b. in Glassary Parish but no idea where.
Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: DW Currie on Monday 25 January 16 15:52 GMT (UK)
Scott,

I got your message but i cannot reply for some reason.  My email is *.

I can share with you what I have

Dean
Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: ev on Monday 25 January 16 17:27 GMT (UK)
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Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: DW Currie on Monday 25 January 16 18:36 GMT (UK)
Thank you Sir!
Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: Bpanter on Tuesday 26 January 16 17:40 GMT (UK)
Anyone interested in this parish should read "A History of the Glassary Stewarts", especially if they have Stewart ancestors.  It was written by my third cousin, Alexander Stewart.  Sadly it is out of print, but the book is in the National Library of Scotland, as well as the British Library.

The families mainly lived at Dunamuck, Druim, Ballimore, Auchoish, Auchinbreck and Achnaba.

That book is available online at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/839818
Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: drsenn on Wednesday 20 April 16 04:13 BST (UK)
Hi,

I'm trying to find Cossack Inn on a current map, e.g Google or Bing Map. I have Allan Begg's book but cannot locate the ruin's on a modern satellite map. They should be easy to see especially the bridge next to the ruin's. I was wondering if anyone has located the position of the ruins?

David
Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: Martin Briscoe on Wednesday 20 April 16 08:02 BST (UK)
Hi,

I'm trying to find Cossack Inn on a current map, e.g Google or Bing Map. I have Allan Begg's book but cannot locate the ruin's on a modern satellite map. They should be easy to see especially the bridge next to the ruin's. I was wondering if anyone has located the position of the ruins?

David

I don't know where it is but you might be better looking on the National Library of Scotland mapping (http://maps.nls.uk/series/index.html).  They have complete coverage of the 1st and 2nd Edition 6" maps and 1st and 2nd Edition 25" covers towns and villages.

Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: paulsplace2009 on Monday 25 July 16 18:33 BST (UK)
Hi Martin

Thanks for this.

Any mention of a settlement , called Knock, just above Lochgair near Loch Glashan?

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: JLitmore on Tuesday 01 October 19 05:39 BST (UK)
Not sure if you’re still active, Ila, but curious about John and Mary Currie (nee MacAlpine).  I believe I’m descended from their daughter Margaret who married a Neil Galbraith and came to Canada.

My great-grandmother was Lena Galbraith, daughter of Duncan Galbraith who was born in Ontario and first to move to Manitoba.  His father was Neil Galbraith (b ? in Scotland, died in Ontario 1875). He married Janet Orr from Islay (b 1823 in Kilarrow Parish, Islay; d. 1897 Carman, Manitoba).

Neil’s father was also Neil Galbraith and his mother was Margaret Currie, both of Argyllshire. They came to Canada, settling in Ontario and both died there (he in 1867, she in 1860). As I understand it her parents, John and Mary Currie, also came over.
Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: Bpanter on Tuesday 01 October 19 21:28 BST (UK)
@JLitmore,
Your Margaret Currie Galbraith seems to be a lot like https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/93835564/margaret-galbreath
There were many from Glassary amongst the Talbot Settlement in and around Elgin County, Ontario.
My family had Galbraith neighbors in Dutton, circa 1910.
One of these (John Kenneth G.) became quite famous as JFK's economic guru and as author of The Scotch.
The library there is now named for him.
Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: Jim Fisher on Thursday 07 November 19 13:53 GMT (UK)
Hi

I am looking to find the meaning of a word ( I suspect it is a place name or farm name in Kilmichael Glassary.
Transcript of OPR Births

09/01/1785

"John McCallum Aehadaherlic & Catherine McCallum had a child named John"

The word I am looking for is "Aehadaherlic" possibly "ashadaherlic" or "arhadaherlic"

Any ideas?

Thank You

Ramona

John McCallum might be a ancestor of mine. John Campbell and Sarah McCallum are my third great grandparents. Sarah’s death is mentioned in Begg’s book.
Title: Re: Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish
Post by: CDoersch on Wednesday 18 May 22 20:02 BST (UK)
Good to hear from you. I will be as brief as possible with my Currie information!
Parents of John Curry were ?Curry and Catherine MacDougall(Morar).
They had 3 sons:
 Peter(Gallanach), m Catherine Curry.
Ronald (Lochgair) m Sarah Clark.
John(Balliemore Aird). b 1770 m Mary McAlpine (Uila)
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John and Mary had ?6 children
Isabel  (b1793.Uila)
Margaret (b 1795 Uila -d1860 Middlesex Ont. m Niel Galbraith, had son Niel Galbraith)
Donald (b1799 Uila-d ?1867. Dunwich later Saugheen Bruce Co Ont m   Euphemia McCallum. ?14 children.)
Jean (b1802)
Elizabeth (b1807-d1894?Dunwich Ont.m Benjamin Gunn.)
Niel (b1809-d? Glassary  m Isabella McEwan. Lived at Carrick. Had Mary, John,Archibald,Ronald,(my g.grandfather),Isabella, Catherine.)
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It appeas that Margaret,Donald and Elizabeth emigrated to Dunwich Ont and I beleive their elderly parents John and Mary did too.
My family line comes from Niel (m Isabella mcEwan).His son Ronald was my g.grandfather born at Carrick.
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The place names mentioned are now deserted settlements.
Uila (Uillian) an ancient community situated behind Bridgend in present day Kilmichael-Glassary.
Gallanach around where Lochgair village is today Carrick is near Port Ann, and I believe Balliemore Aird to be near Castleon Estate Lochgilphead, although I think there were two Balliemores.
I do not have any evidence of occupations, but safe to say most would have been involved with agriculture and or fishing.
I am currently researching where this branch of the Curries  came from originally. The spelling of the name is  "Curry" up until Niel had his family then became "Currie".

 I was unaware that I had  forebears who emigrated to Canada, so am looking forward to learning  a bit more.I figure that Donalds children  and my g.grandfather Ronald would have been cousins..am I right??.....Ila

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Dear Amber / Ila Currie -

My partner, Sean McCollum, is a direct descendant of John and Mary (MacAlpine) Currie's son Donald Currie. Can I contact you about your records of the family prior to emigration to Canada? I have extensive information on Curries from the time of their emigration (1819). Cheers. Charles Doersch