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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Kerry => Topic started by: murphy60 on Monday 01 October 07 00:58 BST (UK)
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Hello everyone,
I'm looking for information on the Berry Family living in Charles Street in Listowel in 1911 or in surrounding areas.
Anna Theresa Berry came to America in 1911 (corrected) 1909 in her late 80's to join her daughter Anna Theresa Moran living in Kansas City, Missouri. Anna sr was escorted by her son John on the trip over. Her name on the "Carmania" manifest was spelled "Johannah".
Anna sr. lived another 6 years in Kansas City w/ her daughter's family. Her obituary said she was born in Kerry Co. and was survived by 7 children in Ireland and New Zealand. Only her dau, Anna Theresa b. circa 1863 in Scotland ??? and John b. circa 1871 are the only children I know.
Anna Theresa Berry's death certificate says she was born November 27, 1820 but this year doesn't jive with any of her stated ages. She was a widow when she came to the US, her husband may have been named "Jack" Berry.
Her father's name was Michael Lynch b. in Scotland.
Her mother was Mary E. Brown b. in Ireland.
Many thanks!
lissa
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The information you need seems to be on IGI (although most of it is submitted so would need to be treated with caution and verified).
John BARRY and Ann/Johanna Lynch
1. Hannah Barry born c1860 Co.Kerry
2. Thomas Barry born c1862 Co.Kerry (see below)
3. Ellen Barry born c1864 Co.Kerry
4. Margaret Barry born c1866 Co.Kerry (birth reg. 20 May 1866 Ballylongford, Co.Kerry)
5. Honora Barry born c1857 Co.Kerry died 16 Aug.1932 married 4 Nov.1876 Listowel to Edward Walsh (more below).
6. John Barry born 14 Jan.1871 Balahadique, Listowel
7. Michael Barry born 10 July 1869 Balahadique, Listowel
8. Mary Barry born 2 Apr.1874 Pound Lane, Listowel
Thomas J. Barry b.Ireland son of John & Hanah married 16 Apr.1895 Manhattan, N.Y. to Catherine O'Connor.
Edward Walsh & Honora Barry:
1. son born c1880 Co.Kerry
2. Mary Ellen Walsh born 22 Sept.1879 Listowel or Tralee
3. Michael Walsh born 15 Nov.1877 Listowel
and the following could be other children of theirs:
-Thomas Leonard Walsh born 7 Dec.888 Greenmeados, Hawkes Bay, N.Z. died 22 Nov.1976 married 18 Nov.1919 New Plymouth, Tranaki, N.Z. to Veronica Agnes Dillon.
-Johanna Margaret Walsh born 29 Nov.1890 Greenmeadows died 23 Mar.1891
-Gerald Francis Walsh born 15 July 1894 Greenmeadows died 12 Jan.1968
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Thanks, Aghadowey, Very interesting! Will see if I can verify this information.
Again the problem with Ann/Johanna/Anna srs. age. This information would put her birth 15+ years later.
A key missing element to connecting this family is "Anna Theresa", the daughter who is missing from this birth order of children unless she is the 1st born Hannah ???
Both mother and daughter retained their middle name/initial all their lives. I would be surprised not see it listed even in light of the Anna vs Johannah vs Hannah variation.
The lead to the son Thomas who married in the US will also be very helpful to see if tracking him leads to any known connections.
The naming pattern of Mary E/Mary Ellen is also of interest...dau Anna Theresa's, 1st born dau is Mary Ellen as well..
Wonder how the Scotland bit gets worked into things???
Lot's to work on. Thanks, again!
lissa
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First, father Michael Lynch born in Scotland... he could have been born in Scotland or person giving information on death certificate thought he was born in Scotland.
Anna/Johannah/Hannah and Hanora/Anna/Nora are often interchangeable. Quite possibly midddle name Theresa wasn't put on children's birth certificates. The list from IGI includes several children born before start of civil registration in 1864. You will probably need to find church records to see if baptisms are listed as well as any other children not listed on IGI.
Do you have an age/birthdate for daughter Anna Theresa (from death certificate, census records, etc.?). She could perhaps be the Hannah born c1860 but you need to do a bit more digging yet.
Looks like Honora (Barry) Welsh could be the New Zealand branch.
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All you say could be true and I've been mulling what I knew (or think I know!) for months before finally making this posting.
Dau Anna's birth date, immigration date on census is inconsistent and often she seems to mimic her husbands data. He often forgot his stats too!! Though I do have very good verifications on his story and corroboration from family of his siblings.
It seems dau Anna may have immigrated at a very young age and married fairly young as well ...maybe she lied about her age early on to make herself older, and got confused as she grew older. It is likely somewhere between 1860 - 1863. Her husband (b. 1863) is single on the 1880 census so they married btwn 1880 and 1883. Their 1st child is born early in 1883,
Will now see if Anna jr can be found on passenger lists in the company of any of her possible siblings.
Anna jr. oldest dau gave the information for her grandmother Anna sr and her mother's (Anna jr) death certificate so maybe they were all confused!
In the US, the family was Episcopalian hoping this may help narrow the search for church records.
Lot's to do!!
Many thanks again for the leads you have provided.
lissa
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Will now see if Anna jr can be found on passenger lists in the company of any of her possible siblings.
In the US, the family was Episcopalian hoping this may help narrow the search for church records.
Early passenger lists will probably just say they came from 'Ireland' & list an age (often incorrect).
First impression of names- Theresa, Michael, Hanora, Johanna, Gerald, etc.- is that the family might have been Catholic in Ireland.
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Hi,I am Honora (Barry) and Edward Walshs Ggrand son,a New Zealander living in Co Limerick Ireland,grandson of Thomas and Veronica Walsh.If you need any help feel free to contact me,has any of our other Kiwi branch been in touch?A pleasant surprise to see this post.regards KGW
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Hello KGW !! Thrilled (and surprised!) to hear from you and welcome to Rootschat, also!! Have you been doing family research long and just happened on to this site?? Did my posting show up in a Google search ??
Apologizes for the delayed reply, I was away and only just returned to find this post. One of my New Year's resolutions was to attempt to research the NZ connection to my Anna Theresa Berry --- but I had no clue how or where to begin!
I still know very little (actually nothing!) about Anna Lynch Berry -- pretty much stuck at the brick wall with the information I originally posted in October, 2007. Did Anna ever visit her children in NZ?? Or did they return to Ireland ?? Did she correspond regularly --- hmmm, I assuming she was literate ?? Do you know of her other children remaining in Ireland ?? Did they ever live in Scotland ??
I only became aware of Anna when I discovered her grave along side her daughter's (Anna Moran) and then found her death cert and the passenger record!! She does not show on the 1910 US census for some reason.
Correction on my original post -- Anna (with her son John as an escort) came to the US (Kansas City) in 1909 (not 1911 -- my typo!) on the "Carmania". John was listed on the passenger list as married and I assumed he returned to Ireland
Can't wait to hear back from you --- Darn for so many time zones between us! Will be anxiously awaiting to see if we really do have a connection.
On RC, you have to post publically 3 times (I think) before the PM (Private Messaging) system will work. Through PM's we can share information we don't want to post here which will end up on the internet. To PM, just click the PM "scroll" icon on the header of the left side of the posting or click on my name in the post header -- this will take you to the Profile screen and from there you can go to "Send This Rootschatter as Personal Message".
Hopefully :) your American cousin, lissa
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Hi Lissa
Did you know that the 1911 census for Kerry is now online and free to view - could this be your family? They are living in Charles St., Listowel.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002496230/
How exciting to have found a cousin through Rootschat! Good luck with your research
Jaylay
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Hi JayLay, Long time since we've spoken! How have your searches been going ???
Thank you so much for the 1911 Kerry Census. I did not know that Kerry was available -- I looked a while ago (can't remember when exactly) and didn't find it and hadn't checked back . Yes, that certainly could be the son John and his family. On the passenger manifest he lists his contact in Listowel as his wife "Mrs. K. Berry" so that could be Kate and with a dau Theresa and a son "Jack" as well...... there is another set of grandchildren in the US with the same names!
Yes!! it is so exciting to be finding out about the New Zealand connection and (at long last) more information about the Irish relatives. I had pretty much considered it a lost cause !!
Really appreciate your help with the Kerry census!!
lissa
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Hi Lissa,I just lost a reply to you darn,I think!!Any way to say again if the Barrys you posted are your family then we are cousins no doubt about that,its a long time since Pound Lane!Iwill try again to post this and one other to activate PM.Yes i found you on a google search,I was stunned.My Grandad Walsh spoke of your branch,he kept in touch with Minnie (Mary his mothers sister) until the early 60s,a copy of his last letter to her is in our possesion. More by PM,take care,kgw.
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:) Me Again!!!
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Hi KGW!!! I'm here!! I was playing around on the Kerry 1911 Census site!! Reply back to this and then maybe we can PM.
lissa
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KGW, just sent you a PM. Let me know if you have received it.
JayLay -- that 1911 Irish Census is a bit tricky!! I was trying to duplicate your findings (in order to learn) ... and did -- finally!!! but had to do it the "hard way". Just with" Kerry" and "Listowel" -- lucky thing it was a "B" name and got to Berry quickly! When I tried w/ more info got few hits and none were the right ones. Tks!
lissa
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Hi Lissa,I am getting the hang of this i think,pm to you done as test too.kgw
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I got you PM!! And have replied just a few mins ago. You're getting the hang of it just fine! It's very convenient because we are both in our relative "real time".
Did you open JayLay's 1911 census finding for John Berry in Listowel ?? I think this maybe the son that took Anna Sr. to join Anna Jr. in the US in 1909.
lissa
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Hi Lissa
Yes it's nice to be able to help you - you have been such a help to me with my US searches!
So glad you have made your connection with kgw - I really hope you can break down lots of brick walls together. The 1911 census is searchable by surname, as well as by county. You have probably got the hang of it by now, but if you go to the search page of the census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/
you will see what I mean. You can also read detailed info on what life was like in Kerry in 1911 on the National Archives website - very interesting and a bit of an eye-opener.
Jaylay
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HI JayLay, Yes I've been playing on the NA site. They do have some great info there on the life and times. Always amazing how a place so beautiful could have been at the same time so tragically difficult!
There is the possibility of another Berry son, Michael, in Listowel.....so have been looking into him in 1911 as well.
lissa
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Hi LissamNo I haven't checked the link yet,will do though.
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Aghadowey, don't know if you will see this thread or not in your moderator duties around the boards -- will send you a PM as well. Thought you would be pleased to know that the leads you provided in October, 2007 to this posting have born fruit!
I had very conservative expectations of making any informational progress much less living connections to the Berrys as I had so little solid information. As it turns out, KGW and I have confirmed our common heritage as descendants from Anna Lynch and John Berry. The IGI member submittals are verified as well.
Quite amazing, don't you think ??
Thank you again, Aghadowey!
lissa
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Lissa,See PM for info on ages,kgw
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And a big heartfelt thanks to the moderator as well,well done!!!
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Hi everyone I am looking up my family and my Gg grandfather was john Barry Listowel co kerry. Can I ask what everyone knows about his family I am happy to fill you all in on the info I have. Thanks john :) :)
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Hi, I am Honora (Barry) and Edward Walsh's Ggrandson, a New Zealander living in Co Limerick Ireland, grandson of Thomas and Veronica Walsh. If you need any help feel free to contact me,has any of our other Kiwi branch been in touch? A pleasant surprise to see this post. regards KGW
Kia Ora, KGW.
My husband Trevor W is also Edward and Honora's Gt grandson, via Edward Patrick. Got a bit of a surprise to see you pop up when I was searching under Walsh, Listowel. I have Edward's birth year as 1853, have you been able to find out an exact date? We visited Listowel, but it was a very busy day, horse racing, seen Walsh's TAB. Ballyheigue was amazing too. Every now and then we pop down to Michael's grave in Tongaporutu and do a tidy up.
Kind regards
Estelle W