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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs => Topic started by: ludovica on Tuesday 25 September 07 10:52 BST (UK)
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(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa162/ludovica1/hirescrew.jpg)
I'd be interested if anyone can date this pic
I think that says "Wright, Portishead" in the corner.
My Mum used to tell me the chap in white with the pipe was her dad, but now she denies saying that so I dont know. He was a Stoker P.O I know he was abord the Skipjack at some stage, but I'm not sure he is in the picture. It looks post WW1 to me, but I thought the Skipjack was sunk in the war so I'm confused.. If anyone thinks they want to have a go at smartening them up a bit feel free.
I do own the photo, but cant rescan as my Tiny FU661E scanner wont work with my new Vista computer! :(
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Is it at all possible for you to read what it says on their hats ?
I believe that if a ship was sunk or destroyed, then the name could be reused ... not totally sure
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Is it at all possible for you to read what it says on their hats ?
Yeah It says HMS Skipjack!:D... except the sinister looking one whose hat says HMS Venerable
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Have just "Googled" HMS Skipjack and there are a great number of sites that give details of the life of this ship
Including one from the BBC
Smurf
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Anything on the back which might date it ?
If it's a postcard, there may be someone who could date it by the design/typeface/format
Looking up HMS Venerable might help also
Rachel :)
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Anything on the back which might date it ?
If it's a postcard, there may be someone who could date it by the design/typeface/format
Rachel :)
Just the standard split back postcard (blank) I'm afraid
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Just the standard split back postcard (blank) I'm afraid
Any chance of scanning the back and putting it on here ?
Not sure which board as I'm still finding my way around, but there might well be a 'postcard' enthusiast who could come up with an approximate date from the layout and where it was printed.
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Googled HMS Venerable (looking for clues) ... there were 4 ... launched in :-
1784
1808
1899
1943 .... This was an aircraft carrier which was sold to the Netherlands in 1948 and renamed Karel Doorman.
So if the chap with Venerable on his hat was a former crew member, that gives a possible timescale
Don't know if this helps atall or fits in with the rest of your info.
Rachel
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Just the standard split back postcard (blank) I'm afraid
Any chance of scanning the back and putting it on here ?
Not sure which board as I'm still finding my way around, but there might well be a 'postcard' enthusiast who could come up with an approximate date from the layout and where it was printed.
Well it was printed by Wright of Portishead presumably.. and no, Scanner doesn't work any more sorry
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Text not applicable so have removed
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Notes found @ http://www.clydesite.co.uk/clydebuilt/warships/vessel.asp?id=10909
HMS Skipjack 1934-1-18
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HMS Skipjack
Minesweeper, Halcyon Class
Launched by John Brown Clydebank, Yard No: 537, on 18/1/1934, and sunk during the Dunkirk evacuation 1/5/1940.
785t standard; 1330t deep
245ft 6in oa x 33ft 6in x 10ft 3in
2 shaft geared turbines VC, 2 admiralty 3-drum boilers, oil, 1750shp giving 17 knots
2 x 4in/45 QF MkV HA with 40 DC as an escort.
Crew 80
1/5/1940 Skipjack (Lt.Cdr. F.B. Proudfoot, RN) was sunk by intensive bombing from a force of German bombers off La Panne (Belgium) while assisting in the evacuation of British troops from Dunkirk. She had on board between 250 and 300 soldiers just rescued from the beach, and there were few survivours.
This would be a successor to the Skipjack my Grandpa served on.
Thanks for that though
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How about this one?
HMS Skipjack 30th April 1889 Converted to a minesweeper in 1908. Sold for scrap in 1920.
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That'd be it! Thank you :)
Maybe the crew photo was from about 1920 then?
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HMS Skipjack 30th April 1889 Converted to a minesweeper in 1908. Sold for scrap in 1920.
Does that tie in with the HMS Venerable info ?
aha .. the 1899 Venerable was sold for scrap in 1920 ;D
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Just found this
HMS Venerable (1899) was a London class battleship, a sub-class of the Formidable class battleship, and the third to bear the name serving in the British Royal Navy.
Completed on 12 November 1902, initial service as second Flagship of the Mediterranean Fleet.
October 1909 service with Atlantic Fleet after refit.
May 1912, paid off into reserve until the start of World War I when she was transferred to Dover.
May 1915 to Dardanelles, but only spent a short time there before being attached to the Italian fleet at Taranto as a depot ship.
1918 - returned to United Kingdom and spent more time as a depot ship.
June 1920 - sold for breaking up.
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Hi Smurf
I've had a quick google for Bristol Photographers with the surname Wright (my Atlas shows Portishead as being near Bristol) ... am assuming that this is the correct name ... it may be printed on the back and give a clue as to the date, depending on whether it's Wright & Co., Wright & Burchill ... etc.
There was:-
Wright (Albert Henry) & Burchill
1906 ... Albert Henry Wright .... (Bedminster)
1910 ... Wright & Burchill .... (Bedminster)
1912 ... Wright & Co.
1919 ... Wright, A. H. & Co.
1924 ... Wright, A.H. ... (Bedminster)
1937 Last entry
These are from a trade directory
http://www.cartes.fsnet.co.uk/photo/azlist2.htm
The name 'Wright' and 'Portishead' written on the front would mean that the photo was taken at Portishead.
Bedminster is on the outskirts of Bristol.
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That is GREAT! a better result than I could have imagined! Thank you so much Rachel and papasmurf
Much appreciated :)
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Rachel
Have found a couple of pics of HMS Venerable
I am posting these
Sadly I have to move on now - many other tasks to complete
Hope I have been of some help
Smurf
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You've been a tremendous help. Thanks so much :)
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Ooooo Smurf .... those are nice :)
Shall we all colour them in ? .... it could be fun ;D ;D
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Just a quick thought... :-X they're not copyrighted are they? :-X ??? ???
Poll
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A black/white one from me
Rachel :)
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Colour them ???? Would luv to
But,dont think I got enough years left ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
By the way Rachel - that is an awsome restore
Wish I had the techniques do them like that - could make a fortune :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Smurf
Copyrighted?? They were downloadable with no protection - dont know much else about it
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Thats a lovely restore Rachel.. They look a lot more "ship-shape and Bristol-fashion"! Thanks....
:)
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Thats a lovely restore Rachel.. They look a lot more "ship-shape and Bristol-fashion"! Thanks....
Oh groan !!! just got the joke ;D ;D ;D they do look better though don't they, but there's room for improvement.
Hope someone else will have a go ... it would be really good in colour too.
Smurf ... thanks for the flattery .... I can always do with that ..... MORE PLEASE ;D
(all I did was take my time fiddling around trying out different tools) ;)
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Just for Rachel ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
A VERY quick addition of colour to Rachels restore :D :D :D :D :D
Please excuse me if the flags are wrong colour
Smurf
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That is gorgeous papasmurf, thanks! :-*
Do you have one of original size?
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Hi Ludovica
Hope this is the right one :D :D :D :D
Thanks to Rachel for the permission to colour it ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Smurf
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That looks terrific! :)
My Mum will love it
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Hey Smurf
They do look good in colour ;D ;D
That's a nice blue you've managed to get ... too tricky for me :'( ;)
Rachel :)
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Other photographs of Skipjack and Venerable here: -
http://www.photoship.co.uk/Old%20Ships/oldshippictures.html
Follow links.
George
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I've bookmarked that..
Thanks George :)
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Colour ... from me at last (my first group pic. in colour)
The info I found on google said that signal flags can be any colour but are usually red & yellow.
Could not find anything on sail colour :( .... will change it if I've made a huge booboo ;D
Rachel
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Rachel
Too tricky ehhhh??? ??? ??? ???
Oh by the way - Very nice job too :P :P :P :P :P
Smurf
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;D YES ... I'll say it was tricky ! ! ! >:( >:( >:(
I gave up with the uniform colour yesterday and had a real battle again today .... bet I've missed out something really important ...
Can anyone spot it ? ;) :D
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Rachel
Nope - I still got double vision fron yesterday ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Smurf
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Doesn't that look like Anthony Quinn ...... the taller of the 2 chaps standing, wearing white jackets (on the right) ;D ;D ;D
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Like a young Anthony Quinn - yes 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
The one on the far left must be the crew member with 'attitude' ;D ;D ;D
Smurf
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Great restores both of you! They are a right bunch of characters arent they. I particularly like the HMS Venerable guy with the pipe in the middle, looking very mean and moody! :)
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Brilliant Rachel
Mudge
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;D ;D Thanks Mudge .... my head's beginning to swell with the nice comments ::)
Suspect my next 'restore' will be complete rubbish ! :o ;D ;)
BTW I forgot to say how much I like your version of Clara's ? sister ? ....
beautifully accomplished .... so romantic :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
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This photo is a wonderful find, it is the Halycon Class minesweeper that was sunk 78 years ago today, 1st June 1940. The photographer probably would have been the original Mr Wright who subsequently went on to form Wright & Logan, maritime photographers based in Portsmouth. They may well still be in existence. My Grandfather was aboard HMS Skipjack when she sailed from Chatham Dockyard to take part in the evacuation at Dunkirk. He was killed when the ship was sunk. As I have no photograph of him, for all I know, he could be one of the sailors in this picture. Thank you for this wonderful restoration on behalf of all the families of the men in this photograph. You've honoured them.
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The photograph must have been taken between March 1914 & 28 October 1916, I have the Navy Record of my Grandfather Thomas Selfe K17644 showing he served on the Skipjack between those dates, he is the sailor just below the left hand ladder with the cigarette in his mouth :)
Steve