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Independent Islands => Alderney, Guernsey, Jersey, Sark => Channel Islands Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Alleycat on Friday 28 September 07 09:35 BST (UK)
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Trying to find any information about David George BREE, born 22/11/1934 in the Parishof St Clements. Father - John Francis Carboulec Bree, mother - Marie Alexandrina BELHOMME. Thankyou all in advance to those that help me. Alleycat :)
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Hi Alleycat
Is there anythng specific you are looking for?
What do you know already?
Stewart
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Sorry Stewart, am quite new to all this. Thanks for replying. I know my dad was born in the parish of St Clements 22/11/1934. He remembers there being 7 children, names of which i have only just found out via the registration cards that they had to have back in 1940. I would like to know more info about his parents as at this stage i have no inifo on them except their names. Would like to get more information as i have attempted several times over the years to start my family tree with no success so i am trying yert again.
many thanks Alleycat
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Me again
So if I find who more information about your grandparents, that hopefully should take you back beyond 1901 and then you can start looking at the census.
Leave it with me for a few days.
What part of the world are you from?
Stewart
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Thanks Stewart. Im from Australia. Mum and Dad came out on the 10pound passage at the end of 1960. Alleycat
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Progress!!
Can I first give you some background information about the BMD's in Jersey. Apologies if you already know this. Sadly, very few of the records are computerized so it's a case of going through manual indexes. There is an index for each Parish (of which there are 12) and these are sub-divided into Births, Deaths and Marriages. They are then sub-divided into volumes covering different (random?) periods. The good thing though is that once you have the index entry, you can look at the original certificate. What I have found is that the Bree's were centered around the eastern Parishes of Grouville, St. Clement, St. Helier and St. Martin, which made life a lot easier.
OK, so what do we know already. Yes, the registration card which was required during the occupation was a good place to start and so I have looked up the index entries for them if you should want to request the certificates later.
Charles Edward Bree- Born St. Helier, volume 65 (20/7/1935 - 22/5/1937) page 22
Michael Roy Bree - Born St Helier, volume 65 (20/7/1935 - 22/5/1937) page 92
Doreen Mary Bree - Born St. Saviour, no volume (24/10/1932 - 6/4/1938) page 486
Margaret Teresa Bree - Born St. Helier, volume 67 (25/4/1939 - 20/9/1941) page 26
Derek Bree - Born St. Helier volume 67 (25/4/1939 - 20/9/1941) page 77
For John Charles Bree see later.
David George Bree as we know was born in St Clement 27/11/1934 and the index entry is 26/7/1934 - 30/2/1947, page 18.
I thought the best place to start was to try and find the marriage of John Francis Bree to Marie and this I found. They were married 20/3/1934 at the church of St. Thomas in Val Plaisant, St. Helier (a Roman Catholic Church). The index entry is St. Helier Registrar, volume 28, May 1933 - Jan 1935, page 48. I have seen the marriage certificate and the details are:
John Francis Carboulec Bree, aged 20 and a bachelor. He was residing in St. Clement but was born in Grouville and his father was given as John William Bree. Both John's were labourers.
Marie Alexandrine Belhomme was aged 20 and a spinster. No occupation given. She was also residing in St. Clement where she was born. Her father was Louis Charles Belhomme who at the time of the marriage was a deceased labourer.
There were two notes appended to the certificate.
One was "the parties here acknowledge John Charles Belhomme born St Helier, 14/10/1933 as their child".
Sadly, the second note states that the marriage was dissolved 13/9/1966.
I then looked for the birth certificate of John Francis Bree. As he married in 1934 and was aged 20, this narrowed down the search. I found Jean (pronounced John) Francis Carboulec Bree born in Grouville. The index is 2/5/1913 to 20/12/1926, page 5.
The certificate told me he was born 23/5/1913 to Jean Bree and Amelia Carboulec. Jersey is a strange place in that they tend always to refer to the ladies maiden name. They assume they were married. Jean Bree was a Jounalier (journeyman) and the birth was registered by Marianne Le Roux.
This is as far back as I have got at the moment. The next step is to find the marriage of John/Jean William Bree to Amelia Carboulec and this I should be able to do in a couple of days time. A first quick look was not too promising. However if I can find JWB's birth or death that may help.
I have made lots of notes and also recordered other Bree's as I came across them in case I need them later. Let me know if anything doesn't make sense - I could have transcribed it incorrectly.
Stewart
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Dear Stewart, you are such a gem ;), Many many thanks for doing that. I can now say that I have a family tree (sapling anyway). Any other info will of course be greatfully accepted (it goes without saying that many thanks are attached to that as well). I can now go off to our little genealogy group and let them know what you havefound for me. I would like to ask if you know how I could search if people are still on the island.
Again Many thanks
Alleycat
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Hi Alleycat
I have a further twig for your sapling!
I have seen Amelia Bree's Registration Card and Identity Card from the Occupation. The ID card number is 26000 and there is a picture of Amelia attached.
There are various addresses given and they are as follows:
16/1/1941 - 2, Baudains Cottage, La Rocque, Grouville.
18/8/1941 - 2, Rosemount Cottages, Mont Pinel, St Helier.
18/11/1942 - 12a Caprice Villas, Le Breton Lane, St Heller.
She gives her status as married but claims dual nationality by having French parents but British by marriage.
On the back of the Registration Document children under 14 years have to be listed and there is a William George Bree born 10/8/1927 at Gorey Village, St. Martin. So, John/Jean Francis Carcoulec Bree had a brother!
I have also discovered a letter, the details of which I will send by private email.
It is possible to get copies of the documents if required.
Regards
Stewart
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Hi Stewart, thanks for that info, you don't know how much this means to me (well you might) to finally be finding out info about my family. In Tuesday 2nds posting you wrote that David George Bree was born 27 Oct 1934 - is this right as I now it to be the 22 Oct 1934, are you able to check that out for me please :). How do I go about getting copies of everything and what would the cost be.
Again, many thanks for you help
Alleycat
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Hello again
Glad that I have been of use!
If you want copies of BMD certificates then you apply to the Superintendent Registrar. Details can be found at:
http://genuki.weald.org.uk/chi/alex/ciresearch.html#faq4
If you've not seen this site before it can be very useful.
If you want copies of other documents then they have to be ordered from the Archive Centre. Being a "local" I just collect them and they charge me £1 a copy. I'm not sure of the procedures for other people so suggest you email them at:
archives@jerseyheritage.org
Let me know if you encounter any problems and I'll get the copies done for you and send them on.
As regards the birth date of DGB, you are right it is 24/11/1934. Put it down to finger trouble and old age!
You sent me a personal reply re Amelia but there wasn't anything attached!
Stewart
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Hi Alleycat
I bit more information.
Jean Francois Carboulec Bree died 8th September 1971 at Overdale Hospital aged 58 years 3 months. The reference is St Helier Deaths, July 1971 - March 1973, volume 75, page 5. His occupation was given as gardener.
I then looked at the deaths column in the Jersey Evening Post and there was an entry in 10th September 1971.
Passed peacefully away on September 8th 1971 at St. Helier, Jean Francois Carboulec Bree aged 58 years, late gardener of The Mermaid Hotel, St. Peter. Deeply mourned by his sister Emily and brother-in-law George and family.
I'm finding this quite interesting. Do you want me to see if I can find a living relative?
Stewart
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Hi Stewart, thanks a heap for finding out everything. You don't know how excited everyone was at my genealogy class to hear that I (you) have found my family at last. Sorry that you got an empty personal reply, I must have pressed the wrong button, so again thanks for your time on helping me find my family. In regards to finding a living relative - that would be really great, as I wasn't aware that he had a sister, only the brother you found. Dad did say that his father did have other children (?7) with another woman (? as to her name) and that he has twin step sisters and a step sister called Shiona.
Again many, many thanks, as I wouldn't know where I would be with my poor little sapling if it hadn't been for you and your willingness to help.
Alleycat
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Hi Alleycat
Well I have now searched all the marriage and death records from 1950 for any mention of you aunts and uncles. Apart from John (see later) they seem to have disappeared as I can find no trace.
John Charles Bree married 9th Sept 1953 at St Clement's Church (the same church that I was married in!!). He was a signalman in the army and gave his residence as St. Clement but born in St Helier. His father was John Francis Bree, a labourer.
His wife was Beryl Sylvia Holloway, aged 20 who resided in St Clement but was born in Folkstone, Kent. Her father was Ernest Edward Daniel Holloway, a postman.
The marriage was dissolved 21st Nov 1959.
I think I've come to a brick wall as far as Jersey connections go.
Stewart
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Hi Stewart,
I would like to thankyou very much for all your help and time in assisting me to find my family. Maybe we will be in contact again when I look for someone else.
Many thanks
Alleycat :)
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Hello there
my name is Lisa Baker and my great grandmother was Marie Alexandrine Jenkinson(nee Belhomme) i have been doing some research andi have stumbled upon these messages asking about my great-nana and here life and marriage in jersey, i have concluded pretty much the same info but would like to help my nana (marie daughter) piece together her life and if there is other family that no body knows about? my great-nana moved to Glanford, Holt, England with my nana and her 2 older brothers with my great grandad. through her death in 1997 we found that they had never married hence why i am delving into her past to find out more info!!
so any help would be greatly appreciated
kind regards
:)
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Hi,
I am one of six grandchildren of Derek John Bree. I thought I would add this information on for you.
We are currently trying to find out more information on my grandfathers childhood as it was something he kept a secret. He passed away earlier this year and we have only found out small amounts from what my father (who would be your cousin) was given of his possessions.
Do you know anything about your fathers childhood at all?
Many Thanks
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Hi Lisa & Denny123,
My name is Alice and I live in Australia.
Sorry, to have not replied any earlier but I forgot that I had started this page.
Marie Alexandrine Bree (Belhomme) was my grandmother, my dad - David George Bree was born in 1934, in St Clements, Jersey.
Denny - dad had a brother Derek, born about 1940.
Dad didn't talk about his childhood very much and it wasn't until a few years before his death that I was finally able to find his older brother - John.
I haven't been able to do much with my tree, but if I can help, let me know.
Alice
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Hi Alice,
I am looking into the Bree family for my partner (Kimberley Coral Bree) and came across your messages. John Charles Bree is her granddad and Beryl Holloway was her grand mother but know very little about them and the rest of the Bree Family. Would you be interested in sharing some information? It seems that you have gathered quite abit of information that would be of great interest to us and maybe we can add bits to your tree from her line.
Kind Regards
Jamie
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Hi Jamie,
Thanks for your enquiry. Unfortunately my John Charles Bree was not married to Beryl Holloway. He was only married to Pamela Jarvie. I had the pleasure of meeting both John and Pam a few years back and I asked him about Beryl. He said he had only been married once and that was to Pam. They have both since passed away.
Sorry I'm unable to he you with your John and Beryl.
Regards,
Alice
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Hi Alleycat
Well I have now searched all the marriage and death records from 1950 for any mention of you aunts and uncles. Apart from John (see later) they seem to have disappeared as I can find no trace.
John Charles Bree married 9th Sept 1953 at St Clement's Church (the same church that I was married in!!). He was a signalman in the army and gave his residence as St. Clement but born in St Helier. His father was John Francis Bree, a labourer.
His wife was Beryl Sylvia Holloway, aged 20 who resided in St Clement but was born in Folkstone, Kent. Her father was Ernest Edward Daniel Holloway, a postman.
The marriage was dissolved 21st Nov 1959.
I think I've come to a brick wall as far as Jersey connections go.
Stewart
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Hi does anybody have any more information on John Charles Bree who married Beryl Sylvia Holloway? I am interested in the Bree line and finding it very hard to get anywhere. From previous posts i can see that John Charles Bree father was John Francis Bree. Anybody know a mother? Or anyother relatives?
Stewart you seem to have good acces to pieces of information so any help would be really appreciated.
Jamie
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Has anybody found any more information relating to the post above? Back looking many years later.
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If you have Facebook, join the Jersey Family Tree group.
There are lots of Bree's who are members!
Stewart
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Great thanks. I will definitely look them up.